WillPaharu.4837

> @"Arheundel.6451" said: > > @"WillPaharu.4837" said: > > > @"Ragnar.4257" said: > > > > @"WillPaharu.4837" said: > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > > > > most rangers will agree that kitten decap druid. > > > > > They should probably nerf ancient seed too because kitten that trait, then they can go ahead and nerf it again and again and THAN they can think about making druid a proper support instead of this pile of smelly cheese. > > > > > > > > > > P.S > > > > > reducing gs KB to 100 might be a buff, but in my personal opinon it just looks super silly, make it 150 or 200 please. > > > > > > > > > > PSS > > > > > srsl kitten decap druid with a stick. Sideways. > > > > > > > > Unfounded bias right here. Why there got to be so many haters for none competitive build/class. leave my druids alone! we are few! > > > > > > > > > > > > > you show one video of one fight in an organized team. show me druids taking over plat games, then you might have a point. > > Nothing you do or say will ever change the mind of people here, when I told you that any ranger nerf will be always welcome by this community....I wasn't kidding at all, people here are just using the word : balance as a front cover > > People at large hate this profession, even more when it does well and there is not a single build on ranger that will ever be consideed "skilled", never was and never will be... > > > > > we can just point and laugh at all the sad haters.

> @"Tharan.9085" said: > > @"WillPaharu.4837" said: > > Why would you nerf a build that is only ranked "good" (decap druid)? please refer to metabattle.com before nerfing anything. The only classes and builds that should be nerfed are the ones ranked "Meta". Meta means over powered. "Good" means it's not very effective unless played very well. Please undo the nerfs on Decap druid. It is the only druid build and one of the few ranger builds viable in conquest. > > > > Were people actually complaining about decap druid or something??? If so that is hilarious, feel free to ignore them. Play decap druid yourself and see how not overpowered it is. > > > > Again, please undo these nerfs to decap druid. Nerf Dragon hunters instead. > > > > Ideally there would be no meta builds. Just all good and great, so that it comes down to skill and knowing your class and role. When there are meta builds, people flock to them because they are easier to win with. Which is cheap. I digress, as there will always be meta builds I reckon. But pls leave the "good" builds alone. They aren't the imbalance. > > imagine thinking metabattle is a good source for anything yah lets just pretend they don't have all the current meta builds. okay.

> @"FrownyClown.8402" said: > Decap druid allows bad players to think theyre good. Hence this entire post. bias much. unfounded as can be.

> @"Ragnar.4257" said: > > @"WillPaharu.4837" said: > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > > most rangers will agree that kitten decap druid. > > > They should probably nerf ancient seed too because kitten that trait, then they can go ahead and nerf it again and again and THAN they can think about making druid a proper support instead of this pile of smelly cheese. > > > > > > P.S > > > reducing gs KB to 100 might be a buff, but in my personal opinon it just looks super silly, make it 150 or 200 please. > > > > > > PSS > > > srsl kitten decap druid with a stick. Sideways. > > > > Unfounded bias right here. Why there got to be so many haters for none competitive build/class. leave my druids alone! we are few! > > > you show one video of one fight in an organized team. show me druids taking over plat games, then you might have a point.

by being outplayed as druid against every class. It's not exceptional. I haven't seen druid be > @"Ragnar.4257" said: > > @"WillPaharu.4837" said: > > > @"Sigmoid.7082" said: > > > So the crux of your argument is the build, based on metabattle, isn't strictly meta therefore shouldn't be nerfed / can in no way can be a problem or threat? > > > > > > ... > > > > > > You must be new here. > > > Loads of stuff in that category has been changed in the past. > > > > I don't care about how often it's done, I don't see the logic behind it. have you seen "good" builds in plat games? the crux of my argument is they aren't even remotely meta. have you even seen a decap druid in high ranked games? have you seen a druid in a team that has won monthly ATs? The build is not that effective compared to broken builds. Dragon hunter and rev short bow should be the priority. The nerfs weren't that bad, but I maintain that they were uncalled for and bottom priority. > > I haven't seen druid in At's in so long. So that was refreshing. I feel like druid finally has a somewhat valid build again and i don't want it to be destroyed by people who just hate bunkers. ppl just can't stand different styles of gameplay. if you boil it down it's, whack an enemy to death, condition them to death, or just survive. And I think that's nice. three is a good number. If a build, including a bunker build, is broken and can just 1v3 all day and still hold a point then that needs to die. but there are no builds like that now. We in a good place. Druid not even close to the most competitive class right now though. that's why you don't see them like ever in plat games. DH and Rev are waaaay stronger. So I was salty when I felt attacked. but the nerfs aren't actually that bad.

> @"Kachros.4751" said: > > @"WillPaharu.4837" said: > > > @"Sigmoid.7082" said: > > > So the crux of your argument is the build, based on metabattle, isn't strictly meta therefore shouldn't be nerfed / can in no way can be a problem or threat? > > > > > > ... > > > > > > You must be new here. > > > Loads of stuff in that category has been changed in the past. > > > > I don't care about how often it's done, I don't see the logic behind it. have you seen "good" builds in plat games? the crux of my argument is they aren't even remotely meta. have you even seen a decap druid in high ranked games? have you seen a druid in a team that has won monthly ATs? The build is not that effective compared to broken builds. Dragon hunter and rev short bow should be the priority. The nerfs weren't that bad, but I maintain that they were uncalled for and bottom priority. > > Your logic here is flawed, very flawed, just because something is meta does not make it "fine" for pvp, to clarify Fraelin played decap druid and won the last mAT, that alone is misinformation on your part, lets say for example some of the "meta" builds get nerfed, guess whats gonna happen. Yeah, decap druid would be good again, they are providing nerfs for future issues as well as issues at hand, its a good choice which we have needed for a long time. I think you're confusing things I said, jumbling them here. Particualrly this sentence confuses me: jsut because something is meta does not make it "fine" for pvp. And yes, that is news to me. I just know i don't see..ANY push druid in plat games haha. It's all just the meta and great builds ( DH, Rev).

> @"ButterPeanut.9746" said: > Here are the problems with the arguments being made. > 1) It assumes metabattle is a source of truth for what is strong and therefore deserves nerfs. This is a false assumption to make as many others have already described. > 2) It assumes that the only reason you nerf skills is due to it being meta. This is also a false assumption to make. For instance, decap builds could very well just be nerfed because they are insanely unfun to play against, regardless of their effectiveness. Effectiveness of a build is not the only reason to buff/nerf something. I don't think any one has been able to say that the builds listed as meta on metabattle aren't meta....cuz they are. So yes, it's a source of truth. Taking the nerfes as a target to decap druid, I feel the changes were completely unnecessary and low priority. We can all agree that DH and Rev needed more nerfing. However the changes to GS aren't bad any way. I've gotten over it hhaaha XD it was actually a buff if you wanna do damage. I still wish they did something more productive so there would be more variety in plat games, but meh.

> @"Kachros.4751" said: > > @"WillPaharu.4837" said: > > > @"Kachros.4751" said: > > > > @"WillPaharu.4837" said: > > > > Why would you nerf a build that is only ranked "good" (decap druid)? please refer to metabattle.com before nerfing anything. The only classes and builds that should be nerfed are the ones ranked "Meta". Meta means over powered. "Good" means it's not very effective unless played very well. Please undo the nerfs on Decap druid. It is the only druid build and one of the few ranger builds viable in conquest. > > > > > > > > Were people actually complaining about decap druid or something??? If so that is hilarious, feel free to ignore them. Play decap druid yourself and see how not overpowered it is. > > > > > > > > Again, please undo these nerfs to decap druid. Nerf Dragon hunters instead. > > > > > > > > Ideally there would be no meta builds. Just all good and great, so that it comes down to skill and knowing your class and role. When there are meta builds, people flock to them because they are easier to win with. Which is cheap. I digress, as there will always be meta builds I reckon. But pls leave the "good" builds alone. They aren't the imbalance. > > > > > > This is absurdly insane that you believe decap druid is fine for pvp. It produces insanely brain afk gameplay and very little counterplay unless you play full power warrior or rev for example. Anyone can play druid and get really good value with the most basic knowledge of it, if you believe that ANYONE, no matter how good or bad they are should be allowed to get value with a low skillcap build i believe you may need to change your view on pvp. > > > > decap druid isn't easy. I sense you haven't tried playing it. It's no weaver, but it's not walk in the park. you can easily waste your knockbacks anand misplay, get killed or waste your time, render yourself useless. > > Ive played it numerous times vs both good and bad players, you have 3 knockbacks in about 8 seconds (with quickdraw), if you use even 1 IQ you bait enemy dodge and its easy, it takes next to 0 effort to keep a node decapped, the only scenario in which its not easy is if you vs a hard counter for it, being renegade or warrior. In terms of gameplay weaver is actually harder as you only need to know 3 things for druid, in terms of surviving druid is harder as it has very little counter pressure due to its very low damage, however that doesnt stop the gameplay being so brain afk. Supporting builds like this which do 0 damage, just provide insane value for little effort (especially in ranked and lower levels) is what makes pvp so bad right now, its a bunker/decap metas that get complained about the most and for good reason, keeping builds like this viable makes pvp overall worse and targeting them for nerfs is a good choice, there are some players who wish to keep builds like these as it can be personal preference but the fact remains that its not healthy for pvp. I disagree. From wher ei stand, if a build is different people want to complain about it as if it's some trolly thing. So what if you can't kill your opponent easily in a 1v1 even though they don't do much damage? I think bunker builds add variety and can be countered easily by a simple plus one. And if you were playing braindead, you wouldn't be baiting dodges. Again, just because it's not super complicated doesn't mean it requires no skill. people who complain about bunker builds are welcome to their opinion but unless a build can handle a 1v2 or 1v3 situation without loosing the point, it's not broken. If you don't wanna 1v1 them, then call for a plus one or come back with friends or just cap the rest of the map. Bunker builds are a valid form of gameplay. I've lost many 1v1's simply by being outplayed as druid against every class. It's not exceptional. Stronger classes needed the nerfs.

> @"WillPaharu.4837" said: > > @"Ragnar.4257" said: > > > @"WillPaharu.4837" said: > > > > @"Sigmoid.7082" said: > > > > So the crux of your argument is the build, based on metabattle, isn't strictly meta therefore shouldn't be nerfed / can in no way can be a problem or threat? > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > You must be new here. > > > > Loads of stuff in that category has been changed in the past. > > > > > > I don't care about how often it's done, I don't see the logic behind it. have you seen "good" builds in plat games? the crux of my argument is they aren't even remotely meta. have you even seen a decap druid in high ranked games? have you seen a druid in a team that has won monthly ATs? The build is not that effective compared to broken builds. Dragon hunter and rev short bow should be the priority. The nerfs weren't that bad, but I maintain that they were uncalled for and bottom priority. > > > > > > not gunna lie that was incredibly satisfying haha. > @"Kachros.4751" said: > > > @"WillPaharu.4837" said: > > > > @"Kachros.4751" said: > > > > > @"WillPaharu.4837" said: > > > > > Why would you nerf a build that is only ranked "good" (decap druid)? please refer to metabattle.com before nerfing anything. The only classes and builds that should be nerfed are the ones ranked "Meta". Meta means over powered. "Good" means it's not very effective unless played very well. Please undo the nerfs on Decap druid. It is the only druid build and one of the few ranger builds viable in conquest. > > > > > > > > > > Were people actually complaining about decap druid or something??? If so that is hilarious, feel free to ignore them. Play decap druid yourself and see how not overpowered it is. > > > > > > > > > > Again, please undo these nerfs to decap druid. Nerf Dragon hunters instead. > > > > > > > > > > Ideally there would be no meta builds. Just all good and great, so that it comes down to skill and knowing your class and role. When there are meta builds, people flock to them because they are easier to win with. Which is cheap. I digress, as there will always be meta builds I reckon. But pls leave the "good" builds alone. They aren't the imbalance. > > > > > > > > This is absurdly insane that you believe decap druid is fine for pvp. It produces insanely brain afk gameplay and very little counterplay unless you play full power warrior or rev for example. Anyone can play druid and get really good value with the most basic knowledge of it, if you believe that ANYONE, no matter how good or bad they are should be allowed to get value with a low skillcap build i believe you may need to change your view on pvp. > > > > > > decap druid isn't easy. I sense you haven't tried playing it. It's no weaver, but it's not walk in the park. you can easily waste your knockbacks anand misplay, get killed or waste your time, render yourself useless. > > > > Ive played it numerous times vs both good and bad players, you have 3 knockbacks in about 8 seconds (with quickdraw), if you use even 1 IQ you bait enemy dodge and its easy, it takes next to 0 effort to keep a node decapped, the only scenario in which its not easy is if you vs a hard counter for it, being renegade or warrior. In terms of gameplay weaver is actually harder as you only need to know 3 things for druid, in terms of surviving druid is harder as it has very little counter pressure due to its very low damage, however that doesnt stop the gameplay being so brain afk. Supporting builds like this which do 0 damage, just provide insane value for little effort (especially in ranked and lower levels) is what makes pvp so bad right now, its a bunker/decap metas that get complained about the most and for good reason, keeping builds like this viable makes pvp overall worse and targeting them for nerfs is a good choice, there are some players who wish to keep builds like these as it can be personal preference but the fact remains that its not healthy for pvp. > > I disagree. I think bunker builds add variety and can be countered easily by a simple plus one and are therefore not a big threat. And if you were playing braindead, you wouldn't be baiting dodges. Against, just because it's not super complicated doesn't mean it requires no skill. people who complain about bunker builds are welcome to their opinion but unless a build can handle a 2v1 or 3v1 situation, it's not broken. just because you can't kill the person you are 1v1ing doesn't mean their build must be a monkey one. I've lost many 1v1's simply by being outplayed as druid against every class. It's not exceptional. srry wrong thing haha

> @"Ragnar.4257" said: > > @"WillPaharu.4837" said: > > > @"Sigmoid.7082" said: > > > So the crux of your argument is the build, based on metabattle, isn't strictly meta therefore shouldn't be nerfed / can in no way can be a problem or threat? > > > > > > ... > > > > > > You must be new here. > > > Loads of stuff in that category has been changed in the past. > > > > I don't care about how often it's done, I don't see the logic behind it. have you seen "good" builds in plat games? the crux of my argument is they aren't even remotely meta. have you even seen a decap druid in high ranked games? have you seen a druid in a team that has won monthly ATs? The build is not that effective compared to broken builds. Dragon hunter and rev short bow should be the priority. The nerfs weren't that bad, but I maintain that they were uncalled for and bottom priority. > > not gunna lie that was incredibly satisfying haha. > @"Kachros.4751" said: > > @"WillPaharu.4837" said: > > > @"Kachros.4751" said: > > > > @"WillPaharu.4837" said: > > > > Why would you nerf a build that is only ranked "good" (decap druid)? please refer to metabattle.com before nerfing anything. The only classes and builds that should be nerfed are the ones ranked "Meta". Meta means over powered. "Good" means it's not very effective unless played very well. Please undo the nerfs on Decap druid. It is the only druid build and one of the few ranger builds viable in conquest. > > > > > > > > Were people actually complaining about decap druid or something??? If so that is hilarious, feel free to ignore them. Play decap druid yourself and see how not overpowered it is. > > > > > > > > Again, please undo these nerfs to decap druid. Nerf Dragon hunters instead. > > > > > > > > Ideally there would be no meta builds. Just all good and great, so that it comes down to skill and knowing your class and role. When there are meta builds, people flock to them because they are easier to win with. Which is cheap. I digress, as there will always be meta builds I reckon. But pls leave the "good" builds alone. They aren't the imbalance. > > > > > > This is absurdly insane that you believe decap druid is fine for pvp. It produces insanely brain afk gameplay and very little counterplay unless you play full power warrior or rev for example. Anyone can play druid and get really good value with the most basic knowledge of it, if you believe that ANYONE, no matter how good or bad they are should be allowed to get value with a low skillcap build i believe you may need to change your view on pvp. > > > > decap druid isn't easy. I sense you haven't tried playing it. It's no weaver, but it's not walk in the park. you can easily waste your knockbacks anand misplay, get killed or waste your time, render yourself useless. > > Ive played it numerous times vs both good and bad players, you have 3 knockbacks in about 8 seconds (with quickdraw), if you use even 1 IQ you bait enemy dodge and its easy, it takes next to 0 effort to keep a node decapped, the only scenario in which its not easy is if you vs a hard counter for it, being renegade or warrior. In terms of gameplay weaver is actually harder as you only need to know 3 things for druid, in terms of surviving druid is harder as it has very little counter pressure due to its very low damage, however that doesnt stop the gameplay being so brain afk. Supporting builds like this which do 0 damage, just provide insane value for little effort (especially in ranked and lower levels) is what makes pvp so bad right now, its a bunker/decap metas that get complained about the most and for good reason, keeping builds like this viable makes pvp overall worse and targeting them for nerfs is a good choice, there are some players who wish to keep builds like these as it can be personal preference but the fact remains that its not healthy for pvp. I disagree. I think bunker builds add variety and can be countered easily by a simple plus one and are therefore not a big threat. And if you were playing braindead, you wouldn't be baiting dodges. Against, just because it's not super complicated doesn't mean it requires no skill. people who complain about bunker builds are welcome to their opinion but unless a build can handle a 2v1 or 3v1 situation, it's not broken. just because you can't kill the person you are 1v1ing doesn't mean their build must be a monkey one. I've lost many 1v1's simply by being outplayed as druid against every class. It's not exceptional.

> @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > most rangers will agree that kitten decap druid. > They should probably nerf ancient seed too because kitten that trait, then they can go ahead and nerf it again and again and THAN they can think about making druid a proper support instead of this pile of smelly cheese. > > P.S > reducing gs KB to 100 might be a buff, but in my personal opinon it just looks super silly, make it 150 or 200 please. > > PSS > srsl kitten decap druid with a stick. Sideways. Unfounded bias right here. Why there got to be so many haters for none competitive build/class. leave my druids alone! we are few!

> @"TrollingDemigod.3041" said: > > @"KrHome.1920" said: > > > @"WillPaharu.4837" said: > > > > @"TrollingDemigod.3041" said: > > > > > @"WillPaharu.4837" said: > > > > > how is nerfing decap druid, which is hardly even competitive at all, counted as good? they did nothing to dragon hunter which is the most broken class right now > > > > > > > > Decap builds should be straight deleted, what's the point of the "capture the point" gamemode if you just get "denied", are you guys so scared to actually face your opponents in fight and need a cheese to hold your cookie? > > > > Also, stop using "but but but xyz is more broken than abc!" as an argument, it's really annoying. > > > > > > the more variety of gameplay styles, the richer the game. it's a bunker build where you have to hold out against your enemies for a long time. face them for a long time. not just button spam to delete them. it's a very valid addition to the game's varitey. anyways the adjustments aren't bad. people need to stop complaining about different gameplay options. that's really stupid and annoying. > > No it's not. If you care about surviving instead of fighting, then play a survival game. Effective bunkering destroys the mechanic of a capture point based game mode. > > I believe that bunkering is fine as long it's for 1v1 purposes and doesn't include some pepe pull/push/cc mechanic abuse. > It should hold 1v1 fairly long until ur friend comes and help, it shouldn't be able to constantly cc ur enemy out of circle in any way, it should be weak when enemy get assist from his teammates(1v2 situation). > The moment it's capable of holding it own against 1v2+ situation easily or being some pepe push/pull lover it should get nerf bat to the face immediately. > Assuming they're all "equally skilled", whatever that means in this day and time. that's like saying there should be no pulls or pushes in the game mode which is stupid and would be counterintuitive for a mode that requires you to capture and hold points. And if a druid is able to hold a 1v2 without leaving the point, it's the opponents that suck. If you do decent dps, a druid is going to have to kite in any outnumbered situation. This is not that build you are talking about that needs a bat to the face. I have seen some scrappers like that tho...and a holosmith actually hahaha. Again, druid was the bottom priority and yet they nerfed them.

> @"KrHome.1920" said: > > @"WillPaharu.4837" said: > > > @"TrollingDemigod.3041" said: > > > > @"WillPaharu.4837" said: > > > > how is nerfing decap druid, which is hardly even competitive at all, counted as good? they did nothing to dragon hunter which is the most broken class right now > > > > > > Decap builds should be straight deleted, what's the point of the "capture the point" gamemode if you just get "denied", are you guys so scared to actually face your opponents in fight and need a cheese to hold your cookie? > > > Also, stop using "but but but xyz is more broken than abc!" as an argument, it's really annoying. > > > > the more variety of gameplay styles, the richer the game. it's a bunker build where you have to hold out against your enemies for a long time. face them for a long time. not just button spam to delete them. it's a very valid addition to the game's varitey. anyways the adjustments aren't bad. people need to stop complaining about different gameplay options. that's really stupid and annoying. > No it's not. If you care about surviving instead of fighting, then play a survival game. Effective bunkering destroys the mechanic of a capture point based game mode. > @"KrHome.1920" said: > > @"WillPaharu.4837" said: > > > @"TrollingDemigod.3041" said: > > > > @"WillPaharu.4837" said: > > > > how is nerfing decap druid, which is hardly even competitive at all, counted as good? they did nothing to dragon hunter which is the most broken class right now > > > > > > Decap builds should be straight deleted, what's the point of the "capture the point" gamemode if you just get "denied", are you guys so scared to actually face your opponents in fight and need a cheese to hold your cookie? > > > Also, stop using "but but but xyz is more broken than abc!" as an argument, it's really annoying. > > > > the more variety of gameplay styles, the richer the game. it's a bunker build where you have to hold out against your enemies for a long time. face them for a long time. not just button spam to delete them. it's a very valid addition to the game's varitey. anyways the adjustments aren't bad. people need to stop complaining about different gameplay options. that's really stupid and annoying. > No it's not. If you care about surviving instead of fighting, then play a survival game. Effective bunkering destroys the mechanic of a capture point based game mode. Hacking would be destroying the mechanic of a capture point based game mode. Being able to hold a point only enforces the gameplay.

> @"Sigmoid.7082" said: > So the crux of your argument is the build, based on metabattle, isn't strictly meta therefore shouldn't be nerfed / can in no way can be a problem or threat? > > ... > > You must be new here. > Loads of stuff in that category has been changed in the past. I don't care about how often it's done, I don't see the logic behind it. have you seen "good" builds in plat games? the crux of my argument is they aren't even remotely meta. have you even seen a decap druid in high ranked games? have you seen a druid in a team that has won monthly ATs? The build is not that effective compared to broken builds. Dragon hunter and rev short bow should be the priority. The nerfs weren't that bad, but I maintain that they were uncalled for and bottom priority.

> @"Kachros.4751" said: > > @"WillPaharu.4837" said: > > Why would you nerf a build that is only ranked "good" (decap druid)? please refer to metabattle.com before nerfing anything. The only classes and builds that should be nerfed are the ones ranked "Meta". Meta means over powered. "Good" means it's not very effective unless played very well. Please undo the nerfs on Decap druid. It is the only druid build and one of the few ranger builds viable in conquest. > > > > Were people actually complaining about decap druid or something??? If so that is hilarious, feel free to ignore them. Play decap druid yourself and see how not overpowered it is. > > > > Again, please undo these nerfs to decap druid. Nerf Dragon hunters instead. > > > > Ideally there would be no meta builds. Just all good and great, so that it comes down to skill and knowing your class and role. When there are meta builds, people flock to them because they are easier to win with. Which is cheap. I digress, as there will always be meta builds I reckon. But pls leave the "good" builds alone. They aren't the imbalance. > > This is absurdly insane that you believe decap druid is fine for pvp. It produces insanely brain afk gameplay and very little counterplay unless you play full power warrior or rev for example. Anyone can play druid and get really good value with the most basic knowledge of it, if you believe that ANYONE, no matter how good or bad they are should be allowed to get value with a low skillcap build i believe you may need to change your view on pvp. decap druid isn't easy. I sense you haven't tried playing it. It's no weaver, but it's not walk in the park. you can easily waste your knockbacks anand misplay, get killed or waste your time, render yourself useless.