SeikeNz.3526

> @"maddoctor.2738" said:

> > @"SeikeNz.3526" said:

> > > @"maddoctor.2738" said:

> > > > @"SeikeNz.3526" said:

> > > > > @"maddoctor.2738" said:

> > > > > > @"SeikeNz.3526" said:

> > > > > > if you can't kill without him that means you can't carry and it's bad as him.

> > > > >

> > > > > So if a person can't carry is the same as another one afking. Being incompetent is the same as "not carrying". The wonderful things you read on video game forums.

> > > >

> > > > more amazing is saying that someone with bad dps is afk.

> > > > or dying for being bad and trying to search for an excuse

> > >

> > > Your exact words:

> > > > if you can't kill **without him** that means you can't carry and it's bad as him.

> > > That includes being afk doesn't it?

> > > And besides a player that does let's say 1k-2k damage is the same as being afk, as in not making any difference to the fight. Wasn't that your point anyway, talking about "carrying"? That some players aren't contributing anything to the team, being leeches, and you put them in the same position as players actively playing and trying their best, but maybe their best still isn't enough to beat the boss with a 1-man handicap.

> >

> > without him i mean he is dead, now if he is not dead and he is doing low damage, but you still can't kill you are bad as him because you would not need him if you could carry like you guys keep saying.

>

> Interesting. So let me get this straight, if I put my full nomad gear on my Guardian, get an "unkillable" build, go into a Fractal and hide in a corner from the boss, if the other 4 players fail to kill the boss they are as much to blame as me. Congratulations I guess, villainizing the victims. And even if a team can carry (because many teams CAN carry), does that make it an OK behavior for a player to exploit the rest of the team like that? When is the time and effort of a player going to be respected?

>

> > now if everyone died and he is still alive, he is more skilled and better than everyone on the party, deal with that.

>

> If everyone dies in team content except for one player, that doesn't make that player better. Check my example above on why being alive while others in your group are dead doesn't really mean anything. Also the rest of the players might've simply died because they were one player sort, the longer a boss survives, the more mechanics you have to deal with after all.

you keep implying the player is afk, low damage is being is not afk.

yep if go unkillable build and still be alive you are doing great ;), if your party died it's their fault, you can still kill it, just going to take time

no they also need to ban any 3party dps meter, any content in the game can be finished and completed without these rotations, people forcing them should be banned too for being toxic to others.

the game is not a dps check

people forcing dps check on pugs should be banned.

if you want dps and speed run you can make your static party.

this game turned into a madhouse with these dps meters and kp things, they aren't even logic, this is getting out of control, at least anet is doing something and changed KP things, next step will be banning dps meters

> @"Yellow Rainbow.6142" said:

> Cm + T4 no healer. There is your filter. Why all the fuss. Beside, I have not seen 1 lfg in NA without heal or hb in 4 years unless someone recruiting for static.

they don't do it without healer they are just trying to make fake arguments.

a healbrand doing perma max stacks of might and helping with other boons + heals, make the party do more damage than a party with 5 dps

> @"Nephalem.8921" said:

> > @"SeikeNz.3526" said:

> A skillful player does high dps while staying alive. Just staying alive is worthless on its own. Everytime i joined 50kp groups i ended outdamaging dps players as alac ren. Sometimes even ended as top dps.

> Some players might know how to play with no or close to no cm knowledge but those players usually played a lot of difficult content in other mmos before. The majority doesnt know how to burst, cc or dps. Not everyone enjoys 15min boss fights with so few phases. It is not a raidboss and doesnt have the mechanics to be enjoyable for that long and 5 minutes here and 3 minutes there add up quite fast. A decent group can clear the new frac in 5-6min already. Thats more than 6min saved compared to your average fiesta. Thats the difference between 35min daily fractal clears and 1h+ runs.

that's not what he said, he said that only one stayed alive 2k dps while the kp players died, so they are unskilled

> @"Fangoth.4503" said:

> > @"SeikeNz.3526" said:

> > > @"Fangoth.4503" said:

> > > > @"SeikeNz.3526" said:

> > > > > @"Nephalem.8921" said:

> > > > > > @"ArtSpace.7326" said:

> > > > > > From my experience, people with 250KP are pathetic. New fractal came out, we were trying to do CM for more than 4 hours! They could not sustain themselves, learn how to dodge etc. Most of them had fractal titles (champion, savant and even god). Since I have never played shattered CM and had no KPs, it was both a pleasure and disgust watching those people fail over and over again. Now I`m making my own groups with DwD requirement, which worked so far great. Usually, we kill on 1-2 attempts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, I`m a bit salty since I know I am better than most of those high KP people, but artificial gates prevents me from doing some of stuff (I came back to game long after shattered CM so I could not accumulate decent amount of KPs)

> > > > >

> > > > > From my experience, people with no prior cm knowledge have no idea how to burst, do 1-2k dps and then brag about being the last person alive even if the boss would take 30min with a party full of such players.

> > > > > Most high kp groups do the fractal already without any heal saving 5-6min compared to the average party. How do you filter out people that are not used to play without a dedicated healer?

> > > >

> > > > so you saying the guy that did 2k dps stayed alive while your KP players died and it's his fault? O - M - G

> > >

> > > I think he's more saying that there is no point bragging about being alive if you cannot do your job half descently.

> >

> > if you can't stay alive you are not doing any job

>

> you don't have to die if the dps is high enough to kill the boss before he hit you

that's not gonna happen, also does not change the fact that 2k dps player is more skillfull if he can stay alive

> @"Fangoth.4503" said:

> > @"SeikeNz.3526" said:

> > > @"Nephalem.8921" said:

> > > > @"ArtSpace.7326" said:

> > > > From my experience, people with 250KP are pathetic. New fractal came out, we were trying to do CM for more than 4 hours! They could not sustain themselves, learn how to dodge etc. Most of them had fractal titles (champion, savant and even god). Since I have never played shattered CM and had no KPs, it was both a pleasure and disgust watching those people fail over and over again. Now I`m making my own groups with DwD requirement, which worked so far great. Usually, we kill on 1-2 attempts.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, I`m a bit salty since I know I am better than most of those high KP people, but artificial gates prevents me from doing some of stuff (I came back to game long after shattered CM so I could not accumulate decent amount of KPs)

> > >

> > > From my experience, people with no prior cm knowledge have no idea how to burst, do 1-2k dps and then brag about being the last person alive even if the boss would take 30min with a party full of such players.

> > > Most high kp groups do the fractal already without any heal saving 5-6min compared to the average party. How do you filter out people that are not used to play without a dedicated healer?

> >

> > so you saying the guy that did 2k dps stayed alive while your KP players died and it's his fault? O - M - G

>

> I think he's more saying that there is no point bragging about being alive if you cannot do your job half descently.

if you can't stay alive you are not doing any job

> @"Nephalem.8921" said:

> > @"ArtSpace.7326" said:

> > From my experience, people with 250KP are pathetic. New fractal came out, we were trying to do CM for more than 4 hours! They could not sustain themselves, learn how to dodge etc. Most of them had fractal titles (champion, savant and even god). Since I have never played shattered CM and had no KPs, it was both a pleasure and disgust watching those people fail over and over again. Now I`m making my own groups with DwD requirement, which worked so far great. Usually, we kill on 1-2 attempts.

> >

> > Yes, I`m a bit salty since I know I am better than most of those high KP people, but artificial gates prevents me from doing some of stuff (I came back to game long after shattered CM so I could not accumulate decent amount of KPs)

>

> From my experience, people with no prior cm knowledge have no idea how to burst, do 1-2k dps and then brag about being the last person alive even if the boss would take 30min with a party full of such players.

> Most high kp groups do the fractal already without any heal saving 5-6min compared to the average party. How do you filter out people that are not used to play without a dedicated healer?

so you saying the guy that did 2k dps stayed alive while your KP players died and it's his fault? O - M - G

this forum is plato's cave in a nut shell, rofl

> @"Joraan Adenard.2061" said:

> > @"SeikeNz.3526" said:

> > > @"Friday.7864" said:

> > > > @"SeikeNz.3526" said:

> > > > KP don't make you skilled, just means you did it more times.

> > > >

> > > > like in esports, you can play 1kk games and still be low elo because you are unskilled

> > >

> > > This isn't esports, you are not playing against unpredictable humans.

> > > You are trying to clear the same, static, unchanging content every time you enter.

> > > My cat walking on the keyboard would stay as bad as it was when it started doing CM runs, not a human.

> >

> > so if the content don't change, how you can say that someone with 1-50kp is bad and 300+ kp is good? if he can finish it one time that means he is good enough, grinding the content don't give player skills

>

> So, whenever you do something in real life, as soon as you're able to complete/finish, you cant ever get better ? Even when practicing many more hours, you wont ever get faster ? Or be more precise and get better results ? Of course you can become better.

>

> The same applies in game. If you can complete the content, that's a great starting point. But repeating it more times will make you faster. Mistakes will happen less. You'll be more comfortable. Complete the content 100-200 times ? You're getting close to completing it flawlessly. That's the difference between 1-10kp, 50kp and 300kp. Is that a flawless system ? No. Does repeating the content guarantees progress ? Neither. But you'll never convince anyone saying that playing more doesnt make you more skillful.

there's always a limit to get better, after you master it you don't, if you keep doing the same thing on the learning process you don't get better, but the learning process on the game is finishing it, so finishing it 50 times or 300 times it's all the same, BECAUSE LIKE HE SAID THE CONTENT IS STATIC "You are trying to clear the same, static, unchanging content every time you enter. " there's nothing new to learn there, so 50 to 300 is all grinding.

also asking for KP of 1 content to another completely different content just prove alot of things on KP PLAYERS that i can't say there.

> @"Friday.7864" said:

> > @"SeikeNz.3526" said:

> > KP don't make you skilled, just means you did it more times.

> >

> > like in esports, you can play 1kk games and still be low elo because you are unskilled

>

> This isn't esports, you are not playing against unpredictable humans.

> You are trying to clear the same, static, unchanging content every time you enter.

> My cat walking on the keyboard would stay as bad as it was when it started doing CM runs, not a human.

so if the content don't change, how you can say that someone with 1-50kp is bad and 300+ kp is good? if he can finish it one time that means he is good enough, grinding the content don't give player skills

> @"Fir.7932" said:

> > @"SeikeNz.3526" said:

> > anet is doing a great job, the next step is banning arcdps

>

> I understand that you don't wanna play with

> people you call "elitists" and "elitists" don't wanna do clears with people they call "casuals" that's why we use things like "kp". I mean, casuals are just people who want things done and elitists are also just people who dont mind if things take longer as long as they improve their performance and their class mastery.. Forcing these 2 groups together could end up in toxicity and frustration because none of these groups will be capable of doing what they enjoy doing.

the so called elitists are the true casuals, why? because they need the perfect run, an easy run, they can't deal with a harder one because they can't kill, so they make KP partys to do it easy, so in the end they are the casual players.

KP don't make you skilled, just means you did it more times.

like in esports, you can play 1kk games and still be low elo because you are unskilled

anet is doing a great job, the next step is banning arcdps

gw2 is just bad optimized, ESO has way better graphics and work on consoles

just do as i do, make your own party, normally i play as healer, but sometimes i go as dps.

if someone talk about bad dps of someone - kick

if someone talk about meta - kick

if someone trash talk someone on party - kick

if someone say: no alac ren? - kick

you don't need anything to finish it, just 1 healer and 3 dps that know mechanics and they can do 5k/s dps

t4 is easy you could do it with greens if they had agony resistance, brainwashed metaplayers need to learn their place, they want you to think the content is hard because they are low skilled, so they need the perfect party.

you can play as you want, just don't auto atk and try doing mechanics.

> @"AliamRationem.5172" said:

> > @"SeikeNz.3526" said:

> > > @"Laila Lightness.8742" said:

> > > > @"SeikeNz.3526" said:

> > > > what i learned from all this:

> > > >

> > > > being elitist and calling people newbies without basic game knowledge, oh but my dps.

> > > >

> > > > kicking people because "don't follow my meta and dps" is ok, being kicked for trash talk on chat is not and it's toxic, ban needed.

> > > >

> > > > when without arguments do personal attacks and call for ban.

> > > >

> > > > if you dare to go against meta you are auto- bad and refuse to learn, also a leecher getting carried by dps gods since they can solo group contents with their dps.

> > > >

> > > > you know everything about the game and every encounter mechanics, if you do good dps with copy paste build.

> > > >

> > > > so many laughs .

> > > >

> > > > btw: i will keep kicking bad players who dare to say the word dps on the party chat, guess what it's not against the rules

> > > >

> > >

> > > Then i shall finally join with auto attack lb core bearbow ranger oh wait its meta open world so its automaticly elitist evil, minionmancher and turret engi aswell so you have kick those as they are meta but you can kick ppl not having asc with ar in t4 like me its toxic

> >

> > being meta is not evil, is not bad. forcing people play your meta is.

> > joining a party just to do auto atks is leeching, joining a party and playing with any build, but trying, doing your rotation even if it's a bad dps is not leeching.

> > asking for good dps on boss with a rage timer, is ok and understandable, asking for good dps on boss without it is not.

> >

>

> Based on this logic, whether or not an individual is "leeching" is based on whether or not they cause the group to fail. So, I guess just make sure if you're going to leech you choose groups that are good enough to carry you! And if they aren't good enough to carry you, make sure you call them toxic and kick them from the group when they mention your performance as an issue.

no that's not the logic, that's called ad hominem, try harder.

> @"mindcircus.1506" said:

> > @"SeikeNz.3526" said:

> > btw: i will keep kicking bad players who dare to say the word dps on the party chat, guess what it's not against the rules

> Without the numbers showing their actual performance how do you know they are bad?

if someone say on chat that party failed because of the dps you already know he is bad, simple as that, the party always fail because of failed mechanics, the only way to fail because of bad dps would be with a timer to kill it.

if someone say on the chat the dps is bad and trash talk to someone change build is auto kick for being bad.

you don't need arcdps to see if someone is auto atking a.k.a leeching

you don't need arcdps to see if someone keep dying because he can't do mechanics.

you don't need arcdps if the healer is not healing enough.

you don't need the best dps on bosses without a timer.

you only need numbers to see performance if you want to speed run not to clear the content, you can't force people to speed run contents.

arcdps is not being used to self improvement, people are using it to keep checking others as a harassment tool, trying to force speed runs and saying if don't do the "meta" you can't clear the content what is the biggest lie ever.

if you do more dps than someone don't make you good, you are not carring, unless you can solo it.

> @"Laila Lightness.8742" said:

> > @"SeikeNz.3526" said:

> > > @"Laila Lightness.8742" said:

> > > > @"SeikeNz.3526" said:

> > > > what i learned from all this:

> > > >

> > > > being elitist and calling people newbies without basic game knowledge, oh but my dps.

> > > >

> > > > kicking people because "don't follow my meta and dps" is ok, being kicked for trash talk on chat is not and it's toxic, ban needed.

> > > >

> > > > when without arguments do personal attacks and call for ban.

> > > >

> > > > if you dare to go against meta you are auto- bad and refuse to learn, also a leecher getting carried by dps gods since they can solo group contents with their dps.

> > > >

> > > > you know everything about the game and every encounter mechanics, if you do good dps with copy paste build.

> > > >

> > > > so many laughs .

> > > >

> > > > btw: i will keep kicking bad players who dare to say the word dps on the party chat, guess what it's not against the rules

> > > >

> > >

> > > Then i shall finally join with auto attack lb core bearbow ranger oh wait its meta open world so its automaticly elitist evil, minionmancher and turret engi aswell so you have kick those as they are meta but you can kick ppl not having asc with ar in t4 like me its toxic

> >

> > being meta is not evil, is not bad. forcing people play your meta is.

> > joining a party just to do auto atks is leeching, joining a party and playing with any build, but trying, doing your rotation even if it's a bad dps is not leeching.

> > asking for good dps on boss with a rage timer, is ok and understandable, asking for good dps on boss without it is not.

> >

>

> But if its my way to play so do you have right to force your way on me or kick me for i do what i want to what if my favorite build is auto only. Your own words used for without arc you wouldnt known i would leeched. But i do also think anet should make a squad dps tool with all arcs functions. I dont consider arc needed in t4s as most builds works there

oh rly? you don't need arc dps to see if someone is auto atking or using skills, unless you don't have basic game knowledge.

> @"Laila Lightness.8742" said:

> > @"SeikeNz.3526" said:

> > what i learned from all this:

> >

> > being elitist and calling people newbies without basic game knowledge, oh but my dps.

> >

> > kicking people because "don't follow my meta and dps" is ok, being kicked for trash talk on chat is not and it's toxic, ban needed.

> >

> > when without arguments do personal attacks and call for ban.

> >

> > if you dare to go against meta you are auto- bad and refuse to learn, also a leecher getting carried by dps gods since they can solo group contents with their dps.

> >

> > you know everything about the game and every encounter mechanics, if you do good dps with copy paste build.

> >

> > so many laughs .

> >

> > btw: i will keep kicking bad players who dare to say the word dps on the party chat, guess what it's not against the rules

> >

>

> Then i shall finally join with auto attack lb core bearbow ranger oh wait its meta open world so its automaticly elitist evil, minionmancher and turret engi aswell so you have kick those as they are meta but you can kick ppl not having asc with ar in t4 like me its toxic

being meta is not evil, is not bad. forcing people play your meta is.

joining a party just to do auto atks is leeching, joining a party and playing with any build, but trying, doing your rotation even if it's a bad dps is not leeching.

asking for good dps on boss with a rage timer, is ok and understandable, asking for good dps on boss without it is not.

what i learned from all this:

being elitist and calling people newbies without basic game knowledge, oh but my dps.

kicking people because "don't follow my meta and dps" is ok, being kicked for trash talk on chat is not and it's toxic, ban needed.

when without arguments do personal attacks and call for ban.

if you dare to go against meta you are auto- bad and refuse to learn, also a leecher getting carried by dps gods since they can solo group contents with their dps.

you know everything about the game and every encounter mechanics, if you do good dps with copy paste build.

so many laughs .

btw: i will keep kicking bad players who dare to say the word dps on the party chat, guess what it's not against the rules

> @"maddoctor.2738" said:

> > @"SeikeNz.3526" said:

> > > @"Sinful Mustache.3589" said:

> > > > @"Hyrai.8720" said:

> > > > For example, said casuals love to descriminate good players because the only explanation how they got so good must be that they have no friends, no family, no real life, etc. /s

> > >

> > > Once after chill T4 dailies we did lower recommended frac dailies with some newb.

> > > He told us "we are bad and we must git gud" because we do every shortcut and skip trash instead of brave facetanking.

> > > Funny moments. But so far we are not toxic and didnt kick him for being a kittenbag.

> > > Just finish dailies, block him and forget

> >

> > also don't forget to bring 300g to pay the free golem

>

> You don't need to pay 300g to use the golem, it's entirely free

not for the skip mechanic masters with ultra dps

> @"Sinful Mustache.3589" said:

> The only weird thing about dps meters for me is that anet introduced some kind of it with training golem, but you must pay 300g to use it (if you dont have friends to tag up).

> 300g is insane cost for basic feature like training rotations

> @"Sinful Mustache.3589" said:

> > @"Hyrai.8720" said:

> > For example, said casuals love to descriminate good players because the only explanation how they got so good must be that they have no friends, no family, no real life, etc. /s

>

> Once after chill T4 dailies we did lower recommended frac dailies with some newb.

> He told us "we are bad and we must git gud" because we do every shortcut and skip trash instead of brave facetanking.

> Funny moments. But so far we are not toxic and didnt kick him for being a kittenbag.

> Just finish dailies, block him and forget

also don't forget to bring 300g to pay the free golem

> @"mindcircus.1506" said:

> > @"SeikeNz.3526" said:

> > > @"Laila Lightness.8742" said:

> > > > @"SeikeNz.3526" said:

> > > > > @"TrOtskY.5927" said:

> > > > > > @"Sir Alymer.3406" said:

> > > > > > > @"SeikeNz.3526" said:

> > > > > > > "**While playing Guild Wars 2, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the Game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, embarrass or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players. This includes posting insulting, offensive, or abusive comments about players, repeatedly sending unwanted messages, reporting players maliciously, attacking a player based on race, sexual orientation, religion, heritage, etc. Hate speech is not tolerated.**"

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > so people using arc dps to harass bad players is a bannable offense, it's insulting and offensive.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > "**You may not modify any part of the Guild Wars 2 client or server software. Also, you may not modify any part of the official Guild Wars 2 websites, other than the official Guild Wars 2 Wiki in accordance with its terms and conditions.**"

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > it's not an in game feature to see other people dps, even if it's not cheating it's used to harm people.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Using arcdps to check your own dps is a thing, now to check people dps just because they are doing 2k less dps than you and harassing them is another.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > so anet should follow the rules and start banning people using it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > **fun fact**: people say the game don't have trinity, it's worse than that, the game is all about dps and healers, anet made alot of prefix to items and people want just to force vipers/zerk/harrier.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i saw people harassing others on fractals just because they did "low dps" even if the fractal was done without a death and was easy, it should be a bannable offense.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let's take another look at that rule, why don't we?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *While playing Guild Wars 2, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the Game.*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A bit closer now.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the Game.*

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > This works both ways. Why should a group of 9 have to put up with 1 person who does not respect their time?

> > > >

> > > > nothing like picking texts out of context to read what you want, nice try

> > >

> > > So why not make anet remove abillity to kick or leave force ppl to do play with they got no matter

> >

> > that would be good, imagine the cryings on forum because they can't force their meta, forcing people learn mechanics instead of yelling my dps

> This post really displays a deep ignorance of the game and the people you are throwing shade on.

> Someone with good DPS has those numbers **because** they understand the mechanics of an encounter, not because they are ignoring them for a rotation.

like the guy who posted that need to pay 300g to train on the free golem, yeah...

but don't worry i will keep kicking bad players who dare to talk about dps on my party, at the last boss.

gw2 community in a nutshell

i love how people make assumptions if someone is against them, "he want to be carried", "your dps is too low", "You need to learn to play", "you refuse to learn",

i use arcdps to check my dps and im against it, because everyone that use it against other people are toxic and most of time the bad ones.

people go glass cannon to get more dps, because they can't do mechanics, so they need to kill it fast before they die, 90% of the times the dps chat talkers are the ones failling mechanics, not evading boss hits, making the party die to ress him and trash talking about how the dps is low and that's why it's failling.

one time a guy started trash talking about how my friend dps was too low, i was using it too, i don't know if his arcdps was bugged or what but my friend was doing more dps than him, we just kicked him without thinking.

what me and my friends do when someone talk about dps? we kick them at the last boss just like they deserve, i hope more people start doing this so we can get a better community.