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> @"ArlAlt.1630" said:
> > @"BadMed.3846" said:
> > > @"viquing.8254" said:
> > > > @"BadMed.3846" said:
> > > > > @"viquing.8254" said:
> > > > > @"Don Vega Van Kain.9842" :
> > > > > Don't worry, I konw the troll but I have plethora of time.
> > > > >
> > > > > > @"BadMed.3846" said:
> > > > > > > @"Don Vega Van Kain.9842" said:
> > > > > > > > @"viquing.8254" said:
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> > > > > > > Don't bother yourself with BadMed, he has a large part in the hate history of mirage (i already have some fights with him.....in the forum)
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> > > > > > > He says he haven't whine about mesmer, just give a look to everything he post ;)
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> > > > > > Why is it so hard for you Mesmer mains to accept a simple fact that you've been largely carried by a broken spec over the years. From one shot shatter to Condi spam bot; you've had your fair share of every possible broken build that requires no skill and even bots can easily master. C'mon, just accept the fact and stop pretending.
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> > > > > > Stating the fact is not whining.
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> > > > > Where are your proves fact ?
> > > > > Last time someone did the effort to play mesmer to highligh how op it was, it failed miserably. When will you put proves to your imagination ?
> > > > > Why it's so hard to share us proves of your facts like mesmers leaderboard representations, stream fight and other non-biased cry ?
> > > >
> > > > I said Mirage had been OP since the start of the game. The patch has landed and I support the changes fully. Is it still OP or not will be clear soon.
> > > >
> > > > I don't intend on proving anything to anyone. None of you mirage mains have ever proved anything. All I see is cries for more power creep and accessibility to broken builds.
> > > >
> > > > Let me be very clear:
> > > > The developers did very well in determining how to nerf mirage. Great work! No, I'm no expert but I trust the developers know more than me and most of you. I simply reject your calls for buffs and support the nerfs as they were necessary.
> > > >
> > > > You see, there's nothing here to prove. It's my opinion and I stick to it. Regardless of how much noise the other forces make!
> > > >
> > >
> > > 1) What you said based on your personnal experience mean nothing. Look at leaderboard, class representation, mAt representation. At best it was in the average since release in the all class context.
> > > 2) it's to the guys who came here throwing false facts to prove what he says, not to the opposite.
> > > 3) The developers just break every synergy, leaving dead traits and spec every nerf. They just go to the whine forum hype and what is said on twitch top stream when they interact with players here.
> > > 4) You don't just reject calls and support nerf as they were necessary, you just reject mesmer as a class and support nerf whatever it is.
> > > 5) You see, there's something to prove, you just haven't any data behind you and everytime we ask for thing more valuable instead of your opinion, we get wind.
> >
> > 1.) Majority of the posts here are based on personal experience. Some rare ones are based on statistics and solid evidence. As far as I know, there is no evidence requirement to post here.
> >
> > 2.) There are plenty of Mesmer broken build supporters here who want to voice their concerns about the patch. I simply want to say that I think otherwise. I don't care what others think, nor do I go and attack them for posting their thoughts here. Others often try to attack me, but that's fine. Doesn't bother me.
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> > 3.) The developers review how a class has been performing over time. Nerfs are implemented where needed.
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> > 4.) I only support Mirage nerfs actively. I'm not against other class nerfs by any means. Mirage has just been too broken so I like voicing my concerns around it.
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> > 5.) There's nothing to prove. These are opinions. Take em or leave em.
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> Read your own #1 point, then apply it to the other 4. Why should any of us take your word for it, given that you just stated majority of posts (yours included) are based on personal experience. The game is not balanced around Silver rank.
I appreciate the effort you put in to reading and understanding. The game won't be balanced around Plat either. The game needs to be balanced around the tier where majority of the playerbase is. Reason is quite simple - "Commercial Viability".
I'm sure you know where it is!
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> @"viquing.8254" said:
> > @"BadMed.3846" said:
> > > @"viquing.8254" said:
> > > @"Don Vega Van Kain.9842" :
> > > Don't worry, I konw the troll but I have plethora of time.
> > >
> > > > @"BadMed.3846" said:
> > > > > @"Don Vega Van Kain.9842" said:
> > > > > > @"viquing.8254" said:
> > > > > >
> > > > > Don't bother yourself with BadMed, he has a large part in the hate history of mirage (i already have some fights with him.....in the forum)
> > > > >
> > > > > He says he haven't whine about mesmer, just give a look to everything he post ;)
> > > >
> > > > Why is it so hard for you Mesmer mains to accept a simple fact that you've been largely carried by a broken spec over the years. From one shot shatter to Condi spam bot; you've had your fair share of every possible broken build that requires no skill and even bots can easily master. C'mon, just accept the fact and stop pretending.
> > > >
> > > > Stating the fact is not whining.
> > >
> > > Where are your proves fact ?
> > > Last time someone did the effort to play mesmer to highligh how op it was, it failed miserably. When will you put proves to your imagination ?
> > > Why it's so hard to share us proves of your facts like mesmers leaderboard representations, stream fight and other non-biased cry ?
> >
> > I said Mirage had been OP since the start of the game. The patch has landed and I support the changes fully. Is it still OP or not will be clear soon.
> >
> > I don't intend on proving anything to anyone. None of you mirage mains have ever proved anything. All I see is cries for more power creep and accessibility to broken builds.
> >
> > Let me be very clear:
> > The developers did very well in determining how to nerf mirage. Great work! No, I'm no expert but I trust the developers know more than me and most of you. I simply reject your calls for buffs and support the nerfs as they were necessary.
> >
> > You see, there's nothing here to prove. It's my opinion and I stick to it. Regardless of how much noise the other forces make!
> >
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> 1) What you said based on your personnal experience mean nothing. Look at leaderboard, class representation, mAt representation. At best it was in the average since release in the all class context.
> 2) it's to the guys who came here throwing false facts to prove what he says, not to the opposite.
> 3) The developers just break every synergy, leaving dead traits and spec every nerf. They just go to the whine forum hype and what is said on twitch top stream when they interact with players here.
> 4) You don't just reject calls and support nerf as they were necessary, you just reject mesmer as a class and support nerf whatever it is.
> 5) You see, there's something to prove, you just haven't any data behind you and everytime we ask for thing more valuable instead of your opinion, we get wind.
1.) Majority of the posts here are based on personal experience. Some rare ones are based on statistics and solid evidence. As far as I know, there is no evidence requirement to post here.
2.) There are plenty of Mesmer broken build supporters here who want to voice their concerns about the patch. I simply want to say that I think otherwise. I don't care what others think, nor do I go and attack them for posting their thoughts here. Others often try to attack me, but that's fine. Doesn't bother me.
3.) The developers review how a class has been performing over time. Nerfs are implemented where needed.
4.) I only support Mirage nerfs actively. I'm not against other class nerfs by any means. Mirage has just been too broken so I like voicing my concerns around it.
5.) There's nothing to prove. These are opinions. Take em or leave em.
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I said Mirage had been OP since the start of the game. The patch has landed and I support the changes fully. Is it still OP or not will be clear soon.
I don't intend on proving anything to anyone. None of you mirage mains have ever proved anything. All I see is cries for more power creep and accessibility to broken builds.
Let me be very clear:
The developers did very well in determining how to nerf mirage. Great work! No, I'm no expert but I trust the developers know more than me and most of you. I simply reject your calls for buffs and support the nerfs as they were necessary.
You see, there's nothing here to prove. It's my opinion and I stick to it. Regardless of how much noise the other forces make!
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> @"Odik.4587" said:
> > @"BadMed.3846" said:
> > > @"Daishi.6027" said:
> > > Mirage should not dodge less than the entire roster, plain and simple.
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> > > Mirrors are no excuse, and mirrors are a terrible mechanic that are more likely to screw you over. On top of being so limited that the only way mirages are even slightly able to keep up is with signet to supplement. If that is the sole reason to justify this that part of the kit should just be removed and replaced with something else. Either way you shouldn't require a trait, a utility, and play 4D chess with fickle clone positioning to barely get on par evasion to the rest of the class.
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> > > Anyone who simply says "mirage deserves to dodge less than the roster" is just biased and holds a grudge. OR are the same big brained morons who'd call mesmer OP even when it was replaceable in slot, and only taken for portal; in a time when it was abandoned by top players for thief.
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> > There wasn't much noise when thief got the elite with an extra dodge. Just a mechanic, you see. Similarly, it's perfectly OK that Mirage got one dodge taken away. Learn to play with the mechanics.
> > Anyone who thinks that mirage should have more than one dodge is just biased and wants to keep playing a broken class. We're moving towards achieving some balance. Learn to play.
> When someone soooooo biased as you calling others biased... thats especially amusing to see "LEARN TO PLAY" from a RANGER player that sit in SILVER-GOLD range. :joy: :joy: :joy:
> kitten, if I'd make f2p account and come to NA to fight you with my over 300 ping , I would still roll over you with your own class :joy:
And yet you fail to read the title and stick to the point. Your love for me is highly appreciated. But it might be best for you to learn to play than cry over reasonable balance.
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> @"Daishi.6027" said:
> Mirage should not dodge less than the entire roster, plain and simple.
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> Mirrors are no excuse, and mirrors are a terrible mechanic that are more likely to screw you over. On top of being so limited that the only way mirages are even slightly able to keep up is with signet to supplement. If that is the sole reason to justify this that part of the kit should just be removed and replaced with something else. Either way you shouldn't require a trait, a utility, and play 4D chess with fickle clone positioning to barely get on par evasion to the rest of the class.
>
> Anyone who simply says "mirage deserves to dodge less than the roster" is just biased and holds a grudge. OR are the same big brained morons who'd call mesmer OP even when it was replaceable in slot, and only taken for portal; in a time when it was abandoned by top players for thief.
There wasn't much noise when thief got the elite with an extra dodge. Just a mechanic, you see. Similarly, it's perfectly OK that Mirage got one dodge taken away. Learn to play with the mechanics.
Anyone who thinks that mirage should have more than one dodge is just biased and wants to keep playing a broken class. We're moving towards achieving some balance. Learn to play.
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> @"Lincolnbeard.1735" said:
> Quadox is right.
> Power mes damage is low now. Even if you spec 3offensive traitlines, all damage boosts your burst will not down from medium armor on. The only thing power had was burst since sustain is pitiful, now pfff.
Damage has been nerfed across the board. It was needed.
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Even now a mirage can be uncatchable in open world environment like WvW. That one dodge removal is perfectly fine. We do need stealth duration nerfs across the board though.
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@"Leonidrex.5649" I'm trying hard for bronze these days. IMO, silver is full of pros.
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It's still utterly broken and over powered. To put it simply.
Mirage cloak nerf was needed months ago. Still better than never.
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I'm starting to think that these bots are official NPCs introduced by the developers. Can't really think of any other reason why they're so freely out there.
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> @"otto.5684" said:
> Many the builds run it. So ya, very useful. And should be removed.
Let's remove the boons too then? The sole purpose of these runes is to counter boonfest. Are you implying we need to amplify boon effects?
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> @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> @"BadMed.3846" Being in majority is pointless and irrelevant.
> something is too strong when its too strong, not when vast majority ( bunch of low rank players that dont even know what the kitten they are doing ) say its too strong.
> If that was how you say, developers would just make straw poll and all the hardstuck silver plebs would vote what to nerf next.
> Thats why you have posts of people asking for nerfs, all the while playing with builds that have tools to counter things they whine about, but they dont know how. How can you expect people to know how to counter other classes if they dont even know the basics of their own class.
> And its MAJORITY even high ranking players are often clueless on their own class and how to push it to the limits. So how can you expect pve peeps that dodge becouse it looks cool to balance the game lol.
The "good" players are generally able to work around overpowered mechanics better than majority of the players from lower tiers. The developers still need to consider the opinion of majority of the playerbase to ensure game population is maintained.
I'd totally agree with you if GW2 was a truly competitive game. But, we know that it's not. It is a casual friendly MMO.
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> @"Master Ketsu.4569" said:
> > @"saerni.2584" said:
> > > @"Master Ketsu.4569" said:
> > > > @"saerni.2584" said:
> > > > > @"Master Ketsu.4569" said:
> > > > > The issue with removing runes/prefixes/sigils is all you are really doing is banishing the builds to WvW where they continue to be bad for the game.
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> > > > > What's really needed with condi builds is that too many condi abilities are either ridiculously easy to land / impossible to avoid, or are heavily carried by passives. A redesign-pass should be given to a lot of these skills to slow them down.
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> > > > > **How getting hit with a 6+ condi bomb should be:**
> > > > > 1 second minimum casting skill with an outstanding long animation, requires the weapon the skill is on to be traited for max effectiveness.
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> > > > > **How getting hit with a 6+ condi bomb currently is:**
> > > > > Get hit with an instant cast / low animation ability that does 1~3 condis + 2~4 additional condis from passive trait procs that have otherwise nothing to do with the ability that was just used.
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> > > > > And that's why condi builds are hated. It has nothing to do with DOT damage. It has nothing to do with balance. It has everything to do with the fact that the overwhelming majority of condi builds and the skills that carry them are ridiculously "monkey", requiring very little skill to play outside of spamming a rotation, and having little to no interaction when being played against.
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> > > > > Hell I remember condition skills back in GW1 HA/GvG. For a player to receive that many condis would require multiple skills with 1s+ casting time all being coordinated by multiple players focusing their target. Kind of sad how low the skill floor has fallen.
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> > > > Lol.
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> > > > “Condi builds don’t even trait their weapons or anything. They just do condi spikes magically with zero cast time abilities and spiking me down with no counter play.”
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> > > > My condi cleanse was nerfed recently and I still have no issues with condi automatically countering me. Most condi skills have obvious tells and can be avoided. Unless you have a specific complaint about a particular ability needing a tell or less condi application you are wasting everyone’s time.
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> > > > 90% of players run power and people still think it’s “too much” or “unfair.”
> > >
> > > Nice factually inaccurate strawman argument. 10/10. Would not take seriously again.
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> >
> > “What's really needed with condi builds is that too many condi abilities are either ridiculously easy to land / impossible to avoid, or are heavily carried by passives. A redesign-pass should be given to a lot of these skills to slow them down.”
> >
> > Start naming skills.
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> lol wut? Just what rating division are you playing in?
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> https://metabattle.com/wiki/Conquest
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> Every single condi build you see there relies on passive traits and sigils for free cover condis. Ever single build also has around 2~4 applications skills that are below 1/2 cast-animation time or instant cast. If you disagree, name one build that is being played that does not match this description. Spoilers: You can't.
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> Edit: Just checked your rating. Bro. You are in gold II. Learn the game a bit more before trying to dispute what is widely understood basic knowledge.
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Let me educate you on your statistical knowledge. Players above gold 2 don't really represent the majority of the playerbase in any way. Not trying to discredit their knowledge of the game; however, that's in no way "widely understood basic knowledge". Read it again and think if it makes any sense whatsoever.
Next time try to share your opinions without discrediting others based on their rank. I'm sure these forums are not meant for plat and above only. Take your elitism elsewhere please.
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Condi has always been lazy cheese in this game. Poorly designed and highly abused through the years. Over time most classes have had their share of Condi spamming metas.
The mechanic itself needs to be reworked completely. Condis should not deal any damage on their own even when traited.
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We're just going through stages of required nerfs. Mesmer brokenness comes to light further and further with every nerf. We must keep nerfiing the Mesmer until it gets balanced. It is perfectly OK.
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> @"Zephyra.4709" said:
> # Does this give power + precision? ?:trollface:
Is it rechargeable?
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> @"Crab Fear.1624" said:
> They should remove pugs from ranked and have it be team only.
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> Let pugs and 1-5 for unranked.
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> Forming or joining a team should be a requirement for ranked pvp.
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> Finding and needing a group is required throughout much of the game especially harder content.
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> The mistake with pvp was solo casual catering.
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> The same top dogs have been at the top throughout the ages, teams and duos are not holding you back.
Are you unable to compete in ATs? A team comp deserves a more competitive environment. Look harder and I'm sure you'll find it eventually.
Even if team queue was added back in, it's a rather dumb idea to remove solo queue.
What is "pug" in a PvP game? Do you even know what it stands for? You sound like a lost zergling from the dead mists (aka WvW).
Do you have any sense of the current population and how we got here? A team queue only requirement will leave the total playerbase of this game at an unplayable level. Good luck with over 1hr queues.
But I'm sure you'll be flying off like other fairweather players who supported duo queue earlier. They're nowhere to be seen now. They said "we want to play with our friends". They and their friends are mostly gone for good now.
Duo queue is not holding anyone back yet duo queue are capable of maintaining a 10:1 win loss ratio through a season? Duo queue is spoiling games both ways. Duos are either great or horrible. Rarely I've seen a close game with only one duo in it. Matchmaking is not capable of handling the imbalance.
Ranked is now nothing more than a rewarding unranked mode. Honestly, that's perfectly OK. ANET got us here as they chose to keep duo queue to let friends enjoy together. The casual attitude of many solo queuers is expected and should be acceptable.
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Horribly boring and poorly done up game move. I avoid it like plague.
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> @"Zephoid.4263" said:
`Most of the time you are in a 2v2, or 3v2 and a ranger comes along and 12k+ccs you from 1200 range, most likely downing you instantly. Much like DE from years ago, you have to keep an eye out and a dodge ready for them at all times. `
Just like we keep our nose out to sniff the mass invis Mesmer who's ready to unleash their full burst in the middle of a fight? What's wrong with ranger ding so with plenty of time for a player to realise and react?
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> @"Ovark.2514" said:
> > @"BadMed.3846" said:
> > > @"lightstalker.1498" said:
> > > Deep down. It is not really even deep down. Everyone is on here trying to get nerfs for their counters and buffs for their beloved. Classes are generally balance
> > Reading the title and these few lines was enough to stop reading further. You're just making pointless assumptions and implying that you know what everyone wants. Pretty useless wall of text.
> >
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> Careful. I contributed to a thread with that kind of sentiment and almost got banned for it. Don't anger the fascist regime.
I get your point. It's just that talking on behalf of "everyone" shouldn't be permitted on the forums to begin with. Players should talk about their opinions and possibly their friends'. There's no way anyone knows what everyone is doing. Even polls are false indicators as a vast majority of the playerbase doesn't even bother to look at the forums.
If players are calling for nerfs then that's what they'd like to see. It's ok if others disagree. Let's just leave it there.
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> @"lightstalker.1498" said:
> Deep down. It is not really even deep down. Everyone is on here trying to get nerfs for their counters and buffs for their beloved. Classes are generally balance
Reading the title and these few lines was enough to stop reading further. You're just making pointless assumptions and implying that you know what everyone wants.
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> @"Burnfall.9573" said:
> what Professions do these bots play?
I've mostly seen Condi mirage and scourge. Condi Mirage the best ones as it's the most auto spammable class in game.
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The game is old.
It's holiday season and people are spending time with family.
Get over it with blaming game mechanics for people leaving. People always leave games over time, no matter what. Those who like to stick around will be here and new ones will join. Others, enjoy the next game or real life; whatever takes you away.
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> @"Avatar.3568" said:
> Yeah but gambling with ingame gold isn't the same as with real money
Until you start buying gold with real world money to bet.
One dodge
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> @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > @"BadMed.3846" said:
> > > @"ArlAlt.1630" said:
> > > > @"BadMed.3846" said:
> > > > > @"viquing.8254" said:
> > > > > > @"BadMed.3846" said:
> > > > > > > @"viquing.8254" said:
> > > > > > > @"Don Vega Van Kain.9842" :
> > > > > > > Don't worry, I konw the troll but I have plethora of time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > @"BadMed.3846" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"Don Vega Van Kain.9842" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"viquing.8254" said:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Don't bother yourself with BadMed, he has a large part in the hate history of mirage (i already have some fights with him.....in the forum)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > He says he haven't whine about mesmer, just give a look to everything he post ;)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Why is it so hard for you Mesmer mains to accept a simple fact that you've been largely carried by a broken spec over the years. From one shot shatter to Condi spam bot; you've had your fair share of every possible broken build that requires no skill and even bots can easily master. C'mon, just accept the fact and stop pretending.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Stating the fact is not whining.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Where are your proves fact ?
> > > > > > > Last time someone did the effort to play mesmer to highligh how op it was, it failed miserably. When will you put proves to your imagination ?
> > > > > > > Why it's so hard to share us proves of your facts like mesmers leaderboard representations, stream fight and other non-biased cry ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I said Mirage had been OP since the start of the game. The patch has landed and I support the changes fully. Is it still OP or not will be clear soon.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't intend on proving anything to anyone. None of you mirage mains have ever proved anything. All I see is cries for more power creep and accessibility to broken builds.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let me be very clear:
> > > > > > The developers did very well in determining how to nerf mirage. Great work! No, I'm no expert but I trust the developers know more than me and most of you. I simply reject your calls for buffs and support the nerfs as they were necessary.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You see, there's nothing here to prove. It's my opinion and I stick to it. Regardless of how much noise the other forces make!
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) What you said based on your personnal experience mean nothing. Look at leaderboard, class representation, mAt representation. At best it was in the average since release in the all class context.
> > > > > 2) it's to the guys who came here throwing false facts to prove what he says, not to the opposite.
> > > > > 3) The developers just break every synergy, leaving dead traits and spec every nerf. They just go to the whine forum hype and what is said on twitch top stream when they interact with players here.
> > > > > 4) You don't just reject calls and support nerf as they were necessary, you just reject mesmer as a class and support nerf whatever it is.
> > > > > 5) You see, there's something to prove, you just haven't any data behind you and everytime we ask for thing more valuable instead of your opinion, we get wind.
> > > >
> > > > 1.) Majority of the posts here are based on personal experience. Some rare ones are based on statistics and solid evidence. As far as I know, there is no evidence requirement to post here.
> > > >
> > > > 2.) There are plenty of Mesmer broken build supporters here who want to voice their concerns about the patch. I simply want to say that I think otherwise. I don't care what others think, nor do I go and attack them for posting their thoughts here. Others often try to attack me, but that's fine. Doesn't bother me.
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> > > > 3.) The developers review how a class has been performing over time. Nerfs are implemented where needed.
> > > >
> > > > 4.) I only support Mirage nerfs actively. I'm not against other class nerfs by any means. Mirage has just been too broken so I like voicing my concerns around it.
> > > >
> > > > 5.) There's nothing to prove. These are opinions. Take em or leave em.
> > >
> > > Read your own #1 point, then apply it to the other 4. Why should any of us take your word for it, given that you just stated majority of posts (yours included) are based on personal experience. The game is not balanced around Silver rank.
> >
> > I appreciate the effort you put in to reading and understanding. The game won't be balanced around Plat either. The game needs to be balanced around the tier where majority of the playerbase is. Reason is quite simple - "Commercial Viability".
> >
> > I'm sure you know where it is!
>
> Competitive modes should be balanced around competitive players. If you cant handle fair even game go play single player games and kill AI to your hearths content.
I'll keep playing what I like. I hope you're enjoying BDO ;).