angelica.7406

> @"Konig Des Todes.2086" said:

> > @"angelica.7406" said:

> > If it is said that Urgoz is a spirit of the Forest, however its origin is not very clear and it may have been somehow champion of Modremorth and was purified by someone, and when the Jade Wind occurred, it was corrupted by power. You never know, just as Glint was purified by the forgotten, Urgoz may have been purified as well, but when the Jade Wind occurred it could be corrupted. Even Urgoz could be what would come being similar to the Avatar of the Pale Tree but for the Warden

> Icebrood Saga has shown that spirits can't be corrupted. At most, they can be persuaded. Even the Lost Spirits aren't actually corrupted by Jormag, just bowed by its might and persuasion abilities, of which Mordremoth doesn't have.

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> > Apart from much change the history of Glint from GW1 to GW2, they can still rewrite.

> They could rewrite Glint because she was a dragon, but Urgoz is a forest spirit. Not even a sapient tree - a _spirit_. Relation to Koda or the Spirits of the Wild is far more likely than to Mordremoth.

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> Besides, ANet can rewrite anything if they really wanted. They could rewrite it so that Urgoz is actually a child of Primordus and Kralkatorrik. Not that such makes sense.

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> But not everything needs to be (and definitely, not everything should be) related to the Elder Dragons.

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> > > 3. The distance - Mordremoth is a dragon that roots itself in place. As such, it's unlikely that it moves around after waking up, unlike Kralkatorrik, Primordus, and Jormag who are all well establish to move around upon waking. Even if Mordremoth moves around, crossing the Clashing Seas would be quite a steep task for an Elder Dragon without wings, especially when those seas are inhabited by the deep sea dragon - and as proven in this season, the Elder Dragons are _not_ on a "never attack each other" basis. So in order to have the wardens originating from Mordremoth despite points 1 and 2, Mordremoth would have had to go through enemy territory to reach the Maguuma Jungle by the time of hibernation.

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> > What makes you think that they don't move? Kralkatorrik was in the north and then he moved to the desert to end up in Elona, ​​why not Mordremoth?

> I literally explained it all in the paragraph you quoted.

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> 1. Mordremoth roots itself in place after waking up, in order to spread its vines.

> 2. Mordremoth would need to go through enemy territory to move from Cantha to Tyria.

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> > And maybe Modremorth has never been to Cantha, but if he existed before the Dragon Empire before the arrival of humans, because it is not possible that someone like Ronan, someone different like that has found some seed afterwards and planted it in the Forest

> That's even less likely than Mordremoth having moved from Cantha to Tyria, as it would require someone to find a cleansed seed, bring it all the way to Cantha, then plant it.

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> > Aren't the elder dragons supposed to have had a presence around the world and caused destruction or is it only valid on the Tyrian continent?

> As a group, global influence. Though why they're all centered around Central Tyria this time around is left unanswered. But that wouldn't mean all - or even one specific - Elder Dragon(s) had been in Cantha before.

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> > Maybe there if I was wrong, but it could have a certain relationship. You never know

> There's no reason to believe a relationship at the moment, however. Might as well suggest that Joko got its powers from Zhaitan, or that choya come from Mordremoth too. Just as much likelihood - you're basically saying "hey, these are plants coming from a tree; and these are plants coming from a tree; so maybe they're related!"

Nor is it that bad, it is just speculation, and what I said was interesting to me, and well I just wanted to put a certain relationship to things, I am not saying that it is by forces that are from Modremorth, it is my speculation, a fantasy of myself. Just as there are many posts about tengu being a playable race, why can't I fantasize a bit?

And okay maybe Modremorth never moved ever, but in Magumma Jungle there is a seed cave, someone just grabbed one, when he was traveling there and took it to Cantha on his ship.

And over time, thanks to some kind of power, they turned into spirits, and they developed a power or a barrier that separated them from Modremorth's Influence or something like that.

And you are wrong, you say that Urgoz cannot be corrupted, so how come the Jade Wind corrupted him?

Well it is my speculation and I wanted to share it since it makes me interesting. I know it will never happen.

> @"Konig Des Todes.2086" said:

> It is very unlikely that the wardens are at all related to sylvari or Mordremoth for three reasons:

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> 1. Wardens are stated to have once been humans. This would put them on par to the Druids, rather than sylvari.

You are wrong, nobody says what its origin is, it is a speculation that so far is not known with certainty

[https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Warden](https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Warden) It only says that it is possible but not a fact.

> 2. Their power and origins seem to relate to Urgoz, which is a forest **spirit**. This puts Urgoz on par to the Spirits of the Wild, or the Spirit of Fire, or Amiyali that the itzel worship, rather than the Elder Dragons.

If it is said that Urgoz is a spirit of the Forest, however its origin is not very clear and it may have been somehow champion of Modremorth and was purified by someone, and when the Jade Wind occurred, it was corrupted by power. You never know, just as Glint was purified by the forgotten, Urgoz may have been purified as well, but when the Jade Wind occurred it could be corrupted. Even Urgoz could be what would come being similar to the Avatar of the Pale Tree but for the Warden

Apart from much change the history of Glint from GW1 to GW2, they can still rewrite.

> 3. The distance - Mordremoth is a dragon that roots itself in place. As such, it's unlikely that it moves around after waking up, unlike Kralkatorrik, Primordus, and Jormag who are all well establish to move around upon waking. Even if Mordremoth moves around, crossing the Clashing Seas would be quite a steep task for an Elder Dragon without wings, especially when those seas are inhabited by the deep sea dragon - and as proven in this season, the Elder Dragons are _not_ on a "never attack each other" basis. So in order to have the wardens originating from Mordremoth despite points 1 and 2, Mordremoth would have had to go through enemy territory to reach the Maguuma Jungle by the time of hibernation.

What makes you think that they don't move? Kralkatorrik was in the north and then he moved to the desert to end up in Elona, ​​why not Mordremoth?

And maybe Modremorth has never been to Cantha, but if he existed before the Dragon Empire before the arrival of humans, because it is not possible that someone like Ronan, someone different like that has found some seed afterwards and planted it in the Forest

Aren't the elder dragons supposed to have had a presence around the world and caused destruction or is it only valid on the Tyrian continent?

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> > these guardians their home is the Grove that is in the Forest of Echovald, and within this Grove there are three Eternal Trees, which could be like the Pale Tree.

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> > And this theory I was thinking since Sylvari and Guardians have a city with the same name, called "Grove",

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> This is actually incorrect. You're mistaking the [wardens](https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Warden) with the [juggernauts](https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Kurzick_Juggernaut). The Wardens - if they have a home, this is debatable - would find home in the form of [urgoz's Warren](https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Urgoz%27s_Warren) and **not** [the Eternal Grove](https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_Eternal_Grove_%28explorable_area%29).

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> To restate: the wardens have **no stated or hinted relation** to the Eternal Grove.

Maybe there if I was wrong, but it could have a certain relationship. You never know

Well yesterday three conceptual arts about Shing Jea, the Echovald Forest and the Aetherblades were released, I leave you the images so you can observe


For me this first image I liked, it looks so colorful. I guess it will be the Shing Jea Monastery



This other image is about the Echovald Forest, the truth is that it also looks very good, that makes us think that the forest is no longer petrified.

La última imagen si recuerdo correctamente es la Casa zu Heltzer que es o era la ciudad de los kurzick. La verdad es que este arte se ve muy bien y el Bosque Echovald ha vuelto a su estado natural, lleno de vida. Obvio sin perder el estilo gótico, que es algo que me fascina.


And this last one because we will see the Aetherblades again, after a long time.


The latter is a concept art of some character, perhaps important that we see in Cantha, possibly it helps us in the missions. It seems to me that she's an elementalist or something. Let's see if they tell us more about her.

I am more and more excited. =)

I have a slightly weird or crazy theory, whatever you want to call it. Remember the Wardens of the Echovald Forest? this in GW: Factions.

in case you don't remember, they are: [https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Warden](https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Warden)

First as everyone knows the Sylvari are a new and never seen race, and they were born from a Tree, which was a seed that Ronan planted a human.

Well I have a theory that Guardians can be the same species as Sylvari, why do I say this? good question, these guardians their home is the Grove that is in the Forest of Echovald, and within this Grove there are three Eternal Trees, which could be like the Pale Tree.

Since I know that these trees were used for ceremonies or rituals this to transform the Kurzick into Juggernaut, these creatures are a great mobile plant construction that the Kurzick create by binding the soul of a volunteer human with one of the Eternal Trees in the Awakening Ceremony.

Well suppose that the Guardians being ancient and they are, they learned from the abilities of their three trees and saw that they could use it on humans and thus both the kurzick and the guardians became allies. And the Kurzicks took advantage of this to fight the luxons.

I will give you a description so that you understand why I tell you this theory that I have.

> The mysterious and ancient Wardens guard the areas of Cantha hit hardest by Shiro’s legacy. Protectors of the Echovald that was, they now guard the petrified forest it has become. They may once have been human, perhaps powerful druids or holy men, but they long ago merged with the spirit they served to become something altogether different.

> Now they stand as the ultimate protectors of the Echovald that is. The clan claims the right of vengeance for what Shiro Tagachi wrought, and blames all humans for the Jade Wind that stripped the woods and sea of life, but inexplicably left the Wardens unharmed. Driven nearly mad, enraged at their failure to fulfill their only purpose, they work in their own mysterious ways to reverse the effects of Shiro’s death, but until they succeed, they will threaten any humans they encounter.

> Wardens do not take names as such, but take their monikers from their rank in the clan’s natural hierarchy. The lowest ranked, least powerful Wardens are associated with the smallest forms and shapes of nature—leaves, moss, seashells, and so on. Higher up are those Wardens who take their name from particular trees or larger forms of sea life, while those protectors that lead the clans take the names of the seasons.

Well as such its origin is not known, it is mentioned that they were humans, druids, or something. I say they could be the "first pure sylvari" to call them that, without the influence of Modremorth. And that they merged with the spirits to become something different may be the explanation for why they have that horned appearance as seen in Factions.

And this theory I was thinking since Sylvari and Guardians have a city with the same name, called "Grove", and that both have Trees, apart from the Guardians have an unknown origin and since the ancient Dragons have millennia and are ancient inhabitants of Tyria , It would not be so unreasonable for these Guardians to have a certain link with Modremorth and the Sylvari, they may be distant relatives.

Besides that it would help the plot of the game and know things that we do not know yet about the Sylvari, their life limit time or other things. And it would be something that would surprise.

What do you think? Do you think it could be true? Would you like it?

Maybe it won't happen, but it's something I would like ANET to do, it would be cool.

I wonder when they will release the next chapter. They came out every 2 months and now nothing.

> 26- Will we see a Lunar New Year in Cantha or do you think it will not happen? (comment why)

Hello everyone, I am writing again to give an opinion

There are those who consider that the Lunar Year is not possible in Cantha, since it leaves the players at a disadvantage, if they worry so much there will also be players at a disadvantage because they cannot or do not have money when buying EoD, this is In the case of HoT, those who do not have cannot be create the profession of revenant, nor can they be scribes.

It is an opinion that I think about the answer that perhaps several believe is not possible.

And to apologize for those who did not understand my question about the clan halls, I was referring to the guild halls, in Spanish guild is clan or guild. (from question 9)

From question 10 I mean the guild halls. ?

Now I'll answer my own questions :o ;)

Sorry if I have spelling mistakes, I'm still learning english.

> @"angelica.7406" said:

> 1- What do you expect from EoD, in general?

Many things jajaja. I would like this expansion to be different from the others and really feel like we are in a new place other than Tyria. I wish it was a cool expansion, maybe not wonderful, but great.

> 2- What date do you think EoD will be launched? and why do you think that?

At first I have read many who assume either by tradition or guided by the other expansions, or by that are still missing episodes of Saga icebrood, that EoD will arrive within a year, possibly in autumn this is expected. I am really excited and if it were up to me I would like to have it at the beginning of 2021, but being realistic I doubt this will happen and I also bet for September or October 2021.

> 3- What kind of content or PvP or MvM system do you think they will add or what you would like to see?

He played very little at this, to say anything. Although I think they will put PvP or MvM maps related to Cantha, and I would like if GvG could be added.

> 4- Do you think there are water fights? (It depends if your answer is yes or no comment why you think that)

I would say yes, this is likely to happen, more than anything because of the number of players who have been crying out for it for years, it could still happen. I hope it can.

> 5- Will there be new kinds of mounts?

I would not know what to say, since it is something that I suppose will not happen, since PoF was the expansion where this was added, apart from that already the mounts that we have I feel that there are too many and they already cover everything, flying, terrestrial, aquatic, sprinters, the blanket that can pass over the water. But what I am sure of is that there will be new skins for the mounts we already have. PS: I would love that if you get to put mounts, they put a seahorse and a Phoenix, I would love that.

> 6- Will there be new functions of the mounts that already exist? (example: what they added to dive with the stingray, but in this case with the others)

mmm ... maybe, but I don't know, they may add it in the expansion or take it out in updates, but it could be that the mounts we have now have improvements. An example: that the beetle can dig underground and we can move like moles jajaja

> 7- Will there be new specializations? (answer because you believe that)

Sure you do, since in each expansion they always put new things and improvements to the professions.

> 8- What kind of specializations would you like to see?

It could be aquatic specializations, with new abilities or weapons for aquatic combat.

> 9- Will there be guild halls?

Seguro que los habrá, la pregunta sería cuántos, yo diría que tal vez uno o si se ponen más cariñosos podemos tener varios. En particular, me gustaría tener una sala petrificada en el Bosque Ecvolad,

> 10- Will there be new improvements for the room? (It depends on your answer, comment why and if positive, comment which ones)

They should, as the guild halls really feel like they don't serve a purpose, GvG matches could be held in the guild halls, if they add it.

Decorations for sure there will be enough.

> 11- New crafts? (It depends on your answer, comment why and if positive, comment which ones)

I do not think, or at least I can not think of any that they can put. But it could happen as the "Scribe" but to be scribe it is mandatory to have HoT. Maybe a craft that doesn't affect that much. But I doubt it.

> 12- Do you think they add or improve the crafts we have? (comment why)

It is said that there are possibilities that Jeweler will improve it equal to 500. I do not know if they increase the level, but surely they put more recipes into the crafts to make new things. I am waiting for new recipes for armor and weapons.

> 13- What kind of armor sets would you like or think you can see? (be it for crafts, karma, even new cultures or etc.)

Surely something that has to do with an Asian style, I would like you to add some kimono for my elementalist hahaha. About luxon y kurzick armor, I bet they add that as outfits in the gem shop. Hope armor that can be bought with karma.

> 14- Will there be new raids, fractals, attack missions or dungeons?

Dungeons I do not think we will see them again, but what are raids, fractals and attack missions for sure. They even add some raid that has to do with urgoz or kanaxi

> 15- What kind of events would you like to see? (example Tequatl, the Shatter, similar to that)

I would love to fight a kraken whether it's in the Jade Sea and it can be a water event. And if it is in Kaineng I would love to fight against bandits or criminals, although I do not know if there are the Am Fah, or any other organization.

> 16- How do you think the story will turn?

The story will revolve around Cantha, about what has happened in more than 250 years, we may see the servants of the Sea Dragon.

> 17- What would you expect from Cantha?

I hope it's like Factions, I really like Shing Jea Island, it was a place of tranquility, the Monastery, I would like to dive under the Jade Sea, swim and explore to see what is under all that sea, I can even see boats sunken luxons, or mysterious sites. The Ecvholad forest i would love to be able to fly and climb up to the treetops, I sincerely hope they do not take away that gothic touch.

> 18- If we go to Cantha, do you think we will pass or see the War Islands? or are they mentioned?

Maybe not, since it was mentioned that they were flooded, but I hope it gets mentioned, or even sailing through the Ocean we pass where it was and feel some kind of power emerging under the Ocean. Or maybe there's an island or something left.

> 19- Who do you think was the voice of the trailer with whom Kuunavang spoke?

To be honest, I have no idea.

> 20- What role do you suppose Kuunavang plays in the story?

Podría ser el nuevo Glint y guiarnos a través de nuestro tiempo en Cantha, o podría ser un campeón del Sea Dragon.

Ojalá se convirtiera en un dragón anciano

> 21- What places would you like to visit or see again in Cantha? and because?

What a question, of course all the areas, I want to see how much has changed, I would even like to explore new areas that have never been seen in Factions. I would love the opportunity to see new areas

> 22- Do you think we will see the Jade Sea and the Ecvoland Forest in their natural state? (before the Jade Wind)

If I would like to see this in its natural form. As mentioned I would like to dive and explore under the Jade Sea.

Although I liked the Echovald Forest for its Gothic style, I hope it remains the same.

> 23- Will there be new races and species? (I do NOT mean playable races, I mean new races or species such as the Longs or quaggans)

I would say that if, apart from the ones we already know from Factions, it sure occurs to them to include some species or race of Asian folklore.

> 24- If your answer to the previous question is YES, what kind of race or species would you like to see? (be creative)

A race that we do not know, like a humanoid species in the form of foxes or something similar. Like some demons or vermin.

> 25- What do you think happened to the Nagas, Yetis, Guardians and other species that inhabited Cantha?

I think they are still alive there, I want to imagine that several have escaped, and now many of them hate humans like the Nagas and are now an aggressive people. The yetis have still gone to live far away in the mountains, the guardians now that Urgoz has been defeated as they may continue their task of protecting the Echvoland forest.

That's what I think.

> 24- What new function or new thing do you think it would be possible to add that is not in GW2? (example: mounts as in PoF, or gliders in HoT)

I would say that aquatic fights, they could put already minipets fights, pokemon style jaja

> 25- Do you think that in EoD we will fight with the Sea Dragon or what kind of threat we could face?

Yes there are very high chances that we can face the Sea Dragon, although I do not know if in EoD or in a season of the living world. Nor do I think that the dragon is the only threat, the Empire may have threats with other races for expelling them.

> 26- Will we see a Lunar New Year in Cantha or do you think it will not happen? (comment why)

It is difficult to answer, since the festivities are already established, apart from it it is a disadvantage for those who will not have EoD, but if they are creative, they could open the Monastery to everyone on the holiday. Of course, if it is what they do, I would sincerely like to see this festival take place in Cantha.

> 27- Do you think there are new main characters? (apart from Braham, Kasmeer and the others)

Yes, there will be new characters for sure

> 28- If your previous answer was yes, what kind of character or main would you like to see?

It could be a tengu who can join the Guard of Eternity and accompany us to Cantha, even in Cantha we can get new friends to help us.

> 29- Will we see the Tengu and their city?

I wish so, maybe not in EoD, but maybe in some episode of the living world.

> 30- Finally write something that has not been asked and would like to mention

I want to be in Cantha playing :)

Hi everyone, I've been playing GW2 for a long time and it's my first time creating a forum thread. I am Mexican, I would like to be a series of questions, and excuse me if my English is not very good.

I'll make a list of questions to make it fun, entertaining, and so let's see how much they think and how excited they are.

The purpose of this is only to speculate about what is coming, get opinions, discuss about the new expansion and in this way they can let themselves be fantasized.

We start with the questions ...

1- What do you expect from EoD, in general?

2- What date do you think EoD will be launched? and why do you think that?

3- What kind of content or PvP or MvM system do you think they will add or what you would like to see?

4- Do you think there are water fights? (It depends if your answer is yes or no comment why you think that)

5- Will there be new kinds of mounts?

6- Will there be new functions of the mounts that already exist? (example: what they added to dive with the stingray, but in this case with the others)

7- Will there be new specializations? (answer because you believe that)

8- What kind of specializations would you like to see?

9- Will there be clan halls?

10- Will there be new improvements for the room? (It depends on your answer, comment why and if positive, comment which ones)

11- New crafts? (It depends on your answer, comment why and if positive, comment which ones)

12- Do you think they add or improve the crafts we have? (comment why)

13- What kind of armor sets would you like or think you can see? (be it for crafts, karma, even new cultures or etc.)

14- Will there be new raids, fractals, attack missions or dungeons?

15- What kind of events would you like to see? (example Tequatl, the Shatter, similar to that)

16- How do you think the story will turn?

17- What would you expect from Cantha?

18- If we go to Cantha, do you think we will pass or see the War Islands? or are they mentioned?

19- Who do you think was the voice of the trailer with whom Kuunavang spoke?

20- What role do you suppose Kuunavang plays in the story?

21- What places would you like to visit or see again in Cantha? and because?

22- Do you think we will see the Jade Sea and the Ecvoland Forest in their natural state? (before the Jade Wind)

23- Will there be new races and species? (I do NOT mean playable races, I mean new races or species such as the Longs or quaggans)

24- If your answer to the previous question is YES, what kind of race or species would you like to see? (be creative)

25- What do you think happened to the Nagas, Yetis, Guardians and other species that inhabited Cantha?

24- What new function or new thing do you think it would be possible to add that is not in GW2? (example: mounts as in PoF, or gliders in HoT)

25- Do you think that in EoD we will fight with the Sea Dragon or what kind of threat we could face?

26- Will we see a Lunar New Year in Cantha or do you think it will not happen? (comment why)

27- Do you think there are new main characters? (apart from Braham, Kasmeer and the others)

28- If your previous answer was yes, what kind of character or main would you like to see?

29- Will we see the Tengu and their city?

30- Finally write something that has not been asked and would like to mention

> @"Kalythsu.8350" said:

> > @"angelica.7406" said:

> > When do you think EoD will come out?

> >

> > I would like it to come out for the Chinese New Year which is February 11, 2021, it would be great to celebrate it with the Lunar New Year in the Monastery as well as in Linde.

> >

> > Or what are your speculations?

>

> End 2021 around. Why? Because :

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> Episode 5 october 2020

> Episode 6 december 2020

> Episode 7 february 2020

> Episode 8 : April 2020

> Expansion : September 2021

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> But I didn't include any Vision Past or delay... it's very optimized^^

> @"Fueki.4753" said:

> > @"Kalythsu.8350" said:

> > Episode 5 october 2020

> > Episode 6 december 2020

> > Episode 7 february 2020

> > Episode 8 : April 2020

> > Expansion : September 2021

>

> That's a very optimistic view.

>

> I'd say we get the vision we are allegedly getting next at the end of Septembre and then an episode every three months.

> That'd place episode 8 somewhere in Autumn 2021.

> If we get not epilogue, the expansion got launch in time for the Yule festivities in Decembre 2021.

> If we get an epilogue, the expansion would launch two to three months into 2022 (possibly overlapping with Chinese New Year in February).

>

> And I hope they take the time to make it good instead of the low quality of Season 5.

It makes me sad to know your answers, but okay, it's your speculation, i hope it is not in autumn, it would be a long wait. I would like them to launch it at the beginning of the year, however I prefer that they do a good job.

When do you think EoD will come out?

I would like it to come out for the Chinese New Year which is February 11, 2021, it would be great to celebrate it with the Lunar New Year in the Monastery as well as in Linde.

Or what are your speculations?