Chrysline.2317

@"Svata.8034" Hi there! I can only speak for what I’ve done with my laptop. When I partitioned mine for Bootcamp, I think the split I used was 135GB (MacOS) and 121GB (Bootcamp Windows). (I wanted to make it an even split, but my Mac required that I give it 10GB of free space. It makes sense.) My Windows Bootcamp partition only has Windows, GW2, and Windows updates installed. Right now, my Bootcamp drive says 107GB with 27GB free. I’m guessing some of the missing GBs go into hidden system-related uses. For my MacOS, I only have MacOS, some software I always use, and a few files I’m currently working on. Even then I still have 10-20GB of free space. I’ve deleted apps I don’t use. I jettisoned all my movies, photos, old documents, etc. into external HDDs. (Since I did KonMari tidying back in 2017/2018, I already had 4 external HDDs designated for a specific purpose.) As for files I’m currently working on, I have everything on Microsoft OneDrive. Their annual (family) Microsoft Office subscription gives 1TB of cloud storage space. (There’s a “free up space” option that allows you to only download the folders you’re currently using.) Before buying Cloud storage, try checking your organization or family subscriptions. You may already be paying for some cloud storage space providers (eg. iCloud, Dropbox, etc.). If not, MEGA gives 50GB of cloud storage on their free plan the last time I used them. (Fair warning: MEGA can take ages to upload/download files between devices.) _____________ **If Bootcamp just does NOT work for you**, here is a resource one of my guildies followed: http://fgimian.github.io/blog/2016/03/12/installing-windows-10-on-a-mac-without-bootcamp/ It worked for his Mac, and he’s playing fine now.

> @"Konig Des Todes.2086" said: > If we go with norse pronunciation, I _think_ it would be pronounced "b-yora". J's are treated akin to y's in norse, and the b would be said akin to the b in "boy". Best way to see would be if there's spoken dialogue in-game, but I would expect it'd be pronounced "bjora" that way, since ANet devs aren't as focused on non-English pronunciation as [they once were](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Savage_Pride_of_the_Jotun). > > > @"Valandil Dragonhart.2371" said: > > and Jora hadn't yet established her legend; the most influencial thing she did in EotN, was kill her corrupted brother, Svanir. Her legend's strength grew long after GW1 was done. > > And Bjora Marches was named such before Jora killed her brother. However, Bjora Marches is where Jora's homestead was located (which is where Jora's Keep was built). So there *is* a curious relation presented despite Jora's lack-of-legend in GW1. Speaking of the “as they once were” part, I really appreciate the old lore Ree Soesbee wrote. I guess she left for new challenges?

If **installing Bootcamp on an external hard drive** is something anyone here needs, [in this other discussion](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/1400046/#Comment_1400046), _nykur.2154_ mentioned a thorough guide: https://transferx23.medium.com/install-windows-10-on-an-external-hdd-or-ssd-with-boot-camp-under-macos-catalina-10-15-e0e315f2d48d

> @"ASP.8093" said: > > @"Chrysline.2317" said: > > Here is Apple’s article on the Windows on Bootcamp process: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201468 > > > > (In case others have trouble: when Windows installs, it can’t connect to the internet. Because Bootcamp can only install the Wi-Fi and internet-related drivers after Windows is done installing. If you get stuck, you can click “I don’t have internet now” during the Windows install.) > > > > Thanks! I adapted this to a small set of instructions in a new section. > > One part I'm not sure about without testing it myself is how much disk space to allocate to the Windows partition (I know GW2 wants like 60 GB for its data). You’re welcome and thank you too for compiling these! I’m not sure of the disk space myself since my old early 2015 Macbook 12-inch (I got it as a gift) only has 256 GB. [Apple’s support page on Bootcamp](https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201468) mentions a mininum of 64GB for the Windows 10 OS. Then it says to give it 128GB for future Windows updates. (With a caveat that the startup disk needs to have at least as much free storage space as the Mac’s memory.) I’m only guessing here: if someone has a lot of space maybe 64GB for Windows + another 64GB for future Windows updates + 60GB for GW2 + __ GB free space to match your RAM + __ GB of anything else you plan to install? __________________________ For my laptop (a few hours before this post): I was able to allocate around 115 GB for my Bootcamp partition. It’s kinda patchwork for my laptop at this point (since I’m hoping to buy a new laptop in a few months) I pray the lack of free space and absence of Mac’s thermal throttling doesn’t hurt it too much. Aside from vanilla Windows 10, my Windows only has GW2 and GW2 TacO installed. I set Windows updates to be delayed by 35 days :lol: so it doesn’t take up space for now. I uninstalled bloatware and didn’t sign-in to any of my OneDrive and Microsoft accounts on Windows to make sure data doesn’t sync/download. (I’m also not good with accidentally disconnecting wires that’s why I didn’t go for installing Bootcamp on an external drive.) I imagine people with 512GB or more on their internal drive wouldn’t have to worry so much about space. :lol: __________________________

Just an update, I squeezed enough free HD space (thank you cloud storage!) out of my 256GB early 2015 Macbook 12-inch to use Bootcamp and install GW2. **— Windows 10 Home for free, it works.** Downloaded it directly from Microsoft. (The ‘Activate Windows’ semi-transparent box is distracting until we pay, but hey it’s free to use and test with.) **— GW2 on Bootcamp Windows 10, it works too.** I was able to do the Bjora Marches metas, do my dailies, and even attend some guild events. (My ancient laptop had 5-8 FPS and 300ms ping even when it was the GW2 Mac client so not much difference. Heck, the Windows version added 3 FPS and less 30ms ping :lol: ) — As a bonus, **we can finally install add-ons like TacO**. :heart: (Yay for gaming compatibility!) — I used SharpKeys to _remap my keyboard_. In line with a Mac user’s muscle memory : I _made the Cmd key into Ctrl, and the Ctrl into the Windows key_. (You’ll understand if you have the Mac keyboard layout... and accidentally press the Cmd/Windows key and minimize the game during a fight. :lol: The simple keyboard remap I mentioned resolves it.) Bootcamp is a lot more automated compared to 8-10 years ago. Windows looks a lot more aesthetic than I remember too. :lol: Fellow Intel-based Mac users, there is hope for us.

> @"ASP.8093" said: > There's a lot of confusion about [GW2 ending Mac client support](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/121605/an-update-on-mac-support-for-guild-wars-2), so let's make a thread of player resources about what to actually *do* about it. > > Please chime in with your own experiences but focus on what you've actually *tested* to keep the volume of speculation low. I'll try to keep the top post updated as an ad-hoc community resource until we figure out something better. > > --- > > # IN GENERAL: > > What we know: > 1. Anet has announced: "[starting February 18, … the Mac client will no longer work after this date.](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/121605/an-update-on-mac-support-for-guild-wars-2)" > 2. Apple is transitioning their hardware to a new CPU type. So Macs come in two varieties: > * older Intel chips — these run x86 code natively > * new ARM ("M1"/"Apple Silicon") chips — these have a different instruction set *but they CAN run code compiled for x86 Macs using a special software translation layer called [Rosetta](https://developer.apple.com/documentation/apple_silicon/about_the_rosetta_translation_environment),* which likely has a performance cost but should be pretty seamless once you've set it up > 4. The Guild Wars 2 Win64 client — that's the thing you're most likely going to be using once the Mac client disappears — *can* work on non-Windows OSes through a "compatibility layer" application like Wine (e.g. [here is the Lutris wrapper for Linux](https://lutris.net/games/guild-wars-2/)). > 5. Rosetta is, at least in theory, compatible with Wine. > 6. If you have an Intel-based Mac, you could also choose to dual-boot Windows. One advantage of this approach is that you're just running GW2 on Windows natively, which is an officially supported platform. (In which case you don't need most of what I'm posting below.) > > What we don't know: > 2. Whether any solution outlined below will continue to work for any given GW2 release. > 3. Whether any solution outlined below will work on *your* hardware/software. > > --- > > # SPECIFIC SOLUTIONS: > > **NOTE: This is all "void your warranty" type stuff, don't expect any tech support from Anet, don't run any software as administrator if you're not comfortable with what it's doing, &c.** > > # 1. Wine-based compatibility wrappers > > # 1.a. [Porting Kit](https://portingkit.com/) > (last updated: Jan 10, 2021) > "Out-of-the-box" support: No/Not yet > "Do-it-yourself" support: YES :heart: > > "Do-it-yourself" Instructions: > (Tested on Intel hardware / Mac OS 10.15.7 "Catalina" / Porting Kit 4.1.0) > 1. See Porting Kit installation instructions and license info on [on their website](https://portingkit.com/). > 2. Start Porting Kit. Go to Library. (Search for "Guild Wars 2" to see if there's an "out-of-the-box" installer you can use. If there is, you can probably skip this stuff.) > 3. Select "New Custom Port." > 4. Name your application "GW2", "Guild Wars 2," &c. > 5. In Advanced Settings: select Engine: "WS11WineCX64Bit20.0.2" or later. > 6. In Destination Select: rename the app (e.g. to "Guild Wars 2 Win64" so it doesn't conflict with your current Mac client). > 7. Download Anet's _64-bit Windows client_ (Gw2Setup-64.exe) from guildwars2.com. > 8. Wait for the installer to run. Allow GW2 to download all of its data, then close the application without logging in. > 9. "Guild Wars 2" will now appear on the left sidebar of your Porting Kit Library tab. > 10. Right-click on "Guild Wars 2" and select "Launch Wineskin App." Change the executable to "drive_c/Program Files/Guild Wars 2/Gw2-64.exe" (by default it will be "nothing.exe"). Also, under "Advanced Tools">"Wine Configuration," make sure the Windows version is set to "Windows 7." > 11. Now launch GW2 using the little play button, check your graphics settings, rebind keys as needed (when playing through the compatibility layer, both Cmd and Ctrl will be read as "Ctrl" by the game you're playing). > > TODO: Verify ARM/Rosetta support with latest Porting Kit. > > > # 1.b. [PlayOnMac](https://www.playonmac.com/en/) > (last updated: Jan 10, 2021) > "Out-of-the-box" support: No/Not yet > "Do-it-yourself support: No(?) :skull: > A Linux script exists at https://www.playonmac.com/en/app-1126-Guild_Wars_2.html but I haven't been able to get this working on Mac at the moment. > Just to add to the discussion, in case people skim to the headers (and skip ASP’s point #6), I’d just like to repeat that # If you have an Intel-based Mac and enough hard drive space, Bootcamp is a legit option. (I just finished installing Windows and GW2 on my 5 year old Macbook. It works! Plus we can use addons like TacO now.) ## Here is Apple’s article on the Windows on Bootcamp process: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201468 (In case others have trouble: when Windows installs, it can’t connect to the internet. Because Bootcamp can only install the Wi-Fi and internet-related drivers after Windows is done installing. If you get stuck, you can click “I don’t have internet now” during the Windows install.)

> @"dusanyu.4057" said: > The Only thing you will have to remember if you're on a mac laptop while using boot camp is you may need to use a fan pad under the laptop macOS does some things in the kernel to change the thresholds that thermal throttling happens at and windows does not have this so in order to retain good performance a third party cooling solution is necessary. Here is a link to a video of a e-celeb tech channel explaining it Thank you for the heads up! I’ve been playing on a 5 year old Macbook 12 inch and the heat during GW2 has been serious enough that I’ve already got a cooling fan. :lol: (Why I hadn’t upgraded my laptop recently: I’ve been away from the hardcore gaming scene for almost 10 years and didn’t need to upgrade it. I only started GW2, and started playing MMOs again, around 50 days ago.) The last time I tried Bootcamp was almost 10 years ago on an old Macbook Pro (to play Skyrim). The installed Windows couldn’t find several drivers for the Mac hardware and it led to a lot of error messages. :lol: Though it was solid enough to play Skyrim for 2 months with mods on. I’ll need to get through some impending deadlines and meetings before chopping up my laptop so it can do Bootcamp. Let’s see how it goes. XD

> @"Touchme.1097" said: > > @"Chrysline.2317" said: > > After the _discontinued Mac support on Feb 18:_ > > **Would it still be possible for old Macs (with Intel hardware) to use Boot Camp (to dual boot) Windows and run GW2?** > > > > I understand Boot Camp is a bit patch work and sub optimal. It’s just that we’re given a month’s notice and it’s challenging to suddenly buy a new laptop/desktop. > > > > If we can still play GW2 on a Boot Camp Windows on our current Mac devices, it would be a big help as the Mac player-base transitions to Intel/AMD PCS. > > I can confirm you can use Bootcamp to make a partition on your hard drive where you can install Windows 10 for free and play GW2 with a 64 bit Windows client. The process is pretty much automatic but you have to download Windows 10 first. The newest iMac computers don't even need a flash drive to do the partition, which is good. The Windows client is more optimised than the Mac one from what I witnessed Thank you for this, it’s reassuring!

> @"Infusion.7149" said: > > @"Chrysline.2317" said: > > If you could only choose laptops, is the Ryzen 5000 series preferred? :open_mouth: > > > > It’s been 10 years since I last did hardcore gaming. :lol: I’m surprised at how far AMD has come now. > > > > Just to clarify, apps/games don’t have compatibility problems between AMD and Intel CPUs right? > > Ryzen 5000 series (Zen3) hasn't hit mobile yet, it's still on 4000 series which is most simply explained as a down-clocked mobile equivalent of the Zen 2 Ryzen 3000 desktop CPU series. The reason the 5000 series is superior to Zen 2 is the 8 core CCX structure, in which 8 cores share one core complex. Zen (14nm) , Zen+ (12nm , half node shrink), and Zen2 all had 4 core CCX ; Zen2's major instruction improvement was larger cache size and improved AVX2 to match Intel along with a 7nm process. > It's a particularly exciting time in the laptop scene since 15W low power Ryzen chips reportedly perform as fast as desktop Intel CPUs from last gen in single threaded workloads: > https://www.notebookcheck.net/Ryzen-7-5800U-thin-and-light-laptops-should-offer-stellar-single-core-performance-as-AMD-s-Zen-3-APU-scores-higher-than-an-Intel-Core-i9-10900K-in-CPU-Z.514047.0.html > > Just make sure it's a 7nm "Zen2" or 7nm+ "Zen3" chip. Some Intel chips run with Hyperthreading , the AMD Ryzen solution is SMT or "simultaneous multithreading". In the past the "clustered multithreading" / CMT on Bulldozer architecture (FX 8000 / 9000 series) led to issues before. > The information is readily accessible on notebookcheck and other sites that cover the mobile PC space. See > [notebook check mobile CPU benchmark list](https://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Processors-Benchmark-List.2436.0.html?type=&sort=b_244_705&deskornote=2&or=0&showBars=1&cinebench_r15_single=1&cinebench_r15_multi=1&cinebench_r20_multi=1&wprime_32=1&x264_pass1=1&x264_pass2=1&cpu_fullname=1&l2cache=1&l3cache=1&tdp=1&mhz=1&turbo_mhz=1&cores=1&threads=1). > > Back at launch notebookcheck actually did benchmark the GW2 core game: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Guild-Wars-2-Benchmarked.81604.0.html > > Guild Wars 2 is one of the few games where the processor can have a fairly large impact on performance. As can be seen in our chart, stronger graphics cards can be found below their weaker counterparts depending on the CPU. > > I've actually seen more fringe benchmarking sites list GW2 benchmarks but keep in mind the thermal solution affects CPU throttling and power levels in mobile situations and Intel CPUs are typically worse due to the dated 14nm process versus the 7nm process of new Ryzens: > >! **Ryzen 7 4800H** inside Asus TUF A15 (FA506IU) , Best appearance preset FPS: min 53, average 65 (https://noteb.com/?content/review.php?/2020/05/27/asus-tuf-a15-fa506iu-review/) > >! **Intel Core i5-10300H** inside Acer Nitro 5 (2020) , Medium settings FPS: min 38 , average 49 (https://noteb.com/?content/review.php?/2020/09/21/acer-nitro-5-2020-review-is-it-worth-the-upgrade) > >! **i7-10750H** inside ROG Strix G15 G512LU , Best Appearance preset FPS : min 20 , average 36 (https://noteb.com/?content/review.php?/2019/03/05/hp-zbook-studio-g5/) > >! ---> same computer Best Performance preset FPS : min 51, average 78 > >! **i5-10300H** inside Dell G3 15 (3500) , Medium settings FPS min 22 , average 41 (https://noteb.com/?content/review.php?/2020/08/25/dell-g3-15-3500-review/) > >! **i9-9880H** inside Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme Gen2 , Max settings FPS min 9 , average 33 (https://noteb.com/?content/review.php?/2020/02/12/lenovo-thinkpad-x1-extreme-gen2-review/) > >! **i7-9750H** inside Acer Predator Helios 300 15 2019 (PH315-52), Max settings FPS: min 21 , average 62 (https://noteb.com/?content/review.php?/2020/03/13/acer-predator-helios-300-15-2019-ph315-52-review/) > >! **i7-9750H** inside HP Pavilion Gaming 15 (2019) , "Ultra" settings FPS: min 9 , average 45.8 (https://noteb.com/?content/review.php?/2019/12/20/hp-pavilion-gaming-15-2019-review/) > >! **i7-10750H** inside MSI GP65 Leopard (10SFK) , Best Appearance preset FPS : min 24 , average 50 (https://noteb.com/?content/review.php?/2020/07/20/msi-gp65-leopard-10sfk-review/) > >! **i7-10750H** inside Lenovo Legion 5i (2020) , Best appearance preset FPS: min 12, average 27 (https://noteb.com/?content/review.php?/2020/10/13/lenovo-legion-5i-2020-review-the-jack-of-all-trades-and-master-of-them-all/) > >! ---> same computer Best Performance preset FPS : min 60, average 113 > >! **Ryzen 7 3750H** _which is Zen+_ inside MSI Alpha 15 (A3DD), Medium settings FPS: min 23, average 49 (https://noteb.com/?content/review.php?/2020/03/31/msi-alpha-15-review-a3dd/) > >!**i5-10210U** inside Acer Aspire 5 A515-54G (10th gen) , Medium settings FPS min 15 , average 31.8 (https://noteb.com/?content/review.php?/2019/11/12/acer-aspire-5-a515-54g-10th-gen-review/) > >! ---> U donates "ultrabook" or "thin and light" 15W TDP constrained CPUs , it is not advisable > > Note that even with a new laptop , running high model limit is a strain on the CPU. > Thank you so much, this is a big help in choosing! Thank you too for teaching us how and where to look for benchmarks. (It really isn’t clear cut with how the ASUS TUF on Ryzen 7 a year later outperforms the FPS of the ROG Strix that’s on i7-10750H). I see now :open_mouth: I think I’ll suffer through Bootcamp for a bit and wait for the Intel 11th gen and Ryzen 5000 to appear on laptops. :heart: This has been enlightening. (Since GW2 is discontinued on the Mac, it’s a good time to consider gaming laptops, hahaha.)

> @"nykur.2154" said: > > @"tetmikem.5608" said: > > > @"nykur.2154" said: > > > You can absolutely use Bootcamp Windows to play. It's not really that much patch work, it runs like a normal Windows install. The only difference is you get your drivers from the Boot Camp tool, and you have the option of using 3rd party video drivers to squeeze some more performance (bootcampdrivers.com, but that is indeed some patchwork at that point.) > > > > > > I definitely recommend trying it, anyone who has an Intel Mac. The Bootcamp tool is pretty self explanatory if you want to do a default install (has to be on your main/internal hard drive) but if you want to put it on an external, completely separate drive, that's also possible and there are some very thorough guides on how to do it step by step like [this one](https://medium.com/@transferx23/install-windows-10-on-an-external-hdd-or-ssd-with-boot-camp-under-macos-catalina-10-15-e0e315f2d48d). > > > > How much does it cost to run bootcamp? I presume you have to buy a copy of WIndows, right? > > You can actually use Windows 10 for free nowadays. It just limits your ability to customize the OS and do a few other minor things, but it's completely fine for bootcamp and playing games. > > You can download it from Microsoft for free [here](https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10) and [here is Apple's support page about installing Windows](https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201468) with some useful info. > > (Oops, just noticed Chrysline linked this stuff already up above!) It’s all good! Your explanation is clear and simple. I only linked to the info while you explained it directly. And others can benefit from hearing things phrased differently. :heart: Thank you too for clarifying that an Intel Mac is enough. :anguished: :heart:

For anyone buying new laptops (I for one don’t have a space for a desktop in my area), I saw tech experts online recommend that we wait for the Intel 11th gen or the AMD Ryzen 5000. They’re coming to laptops sometime in 2021.

> @"Talek.6795" said: > The news are very sad. My family plays gw2 on macs since the inception of initial mac client =( :anguished: Warm hugs to you and your family Talek. It’s hard on you all. When I started GW2 last November, I was also happy to see an MMORPG that my 5 year old Macbook could run.

> @"Eirian Direstorm.9748" said: > Thanks for this info! Has there been any word on why this is such short notice? > > I've been a mac user for many years, but on top of the climbing prices, this might be the final straw... I love my Macs too, but now that I’m back to gaming, I might get a gaming laptop now. GW2 without ArcDPS and TacO is a struggle. :lol: _________ I don’t know about the devs but here are _**my guesses**_ based on factors beyond ANet employees’ control: **1) Apple stopped supporting OpenGL that GW2 uses to support Mac.** (https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/06/28/why-macos-mojave-requires-metal----and-deprecates-opengl). **Apple is also leaving Intel processors and making their own M1 chips. This is in line with Apple’s design philosophy** to perfect the design of their hardware and software from front to back. Making their own hardware gives them more control over their design process. **2) Developing for Mac’s replacement for OpenGL (Metal-capable GPUs) and M1 CPUs is a huge cost for ANet.** Given less gamers are on Mac, this might not be worth it for them. From the little I know of software dev from my college courses: in terms of effort/cost, _that kind of overhaul is as good as making a new game._ (Unfortunately for gamers, Mac’s target market isn’t the gaming community so Apple can’t make resolving this their priority.) 3) With the **recent ANet layoffs and most businesses/individuals struggling with the effects of the pandemic**, they need to _prioritize their efforts_. Given less available employees and the long list of things they need to work on (Champions, End of Dragons, keeping ANet alive, et cetera)... **If it means giving up on the Mac while the rest of GW2 can continue**, _I can see where they’re coming from._ (I’m with you there, I wish we had a few more months of notice. It’s hard on us Mac users and this is life. Circumstances don’t define us, our response to them does.)

> @"tetmikem.5608" said: > > @"nykur.2154" said: > > You can absolutely use Bootcamp Windows to play. It's not really that much patch work, it runs like a normal Windows install. The only difference is you get your drivers from the Boot Camp tool, and you have the option of using 3rd party video drivers to squeeze some more performance (bootcampdrivers.com, but that is indeed some patchwork at that point.) > > > > I definitely recommend trying it, anyone who has an Intel Mac. The Bootcamp tool is pretty self explanatory if you want to do a default install (has to be on your main/internal hard drive) but if you want to put it on an external, completely separate drive, that's also possible and there are some very thorough guides on how to do it step by step like [this one](https://medium.com/@transferx23/install-windows-10-on-an-external-hdd-or-ssd-with-boot-camp-under-macos-catalina-10-15-e0e315f2d48d). > > How much does it cost to run bootcamp? I presume you have to buy a copy of WIndows, right? As far as I know, yes. Here’s an article on how to get Windows for cheaper (or possibly free): https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/need-legal-cheap-windows-8-license-options/ (If you know a friend with a spare volume license key from their business, that works too.) **As for the cost of Bootcamp**, here’s Apple’s article on it: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201468 The tl;dr version for the cost is: **1) Getting Windows** like you mentioned **2) A lot of free hard drive space**: 64GB-128GB of free hard drive space for Windows + ~50GB for GW2 (That might be a struggle on 256GB internal hard drives, but I think it’s worth it to go internal. Depending on an external hard drive to run Windows means making sure that wire doesn’t disconnect/dislodge.) **3) Technical know-how and patience.** a) Macs weren’t designed to run on Windows. b) Drivers allow software to communicate with hardware. Since the Windows Bootcamp layer is different software from the Mac OS, Bootcamp Windows needs to install drivers to talk to all that hardware. (When I was a teenager in the 2000s, Windows software often broke too. :lol: I learned to troubleshoot PCs because of gaming and Windows’ issues.) If you don’t want to pay someone to Bootcamp your Mac for GW2, then the cost will be in a willingness to learn, time, and patience.

I see now, thank you everyone for your inputs! It’s great that we can discuss these in the forums to see how or if ideas work or not. > @"Khisanth.2948" said: > As mentioned already the game already allows people the choice of setting their in game clock to show UTC+0. > > If it is for messages there is a much better approach. They could make something that functions like the chat link codes. For example you could type in "doing guild missions at [&t 11:33pm]" and the message will automatically show up with the correct local time for whoever is reading the message. Clicking/hovering over it could show a countdown for the specified time. That chat link code is helpful thank you. :open_mouth: