Aluren.1896

> @Knox.8962 said:

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> In a raid scenario, you'll be sitting on 72.5% crit chance in full viper gear with group buffs (banners + spotter + fury).

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You are right, I didn't go into the test area to add those buffs making vigor upkeep much more likely.

> A raid buffed condi mirage would have 3084 condi damage. At a 72.5% crit chance, you'll self supply about 48.6% vigor from Critical Infusion. That makes the trait worth 75 Condi damage basically at a minimum. Any additional vigor uptime you get increases that number.

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> Bleed tick at 50% uptime Vigor (3159 Condi Damage) - 211.54

> Bleed tick at 100% uptime Vigor (3234 Condi Damage) - 216.04

> The difference between 50% uptime and 100% uptime comes out to be 2.13% of your condition damage (which is in the ballpark of 80% of your damage)

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> So the difference between the 100% uptime and 50% uptime you're virtually guaranteed to have is essentially a 1.67% DPS delta. That works out to be 570 DPS out of our 34.2k number. In a typical raid, you'll get some vigor from chronos sharing boons and druids depending on the builds, so the real delta is probably smaller than that %.

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So this damage assumes that the boss you are facing is in melee range. Did you have any testing from scepter?

So two classes giving Mirage buffs for vigor? Critical Infusion only counts for yourself with a 34% crit chance on most Viper builds...with no access to shatter on vigor otherwise you lose pistol dps. Sounds really conditional.

> @Esplen.3940 said:

> At the end of the day, the benchmark is there to compare how well you do to 100% performance, even if the 100% mark is really at around 110% (and therefore unreachable).

Then why is it being used as a justification that mirage has high damage if it is unreachable? 150 condition damage is about 9% of a full viper build. That means that there can be up to 9% variability in the 34k video posted above and that is at impossibly best.

So how are people getting perma vigor for that 150 condition damage? How is that a realistic buff to use during raid dps testing?