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Power has always been the meta damage type over 7 years. There have been condition builds that are meta within the larger power meta. But it has always been power.
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> @"Rauderi.8706" said:
> > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > None of the biggest MMO's or games on the market that are online prize solo play like the GW2 community does. Whilist FF14, WoW and WoW classic do better then GW2 and *in both games you have to wait for people to do things.*
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> I don't usually have to wait for *people*, but I do have to wait for the *clock timegate* in order to do something interesting or in line with my goals.
> I have to beg an interface workaround to group with people instead of waiting for a queue. It's honestly worse than other MMOs in that regard. "LOL Manifesto" all you want, but I'm doing a *lot* of "waiting to have fun" that I shouldn't be.
>
I haven't been on ff14 for awhile but when i was the average wait time for a raid was about 25mins for dps instant for tanks and about 10-15mins for healers. A little less for dungeons and trials. There's even a slight wait for Place of the dead around 8 or so mins on average quicker then peak times. But i do feel you a better interface would be better as not many are willing to LFG in map chat or LFG in the LFG system.
I honestly think most people are willing to wait on other people to do content, thats why the most popular games are team games, fortnite, overwatch, dota2, ff14 etc..
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> @"Mbelch.9028" said:
> > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > @"Mbelch.9028" said:
> > > > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > > > @"Mbelch.9028" said:
> > > > > > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > > > > Scrapper was never bad lmao.
> > > > > > What am i reading.
> > > > > > Tempest isnt performing at all what are we living in alternate universes?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Druids working yeah but the entire ranger class is quite over tuned right now.
> > > > > > We have less build diversity in favor of nolonger having to buy the expansions to be competitive thats what your feeling less specs work now then before.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dude who quit for forever and just came back says "Scrapper was never bad lmao."
> > > > > Ok pal.
> > > >
> > > > Scrapper was never bad and when did i say i quit forever?
> > > > I quit mesmers for sure.
> > > > Find me a quote somewhere i may quit completely if they lock duos out of 2v2 queue tho for sure. Because you didn't know how to a scrapper in the previous meta is on you man, personal responsibility take it, thats all you really have in pvp.
> > > >
> > > > Okay pal.
> > >
> > > Okay, pal, I'll find you a quote where you said you had quit PvP for years.
> > >
> > > > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > > Nearly two years later, condition is definitely dead and pvp is no better for it. All we have done is force condition users out of the game thus further reducing the player population. If you disagree with this notion state why i've just returned back to pvp been playing for a week now about 20 or so hours and looks like we are ruled by power burst meta and all mesmer builds have been gutted.
> > > >
> > > > Now that the dust has settled do you guys really think it was a good idea to destroy condition in pvp?
> > > > If so why? How has pvp gotten any better?
> > >
> > > Your post history is absent from 2017/18 to 2020.
> > >
> > > Scrappers weren't truly viable, save for one balance patch period where they overperformed and were nerfed back down. It's not even arguable.
> >
> > Good no where did it say i quit forever i did quit for 2 years and i came back and played atleast 200 games in feburary im pretty sure ive fought enough scrappers to realize they dont suck in that month
> >
> > Outside of that what a strawman you do realize that post is a about a month old and its pretty easy for some one to figure out a meta if a class is good or bad specially with prior exprience in said game mode in like 80hours of playing said game mode.
> >
> > Wow what a strawman...10/10
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> Your post makes no sense. You quit for two years (confirmed) and have come back to spew nonsensical posts about condis and power, and viable classes.
> I call you out on it to tell people who might be reading this not to listen to you.
> Good day.
> Edit to add: My "quit for forever" was to say... two years is an eternity in this game. Scrapper was not good for most of that time you were gone. Your saying it was never not bad is erroneous. This is just the first time I've personally called you out on your bad posts.
Dueled a scrapper at far for 7mins couldn't kill him as an so called OP mirage pre patch quite a few times bunker scrapper is has been great for some time if you haven't discovered it, its on you i've also been back for a month and have played many games and have gone thru the classes duel all the classes multiple times i have been sick over the past month i have been in game maybe maybe 30hours a week just pvping.
You can have your opinion but there were scrappers in gold 3 and plat if you werent they and they were thats on you man, i can't speak on any higher up as i'm not that good yet.
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> @"Mbelch.9028" said:
> > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > @"Mbelch.9028" said:
> > > > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > > Scrapper was never bad lmao.
> > > > What am i reading.
> > > > Tempest isnt performing at all what are we living in alternate universes?
> > > >
> > > > Druids working yeah but the entire ranger class is quite over tuned right now.
> > > > We have less build diversity in favor of nolonger having to buy the expansions to be competitive thats what your feeling less specs work now then before.
> > >
> > > Dude who quit for forever and just came back says "Scrapper was never bad lmao."
> > > Ok pal.
> >
> > Scrapper was never bad and when did i say i quit forever?
> > I quit mesmers for sure.
> > Find me a quote somewhere i may quit completely if they lock duos out of 2v2 queue tho for sure. Because you didn't know how to a scrapper in the previous meta is on you man, personal responsibility take it, thats all you really have in pvp.
> >
> > Okay pal.
>
> Okay, pal, I'll find you a quote where you said you had quit PvP for years.
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> > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > Nearly two years later, condition is definitely dead and pvp is no better for it. All we have done is force condition users out of the game thus further reducing the player population. If you disagree with this notion state why i've just returned back to pvp been playing for a week now about 20 or so hours and looks like we are ruled by power burst meta and all mesmer builds have been gutted.
> >
> > Now that the dust has settled do you guys really think it was a good idea to destroy condition in pvp?
> > If so why? How has pvp gotten any better?
>
> Your post history is absent from 2017/18 to 2020.
>
> Scrappers weren't truly viable, save for one balance patch period where they overperformed and were nerfed back down. It's not even arguable.
Good no where did it say i quit forever i did quit for 2 years and i came back and played atleast 200 games in feburary im pretty sure ive fought enough scrappers to realize they dont suck in that month
Outside of that what a strawman you do realize that post is a about a month old and its pretty easy for some one to figure out a meta if a class is good or bad specially with prior exprience in said game mode in like 80hours of playing said game mode.
Wow what a strawman...10/10
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> @"Mbelch.9028" said:
> > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > Scrapper was never bad lmao.
> > What am i reading.
> > Tempest isnt performing at all what are we living in alternate universes?
> >
> > Druids working yeah but the entire ranger class is quite over tuned right now.
> > We have less build diversity in favor of nolonger having to buy the expansions to be competitive thats what your feeling less specs work now then before.
>
> Dude who quit for forever and just came back says "Scrapper was never bad lmao."
> Ok pal.
Scrapper was never bad and when did i say i quit forever?
I quit mesmers for sure.
Find me a quote somewhere i may quit completely if they lock duos out of 2v2 queue tho for sure. Because you didn't know how to a scrapper in the previous meta is on you man, personal responsibility take it, thats all you really have in pvp.
Okay pal.
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FIrst thing is put down the mesmer.
Trust me it gonna be the best thing you do this entire patch.
And no thieves are not the issue.
I didn't think it would start so soon tbh...
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> @"Paradoxoglanis.1904" said:
> > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > @"Paradoxoglanis.1904" said:
> > > Mirage's existence is a paradox. It is continuously nerfed into oblivion, yet has always been op. I dont know how people can still argue about balance. The class is broken by design, and will remain a problem until mirage cloak and its respective traits are reworked.
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> > >
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> > No its not broken by design at all its just player salt being interpreted as fact, instead is should be ignored and put on fries. The day they nerfed confusion damage mirage was mid tier. Its the same as every mmo with a stealth mechanic and people complaining about said stealth mechanic but in those games DEVs have the intelligence to ignore them since its such an old mechanic.
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> > Mesmers are new and i truly believe the DEVs just didn't know how to handle the salt as this was there own baby in every way and they succumbed to the forum tears and this is the result a dead class.
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> > Edited : For clarity.
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> Evading while performing other actions is objectively op. It has nothing to do with salt, damage output, or what the meta classes currently are. Gw2 has always been a game where you succeed by outplaying your opponent through superior game knowledge and mechanical skill. Mirage cloak removes many layers of this, and allows mirage players to ignore gameplay elements that add depth and skill to combat. Watching for animations, telegraphs, player movement and position is what gw2 pvp is based around. Mirage cloak removes the need for skillful timing of attacks around defensive actions and offensive pressure, and it allows the player to be careless yet remain relatively unpunished when using telegraphed skills and having poor positioning.
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> The same can be said about stealth, which is why as you said, people complain about stealth in every mmo with pvp. Being invisible removes the knowledge of player movement and position from the fight, and it usually guarantees the opportunity to strike first. It doesnt mean that stealth classes are always meta, it just means they are designed to always have an advantage that often has no counter. If you are honestly defending the mechanics behind mirage, you are either biased or have some strange ideas on competitive game design.
No you really have no idea how hard it is to not die as a mesmer if your seen or if you press any buttons, most mirages don't die because we end up not using any of our skills in fights and reserve them to run because we have no staying power at all pre and post nerf mirage. Please play one and show record it and show me this mirage that can facetank and survive a Necro or a Ranger unloading everything on them.
This is why Mirage utility bar is 3 escapes most of the time.
Because we dont have infinite dodges and we are very squishy.
If its not 3 its 2 with the 3 being arcane thievery which also doubled as a escape because of superspeed but now speedspeed trait is trash so theres that.
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> @"AliamRationem.5172" said:
> > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > @"AliamRationem.5172" said:
> > > > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > > > @"AliamRationem.5172" said:
> > > > > > @"Genesis.5169" said:
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> > > > > > > > @"Genesis.5169" said:
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> > > > > > > > > > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"AliamRationem.5172" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AliamRationem.5172" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can just find a Duo if you think they have that much of an advantage. Thats what i did last night and today, but even so when i solo queue i have beaten duo queues many times its really a matter of skill to few people are involved to call it coordination you can do that with just "attack my target" targeting.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your losing because of you and no one else learn to pvp man.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > That's anecdotal and doesn't really address the issue, which is pretty clear. Having a duo of classes that compliment each other is a much greater advantage in 2v2 than it is in 5v5, even if all other factors are equal. They really shouldn't allow duo and solo queue to mix in 2v2.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > There's no issue to address thats the point of my post.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > That it doesn't bother you doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You tacitly admit that it does, in fact. I guess my question would be why would you be against improving the competitiveness of 2v2 matchmaking?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It does not exist because it doesn't coordination between 2 people on a small map which only objective is to kill the enemy can be done easily with "Attack my Target". This is a fact if your being beaten its because they are better then you not because they are in a duo.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yeah, right. You just focus target and the other team loses. Flawless logic!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > And synergy? What's that? Choosing classes at random will totally be the 2v2 meta. Just wait and see!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Seriously, guy?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Synergy is a different matter altogether thats on you if you would rather be with a specific class you have the option to do so. Your argument is about unbalanced gameplay not match ups they will ever be equal unless its a mirror and even then its not equal because player skill is involved. As i said this is a non issue.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And out of curiosity if you care enough to come to the forums and complain about duos and how strong they are why have you not looked for a partner its not very hard to find one, and you only need one unlike 5 in a regular mode. The barrier to entry to make your own overpowered (sarcasm, premades are not overpowered) premade is quite small whats stopping you?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I didn't come to the forums to complain about anything. You have me confused with someone else. I simply observed that the OP has a point and that duo queue is an advantage over solo queue. You don't seem to want to address that point directly. I don't blame you. It's a losing argument. I think the better reason to keep it the way it is is that splitting the pool of players in queue isn't feasible with a population that is too small to begin with.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Otherwise, it's sort of a no-brainer, isn't it? A level playing field is better for competition than an un-level one. Wouldn't you agree? Or are you just going to barf up this same tired response that basically amounts to "git gud" as if I were complaining about anything? Based on recent history, I think I already know the answer...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thats what you have done and you are currently doing. There's no such thing as a leveled playing field in pvp. Your attempt to make one will destroy pvp as people like you did before after 7 years you still haven't learned your lesson you would rather come here and complain and remove features out of the game then rather learn it and adapt. And you've ignored my second question.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So your advocating to remove duos out of the regular queue because you don't want to duo even tho you think its OP even if its not, so instead of making your own duo you and people like you come and and complain that you lost to better players and make excuses for you loss. Its a no Brainer, you think duos are that OP make one if you issue is with specficly being with one class find a guy who plays it and play it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your silver BECAUSE OF YOU no one is forcing you to play a solo no one is forcing you to play a trash class, they killed mirage you know what i did? I played it for 3 days tried to make it work and left the class. What you should do is try making your own duo instead of coming here to ruin pvp again. Then you will realize having a duo doesnt get your wins having good players does.
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> > > > > > just because you get a duo doesn't mean you will move up in rank.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And here a hypothetical for you you think 2 plat randoms on the same team can beat 2 duo silvers?
> > > > >
> > > > > So, I went back through the thread because I just can't figure out who you think you're talking to here. Who said they were stuck in silver? Who complained about their class being disadvantaged? Who advocated removing duo queue? I don't see that anywhere in this thread. It's pretty incredible, but as far as I can tell you fabricated all of that out of nowhere and then started railing against it! That's pretty special...
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> > > > OP is advocating for removing solo's from DUO, because people are advocating removing DUO's from queue's in general i assume this was a thread posting was in satire, sorry if its not, i find it odd that some one is advocating for only team based content on these forums.
> > >
> > > Well, these people you refer to don't seem to have participated in this thread and you aren't replying to the OP. You're replying to me. So how about you try to get all that sorted out in your head and reply to what I'm saying and not all this other stuff that you attribute to me so you can continue your straw man rant?
> > >
> > > Moot point now. I think we've said what needed to be said. But you'd save yourself a lot of pointless argument in the future if you'd be more concise and stop allowing all of your little pet peeves to invade the conversation when they bear no relevance to the subject matter.
> >
> > Sorry no i edited my post i thought i was in another thread my comments well well pointed towards you.
>
> Thanks! Glad we sorted that out at last! I figured it must be something like that.
Sorry it wasn't read the re edit.
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> @"AliamRationem.5172" said:
> > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > @"AliamRationem.5172" said:
> > > > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > > > @"AliamRationem.5172" said:
> > > > > > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > > > > > @"AliamRationem.5172" said:
> > > > > > > > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"AliamRationem.5172" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"AliamRationem.5172" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > You can just find a Duo if you think they have that much of an advantage. Thats what i did last night and today, but even so when i solo queue i have beaten duo queues many times its really a matter of skill to few people are involved to call it coordination you can do that with just "attack my target" targeting.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Your losing because of you and no one else learn to pvp man.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > That's anecdotal and doesn't really address the issue, which is pretty clear. Having a duo of classes that compliment each other is a much greater advantage in 2v2 than it is in 5v5, even if all other factors are equal. They really shouldn't allow duo and solo queue to mix in 2v2.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > There's no issue to address thats the point of my post.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > That it doesn't bother you doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You tacitly admit that it does, in fact. I guess my question would be why would you be against improving the competitiveness of 2v2 matchmaking?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It does not exist because it doesn't coordination between 2 people on a small map which only objective is to kill the enemy can be done easily with "Attack my Target". This is a fact if your being beaten its because they are better then you not because they are in a duo.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yeah, right. You just focus target and the other team loses. Flawless logic!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And synergy? What's that? Choosing classes at random will totally be the 2v2 meta. Just wait and see!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Seriously, guy?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Synergy is a different matter altogether thats on you if you would rather be with a specific class you have the option to do so. Your argument is about unbalanced gameplay not match ups they will ever be equal unless its a mirror and even then its not equal because player skill is involved. As i said this is a non issue.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And out of curiosity if you care enough to come to the forums and complain about duos and how strong they are why have you not looked for a partner its not very hard to find one, and you only need one unlike 5 in a regular mode. The barrier to entry to make your own overpowered (sarcasm, premades are not overpowered) premade is quite small whats stopping you?
> > > > >
> > > > > I didn't come to the forums to complain about anything. You have me confused with someone else. I simply observed that the OP has a point and that duo queue is an advantage over solo queue. You don't seem to want to address that point directly. I don't blame you. It's a losing argument. I think the better reason to keep it the way it is is that splitting the pool of players in queue isn't feasible with a population that is too small to begin with.
> > > > >
> > > > > Otherwise, it's sort of a no-brainer, isn't it? A level playing field is better for competition than an un-level one. Wouldn't you agree? Or are you just going to barf up this same tired response that basically amounts to "git gud" as if I were complaining about anything? Based on recent history, I think I already know the answer...
> > > >
> > > > Thats what you have done and you are currently doing. There's no such thing as a leveled playing field in pvp. Your attempt to make one will destroy pvp as people like you did before after 7 years you still haven't learned your lesson you would rather come here and complain and remove features out of the game then rather learn it and adapt. And you've ignored my second question.
> > > >
> > > > So your advocating to remove duos out of the regular queue because you don't want to duo even tho you think its OP even if its not, so instead of making your own duo you and people like you come and and complain that you lost to better players and make excuses for you loss. Its a no Brainer, you think duos are that OP make one if you issue is with specficly being with one class find a guy who plays it and play it.
> > > >
> > > > Your silver BECAUSE OF YOU no one is forcing you to play a solo no one is forcing you to play a trash class, they killed mirage you know what i did? I played it for 3 days tried to make it work and left the class. What you should do is try making your own duo instead of coming here to ruin pvp again. Then you will realize having a duo doesnt get your wins having good players does.
> > > >
> > > > just because you get a duo doesn't mean you will move up in rank.
> > > >
> > > > And here a hypothetical for you you think 2 plat randoms on the same team can beat 2 duo silvers?
> > >
> > > So, I went back through the thread because I just can't figure out who you think you're talking to here. Who said they were stuck in silver? Who complained about their class being disadvantaged? Who advocated removing duo queue? I don't see that anywhere in this thread. It's pretty incredible, but as far as I can tell you fabricated all of that out of nowhere and then started railing against it! That's pretty special...
> > >
> >
> > OP is advocating for removing solo's from DUO, because people are advocating removing DUO's from queue's in general i assume this was a thread posting was in satire, sorry if its not, i find it odd that some one is advocating for only team based content on these forums.
>
> Well, these people you refer to don't seem to have participated in this thread and you aren't replying to the OP. You're replying to me. So how about you try to get all that sorted out in your head and reply to what I'm saying and not all this other stuff that you attribute to me so you can continue your straw man rant?
>
> Moot point now. I think we've said what needed to be said. But you'd save yourself a lot of pointless argument in the future if you'd be more concise and stop allowing all of your little pet peeves to invade the conversation when they bear no relevance to the subject matter.
Sorry no i edited my post i thought i was in another thread my comments were well pointed towards you.
You also ignored my 4k win 46% win rate with a premade for 10 years.
You almost got me and moved the goal post im at work trying to pay attention to these two threads. You clearly said duos have a huge advantage you said I said just to get good with no explainations Ignored why you don't want a party and ignored my 4k games @ 46% win rate as not imperical evidence that premades do not carry and went out of you way to ignore it and try to back peddal out of your statements.
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> @"AliamRationem.5172" said:
> > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > @"AliamRationem.5172" said:
> > > > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > > > @"AliamRationem.5172" said:
> > > > > > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > > > > > @"AliamRationem.5172" said:
> > > > > > > > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"AliamRationem.5172" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > > > > > > > > You can just find a Duo if you think they have that much of an advantage. Thats what i did last night and today, but even so when i solo queue i have beaten duo queues many times its really a matter of skill to few people are involved to call it coordination you can do that with just "attack my target" targeting.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Your losing because of you and no one else learn to pvp man.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > That's anecdotal and doesn't really address the issue, which is pretty clear. Having a duo of classes that compliment each other is a much greater advantage in 2v2 than it is in 5v5, even if all other factors are equal. They really shouldn't allow duo and solo queue to mix in 2v2.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There's no issue to address thats the point of my post.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That it doesn't bother you doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You tacitly admit that it does, in fact. I guess my question would be why would you be against improving the competitiveness of 2v2 matchmaking?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It does not exist because it doesn't coordination between 2 people on a small map which only objective is to kill the enemy can be done easily with "Attack my Target". This is a fact if your being beaten its because they are better then you not because they are in a duo.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah, right. You just focus target and the other team loses. Flawless logic!
> > > > >
> > > > > And synergy? What's that? Choosing classes at random will totally be the 2v2 meta. Just wait and see!
> > > > >
> > > > > Seriously, guy?
> > > >
> > > > Synergy is a different matter altogether thats on you if you would rather be with a specific class you have the option to do so. Your argument is about unbalanced gameplay not match ups they will ever be equal unless its a mirror and even then its not equal because player skill is involved. As i said this is a non issue.
> > > >
> > > > And out of curiosity if you care enough to come to the forums and complain about duos and how strong they are why have you not looked for a partner its not very hard to find one, and you only need one unlike 5 in a regular mode. The barrier to entry to make your own overpowered (sarcasm, premades are not overpowered) premade is quite small whats stopping you?
> > >
> > > I didn't come to the forums to complain about anything. You have me confused with someone else. I simply observed that the OP has a point and that duo queue is an advantage over solo queue. You don't seem to want to address that point directly. I don't blame you. It's a losing argument. I think the better reason to keep it the way it is is that splitting the pool of players in queue isn't feasible with a population that is too small to begin with.
> > >
> > > Otherwise, it's sort of a no-brainer, isn't it? A level playing field is better for competition than an un-level one. Wouldn't you agree? Or are you just going to barf up this same tired response that basically amounts to "git gud" as if I were complaining about anything? Based on recent history, I think I already know the answer...
> >
> > Thats what you have done and you are currently doing. There's no such thing as a leveled playing field in pvp. Your attempt to make one will destroy pvp as people like you did before after 7 years you still haven't learned your lesson you would rather come here and complain and remove features out of the game then rather learn it and adapt. And you've ignored my second question.
> >
> > So your advocating to remove duos out of the regular queue because you don't want to duo even tho you think its OP even if its not, so instead of making your own duo you and people like you come and and complain that you lost to better players and make excuses for you loss. Its a no Brainer, you think duos are that OP make one if you issue is with specficly being with one class find a guy who plays it and play it.
> >
> > Your silver BECAUSE OF YOU no one is forcing you to play a solo no one is forcing you to play a trash class, they killed mirage you know what i did? I played it for 3 days tried to make it work and left the class. What you should do is try making your own duo instead of coming here to ruin pvp again. Then you will realize having a duo doesnt get your wins having good players does.
> >
> > just because you get a duo doesn't mean you will move up in rank.
> >
> > And here a hypothetical for you you think 2 plat randoms on the same team can beat 2 duo silvers?
>
> So, I went back through the thread because I just can't figure out who you think you're talking to here. Who said they were stuck in silver? Who complained about their class being disadvantaged? Who advocated removing duo queue? I don't see that anywhere in this thread. It's pretty incredible, but as far as I can tell you fabricated all of that out of nowhere and then started railing against it! That's pretty special...
>
> @"AliamRationem.5172" said:
> > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > @"AliamRationem.5172" said:
> > > > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > > > @"AliamRationem.5172" said:
> > > > > > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > > > > > @"AliamRationem.5172" said:
> > > > > > > > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > > > > > > You can just find a Duo if you think they have that much of an advantage. Thats what i did last night and today, but even so when i solo queue i have beaten duo queues many times its really a matter of skill to few people are involved to call it coordination you can do that with just "attack my target" targeting.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Your losing because of you and no one else learn to pvp man.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That's anecdotal and doesn't really address the issue, which is pretty clear. Having a duo of classes that compliment each other is a much greater advantage in 2v2 than it is in 5v5, even if all other factors are equal. They really shouldn't allow duo and solo queue to mix in 2v2.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There's no issue to address thats the point of my post.
> > > > >
> > > > > That it doesn't bother you doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You tacitly admit that it does, in fact. I guess my question would be why would you be against improving the competitiveness of 2v2 matchmaking?
> > > >
> > > > It does not exist because it doesn't coordination between 2 people on a small map which only objective is to kill the enemy can be done easily with "Attack my Target". This is a fact if your being beaten its because they are better then you not because they are in a duo.
> > >
> > > Yeah, right. You just focus target and the other team loses. Flawless logic!
> > >
> > > And synergy? What's that? Choosing classes at random will totally be the 2v2 meta. Just wait and see!
> > >
> > > Seriously, guy?
> >
> > Synergy is a different matter altogether thats on you if you would rather be with a specific class you have the option to do so. Your argument is about unbalanced gameplay not match ups they will ever be equal unless its a mirror and even then its not equal because player skill is involved. As i said this is a non issue.
> >
> > And out of curiosity if you care enough to come to the forums and complain about duos and how strong they are why have you not looked for a partner its not very hard to find one, and you only need one unlike 5 in a regular mode. The barrier to entry to make your own overpowered (sarcasm, premades are not overpowered) premade is quite small whats stopping you?
>
> I didn't come to the forums to complain about anything. You have me confused with someone else. I simply observed that the OP has a point and that duo queue is an advantage over solo queue. You don't seem to want to address that point directly. I don't blame you. It's a losing argument. I think the better reason to keep it the way it is is that splitting the pool of players in queue isn't feasible with a population that is too small to begin with.
>
> Otherwise, it's sort of a no-brainer, isn't it? A level playing field is better for competition than an un-level one. Wouldn't you agree? Or are you just going to barf up this same tired response that basically amounts to "git gud" as if I were complaining about anything? Based on recent history, I think I already know the answer...
Nah you said it here duo has an advantage over everyone by alot.
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Its really only lich form tbh, but thats all im going to say i really want to see if the forums are all in with FB's even tho 3 other classes right now are far superior in every way.
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None of the biggest MMO's or games on the market that are online prize solo play like the GW2 community does. Whilist FF14, WoW and WoW classic do better then GW2 and in both games you have to wait for people to do things.
Its not the world thats wrong here.
And the community continuously push anet in that same direction that has been killing it since the nerf of HoT and al that remain left are the hopefuls and the players who pushed everyone else away with their false claims. It astounds me then in the current place GW2 is people continue to tow the same line that got us here. Its never been constructive and it isn't its just been a wave of people who complain about not being able to do things they don't even attempt like raids and fotm cms then they boycott it and complain on the forums.
People need to look at themselves you want to know why GW2 didn't hold on to you look no further then yourself, we have killed under water combat, raids, fotm cms, (strike missions soon), PoF (yes im saying this during pof launch more people where doing HoT maps even post nerfs because HoT was better), old orr, original HoT. Yet no one asks to refine any of the unique mechanics that make gw2 different either but instead would rather make GW2 play more like a traditional MMO then GW2, see the countless post about better usage of combo fields.
Hell when mounts came out a bunch of people demanded that they shouldnt be used in tyria because of jumping puzzles and this is single player content wtf does it matter to you if some one is having a easier time doing a jump puzzle.
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> @"Jojo.6140" said:
> No, finding a duo partner is not easy. Its about as hard as finding a good raid group in lfg while you have no kp. So possible ofc, but not easy as some claim it to be.
>
> I dont really think due q has to be removed, but it would be good if matching duo-teams against each other and randoms against each other has a higher priority for the matchmaker.
I believe this is already how it is set up. Your more likely to queue against another duo, if there are no duos you go into open queue.
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Adding this post here as its relevant to the discussion.
Let me add some more context to this aswell.
This is 10 years of what premades are in a competitive game mode.
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/37778079/matches
Almost 4 thousand games 46.3% win rate you can check all my games i'm always in no lower then a 3stack u can look at my stack by looking at who im bracketed with dota2 has open queues premades can make up with solo's duos triples or quads. Again i have a 46.3% win rate over a decade. This clear proof that a premade isnt a carry skill is.
Also these would be the same people i'd be bring to gw2 or not based on the removal or retention of team queues, again proving my point is all your going to do is reduce the playerbase because you can't get your win.
Incase its bugged my usual partners are Proph3t, Arcadian, Azure Zakuro.
We had troubles finding a 5th so our 5th will be inbetween Mojo Priest, another 2 ppl who kept changing there names so i can't remember.
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Let me add some more context to this aswell.
This is 10 years of what premades are in a competitive game mode.
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/37778079/matches
Almost 4 thousand games 46.3% win rate you can check all my games i'm always in no lower then a 3stack u can look at my stack by looking at who im bracketed with dota2 has open queues premades can make up with solo's duos triples or quads. Again i have a 46.3% win rate over a decade. This clear proof that a premade isnt a carry skill is.
Also these would be the same people i'd be bring to gw2 or not based on the removal or retention of team queues, again proving my point is all your going to do is reduce the playerbase because you can't get your win.
Incase its bugged my usual partners are Proph3t, Arcadian, Azure Zakuro.
We had troubles finding a 5th so our 5th will be inbetween Mojo Priest, another 2 ppl who kept changing there names so i can't remember. I would like to play with these same people in GW2 they are currently playing ff14 and dota2 they are interested in pvp but not interest in not being able to play together, this is what i means im sure im not the only one with friends who play video games together.
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> @"Eurantien.4632" said:
> > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > Scrapper was never bad lmao.
> > What am i reading.
> > Tempest isnt performing at all what are we living in alternate universes?
> >
> > Druids working yeah but the entire ranger class is quite over tuned right now.
> > We have less build diversity in favor of nolonger having to buy the expansions to be competitive thats what your feeling less specs work now then before.
>
> Doesn't feel overturned to me when it has little to no place in 2v2 or 5v5s
I'd protect my class too not mad at all. Honestly, fear the kinda nerfs you'd take if anet would nerf you so ill agree with you :heart:
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> @"kratan.4619" said:
> > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > No, solo queue is a great way to find partners for duo queue. Please do not break up and destroy pvp like you guys did before. Seven years of people like this influencing pvp got us nothing but dead pvp till now.
> >
> > Last thing we need to do is give these people a voice again its been proven they have no idea what there talking about and there ideas make people who are willing to learn and go thru the deaths and the pain of actually learning to pvp quit. And on a side note this game has an issue with forming a party for anything raids are hard to get going Fotm CMs are too even strike missions.
> >
> > Last thing you guys need to do anet is no tincentivize team based play as lack of it is one of the reason why this game has no longevity like Dota2 or a fighter or any arena based game as you punish people for just partying and given no gear grind power crept and no new traits coming from pvp the only reason to play this game for a longer set of time is just because your playing with people you like this is why i have suck with dota2 for so long.
> >
> > Competitive game modes thrive on people playing with and against each other don't take half of it away if you will half of pvp will leave.
>
> Exactly, if the two queues were separated you can always join the solo queue only games to find your duo partner that you can then go to the duo queue to play cooperatively. "Go thru the deaths and the pain" must mean that to get good you must first be pwned over and over by class synergy.communication advantages before you can "Git Gud"? Not exactly sure how that would help at all. It is clear from your posts that you want them kept together simply so you can run around and pwn noobs instead of looking for any form of legitimate compettition.
One must lose over and over again till finally get good, yes.
I lost prolly 800 matches in tekken 7 before i won 100 matches.
Same with dota2
Same with Streetfighter.
Same with darksouls.
Every game where there's human to human interaction i have gotten my ass kicked before i can kick it, i don't think this is rare this is a quite common occurrence first sucking then sucking less then eventually not sucking at all then eventually if u try you become good. Its crazy the stark the difference of communities fighting game communities already understand their games are hard and often to no play to in at first but to learn, most folks accept there loses and goto the lab, sure there's alot of salt but on the discords forums and reddit there's always some one saying "let me see your replay" to offer advice and they always say "yeah this game is hard you get there eventually don't give up its not the character".
This is a virtue i encourage, and you should too i want it kept together because the sanctity of playing with my friends or you playing with your friends in a open setting is more important then your tears or mines, and i really believe no team based queue in 5v5s is one of the biggest reasons of pvp original decline.
So i say this to you.
Guild Wars 2 pvp is hard it requires more action per minute then your standard mmo only thing that comes close is TERA online, perhaps i can help you in where your losing maybe post a replay and youtube so we can get you started and ill help you find a duo too if you'd like.
Edited : Clarity
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> @"Fueki.4753" said:
> > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > You should answer the question as you will realize skill matters before anything else in a game mode thats facing other players not AI
> You realize that in GW2, the build is a much bigger factor than individual skill, right?
>
No i don't realize this because the mechanics of pvp is not a point an click MMO were all your skills auto target. Application of your skills is almost 100% skill based. And there it is again finding excuses outside yourself for loses or some one elses wins.
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> @"Jayden Reese.9542" said:
> Gene your argument is flawed. Just whispering a dude in mist going wanna duo for a few matches then picking diff guy to duo an hour later is different then having a buddy who you spec to compliment with and duo only with him. Sure if I grab a random guy to duo que just for the sake of I'm a duo now every day I will still lose to solo's. So just saying duo yourself is flawed. You mean find 1 dude to duo forever and spec to compliment is not super easy or wanted by a solo player. I don't see why you are arguing with evening the playing field when we a stuck with this as only ranked option atm. Some people just want to solo que vs solo que but no duo wants to only go vs duo que only and the reason is obvious. They don't want to see their w/l rate go down
All my duo partners were randoms till i played with them after 10 games.
I went out and looked for some one what complimented my profession.
My first partner in solo queue whispered me and we played 6 games together, my seconds i found myself and we played 10 games together i had no idea if he was or or bad in both situtation's i made the attempt to make a team and it worked out.
> @"Jayden Reese.9542" said:
> 2 plat rando vs 2 silvers. I didn't even see that nonsense. Wow don't reply plz to my prior comment. I just can't
You should answer the question as you will realize skill matters before anything else in a game mode thats facing other players not AI you can't nerf your way to prominence here unlike in pve its not scripted every encounter is gonna be different skill levels will vary and you will lose to better players duo or not.
And yeah i know you just can't, you just can't make a party, get better at pvp, just cant get any wins so you come here to remove feature and section of the community again hoping that some how you'll get your ranks that way.
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No its been mesmers but were dead so its you now lol.
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No, solo queue is a great way to find partners for duo queue. Please do not break up and destroy pvp like you guys did before. Seven years of people like this influencing pvp got us nothing but dead pvp till now.
Last thing we need to do is give these people a voice again its been proven they have no idea what there talking about and there ideas make people who are willing to learn and go thru the deaths and the pain of actually learning to pvp quit. And on a side note this game has an issue with forming a party for anything raids are hard to get going Fotm CMs are too even strike missions.
Last thing you guys need to do anet is no tincentivize team based play as lack of it is one of the reason why this game has no longevity like Dota2 or a fighter or any arena based game as you punish people for just partying and given no gear grind power crept and no new traits coming from pvp the only reason to play this game for a longer set of time is just because your playing with people you like this is why i have suck with dota2 for so long.
Competitive game modes thrive on people playing with and against each other don't take half of it away if you will half of pvp will leave.
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Scrapper was never bad lmao.
What am i reading.
Tempest isnt performing at all what are we living in alternate universes?
Druids working yeah but the entire ranger class is quite over tuned right now.
We have less build diversity in favor of nolonger having to buy the expansions to be competitive thats what your feeling less specs work now then before.
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> @"AliamRationem.5172" said:
> > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > @"AliamRationem.5172" said:
> > > > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > > > @"AliamRationem.5172" said:
> > > > > > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > > > > > @"AliamRationem.5172" said:
> > > > > > > > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > > > > > > You can just find a Duo if you think they have that much of an advantage. Thats what i did last night and today, but even so when i solo queue i have beaten duo queues many times its really a matter of skill to few people are involved to call it coordination you can do that with just "attack my target" targeting.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Your losing because of you and no one else learn to pvp man.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That's anecdotal and doesn't really address the issue, which is pretty clear. Having a duo of classes that compliment each other is a much greater advantage in 2v2 than it is in 5v5, even if all other factors are equal. They really shouldn't allow duo and solo queue to mix in 2v2.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There's no issue to address thats the point of my post.
> > > > >
> > > > > That it doesn't bother you doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You tacitly admit that it does, in fact. I guess my question would be why would you be against improving the competitiveness of 2v2 matchmaking?
> > > >
> > > > It does not exist because it doesn't coordination between 2 people on a small map which only objective is to kill the enemy can be done easily with "Attack my Target". This is a fact if your being beaten its because they are better then you not because they are in a duo.
> > >
> > > Yeah, right. You just focus target and the other team loses. Flawless logic!
> > >
> > > And synergy? What's that? Choosing classes at random will totally be the 2v2 meta. Just wait and see!
> > >
> > > Seriously, guy?
> >
> > Synergy is a different matter altogether thats on you if you would rather be with a specific class you have the option to do so. Your argument is about unbalanced gameplay not match ups they will ever be equal unless its a mirror and even then its not equal because player skill is involved. As i said this is a non issue.
> >
> > And out of curiosity if you care enough to come to the forums and complain about duos and how strong they are why have you not looked for a partner its not very hard to find one, and you only need one unlike 5 in a regular mode. The barrier to entry to make your own overpowered (sarcasm, premades are not overpowered) premade is quite small whats stopping you?
>
> I didn't come to the forums to complain about anything. You have me confused with someone else. I simply observed that the OP has a point and that duo queue is an advantage over solo queue. You don't seem to want to address that point directly. I don't blame you. It's a losing argument. I think the better reason to keep it the way it is is that splitting the pool of players in queue isn't feasible with a population that is too small to begin with.
>
> Otherwise, it's sort of a no-brainer, isn't it? A level playing field is better for competition than an un-level one. Wouldn't you agree? Or are you just going to barf up this same tired response that basically amounts to "git gud" as if I were complaining about anything? Based on recent history, I think I already know the answer...
Thats what you have done and you are currently doing. There's no such thing as a leveled playing field in pvp. Your attempt to make one will destroy pvp as people like you did before after 7 years you still haven't learned your lesson you would rather come here and complain and remove features out of the game then rather learn it and adapt. And you've ignored my second question.
So your advocating to remove duos out of the regular queue because you don't want to duo even tho you think its OP even if its not, so instead of making your own duo you and people like you come and and complain that you lost to better players and make excuses for you loss. Its a no Brainer, you think duos are that OP make one if you issue is with specficly being with one class find a guy who plays it and play it.
Your silver BECAUSE OF YOU no one is forcing you to play a solo no one is forcing you to play a trash class, they killed mirage you know what i did? I played it for 3 days tried to make it work and left the class. What you should do is try making your own duo instead of coming here to ruin pvp again. Then you will realize having a duo doesnt get your wins having good players does.
just because you get a duo doesn't mean you will move up in rank.
And here a hypothetical for you you think 2 plat randoms on the same team can beat 2 duo silvers?
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> @"AliamRationem.5172" said:
> > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > @"AliamRationem.5172" said:
> > > > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > > > @"AliamRationem.5172" said:
> > > > > > @"Genesis.5169" said:
> > > > > > You can just find a Duo if you think they have that much of an advantage. Thats what i did last night and today, but even so when i solo queue i have beaten duo queues many times its really a matter of skill to few people are involved to call it coordination you can do that with just "attack my target" targeting.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your losing because of you and no one else learn to pvp man.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's anecdotal and doesn't really address the issue, which is pretty clear. Having a duo of classes that compliment each other is a much greater advantage in 2v2 than it is in 5v5, even if all other factors are equal. They really shouldn't allow duo and solo queue to mix in 2v2.
> > > >
> > > > There's no issue to address thats the point of my post.
> > >
> > > That it doesn't bother you doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You tacitly admit that it does, in fact. I guess my question would be why would you be against improving the competitiveness of 2v2 matchmaking?
> >
> > It does not exist because it doesn't coordination between 2 people on a small map which only objective is to kill the enemy can be done easily with "Attack my Target". This is a fact if your being beaten its because they are better then you not because they are in a duo.
>
> Yeah, right. You just focus target and the other team loses. Flawless logic!
>
> And synergy? What's that? Choosing classes at random will totally be the 2v2 meta. Just wait and see!
>
> Seriously, guy?
Synergy is a different matter altogether thats on you if you would rather be with a specific class you have the option to do so. Your argument is about unbalanced gameplay not match ups they will never be equal unless its a mirror and even then its not equal because player skill is involved. As i said this is a non issue.
And out of curiosity if you care enough to come to the forums and complain about duos and how strong they are why have you not looked for a partner its not very hard to find one, and you only need one unlike 5 in a regular mode. The barrier to entry to make your own overpowered (sarcasm, premades are not overpowered) premade is quite small whats stopping you?
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Dont worry you wont lose rating and it will fix it self happened to me last night.