Hitomi Shadowleaf.5629

> @"Saint Sated.2698" said:

> https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Statue_of_Kalla_Scorchrazor.jpg

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> Where's my greatsword

She has shortbow on weapon swap guy, duh.

I dont agree that the raid collection needs to be redone, the openworld pve stuff is minor.

I do think that a legendary armor set should be added to at the very least T4 fractals with more progression available through doing CMs.

Im iffy about open world legendary armor but if as lengthy a process as WvW that would be fine.

The biggest issue with legendary armor is that its confined to such a small audience.I do raids and im fairly new but its so difficult to get into parties. Elitism is rampant, saying your new outside of a Raid academy party is a guaranteed kick. Not to mention ppl saying casual raid group then asking for 75 kps on joining said group.

Looks good, not another rit spec asking for more kalla. So point their.

Dhuum theme is good. Devs have already said that time lines dont matter to Rev. So this spec could be channeling dhuum from a different era with more domains under his control.

I dont like the elite much, maybe lifesteal instead?

As for ppl saying we dont need another good single target weapon. I disagree, we need a reason to stop camping sword / sword or remove staff from in perma static slot as 2nd weapon. This could be it.

@"Sobx.1758" Honest IDK what @"Thornwolf.9721" talking about in WoW Fury warrior's redesign (going from dual weilding 2 1handed weapons to 2 2handed weapons) brought me back to the game. FFXIV redesign and retooling of the monk got me to do back to them game. Elite specializations in GW2 is akin to getting 10+ lvls + some new skills in more traditional MMOs, the only difference is you dont have to regrind gear and can enjoy the story.

> @"zaswer.5246" said:

> I think the herald itself should be reworked completely with renegade , make renegade completely focused on healing and suport and renegade completely focusedvon dmg.

> In fact it would be easy , just give herald an alacriti upkeep and make shield skills a bit stronger ( being able to move while blocking or having a block that pulses heal and cant be affected by for example VG blues would be good ) now change the gm trait that gives dmg when using upkeeps to something that increases the number of boons your upkeep gives and herald now is a strong support ,make it so it doesnt maintain the boons perma or its restricted to 6boons at a time and that works.

> For renegade you could make a trait that gives you a %dmg increase per summon you have up instead of the alac trait and you increase the dmg of both condi and power renegade , then tune down a bit the condi dmg a little bit if needed and done.

I like this idea, Alacrity fits better with Glint's theme and kit anyway and diviner's gear would be more useful cuz of all the boons glint provides. Kalla could get a more dps focused f3 that pushes condi damage (yes IK alacrity helps with condi too) or focus on dps with f2. The biggest issue with glint atm is that while it does provide boons it doesn't provide enough to put it into raids while alacrity alone is enough to put Kalla into raid meta as power.

Edit: This will probably change if we ever get a stats like +Condition damage / + Expertise / + Concentration which will make Glint extinct in PvE in its current state outside of Open World.

Please note I am look strictly at PvE.

Nope it's too much work for not enough people to use it. I'd prefer they work on existing classes, their faults and making them better than adding a new class. Elite specs are really interesting and add alot to refreshing classes.

I think Anet's time would be better spent fixing Revenant on a whole, Thief in High end PvE, Warrior in PvP , etc than building a new class to be shoehorned into the lore and the work to build core and 3 elite specs or worse core and 1 elite spec. Personally, I prefer them designing new weapons , armor , maps , legendaries , improving optimization, new features (gliding / mounts), more elite specs oh and WvW ... that needs some help too.

I think them adding a new Race is just as unlikely and new weapons are a pipe dream but possible, especially as warrior is starting to really need more weapons without going into mage territory / specter / staff (kind of) / focus / etc.

This comment is just my opinion.

@"Fueki.4753" You are right any weapon CAN be made into this weapon so why not go with the community favorite weapon? The Greatsword https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/12019/poll-weapon-for-the-next-revenant-elite-specialization/p1

It just seems like you NEED for it be not greatsword for whatever strange eccentric reason. 62% of the community wants it so it should be that weapon its really that simple. and this guy's concept is awesome.

Edit: AND YOU VOTED FOR LONGBOW ! A weapon with 2% we dont need ANOTHER ranged spec we JUST got one.

I used shield for like a week on the launch of HoT when I didnt know what Dps meant and though pve tanking in the open world was a good idea

> @"Funky.4861" said:

> Having never played gw1, i have no connection to any of the legends, and only slightly more knowledge of them.

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> Shiro is just some assassin who turned a sea into Jade by casting a spell, for whatever reason

> Jalis is some dwarf king with a jumping puzzle in a decrepit cave

> Ventari is a friendly centaur

> Mallyx is a stereotypical demon

> Glint i have the strongest connection to due to the expacs highlighting her role

> Kalla is just some female charr who might have led a warband or something

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> That's the height of emotion/care i have for the rev legends, so it doesn't surprise or concern me that there is no Norn legend, as i can't think of anything 'legendary' enough any Norn has done, except crybaby Braham who chipped Jormy's tooth and showed it could be killed, or Svanir whose death created the Sons of Svanir. Though to me, having Svanir as a legend would be akin to having Faolain, or some other racial antagonist. I haven't completed the Norn personal story (it's off-puttingly cliched and agenda-driven) so maybe there is some Norn lore exposition i'm missing out on, but in my opinion the Norn just aren't legendary enough as the beer-swilling braggarts the game portrays them as.

And that's why Rev isn't a class for ya. It literally for gw1 vets that its target audience. Hence why Thornwolf puts so much time and effort into what he puts out. As much as I may disagree with him on mechanics the man puts in so time to build GOOD ideas. Its honestly sad when people like you come here and just say story isn't important as the rev class in the MOST lore driven in game. Jora , Asegir , Eir & Svanir are all legends that would be worth exploring and thats just off the top of my head.

> @"Fueki.4753" said:

> > @"Hitomi Shadowleaf.5629" said:

> > Just wanna say I love this idea.

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> > > @"Randulf.7614" said:

> > > Revenants call upon echoes of once living spirits/characters. Who would it be channelling in this concept? Your idea can stand with a sentient sword (Marjory has something similar with her sword imbued by her sister's spirit), but it needs to have an actual Legend it can call upon

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> > Its not like they cant just add a random legend like they did before mean Kalla is a perfect example of that. St.Viktor is a good one tho , the kurzick background and he uses a katana to fight shiro so they match up pretty well imo.

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> The problem with St. Viktor and his Lxon counterpart, as well as Vizu, is that their legend is the same as Shiro's and Arenanet might not want two channels from the same legend.

No they aren't Archemorus , is a hero of the luxon people. He is was a winner of that decade's Convocation and the reason why he was at the harvest temple. Defeating shiro added to his legend but he was hero of the luxon's before shiro. The devs can easily expand the lore for that.

St.Viktor is the same, a legend of the kurzicks before shiro and that also the reason why he was at the harvest temple. The Kurzick background of singing and spirits are suitable for spec imo.

In reality the legendary Assassin channels Shiro not viktor , Archemorus , Nika or anyone other Canthan character (the dragon emperor / Togu / the exiled empresses etc).

Just wanna say I love this idea.

> @"Randulf.7614" said:

> Revenants call upon echoes of once living spirits/characters. Who would it be channelling in this concept? Your idea can stand with a sentient sword (Marjory has something similar with her sword imbued by her sister's spirit), but it needs to have an actual Legend it can call upon

Its not like they cant just add a random legend like they did before mean Kalla is a perfect example of that. St.Viktor is a good one tho , the kurzick background and he uses a katana to fight shiro so they match up pretty well imo.

Katana greatsword with wind effects around the arms and blade. Shiro's mark for the foot falls maybe petals for the draw animation. thin prominent red lines for the attack animations. Basically just go full anime weeb.

> @"Chasind.3128" said:

> A story that isn't laughable in comparison to FFXIV's Heavensward & Shadowbringers- GW2 story has never been great & more "generic good-guy teams up with other generic blend of good-guys" I just want a good story. Something I can get immersed into. Lore heavy, impactful & meaningful choices & NPCs with whom help drive the story in such a way, you actually are excited for what will happen next. I've never experienced that with Gw2- not even when Aurene "died" because you could see it coming & knew she would reincarnate or come back. It felt like a poor shock factor.

> -- Aside from the sad development of WvW & lack of care for the WvW players- the lackluster story is also why I left GW2. I've slowly been wanting to come back, but I know nothing has changed.

All of FFXIV stories are garbage sorry. Characters with unpronounceable names (thank god for cutscenes). Story is convoluted, linear and at times silly. All the cliche are in there and then alot of the story / quests is lost to no voice acting anywhere else. It sucks tbh. You talk about generic good vs bad but point to the epitome of generic good vs bad. Our Zaitan story is equal to the best FFXIV can cook up.

> @"Taril.8619" said:

> > @"Hitomi Shadowleaf.5629" said:

> > Why is our community so hung up on being hybrid?

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> I guess because more options is more interesting.

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> > @"Hitomi Shadowleaf.5629" said:

> > A hybrid literally puts you into AT BEST the middle of the pack. Elite specs are suppose to be specialized to makes good at something why would you ever want that to be mediocre?

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> Elementalist says hi.

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> You know, a class whom has equally viable Power and Condi builds for both their E-Specs.

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> Since, it's not particularly hard to enable Power/Condi hybrid builds. You just have to have access to Power scaling damage and Condi's with traits that aren't completely specific in nature (I.e. Thief E-Specs being only Power based damage modifiers). Kalla, while a flawed E-Spec in overall design, at least does this by the way of how Kalla's Fervor

> buffs both Ferocity and Condi damage meaning it scales the damage of both Power and Condi builds.

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> > @"Hitomi Shadowleaf.5629" said:

> > Haven't we tried that route enough? Both Kalla and Glint have been hybrid and they both are classed as Support with Kalla only being a dps for very specific bosses.

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> The issue with Kalla and Glint isn't that they're inherently Hybrid, but that they are a mix of 2 completely different roles. Support and DPS hybrid always makes for a mediocre choice where it often results in mostly the Support build (See: Banner Warrior, Boon Chrono, Heal Druid etc)

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> Whereas, being hybrid in Power and Condi means that whichever way you slice it, you're a DPS. You just have different flavours.

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> > @"Hitomi Shadowleaf.5629" said:

> > That and getting silly gimmicky weapons or specs that already exist.

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> Well... As far as weapons go... An Elite Spec that is hybrid Power/Condi doesn't necessarily need to have a hybrid weapon. It could still have a pure Power weapon since it's not like Mace/Axe is terrible for Condi play (Though the lack of alternatives outside Kalla's SB does highlight the issue that is Rev's lack of weapons which, unlike Engie whom also has few core weapons, still has the ability to swap between weapon sets making 2 weapon sets of a particular type more relevant)

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> Since we also have examples of E-Specs that are hybrid but also have a specific weapon type. Such as Berserker with their Condi Torch, Mirage with its Condi Axe and Chrono with its Support Shield.

You are totally right and make good points. I feel like im just frustrated with the lack luster state of Revenant atm. We just don't feel great and the nerfs keep rolling through giving us less and less choice.

> @"Scoobaniec.9561" said:

> A selfish dps elite spec could do both power and condi like berserker. Just saying

Why is our community so hung up on being hybrid? A hybrid literally puts you into AT BEST the middle of the pack. Elite specs are suppose to be specialized to makes good at something why would you ever want that to be mediocre? Haven't we tried that route enough? Both Kalla and Glint have been hybrid and they both are classed as Support with Kalla only being a dps for very specific bosses.

That and getting silly gimmicky weapons or specs that already exist. Its like very few people are actually aware of our class and what it can do. I really want to play and love Rev but over the last couple of days just look at the jumbled mess of suggestions we give the devs its no wonder the class is such a hot mess. At this point I'm just waiting for the expansion we get another shitty Elite spec and just gonna cut my losses and go War / Mes / Ele.

SB is a niche condition weapon. To see shortbow shine you need a very large target that is mostly stationary with a massive amount of HP. The reason you need all of these things to happen is because without a large stationary target many skills become unreliable such as 2 and 3. You also need a massive amount of HP because thats the only time condition damage can out shine power builds. It is a really good weapon for specific Raid encounters but you'd mostly see it in Open world. In Open world anything goes tho so you could run around with staff or exclusively using axe offhand and it wouldnt really make much difference.

> @"Thornwolf.9721" said:

> > @"Hitomi Shadowleaf.5629" said:

> > > @"Thornwolf.9721" said:

> > > > @"Hitomi Shadowleaf.5629" said:

> > > > > @"Thornwolf.9721" said:

> > > > > > @"Kodama.6453" said:

> > > > > > > @"Scoobaniec.9561" said:

> > > > > > > Given the Jora outfit release we can guess shes going to be the next legend.. cant have male elite spec

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> > > > > > To be fair, all core legends you can invoke are male (or 3 male and 1 neutral, if you don't want to count Mallyx as male).

> > > > > > So I don't really care if they add another female elite spec legend.

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> > > > > Jora is in no way as significant as Asgeir and I have a feeling her kit would be WAAAY less epic and involved. I don't care on gender.... I care about it not being worthless garbo like kalla.

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> > > > Sir, Jora stop primodus by killing the great destroyer. She is loved by the vast majority of the GW1 community, we played with her through all of EoTN and she was also an amazing character in general. The GW2 story line even refers her mulitple times, I remember getting chills the 1st time I saw her statue in Hoelbrak. I picked Norn because of how awesome and impactful Jora's story was. Asgeir by comparison is just some random character they made up, he was scared or worse tricked by his foes to flee. I'd hate to invoke the legend of a coward especially a norn coward.

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> > > So feminist got it. Anyhow Asgeir KILLED frostfang and fought off drakkar in the original telling of his tale, and even fought jormag to a stand still and as he still damaged a Elder dragon as he did knock his fang out regardless of whatever else Id say he is far more significant in terms of power. Jora wouldn't give anything the other legends don't already cover due to her being a warrior, one who lost bears blessing and as far as we know never fully got it back outside of bears forgiveness. She never gained the ability to transform or invoke bears might. She is a significant and well loved character, one of my favorites but I hate to see why she would be chosen over Asgeir or even her brother svanir as both had huge lasting impacts. Jora is a legend, she has statues and so do many other characters like Pyre who set off the charr revolution but they chose kalla instead even though pyre was the start of the initial movement which was huge and HE TOO IS a loved character.

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> > > The ripples of svanirs actions are still felt today, he has a death cult based after him and even still lingers within the mists. He was powerful enough to inspire fear into the norn and even claim several settlements to his ravenous rampage.

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> > > Asgeir literally built the norns way of life, and saved them. He was not a coward as he thought about his people rather than brashly running on, this could also be due to jormags eldritch nature. Jormag was scared and used its mind magic to get Asgeir to leave; But he saved his people none the less and if he had killed jormag back then he might very well of doomed the world. (Imagine if we killed Zaithan and then killed Mordremoth not knowing about the dragons and magic back lash. Tyria woulda poped.)

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> > > As much as I love jora, I don't see her kit offering us something cool and fun.. I see it being something more like jalis or shiro and honestly neither of those are very fun anymore. I don't want a warrior clone spec~ The fact Asgeir was blessed by ALL the spirits of the wild automatically makes him have tons of things that could be added and used, plus the freedom of not having known his power and now knowing he also knew and had jotuun magic on his side? Yea. Interesting kit indeed.

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> > Asgeir did not save the norn. Asgeir lied to the norn, there is a difference. He was not true and honest to his people and did not let them chose their fate. You can't call him a hero or villian just a liar. We don't even know if him killing anything is true nor that he even wounded the dragon. Jormag could of just handed it to him to make his story believable. It is obvious that Jormag does not want to fight he wants to be left alone.

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> > The Great Destroyer was more powerful than Frostfang. Primorius is the most powerful dragon and it stands to reason that his champion would therefore be the most powerful. Jora is therefore on par in terms of power IF Asgeir's story is even true, all of that could be a lie or simply Jormag's plan. Jora also regain's her ability to become bear after slaying the great destroyer.

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> > This idea that Jora will somehow be a copy paste of a warrior is insane. Anet has never built a copy paste of any class ever so that arguement is simply null and void. Additionally, how would Asgeir be any different? He is a male norn warrior. The biggest problem I see with Asgeir is his character. He was a liar and when the truth of what he did gets out it will rock Norn society. Jora on the hand was dealt a kitten hand by her brother. She did lose bear's favor but worked tirelessly to regain it and did so when she slew the Great destroyer. You would know this if you talk to her when you beat the EoTN she says "Thanks to you, I can become the bear once more. For that I am forever grateful. We will hunt together again." I personally prefer someone who is resilient in the face of adversity to someone who thinks he knows best and tells everyone to run.

> >

> > Towards the spirits agreuement, Asgeir was "blessed by all the spirits" because thats what Anet has been adding to the game. In Jora's time Raven, Bear and Wolf were the only spirits in the story. Additonally all Norn player characters are blessed by the spirits of the wild EXCEPT Revenants. So imo that doesnt really hold much water. and I REALLY dont want anything spirit spammer like kalla.

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> > Jora is a very powerful warrior and could offer us a very clean and to the point Greatsword power spec. That is something we desperately need on the Revenant class, Anet has tried to give the class very unique mechanics and I appreciate their efforts however, Glint is very rarely used in PvE and shield also pretty rare cuz its more or less useless in all formats of the game. Kalla is better but spirits struggle to be placed due to pathing issues and the shortbow has so many issues it has its own thread. A Simple bursty Greatsword with a little CC would be fine and pair well with S/S's sustained dps. I am not a dev but Shiro doesn't fit well with anyother legend atm so why not just make it Jora? I mean she was one of the few norn that was even willing to work with humans.

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> Or hear me out, Asgeir in his interactions could lament that he "Couldn't" finish jormag and if you find the book within Bjora he talks about how he failed. He fought until his body gave out and he was on the brink of death, he lied to his people because he KNEW they would rush out to confront the dragon no matter the loss. So he lied to them to protect them from dooming his species to extinction and he even said to himself "Why did I feel like I could've finished it." And maybe he very well could of, but At the same time would it of made a difference today? Probably not. The sons of svanir would worship another dragon, and there is no distinction that Primordius is stronger than jormag and if anything Id wager Jormag is more powerful as it is more influential than primo who just kinda does things.

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> Sometimes its better to tell a lie to protect everyone so they can fight another day, he straight says in his writing that he hopes the next to take is place can handle the weight of his choice and do what he could not. So as a legend he might not be perfect personality wise, but he would be something of a character seeking redemption in the aid of us. Through us he could make peace with his mistakes and maybe find atonement and even might look to us as his successor and someone to impart wisdom too now that he is within the mists? Jora would just be more of the same, blah-blah hero who is here to save the day. I like the idea of Asgeir being saddened and asking about his people, concerned with the world of tyria. To your point of the PC being blessed? No they aren't. They just made them all useable forms so no one would complain when they picked one and got hard locked, which is why wolf also only refers to your chosen spirit in Bjora when you speak with him. Gameplay does not equate to lore or cannon as PLENTY of liberties have been taken, and if the norn equated to their lore they would be WAY cooler than they are in the representation they get in game.

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> Jora was a strong warrior, one of the best I reckon outside of her society though Id wager she wasn't "The best" norn warrior. To be perfectly honest norn are individualistic and the only real racist ones are the svanir, and even they aren't all that bad when compared to the charr or even the humans themselves. Plus the spirits Asgeir was blessed by were the strongest, and while jora was blessed by bear I just don't see her being a worthwhile choice as he interactions would be bland. It would be much like how kalla interacts with us, the dialogue would be some kinda meh trash when we could get something more emotional and even encouraging.

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> Asgeir to human pc: "You're strong human. Don't let your strength make you arrogant, for that is the first failure of every warrior."

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> Human PC To Asgeir: "Ill not let myself fall into that trap, Ill do what must be done."

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> As for your assesment of the two id say you sound like you just want a woman. Id wager if it wasn't a norn but was still female you'd be content and im looking at it from a storytelling perspective. Frostfang by the way was NEVER confirmed to be weaker than the great-destroyer anywhere in the lore, and I also said he fought drakkar as well I believe in a 3 v1. He pushed one off, killed one and damaged jormag. Jora NEVER fought an elder dragon, let alone pushed herself until her body broke and she was near death. Jormag spared Asgeir but I do believe he took its tooth from its face as the final blow he could muster in his bodies weakened state. Again he lied to keep his people from blindly rushing to their deaths and he had hoped it would give them time to find a way. Because at the end of the day back then with one race taking on an elder Im not sure they would of won; Thats like saying that the charr alone could take on Kralk, mordremoth or Zaithan.. If they could why didn't they? The dragons are stronger than the six, so much so that the six ran away. So I feel like Asgeir even doing damage to where Jormag told him to take his prize and go, was proof enough of his might and his ability to live with himself after he lied to keep his people safe was more than enough to prove his courage.

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> Takes a braver man to do what must be done for his people, than one who seeks praise and admiration. He felt shame and from the reading you can do of him he seems like he died with regrets, having him come back to finish what he started and settle old grudges would be sick. I love jora, I just don't feel like we need another pure-hero character. We already have too many good guys and not enough morally grey/evil beings to channel. And as for her being a carbon copy of warrior? Well I mean look at shiro as it stands after his last round of changes. He is a hollow husk of a legend, with a lame kit and honestly feels like thief with no stealth and more mobility/attempt at bruiser play. Do you honestly believe that Jora would get a good kit, and bring in good gameplay with how they handled glint and kalla as well the other legends? The other legends were bosses from the previous games they could of just translated their kits and made them scale and function for guild wars 2's combat but they didn't. I have little faith they would come up with anything interesting for jora. If they however let us change into the bear spirit like the norn did in guild wars 1 that'd be sick, as the current shapeshifting is trash and is freaking the most dissapointing part of this game for me. (Needs a revamp)

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> To how Asgeir could be different? https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/1197516

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> That forum post goes into the kind of kit I'd like to see for him. I feel like that would make him unique and Jora would just get some generic, copy paste of something from guild wars 1 without it being given much depth. Mainly because at this stage? I don't trust A-net to be as innovative with our legends going forward.

I first like to start by addressing what been pissing me off the most. The only person that has been enthralled by whats between someone's legs so far within this conversation is you. You have on multiple occasion made this logic jump that because I want Jora I am somehow a feminist and that a legend being female is at all relevant. The topic is about WHAT *NORN* LEGENDS I'd like to see on a class that deals with characters with ESTABLISHED in LORE. If it weren't norn I would easily say Archemorus or St.Viktor unless you can some how make a logic jump thats some how being sexist, but so far you've proven yourself to be quiet adept at those jumps. Your rant only shows your basis.

To Asgeir in both of your posts with regard to the story it should not make him a legend. Rather if going with your route they should be Living world updates or along those lines. Revenant Legends are those who have stories that have ended which is why i believe that Jora would make a good legend. Jora would tell us about the past and reveal small nuggets of lore about life in the far shiverpeaks and fighting Jormag before Asgeir time. Remember Hoelbrak wasnt founded in those times so there is a lot of lore to be had there.

Additionally your reasoning that Asgeir somehow knew best and that was good leadership is a kin to saying that Scarlet Briar knew best. One person should not be deciding the fate of an entire race ESPECIALLY USING DECEIT. Jormag has already show its prowess in manipulating people with us in the living story and this is likely what happened to Asgeir.

> @"Kodama.6453" said:

> > @"Hitomi Shadowleaf.5629" said:

> > 1. A downvote button on the forums.

> > 2. A new playable race like Largos or Tengu

> > 3. Direct X12 Support

> > 4. More customization with hairstyles

> > 5. More story line for the Gods / Celestials

> > 6. More weapon choices options for classes like Theif & Rev with very small weapon pools that arent tied to Elite specs

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> >

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> Not even mentioning engineer as the class with the most limited weapon pool, lmao.

The word like means similar too, im sorry I didnt make an exhaustive list. But sure Engi too

1. A downvote button on the forums.

2. A new playable race like Largos or Tengu

3. Direct X12 Support

4. More customization with hairstyles

5. More story line for the Gods / Celestials

6. More weapon choices options for classes like Theif & Rev with very small weapon pools that arent tied to Elite specs

**Please give us a power build, a selfish, simple, no gimmick attached power build.**

Why? Because so after our gimmicks get us nerfed or are buggy. E.g Hammer's coalescence of ruin was a beautiful on release , now its a tiny (by comparison) flavorless line thats STILL receiving nerfs. Another example is shortbow namely bloodbane path, very cool skill on paper right up until a normal sized target steps forward and then you cant hit a thing but I'll give an honourable mention to sevenarrow's horrible camera issues and wonky projectile spread.

It terms of bugs kalla's spirits in PvP and in many areas in PvE just dont work with the terrain very well. You drop them with a green circle and get "No valid Path" any experienced Revenant will know that happens and if you are serious about Raiding that drop in spirit uptime because of that RNG hits your personal DPS hard when you are playing Alacrigade.

**Preferably with greatsword.**

Why? Greatsword seems to be arenanet's favorite weapon every greatsword in the game is good. It may not be the absolute best but its pretty close. The same will happen to Rev if its given Greatsword. Its like people have forgotten back in day how bad necromancer was, they would literally be instant kicked from any dungeon party. They got Reaper (GS spec) and the devs suddenly noticed many of necro's problems and fixed them. Revenents desperately need some serious TLC from the dev team, whether it be expanding the weapon sets, making a new strong power elite or reworking current legends (Glint and Jalis mainly glint).

I'd love for this greatsword to be a slower weapon with massive burst damage and gap closers or CC. Ideally it'd work well with Shiro and S/S so we can chain combo from battlescars or unblockable attacks and give us some thoughtful skill useage, traitlines and GOOD HEAL. Maybe if it worked well with Jalis he'd see some play too!

I truly do **NOT** want another weapon choice like shield. We already have very few options in terms of build diversity due to legends we cant afford to lose our elite spec weapons to nonsense , super niche weapons types (shield). We struggle to mass tag in PvE mainly due to all the hammer nerfs and we dont have a pure power dps build.

We have a support in diviner's with Renegade, a complex condi build in Viper's with Kalla and an off healer in Harrier with Kalla/Jallas. Glint is only seen in PvP as a bunker (tank) boon support weird hybrid thing and seriously needs to be reworked at this point IMO.

In terms of a legend I'd pick Jora cuz she's a norn character that many GW1 player would love to see return and her sword in GW1 is like the size of a greatsword anyway. If we are have to pick from Cantha I'd say Archemorus (land Spear/greatsword ) or St.Viktor (Greatsword). Plus they would give cool interactions with Shiro.

> @"Thornwolf.9721" said:

> > @"Hitomi Shadowleaf.5629" said:

> > > @"Thornwolf.9721" said:

> > > > @"Kodama.6453" said:

> > > > > @"Scoobaniec.9561" said:

> > > > > Given the Jora outfit release we can guess shes going to be the next legend.. cant have male elite spec

> > > >

> > > > To be fair, all core legends you can invoke are male (or 3 male and 1 neutral, if you don't want to count Mallyx as male).

> > > > So I don't really care if they add another female elite spec legend.

> > >

> > > Jora is in no way as significant as Asgeir and I have a feeling her kit would be WAAAY less epic and involved. I don't care on gender.... I care about it not being worthless garbo like kalla.

> >

> > Sir, Jora stop primodus by killing the great destroyer. She is loved by the vast majority of the GW1 community, we played with her through all of EoTN and she was also an amazing character in general. The GW2 story line even refers her mulitple times, I remember getting chills the 1st time I saw her statue in Hoelbrak. I picked Norn because of how awesome and impactful Jora's story was. Asgeir by comparison is just some random character they made up, he was scared or worse tricked by his foes to flee. I'd hate to invoke the legend of a coward especially a norn coward.

>

> So feminist got it. Anyhow Asgeir KILLED frostfang and fought off drakkar in the original telling of his tale, and even fought jormag to a stand still and as he still damaged a Elder dragon as he did knock his fang out regardless of whatever else Id say he is far more significant in terms of power. Jora wouldn't give anything the other legends don't already cover due to her being a warrior, one who lost bears blessing and as far as we know never fully got it back outside of bears forgiveness. She never gained the ability to transform or invoke bears might. She is a significant and well loved character, one of my favorites but I hate to see why she would be chosen over Asgeir or even her brother svanir as both had huge lasting impacts. Jora is a legend, she has statues and so do many other characters like Pyre who set off the charr revolution but they chose kalla instead even though pyre was the start of the initial movement which was huge and HE TOO IS a loved character.

>

> The ripples of svanirs actions are still felt today, he has a death cult based after him and even still lingers within the mists. He was powerful enough to inspire fear into the norn and even claim several settlements to his ravenous rampage.

>

> Asgeir literally built the norns way of life, and saved them. He was not a coward as he thought about his people rather than brashly running on, this could also be due to jormags eldritch nature. Jormag was scared and used its mind magic to get Asgeir to leave; But he saved his people none the less and if he had killed jormag back then he might very well of doomed the world. (Imagine if we killed Zaithan and then killed Mordremoth not knowing about the dragons and magic back lash. Tyria woulda poped.)

>

> As much as I love jora, I don't see her kit offering us something cool and fun.. I see it being something more like jalis or shiro and honestly neither of those are very fun anymore. I don't want a warrior clone spec~ The fact Asgeir was blessed by ALL the spirits of the wild automatically makes him have tons of things that could be added and used, plus the freedom of not having known his power and now knowing he also knew and had jotuun magic on his side? Yea. Interesting kit indeed.

Asgeir did not save the norn. Asgeir lied to the norn, there is a difference. He was not true and honest to his people and did not let them chose their fate. You can't call him a hero or villian just a liar. We don't even know if him killing anything is true nor that he even wounded the dragon. Jormag could of just handed it to him to make his story believable. It is obvious that Jormag does not want to fight he wants to be left alone.

The Great Destroyer was more powerful than Frostfang. Primorius is the most powerful dragon and it stands to reason that his champion would therefore be the most powerful. Jora is therefore on par in terms of power IF Asgeir's story is even true, all of that could be a lie or simply Jormag's plan. Jora also regain's her ability to become bear after slaying the great destroyer.

This idea that Jora will somehow be a copy paste of a warrior is insane. Anet has never built a copy paste of any class ever so that arguement is simply null and void. Additionally, how would Asgeir be any different? He is a male norn warrior. The biggest problem I see with Asgeir is his character. He was a liar and when the truth of what he did gets out it will rock Norn society. Jora on the hand was dealt a shitty hand by her brother. She did lose bear's favor but worked tirelessly to regain it and did so when she slew the Great destroyer. You would know this if you talk to her when you beat the EoTN she says "Thanks to you, I can become the bear once more. For that I am forever grateful. We will hunt together again." I personally prefer someone who is resilient in the face of adversity to someone who thinks he knows best and tells everyone to run.

Towards the spirits agreuement, Asgeir was "blessed by all the spirits" because thats what Anet has been adding to the game. In Jora's time Raven, Bear and Wolf were the only spirits in the story. Additonally all Norn player characters are blessed by the spirits of the wild EXCEPT Revenants. So imo that doesnt really hold much water. and I REALLY dont want anything spirit spammer like kalla.

Jora is a very powerful warrior and could offer us a very clean and to the point Greatsword power spec. That is something we desperately need on the Revenant class, Anet has tried to give the class very unique mechanics and I appreciate their efforts however, Glint is very rarely used in PvE and shield also pretty rare cuz its more or less useless in all formats of the game. Kalla is better but spirits struggle to be placed due to pathing issues and the shortbow has so many issues it has its own thread. A Simple bursty Greatsword with a little CC would be fine and pair well with S/S's sustained dps. I am not a dev but Shiro doesn't fit well with anyother legend atm so why not just make it Jora? I mean she was one of the few norn that was even willing to work with humans.

> @"Thornwolf.9721" said:

> > @"Kodama.6453" said:

> > > @"Scoobaniec.9561" said:

> > > Given the Jora outfit release we can guess shes going to be the next legend.. cant have male elite spec

> >

> > To be fair, all core legends you can invoke are male (or 3 male and 1 neutral, if you don't want to count Mallyx as male).

> > So I don't really care if they add another female elite spec legend.

>

> Jora is in no way as significant as Asgeir and I have a feeling her kit would be WAAAY less epic and involved. I don't care on gender.... I care about it not being worthless garbo like kalla.

Sir, Jora stop primodus by killing the great destroyer. She is loved by the vast majority of the GW1 community, we played with her through all of EoTN and she was also an amazing character in general. The GW2 story line even refers her mulitple times, I remember getting chills the 1st time I saw her statue in Hoelbrak. I picked Norn because of how awesome and impactful Jora's story was. Asgeir by comparison is just some random character they made up, he was scared or worse tricked by his foes to flee. I'd hate to invoke the legend of a coward especially a norn coward.

> @"Kulvar.1239" said:

> > @"Turkeyspit.3965" said:

> > Greatsword is my favorite weapon in the game, and given my Rev is a Charr...well...

> >

> > Just please don't make the GS a condition weapon....

>

> There's already shortbox / axe+mace for condition damage.

> But there's already hammer / sword+sword for melee direct damage.

> So everything is possible, and Arena.net like to make original things for revenant weapons (melee staff, range hammer)

I totally a agree with you. The original thing we can get for rev is "good greatsword". That would be first for our elite specs to actually be solid and useful totally unique and complete curveball for this class.

Kalla = Ritualist spec , you've already got it.

Give is a greatsword power build and put us on par with the other soldier classes please.

Its a call back to GW1 style of play, if it doesn't appeal to you. There are 8 other classes. I've played Rev since HoT launch and it feels good in PvE, my only complaints about it are the lack of weapons and elites spec that dont suit my taste. But I understand that should issues are my problem.