Rubby.1694

> @"ASY.6082" said:

> "I like playing my class a certain way and this mechanics stops me from doing so, pls remove" -Rubby

i know right

Hi, i am a renegade main from the EU high-end fractal guild "Discretize"

I lose any desire to do a fractal run if i see either of the Challenge mode fractals (Nightmare 99 and Shattered observatory 100) with No pain no gain because having to play Mallyx to strip the boons (which is the optimal way to do it if you still want to have good individual boss and fractal clear times) denies you from playing the build to it's full potential and locks you into being just an alacrity and soulcleave bot which is soul-crushing for anyone that loves the build.

Currently No Pain No Gain grants any enemy you hit 10 stacks of Might, Protection and Fury for 20 seconds, meaning they will permanently have all three unless you corrupt, or strip them. the biggest obstruction to getting a good kill time with this instability is of course the Protection, which HAS to be stripped in a power-based composition.

Stripping boons with this instability active will grant you a pathetic amount of lifesteal and damage that is almost completely insignificant.

Currently the best ways of dealing with No Pain No Gain in the meta (Quickness firebrand, Alacrity renegade, Banner Berserker, Soulbeast and Weaver) composition are in order:

1) Making the Alacrity renegade swap one of his legends to Mallyx and using Banish enchantment every 20 seconds

2) Swapping out the Weaver for a power Reaper that strips the boons with the 4th greatsword ability (Nightfall) and with Well of Corruption

3) Having the Banner Berserker swap to Banner Spellbreaker that strips boons with Crowd control and dagger skills (this option is placed below 1 and 2 because of how powerful berserker is, dealing almost as much damage as the DPS builds)

My suggestions for this instability:

a) Replace the protection in the list of boons with another like Quickness or Resistance

b) Make the instability true to it's name and add a real "gain" after the pain such as "you deal 5% more damage against boonless foes"

c) Remove it.

I look forward to reading suggestions and thoughts from others about this mistlock instability

Thank you for reading

> @"Cyninja.2954" said:

> Option B does not change any of the gameplay, since the boons still need to get removed, simply the clear speed. So not sure how this would affect your feel about the class. It just asking for faster loot.

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> If you dislike dealing with NPNG as renegade, then don't. Have someone else do it. If this is about clear speeds, yeah some instabilities will reduce clear speed. Which is still of no consequence when 99+100CM together take around 20-25 minutes for good groups.

Option B is about making the name make sense and seeing NPNG be less disappointing

Having somebody else deal with it is being selfish and trolling your group.

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