gerrylix.5234

> @"Cyninja.2954" said:

> > @"gerrylix.5234" said:

> > > @"Obtena.7952" said:

> > > > @"gerrylix.5234" said:

> > > > It's not hard to understand that such a goldwall can be frustrating for many.

> > >

> > > Exactly ... it's not hard to understand ... yet Anet did it anyways. Seems to me there is a reason Anet does things, even though it's really easy to understand why those things can be frustrating to players.

> > >

> > > I didn't really see much consideration in these kinds of threads of what that reason might be. Everyone who's complaining just assumed the worst they could. That's just not being objective. Do people honestly think Anet went out of their way to make you frustrated for NO REASON? If people do honestly think that, then why would Anet care what they think in the first place? Is there any reason Anet could provide that would change those people's thinking?

> > >

> > > You assumed you're feeding whales, so you already assumed the worst. Why should anyone take that seriously? It's part of the game; if you want stuff, you buy it ... or you farm it yourself. Frankly, if you are making excuses to exclude yourself from the market system based on some assumption you made; that's a choice you made. I see little reason to complain about that ... it's how the game has worked for 6+ years now.

> >

> > You got a few fair points there but just look at this chart, between 4AM and 5AM 18k sigils vanished from the market, so the assumption that a whale bought up the market is backed by numbers. That whale could of course be a whole guild or just one guy but it looks coordinated.

> > https://www.gw2tp.com/item/24572-superior-sigil-of-nullification

>

> Yet we have people in this very thread admitting to buying the Sigil at 1g, 3.x gold and other values. Admitting that they bought only their required amount or some extra to later sell.

>

> You are simply assuming a very tiny minority bought up all the Sigils and while that might well be compared to the entire player base, it is pure speculation that this minority was super wealthy TP barons. As Wanze and I have pointed out, this kind of market reaction and continued market reaction is not achievable by just some few players. It requires an entire shift in player base behavior versus a commodity.

>

> Are some few making gold off of the initial 18k Sigils? Sure but how many and what type of players those are you can only speculate. Chances are high it is gold savvy players but that is not required. I can guarantee a vast majority of people in this thread would do the same given the opportunity, that is quite evident by the amount of envy and greed through the responses.

>

> That does not affect in any way the Sigils which are now coming into the game yet are priced similar to previous Sigils which were bought up old stock. Turns out, any one owning Sigils for sale enjoys taking as much gold as they can for them. That too is no TP baron mumbo jumbo but simple normal player market interaction.

>

> EDIT: the more this thread goes on it becomes evident that people are not actually opposed to the high price, but are rather envious of others having been faster or getting the same collection for less gold. Yes, that is unfortunate (and it affects me too since I don't have my Sigils yet but I don't mind getting beat by some savvy players. On the contrary, I applaud their dedication and speed to figure this stuff out). But that's life, you don't always get to win. What you can do is decide what the collection is worth to you and then buy or not buy the Sigil. There is no reason to cry over spilled milk.

The discussions in here leads nowhere, that's what i find evident.

There are 3 types of players arguing over and over about the same thing.

A ) Makes a killing by selling the sigils and will always defend it

B ) Has no reason but "Everyone deserves to farm 300g or more for a collection so shut up"

C ) Materials for the collection are to expensive

First i wanted to point at the issue than i started arguing a bit, because i didn't understand how someone wants to pay voluntarily so much and now i don't care about the whole new content and armor anymore.

_"Been there, done that, don't care anymore"_

At least for me the arguing is over, because the effort to defend the stance of me and quite a few others is exhausting and not worth it.

> @"Malediktus.9250" said:

> It really does not matter if new players do not have the same options as veteran players. If I were a new player I would probably have different priorities than getting endgame skins. And if they really must have it right now they still have the option to trade 10 USD worth of gems to gold.

Both parties if veteran or new player can farm the goldmines over and over and over, it's not like you need any special skill or anything, anybody can run RIBA or Istan for hours.

You don't have be so elitist, it has nothing to do with being able to farm gold.

> @"Obtena.7952" said:

> > @"gerrylix.5234" said:

> > It's not hard to understand that such a goldwall can be frustrating for many.

>

> Exactly ... it's not hard to understand ... yet Anet did it anyways. Seems to me there is a reason Anet does things, even though it's really easy to understand why those things can be frustrating to players.

>

> I didn't really see much consideration in these kinds of threads of what that reason might be. Everyone who's complaining just assumed the worst they could. That's just not being objective. Do people honestly think Anet went out of their way to make you frustrated for NO REASON? If people do honestly think that, then why would Anet care what they think in the first place? Is there any reason Anet could provide that would change those people's thinking?

>

> You assumed you're feeding whales, so you already assumed the worst. Why should anyone take that seriously? It's part of the game; if you want stuff, you buy it ... or you farm it yourself. Frankly, if you are making excuses to exclude yourself from the market system based on some assumption you made; that's a choice you made. I see little reason to complain about that ... it's how the game has worked for 6+ years now.

You got a few fair points there but just look at this chart, between 4AM and 5AM 18k sigils vanished from the market, so the assumption that a whale bought up the market is backed by numbers. That whale could of course be a whole guild or just one guy but it looks coordinated.

https://www.gw2tp.com/item/24572-superior-sigil-of-nullification

> @"Obtena.7952" said:

> > @"gerrylix.5234" said:

> > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said:

> > > > @"gerrylix.5234" said:

> > > > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said:

> > > > > Supply will sort itself over time as players go back to leveling new characters (veterans are starting to get those instant level 60 scrolls) and playing other areas where they can get the drops that have those sigils. Arc being such a drop that stands out as I used to get it a lot.

> > > >

> > > > Sure, over a long period of 6 month or more this sigil might come down again.

> > > > But who cares if a material for current content has a reasonable value in half a year?

> > > > I also don't see any argument for this price tag, the collection has plenty other stuff to buy and grind.

> > > >

> > > > Anet just didn't think about the consequences and we are getting 0 response.

> > > > **Looking at some TP charts makes me even think that this stinks a bit and can very well be insider trading.**

> > >

> > > Or it'll be sooner than that. I can see the price being around a gold each by the next episode release.

> > >

> > > I suggest looking at the charts more closely before throwing out the accusation of insider trading.

> >

> > "can very well be" =/= accusation

> >

> > But as a longtime EVE player i know very well what bounderies devs sometimes overthrow for personal gain.

> > It is a possibility and not a fact and in the end it doesn't really matter who bought 18k sigils in one swoop.

> >

> > What matters is that the economy is damaged big time and takes away fun from many players for an unforseeable future unless it is fixed.

>

> as we have seen may times in the past ... either it fixes itself or Anet intervenes. Threads like this are rehash and useless.

>

Well, not useless, ignoring the situation completely was no option for me.

It's not hard to understand that such a goldwall can be frustrating for many.

Don't get me wrong, i would be less frustrated if i would have to get those items from vendors for the same price, i just don't want to feed the whales anymore.

Success is bound** partly **to DPS, don't make it the one defining thing.

Sure, it's great when you got high damage output but we all know that there is so much more to it then just the numbers.

Elitism can not be circumvented by a meter, only by finding similar minded folk and doing your thing.

> @"MithranArkanere.8957" said:

> > @"Illconceived Was Na.9781" said:

> > [...]

> > Of course TP Barons exist, but it's a misunderstanding of basic market forces to think that they can control the supply of anything in the game. If the demand wasn't high, no would be selling at anything above vendor +15%, which was the price last week.

> >

> > Further, the sigil drops from other sources, including various exotic weapons that drop from anywhere. It is simply not possible for any person or consortium to control the price for long.

>

> They do not control the supply, they rely on a **really low and slow supply** to hijack the stock and control their value. When the only source of something is RNG with abysmally low chances, you can have a bot checking the trading post with the API, and warn you whenever you need to take actions. There will be time for it.

>

> Of course not a single person does this, but more than one person doing it won't make things much less worse.

>

> The best solution for this is a recipe that can only be bought in Jahai, that also acts as a sink for currently overstocked items in large amounts, larger than the amounts sigil recipes usually get. Something like this:

>

> * 50 mithril ingots. (usually 1 orichalcum ingot)

> * 5 ecto (usually 1)

> * 25 piles of soiled essence. (usually 1 lodestone)

> * 250 Barbed Thorns. (usually 50 of a fine material, another rare or exotic material or no third material)

>

> Those items will gain some value, sigil of nullification would lose the value it should not have reached, and there would be a guaranteed source if the TP value gets too high.

**Pretty much the solution, read something similar on reddit.**

I know plenty of stuff that could find a home in this recipe and hence become valuable.

> @"Ayrilana.1396" said:

> > @"gerrylix.5234" said:

> > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said:

> > > > @"gerrylix.5234" said:

> > > > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said:

> > > > > > @"gerrylix.5234" said:

> > > > > > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said:

> > > > > > > Supply will sort itself over time as players go back to leveling new characters (veterans are starting to get those instant level 60 scrolls) and playing other areas where they can get the drops that have those sigils. Arc being such a drop that stands out as I used to get it a lot.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sure, over a long period of 6 month or more this sigil might come down again.

> > > > > > But who cares if a material for current content has a reasonable value in half a year?

> > > > > > I also don't see any argument for this price tag, the collection has plenty other stuff to buy and grind.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anet just didn't think about the consequences and we are getting 0 response.

> > > > > > **Looking at some TP charts makes me even think that this stinks a bit and can very well be insider trading.**

> > > > >

> > > > > Or it'll be sooner than that. I can see the price being around a gold each by the next episode release.

> > > > >

> > > > > I suggest looking at the charts more closely before throwing out the accusation of insider trading.

> > > >

> > > > "can very well be" =/= accusation

> > > >

> > > > But as a longtime EVE player i know very well what bounderies devs sometimes overthrow for personal gain.

> > > > It is a possibility and not a fact and in the end it doesn't really matter who bought 18k sigils in one swoop.

> > > >

> > > > What matters is that the economy is damaged big time and takes away fun from many players for an unforseeable future unless it is fixed.

> > >

> > > An economy isn't damaged because of a single item. The economy is bigger than that.

> > >

> > > > @"Nunna.6413" said:

> > > > I was having a blast until the sigil part hit me, I thought, oh, finally anet doing something that everyone can enjoy getting it without getting too much pressure, you know, like old times. Nope .. If they think this will make me throw my cc right away to buy some gems to convert or spent tons of hours grinding unreasonable gold for that kind of kitten .. yeah .. not gona happen my dude. I'd rather waste my time doing something else. The price of this thing wont go down, it will go up because they control the market. The hoarders are doing it on purpose, slowly releasing small amounts of sigils while jacking up the price. Even now some of you already moan about how many sigils left in the tp. Yep .. ya know what will happen next. Oh look 14g per sigils. Good job guys. Good job. Remember that morderm bloom event failure? This is also on that level of stupidity. Congratulations.

> > >

> > > That's the same thing people have stated about other items when they had heavily inflated costs right after a release but those prices are also down.

> >

> > Yes the whole sigil economy is, because now everyone and their mother are hording them again, just watch some threads on reddit.

> >

> > I can't really understand why you are defending the situation, may you elaborate why it is a good thing to lock out so many players from having the armor for an unknown timeframe?

>

> How does a single sigil that had pretty much no value before the patch, and now does after, harmful to the economy or just other sigils? There's really no point in hoarding them because demand will just fall as time goes on and whatever value they could have gotten had they sold now will be reduced. The issue that players have is with the price and not because of its acquisition methods. Had the price remained at 2 silver a piece, this thread would not exist. The price will fall.

>

> > @"Clipbord.8726" said:

> > > @"gerrylix.5234" said:

> > > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said:

> > > > > @"gerrylix.5234" said:

> > > > > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said:

> > > > > > > @"gerrylix.5234" said:

> > > > > > > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said:

> > > > > > > > Supply will sort itself over time as players go back to leveling new characters (veterans are starting to get those instant level 60 scrolls) and playing other areas where they can get the drops that have those sigils. Arc being such a drop that stands out as I used to get it a lot.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sure, over a long period of 6 month or more this sigil might come down again.

> > > > > > > But who cares if a material for current content has a reasonable value in half a year?

> > > > > > > I also don't see any argument for this price tag, the collection has plenty other stuff to buy and grind.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Anet just didn't think about the consequences and we are getting 0 response.

> > > > > > > **Looking at some TP charts makes me even think that this stinks a bit and can very well be insider trading.**

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Or it'll be sooner than that. I can see the price being around a gold each by the next episode release.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I suggest looking at the charts more closely before throwing out the accusation of insider trading.

> > > > >

> > > > > "can very well be" =/= accusation

> > > > >

> > > > > But as a longtime EVE player i know very well what bounderies devs sometimes overthrow for personal gain.

> > > > > It is a possibility and not a fact and in the end it doesn't really matter who bought 18k sigils in one swoop.

> > > > >

> > > > > What matters is that the economy is damaged big time and takes away fun from many players for an unforseeable future unless it is fixed.

> > > >

> > > > An economy isn't damaged because of a single item. The economy is bigger than that.

> > > >

> > > > > @"Nunna.6413" said:

> > > > > I was having a blast until the sigil part hit me, I thought, oh, finally anet doing something that everyone can enjoy getting it without getting too much pressure, you know, like old times. Nope .. If they think this will make me throw my cc right away to buy some gems to convert or spent tons of hours grinding unreasonable gold for that kind of kitten .. yeah .. not gona happen my dude. I'd rather waste my time doing something else. The price of this thing wont go down, it will go up because they control the market. The hoarders are doing it on purpose, slowly releasing small amounts of sigils while jacking up the price. Even now some of you already moan about how many sigils left in the tp. Yep .. ya know what will happen next. Oh look 14g per sigils. Good job guys. Good job. Remember that morderm bloom event failure? This is also on that level of stupidity. Congratulations.

> > > >

> > > > That's the same thing people have stated about other items when they had heavily inflated costs right after a release but those prices are also down.

> > >

> > > Yes the whole sigil economy is, because now everyone and their mother are hording them again, just watch some threads on reddit.

> > >

> > > I can't really understand why you are defending the situation, may you elaborate why it is a good thing to lock out so many players from having the armor for an unknown timeframe?

> >

> > Only logical reason why I think he/she is defending this situation is because they are one of the few who found out about it early and cashed in on it.

>

> Nope. I didn't buy those sigils.

You know what, i am kinda tired of this discussion.

The collection is overpriced and nobody can foresee the pricechanges without an Anet patch to the mats.

All, everyone is asking for, is a change to the needed materials for the collection, because it's overpriced even if it goes down to 2g.

Here is the point, i am repeating myself here, i do not under any circumstances understand how a sane person can argue for higher prices over lower ones if he makes no profit out of it or doesn't need to buy the sigils. That's why i am tired of this ping pong discussion, either you are making a profit or you are not involved because you don't have to buy the sigils from TP.

> @"Linken.6345" said:

> > @"gerrylix.5234" said:

> > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said:

> > > > @"gerrylix.5234" said:

> > > > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said:

> > > > > > @"gerrylix.5234" said:

> > > > > > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said:

> > > > > > > Supply will sort itself over time as players go back to leveling new characters (veterans are starting to get those instant level 60 scrolls) and playing other areas where they can get the drops that have those sigils. Arc being such a drop that stands out as I used to get it a lot.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sure, over a long period of 6 month or more this sigil might come down again.

> > > > > > But who cares if a material for current content has a reasonable value in half a year?

> > > > > > I also don't see any argument for this price tag, the collection has plenty other stuff to buy and grind.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anet just didn't think about the consequences and we are getting 0 response.

> > > > > > **Looking at some TP charts makes me even think that this stinks a bit and can very well be insider trading.**

> > > > >

> > > > > Or it'll be sooner than that. I can see the price being around a gold each by the next episode release.

> > > > >

> > > > > I suggest looking at the charts more closely before throwing out the accusation of insider trading.

> > > >

> > > > "can very well be" =/= accusation

> > > >

> > > > But as a longtime EVE player i know very well what bounderies devs sometimes overthrow for personal gain.

> > > > It is a possibility and not a fact and in the end it doesn't really matter who bought 18k sigils in one swoop.

> > > >

> > > > What matters is that the economy is damaged big time and takes away fun from many players for an unforseeable future unless it is fixed.

> > >

> > > An economy isn't damaged because of a single item. The economy is bigger than that.

> > >

> > > > @"Nunna.6413" said:

> > > > I was having a blast until the sigil part hit me, I thought, oh, finally anet doing something that everyone can enjoy getting it without getting too much pressure, you know, like old times. Nope .. If they think this will make me throw my cc right away to buy some gems to convert or spent tons of hours grinding unreasonable gold for that kind of kitten .. yeah .. not gona happen my dude. I'd rather waste my time doing something else. The price of this thing wont go down, it will go up because they control the market. The hoarders are doing it on purpose, slowly releasing small amounts of sigils while jacking up the price. Even now some of you already moan about how many sigils left in the tp. Yep .. ya know what will happen next. Oh look 14g per sigils. Good job guys. Good job. Remember that morderm bloom event failure? This is also on that level of stupidity. Congratulations.

> > >

> > > That's the same thing people have stated about other items when they had heavily inflated costs right after a release but those prices are also down.

> >

> > Yes the whole sigil economy is, because now everyone and their mother are hording them again, just watch some threads on reddit.

> >

> > I can't really understand why you are defending the situation, may you elaborate why it is a good thing to lock out so many players from having the armor for an unknown timeframe?

>

> To keep people playing longer then the usualy 3-4 days and done I would guess.

> You do know that quite afew exotics have the sigil aswell have you checked to see if all those arent bought up already and have a black lion kit that you can use maybe?

The 3 options are "Arc" farm in silverwastes, "Grimward" farm at mystic forge or powerleveling 25 chars to level 63.

(Option 4 is hoping for a random exotic with the correct sigil.)

All items with the attached sigil are priced now well over 10g from worthless.

https://www.gw2tp.com/item/26557-grimward

https://www.gw2tp.com/item/44980-arc

> @"Ayrilana.1396" said:

> > @"gerrylix.5234" said:

> > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said:

> > > > @"gerrylix.5234" said:

> > > > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said:

> > > > > Supply will sort itself over time as players go back to leveling new characters (veterans are starting to get those instant level 60 scrolls) and playing other areas where they can get the drops that have those sigils. Arc being such a drop that stands out as I used to get it a lot.

> > > >

> > > > Sure, over a long period of 6 month or more this sigil might come down again.

> > > > But who cares if a material for current content has a reasonable value in half a year?

> > > > I also don't see any argument for this price tag, the collection has plenty other stuff to buy and grind.

> > > >

> > > > Anet just didn't think about the consequences and we are getting 0 response.

> > > > **Looking at some TP charts makes me even think that this stinks a bit and can very well be insider trading.**

> > >

> > > Or it'll be sooner than that. I can see the price being around a gold each by the next episode release.

> > >

> > > I suggest looking at the charts more closely before throwing out the accusation of insider trading.

> >

> > "can very well be" =/= accusation

> >

> > But as a longtime EVE player i know very well what bounderies devs sometimes overthrow for personal gain.

> > It is a possibility and not a fact and in the end it doesn't really matter who bought 18k sigils in one swoop.

> >

> > What matters is that the economy is damaged big time and takes away fun from many players for an unforseeable future unless it is fixed.

>

> An economy isn't damaged because of a single item. The economy is bigger than that.

>

> > @"Nunna.6413" said:

> > I was having a blast until the sigil part hit me, I thought, oh, finally anet doing something that everyone can enjoy getting it without getting too much pressure, you know, like old times. Nope .. If they think this will make me throw my cc right away to buy some gems to convert or spent tons of hours grinding unreasonable gold for that kind of kitten .. yeah .. not gona happen my dude. I'd rather waste my time doing something else. The price of this thing wont go down, it will go up because they control the market. The hoarders are doing it on purpose, slowly releasing small amounts of sigils while jacking up the price. Even now some of you already moan about how many sigils left in the tp. Yep .. ya know what will happen next. Oh look 14g per sigils. Good job guys. Good job. Remember that morderm bloom event failure? This is also on that level of stupidity. Congratulations.

>

> That's the same thing people have stated about other items when they had heavily inflated costs right after a release but those prices are also down.

Yes the whole sigil economy is, because now everyone and their mother are hording them again, just watch some threads on reddit.

I can't really understand why you are defending the situation, may you elaborate why it is a good thing to lock out so many players from having the armor for an unknown timeframe?

> @"Ayrilana.1396" said:

> > @"gerrylix.5234" said:

> > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said:

> > > Supply will sort itself over time as players go back to leveling new characters (veterans are starting to get those instant level 60 scrolls) and playing other areas where they can get the drops that have those sigils. Arc being such a drop that stands out as I used to get it a lot.

> >

> > Sure, over a long period of 6 month or more this sigil might come down again.

> > But who cares if a material for current content has a reasonable value in half a year?

> > I also don't see any argument for this price tag, the collection has plenty other stuff to buy and grind.

> >

> > Anet just didn't think about the consequences and we are getting 0 response.

> > **Looking at some TP charts makes me even think that this stinks a bit and can very well be insider trading.**

>

> Or it'll be sooner than that. I can see the price being around a gold each by the next episode release.

>

> I suggest looking at the charts more closely before throwing out the accusation of insider trading.

"can very well be" =/= accusation

But as a longtime EVE player i know very well what bounderies devs sometimes overthrow for personal gain.

It is a possibility and not a fact and in the end it doesn't really matter who bought 18k sigils in one swoop.

What matters is that the economy is damaged big time and takes away fun from many players for an unforseeable future unless it is fixed.

> @"Ayrilana.1396" said:

> Supply will sort itself over time as players go back to leveling new characters (veterans are starting to get those instant level 60 scrolls) and playing other areas where they can get the drops that have those sigils. Arc being such a drop that stands out as I used to get it a lot.

Sure, over a long period of 6 month or more this sigil might come down again.

But who cares if a material for current content has a reasonable value in half a year?

I also don't see any argument for this price tag, the collection has plenty other stuff to buy and grind.

Anet just didn't think about the consequences and we are getting 0 response.

**Looking at some TP charts makes me even think that this stinks a bit and can very well be insider trading.**

Hahahaha new pricejump to 15g

15x25= 450 gold = 1566 gems = ~20$

Can't stop laughing anymore.

<3

> @"Ayrilana.1396" said:

> > @"gerrylix.5234" said:

> > If the sigil pool dries up more, this armor will cost more than a gemstore skin for 800 gems.

> >

> > This LWS is one of the finest so far (besides the usual bugs) but this sigil issue overshadows the whole experience for me.

>

> And in a month the price will be back down.

The influx is way to low for this reasoning. Read it a few times in this thread but i don't see where all those sigils should come from.

If the sigil pool dries up more, this armor will cost more than a gemstore skin for 800 gems.

This LWS is one of the finest so far (besides the usual bugs) but this sigil issue overshadows the whole experience for me.

> @"Artaz.3819" said:

> It would have been much better if it was acquirable from an item behind a dungeon currency...oh well. People would have complained that they had to do a specific dungeon 40-60 times but at least they would be playing longer...ANet so silly

Dungoneer chest is 5g reward per 8 runs + some random coin, bringing this into perspective we are at 135/5=27 27*8= 216 So its around 200 runs for the current price. Ohhh lol i don't even want to see the outcry if people would have to run 200 dungeons. =)

> @"Ayrilana.1396" said:

> Not all rewards need to be a handout.

We are talking about a skin without any stats that has plenty of other tasks to do besides the costs.

I don't know how it would be a handout when it is not tied to a horrendous price tag.

Atm 1 sigil is at **6g 76s **and only 1300 left on the TP and that's even before the weekend spike.

20x 6g 76 =** 135g only for sigils** atm, this will spike even higher

The influx of new sigils is so low that the TP will dry out in no time.

**Let's be honest, this skin is a ripoff and it's sad that anet was so incompetent to not see this coming.**

Yeah, fixing a mainfeature would be amazing. Same issue here at Azi

> @"Arkantos.7460" said:

> never will use the "new" glint f2 active skill ...

The new Glint F2 is a complete mess and has 0 value.

> @"ventusthunder.5067" said:

> Also important to note that the new Hardening Persistence is flat out worse than the old one in terms of damage reduction.

Another useless ripoff for the herald. It's my main character and playstyle and i am just mad at the incompetence of the guys that made the changes.

I don't want to influence the poll, so i keep certain arguments and comments to myself.

> @"XxsdgxX.8109" said:

> Not too bad tbh, time will tell. The lack of free boons on F2 is very noticeable though.

F2 during Legendary Dragon Stance is useless BS. As herald main it's a sad day for me.

Facet of Nature in Legendary Dragon Stance is completely useless. I don't see how anybody wants to use F2 anymore in this stance with -3 upkeep. Do the guys that make the changes even play the profession?