dubidubidubidu.5308 Posted April 10, 2020 Author Share Posted April 10, 2020 > @"apharma.3741" said: > > @"Jazz.4639" said: > > > @"apharma.3741" said: > > > Well this escalated quickly @"Jazz.4639" Thanks for the video, maybe time to go back to your roots with core? > > > > oooof haha yes, i guess that is the bane you have to live with when playing mesmer. if i believe all the toxic whispers i get, then i am just lucky with random skill clicking while being carried from a lame build spamming random dazes left and right. while i wonder where all the fotm players are, eager to play my build for the big carry. anyway, let ppl think what they like to think. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ > > i rly dont want to go deep into this dispute. i made my opinion about one dodge mirage clear, i think it is very bad not mainly bc it is an overnerf for power mirage (also when playing it feels more like having a second job and not like having fun with a gaming hobby and i need 3 weeks vacation after few matches) but mostly bc it deletes most of my abilities to make plays with mirage tools, so it deletes skillneed. and that is what nerfs should not do in my opinion. > > playing core mes instead is an option but you rly miss mobility then, at least in conquest. > > > > Yeah core is pretty much hit and run, mostly on the run if people decide "that mesmer has to die". Wouldn't be too bad if we had a power spec for chrono but that already lends itself to a condi build through rewinder and chrono phantasma letting you get double pistol traited for bleeds and double torch phantasm for AoE burn. Still a pretty bad spec in general that struggles with clone generation yet needs it because no IP. i want to play something that feels like a (shatter) mes, so chrono is not an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotte in space.2158 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 > @"Jazz.4639" said: >when playing it feels more like having a second job Yeah I spent so much time with it that I just can say : too bad I didnt get payed for it Happy easter you too :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apharma.3741 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 > @"Jazz.4639" said: > > @"apharma.3741" said: > > > @"Jazz.4639" said: > > > > @"apharma.3741" said: > > > > Well this escalated quickly @"Jazz.4639" Thanks for the video, maybe time to go back to your roots with core? > > > > > > oooof haha yes, i guess that is the bane you have to live with when playing mesmer. if i believe all the toxic whispers i get, then i am just lucky with random skill clicking while being carried from a lame build spamming random dazes left and right. while i wonder where all the fotm players are, eager to play my build for the big carry. anyway, let ppl think what they like to think. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ > > > i rly dont want to go deep into this dispute. i made my opinion about one dodge mirage clear, i think it is very bad not mainly bc it is an overnerf for power mirage (also when playing it feels more like having a second job and not like having fun with a gaming hobby and i need 3 weeks vacation after few matches) but mostly bc it deletes most of my abilities to make plays with mirage tools, so it deletes skillneed. and that is what nerfs should not do in my opinion. > > > playing core mes instead is an option but you rly miss mobility then, at least in conquest. > > > > > > > Yeah core is pretty much hit and run, mostly on the run if people decide "that mesmer has to die". Wouldn't be too bad if we had a power spec for chrono but that already lends itself to a condi build through rewinder and chrono phantasma letting you get double pistol traited for bleeds and double torch phantasm for AoE burn. Still a pretty bad spec in general that struggles with clone generation yet needs it because no IP. > > i want to play something that feels like a (shatter) mes, so chrono is not an option. Yeah that's the rub, Chrono could feel like a shatter mesmer if it had IP and wasn't all over the place especially with superspeed shatters....it's just they mangled it all to deal with it's doubling up nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubidubidubidu.5308 Posted April 11, 2020 Author Share Posted April 11, 2020 > @"hotte in space.2158" said: > > @"Jazz.4639" said: > >when playing it feels more like having a second job > Yeah I spent so much time with it that I just can say : too bad I didnt get payed for it > Happy easter you too :) > rich! we would be rich! :) > @"apharma.3741" said: > > @"Jazz.4639" said: > > > @"apharma.3741" said: > > > > @"Jazz.4639" said: > > > > > @"apharma.3741" said: > > > > > Well this escalated quickly @"Jazz.4639" Thanks for the video, maybe time to go back to your roots with core? > > > > > > > > oooof haha yes, i guess that is the bane you have to live with when playing mesmer. if i believe all the toxic whispers i get, then i am just lucky with random skill clicking while being carried from a lame build spamming random dazes left and right. while i wonder where all the fotm players are, eager to play my build for the big carry. anyway, let ppl think what they like to think. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ > > > > i rly dont want to go deep into this dispute. i made my opinion about one dodge mirage clear, i think it is very bad not mainly bc it is an overnerf for power mirage (also when playing it feels more like having a second job and not like having fun with a gaming hobby and i need 3 weeks vacation after few matches) but mostly bc it deletes most of my abilities to make plays with mirage tools, so it deletes skillneed. and that is what nerfs should not do in my opinion. > > > > playing core mes instead is an option but you rly miss mobility then, at least in conquest. > > > > > > > > > > Yeah core is pretty much hit and run, mostly on the run if people decide "that mesmer has to die". Wouldn't be too bad if we had a power spec for chrono but that already lends itself to a condi build through rewinder and chrono phantasma letting you get double pistol traited for bleeds and double torch phantasm for AoE burn. Still a pretty bad spec in general that struggles with clone generation yet needs it because no IP. > > > > i want to play something that feels like a (shatter) mes, so chrono is not an option. > > Yeah that's the rub, Chrono could feel like a shatter mesmer if it had IP and wasn't all over the place especially with superspeed shatters....it's just they mangled it all to deal with it's doubling up nature. it is just another rip. they should rename chrono and call it a 10th class. like "The Clunkylist" or something, bc dunno what chrono now is, but it is not a mesmer for me anymore. it can be a hotchpotch class for all elite specs with mechanics nerfed into the ground so that they cant function as intended anymore. mirage then can be its first elite spec we get with the next exansion… what great times to be alive as a power mesmer! \o/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apharma.3741 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 > @"Jazz.4639" said: > > @"hotte in space.2158" said: > > > @"Jazz.4639" said: > > >when playing it feels more like having a second job > > Yeah I spent so much time with it that I just can say : too bad I didnt get payed for it > > Happy easter you too :) > > > > rich! we would be rich! :) > > > @"apharma.3741" said: > > > @"Jazz.4639" said: > > > > @"apharma.3741" said: > > > > > @"Jazz.4639" said: > > > > > > @"apharma.3741" said: > > > > > > Well this escalated quickly @"Jazz.4639" Thanks for the video, maybe time to go back to your roots with core? > > > > > > > > > > oooof haha yes, i guess that is the bane you have to live with when playing mesmer. if i believe all the toxic whispers i get, then i am just lucky with random skill clicking while being carried from a lame build spamming random dazes left and right. while i wonder where all the fotm players are, eager to play my build for the big carry. anyway, let ppl think what they like to think. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ > > > > > i rly dont want to go deep into this dispute. i made my opinion about one dodge mirage clear, i think it is very bad not mainly bc it is an overnerf for power mirage (also when playing it feels more like having a second job and not like having fun with a gaming hobby and i need 3 weeks vacation after few matches) but mostly bc it deletes most of my abilities to make plays with mirage tools, so it deletes skillneed. and that is what nerfs should not do in my opinion. > > > > > playing core mes instead is an option but you rly miss mobility then, at least in conquest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah core is pretty much hit and run, mostly on the run if people decide "that mesmer has to die". Wouldn't be too bad if we had a power spec for chrono but that already lends itself to a condi build through rewinder and chrono phantasma letting you get double pistol traited for bleeds and double torch phantasm for AoE burn. Still a pretty bad spec in general that struggles with clone generation yet needs it because no IP. > > > > > > i want to play something that feels like a (shatter) mes, so chrono is not an option. > > > > Yeah that's the rub, Chrono could feel like a shatter mesmer if it had IP and wasn't all over the place especially with superspeed shatters....it's just they mangled it all to deal with it's doubling up nature. > > it is just another rip. they should rename chrono and call it a 10th class. like "The Clunkylist" or something, bc dunno what chrono now is, but it is not a mesmer for me anymore. it can be a hotchpotch class for all elite specs with mechanics nerfed into the ground so that they cant function as intended anymore. mirage then can be its first elite spec we get with the next exansion… what great times to be alive as a power mesmer! \o/ I dunno I basically think trying to make mirage play power is a bit of a fools errand personally despite the obvious advantages on sword ambush. So many of the traits are condition focused I'd rather they just keep it as a condi duelist and focus on making chrono into a power bruiser. Personally I'm finding the heal nerfs and CD increases on core have hit a bit hard, you can still +1 as power shatter but you have to be very careful if they focus you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heika.5403 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 > @"Jazz.4639" said: snip > it is just another rip. they should rename chrono and call it a 10th class. like "The Clunkylist" or something, bc dunno what chrono now is, but it is not a mesmer for me anymore. it can be a hotchpotch class for all elite specs with mechanics nerfed into the ground so that they cant function as intended anymore. mirage then can be its first elite spec we get with the next exansion… what great times to be alive as a power mesmer! \o/ Well, i will not be surprised if after few balance patches and some rework we end with... Mirage: "The Clunkylist 2.0" And send him to the forgotten well where Chronomancer already is. Will we watch a Mirage 2.0 rework in the future too? Who knows. If it comes, we will see it in the best horror cinemas. Imagine the emotions reading those patch notes... :p :# They will need to make "The Clunkylis 3.0" of the new expansion shine, so they have a lot of work to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubidubidubidu.5308 Posted April 11, 2020 Author Share Posted April 11, 2020 > @"apharma.3741" said: > > @"Jazz.4639" said: > > > @"hotte in space.2158" said: > > > > @"Jazz.4639" said: > > > >when playing it feels more like having a second job > > > Yeah I spent so much time with it that I just can say : too bad I didnt get payed for it > > > Happy easter you too :) > > > > > > > rich! we would be rich! :) > > > > > @"apharma.3741" said: > > > > @"Jazz.4639" said: > > > > > @"apharma.3741" said: > > > > > > @"Jazz.4639" said: > > > > > > > @"apharma.3741" said: > > > > > > > Well this escalated quickly @"Jazz.4639" Thanks for the video, maybe time to go back to your roots with core? > > > > > > > > > > > > oooof haha yes, i guess that is the bane you have to live with when playing mesmer. if i believe all the toxic whispers i get, then i am just lucky with random skill clicking while being carried from a lame build spamming random dazes left and right. while i wonder where all the fotm players are, eager to play my build for the big carry. anyway, let ppl think what they like to think. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ > > > > > > i rly dont want to go deep into this dispute. i made my opinion about one dodge mirage clear, i think it is very bad not mainly bc it is an overnerf for power mirage (also when playing it feels more like having a second job and not like having fun with a gaming hobby and i need 3 weeks vacation after few matches) but mostly bc it deletes most of my abilities to make plays with mirage tools, so it deletes skillneed. and that is what nerfs should not do in my opinion. > > > > > > playing core mes instead is an option but you rly miss mobility then, at least in conquest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah core is pretty much hit and run, mostly on the run if people decide "that mesmer has to die". Wouldn't be too bad if we had a power spec for chrono but that already lends itself to a condi build through rewinder and chrono phantasma letting you get double pistol traited for bleeds and double torch phantasm for AoE burn. Still a pretty bad spec in general that struggles with clone generation yet needs it because no IP. > > > > > > > > i want to play something that feels like a (shatter) mes, so chrono is not an option. > > > > > > Yeah that's the rub, Chrono could feel like a shatter mesmer if it had IP and wasn't all over the place especially with superspeed shatters....it's just they mangled it all to deal with it's doubling up nature. > > > > it is just another rip. they should rename chrono and call it a 10th class. like "The Clunkylist" or something, bc dunno what chrono now is, but it is not a mesmer for me anymore. it can be a hotchpotch class for all elite specs with mechanics nerfed into the ground so that they cant function as intended anymore. mirage then can be its first elite spec we get with the next exansion… what great times to be alive as a power mesmer! \o/ > > I dunno I basically think trying to make mirage play power is a bit of a fools errand personally despite the obvious advantages on sword ambush. So many of the traits are condition focused I'd rather they just keep it as a condi duelist and focus on making chrono into a power bruiser. Personally I'm finding the heal nerfs and CD increases on core have hit a bit hard, you can still +1 as power shatter but you have to be very careful if they focus you. naaah there are 3 trait choices, it is possible to create viable power, condi and sustain/support/utility alternatives, no need to pressure any class or elite into only one direction. > @"Heika.5403" said: > > @"Jazz.4639" said: > snip > > it is just another rip. they should rename chrono and call it a 10th class. like "The Clunkylist" or something, bc dunno what chrono now is, but it is not a mesmer for me anymore. it can be a hotchpotch class for all elite specs with mechanics nerfed into the ground so that they cant function as intended anymore. mirage then can be its first elite spec we get with the next exansion… what great times to be alive as a power mesmer! \o/ > > Well, i will not be surprised if after few balance patches and some rework we end with... Mirage: "The Clunkylist 2.0" And send him to the forgotten well where Chronomancer already is. Will we watch a Mirage 2.0 rework in the future too? Who knows. If it comes, we will see it in the best horror cinemas. Imagine the emotions reading those patch notes... :p :# > > They will need to make "The Clunkylis 3.0" of the new expansion shine, so they have a lot of work to do. dont give me nightmares :scream: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apharma.3741 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 > @"Jazz.4639" said: > > @"apharma.3741" said: > > > @"Jazz.4639" said: > > > > @"hotte in space.2158" said: > > > > > @"Jazz.4639" said: > > > > >when playing it feels more like having a second job > > > > Yeah I spent so much time with it that I just can say : too bad I didnt get payed for it > > > > Happy easter you too :) > > > > > > > > > > rich! we would be rich! :) > > > > > > > @"apharma.3741" said: > > > > > @"Jazz.4639" said: > > > > > > @"apharma.3741" said: > > > > > > > @"Jazz.4639" said: > > > > > > > > @"apharma.3741" said: > > > > > > > > Well this escalated quickly @"Jazz.4639" Thanks for the video, maybe time to go back to your roots with core? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oooof haha yes, i guess that is the bane you have to live with when playing mesmer. if i believe all the toxic whispers i get, then i am just lucky with random skill clicking while being carried from a lame build spamming random dazes left and right. while i wonder where all the fotm players are, eager to play my build for the big carry. anyway, let ppl think what they like to think. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ > > > > > > > i rly dont want to go deep into this dispute. i made my opinion about one dodge mirage clear, i think it is very bad not mainly bc it is an overnerf for power mirage (also when playing it feels more like having a second job and not like having fun with a gaming hobby and i need 3 weeks vacation after few matches) but mostly bc it deletes most of my abilities to make plays with mirage tools, so it deletes skillneed. and that is what nerfs should not do in my opinion. > > > > > > > playing core mes instead is an option but you rly miss mobility then, at least in conquest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah core is pretty much hit and run, mostly on the run if people decide "that mesmer has to die". Wouldn't be too bad if we had a power spec for chrono but that already lends itself to a condi build through rewinder and chrono phantasma letting you get double pistol traited for bleeds and double torch phantasm for AoE burn. Still a pretty bad spec in general that struggles with clone generation yet needs it because no IP. > > > > > > > > > > i want to play something that feels like a (shatter) mes, so chrono is not an option. > > > > > > > > Yeah that's the rub, Chrono could feel like a shatter mesmer if it had IP and wasn't all over the place especially with superspeed shatters....it's just they mangled it all to deal with it's doubling up nature. > > > > > > it is just another rip. they should rename chrono and call it a 10th class. like "The Clunkylist" or something, bc dunno what chrono now is, but it is not a mesmer for me anymore. it can be a hotchpotch class for all elite specs with mechanics nerfed into the ground so that they cant function as intended anymore. mirage then can be its first elite spec we get with the next exansion… what great times to be alive as a power mesmer! \o/ > > > > I dunno I basically think trying to make mirage play power is a bit of a fools errand personally despite the obvious advantages on sword ambush. So many of the traits are condition focused I'd rather they just keep it as a condi duelist and focus on making chrono into a power bruiser. Personally I'm finding the heal nerfs and CD increases on core have hit a bit hard, you can still +1 as power shatter but you have to be very careful if they focus you. > > naaah there are 3 trait choices, it is possible to create viable power, condi and support/utility alternatives, no need to pressure any class or elite into only one direction. > I guess that's a difference in perspective. I personally think elite specs should be specialised into a role and doing it in different ways. Mirage being condi duelist it can up it's personal defences, have a bit more debuff ability/utility and then traits that up the personal damage and it's relatively OK. Hard to know how it interacts with every trait choice and line in each combo but by and large mirage is in a "playable" spot for condi. Power you can make work the same way you can make power scourge work, sure it can work as viable but it's not really supposed to be played that way and it won't be easy so you shouldn't complain if it's not very good. That's why I think it's a bit of a fools errand trying to make power mirage a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubidubidubidu.5308 Posted April 11, 2020 Author Share Posted April 11, 2020 > @"apharma.3741" said: yes we have different perspective here, even tho your perspective would save me a lot of money. no need to buy any expansion for a mesmer spec that is only playable as condi or bunker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apharma.3741 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 > @"Jazz.4639" said: > > @"apharma.3741" said: > yes we have different perspective here, even tho your perspective would save me a lot of money. no need to buy any expansion for a mesmer spec that is only playable as condi or bunker. > Well we are getting a new expansion :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubidubidubidu.5308 Posted April 11, 2020 Author Share Posted April 11, 2020 > @"apharma.3741" said: > > @"Jazz.4639" said: > > > @"apharma.3741" said: > > yes we have different perspective here, even tho your perspective would save me a lot of money. no need to buy any expansion for a mesmer spec that is only playable as condi or bunker. > > > > Well we are getting a new expansion :lol: i know and i saw a leak, ofc nothing confirmed, probs fake but sounds realistic. it didnt say much, only this: a new class will be released "The Clunkylist" coming directly with his first elite traitline mirage. the new class replaces any further mesmer elites bc we have decided that mesmers should not have any elites. gs as a weapon further gets deleted from the class to define mesmer as a condi spec. the Clunkylist is a magical perma off meta class who wield deception of viability as a weapon. using unpowerful illusions to ensure that their enemies do not get confused and can believe their own eyes again. clunkylists tip the balance of every fight in enemies favor. mirage elite weapon will be the gs. muha (crying in the corner) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odik.4587 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 > @"Jazz.4639" said: > > @"apharma.3741" said: > > > @"Jazz.4639" said: > > > > @"apharma.3741" said: > > > yes we have different perspective here, even tho your perspective would save me a lot of money. no need to buy any expansion for a mesmer spec that is only playable as condi or bunker. > > > > > > > Well we are getting a new expansion :lol: > > i know and i saw a leak, ofc nothing confirmed, probs fake but sounds realistic. it didnt say much, only this: > > a new class will be released "The Clunkylist" coming directly with his first elite traitline mirage. the new class replaces any further mesmer elites bc we have decided that mesmers should not have any elites. gs as a weapon further gets deleted from the class to define mesmer as a condi spec. > the Clunkylist is a magical perma off meta class who wield deception of viability as a weapon. using unpowerful illusions to ensure that their enemies do not get confused and can believe their own eyes again. clunkylists tip the balance of every fight in enemies favor. mirage elite weapon will be the gs. > > muha (crying in the corner) Ngl, you got me :joy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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