Dark Red Killian.3946 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 What I am gettin bored of is a new weapon set I feel like on almost every release of ice brood saga. I mean they could make another armor set as we have had one full set the whole saga, and two partial sets but those are more thematic. I want an ascended runic set that can be upgraded to legendary or something. That could help the longevity of icebrood saga replayability. The volcanic sets could stand have more chance to get them. Although with two more episodes maybe they will become easier to get with more mastery? I can hope this is the case. But I agree no point in mastery points locked behind, because you will get all you need in mastery points before you even get one piece of the set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugo.4705 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 In addition of being expensive, I hate the "you need this other set to make that set" I was very angry that after finally finishing the last mastery, to discover that I need to craft the original dragon slayer weapons to get those crimson and azure ones. No way I put a single gold in them. You already did the mistake with boreal, and you do it again with dragon slayers. You never learn? Incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtena.7952 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 > @"hugo.4705" said: > In addition of being expensive, I hate the "you need this other set to make that set" I was very angry that after finally finishing the last mastery, to discover that I need to craft the original dragon slayer weapons to get those crimson and azure ones. No way I put a single gold in them. You already did the mistake with stormcallers, and you do it again with dragon slayers. You never learn? Incredible. Actually, there is probably a reason they did it this way, perhaps based on it impacts materials consumption, or other factors most people can't even begin to imagine themselves. To call it a 'mistake' is just a view with a very narrow focus and a lack of understanding. I don't really the get the original complaint though ... this isn't content people have to do if they don't want to. Almost nothing in this game is, except for leveling. People need to stop assuming that if they complain they don't like certain kinds of content, it means they will get other kinds of content they do like. We get access to ALL MANNER of different content for exactly that reasons. Anet has that 'content consumption' data ... we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrilana.1396 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 > @"hugo.4705" said: > In addition of being expensive, I hate the "you need this other set to make that set" I was very angry that after finally finishing the last mastery, to discover that I need to craft the original dragon slayer weapons to get those crimson and azure ones. No way I put a single gold in them. Considering that crimson/azure weapons are upgrades of the dragon slayer weapons, it makes sense that one would need to craft the dragon slayer weapon first. > You already did the mistake with stormcallers, and you do it again with dragon slayers. You never learn? Incredible. The mistake with Stormcallers was that people got rid of the actual weapons which were needed for the next set (the weapons were part of the recipe). You would only be able to make that comparison if the dragon slayer weapons themselves were actually needed to craft the crimson/azure weapons which they're not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > @"hugo.4705" said: > > In addition of being expensive, I hate the "you need this other set to make that set" I was very angry that after finally finishing the last mastery, to discover that I need to craft the original dragon slayer weapons to get those crimson and azure ones. No way I put a single gold in them. > > Considering that crimson/azure weapons are upgrades of the dragon slayer weapons, it makes sense that one would need to craft the dragon slayer weapon first. > > > You already did the mistake with stormcallers, and you do it again with dragon slayers. You never learn? Incredible. > > The mistake with Stormcallers was that people got rid of the actual weapons which were needed for the next set (the weapons were part of the recipe). You would only be able to make that comparison if the dragon slayer weapons themselves were actually needed to craft the crimson/azure weapons which they're not. It was the boreal weapons they did that misstake with since there was no hint of it having to be used later. Stormcaller weapons had a flavor text that it should be used but was then deemed to not be used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashantara.8731 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 > @"DAN.7314" said: > I just bought 200 of the new deldrimor supply chests that can drop the volcanic weapon boxes. They cost me 4 thousand tyrian defense seals. I got zero volcanic weapon boxes. I've opened another 50 of these boxes previously and got zero as well. > > I've opened 250 DRM end chests or more (mostly gold chests from CMs). I've gotten zero volcanic weapon chests from there. > > I could understand if it was a rare weapon collection with no mastery point tied to it, but this is a STORY achievement with a mastery point! I haven't gotten a single weapon for this collection, and I have played DRMs a ton! I only got 2 out of chests, so I had to buy the set. I've played those DRMs daily, 5-7 a day. Never received a single drop from there. By the way, "1,000 Gold", as mentioned in the title, is a joke - it costs _a lot_ more than that, easily three times that amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrilana.1396 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 > @"Linken.6345" said: > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > @"hugo.4705" said: > > > In addition of being expensive, I hate the "you need this other set to make that set" I was very angry that after finally finishing the last mastery, to discover that I need to craft the original dragon slayer weapons to get those crimson and azure ones. No way I put a single gold in them. > > > > Considering that crimson/azure weapons are upgrades of the dragon slayer weapons, it makes sense that one would need to craft the dragon slayer weapon first. > > > > > You already did the mistake with stormcallers, and you do it again with dragon slayers. You never learn? Incredible. > > > > The mistake with Stormcallers was that people got rid of the actual weapons which were needed for the next set (the weapons were part of the recipe). You would only be able to make that comparison if the dragon slayer weapons themselves were actually needed to craft the crimson/azure weapons which they're not. > > It was the boreal weapons they did that misstake with since there was no hint of it having to be used later. > Stormcaller weapons had a flavor text that it should be used but was then deemed to not be used. Ah. I must've forgotten, but either way, the person I quoted is still wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugo.4705 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > @"hugo.4705" said: > > In addition of being expensive, I hate the "you need this other set to make that set" I was very angry that after finally finishing the last mastery, to discover that I need to craft the original dragon slayer weapons to get those crimson and azure ones. No way I put a single gold in them. > > Considering that crimson/azure weapons are upgrades of the dragon slayer weapons, it makes sense that one would need to craft the dragon slayer weapon first. > > > You already did the mistake with stormcallers, and you do it again with dragon slayers. You never learn? Incredible. > > The mistake with Stormcallers was that people got rid of the actual weapons which were needed for the next set (the weapons were part of the recipe). You would only be able to make that comparison if the dragon slayer weapons themselves were actually needed to craft the crimson/azure weapons which they're not. Check in game before launching facts, you can't purchase the crimson and azure recipe without crafting the corresponding dragon slayer weapon. Sure they aren't used in the craft, but not having them still prevent you to get the next version. How stupid is this? Imagine a player joining the game at chapter 2 and not understanding at all why he can't get the azure and crimson weapons? Those aren't new rewards, but more locked ones. I am not free to do how I want to get those, I am forced to make the previous sets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrilana.1396 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 > @"hugo.4705" said: > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > @"hugo.4705" said: > > > In addition of being expensive, I hate the "you need this other set to make that set" I was very angry that after finally finishing the last mastery, to discover that I need to craft the original dragon slayer weapons to get those crimson and azure ones. No way I put a single gold in them. > > > > Considering that crimson/azure weapons are upgrades of the dragon slayer weapons, it makes sense that one would need to craft the dragon slayer weapon first. > > > > > You already did the mistake with stormcallers, and you do it again with dragon slayers. You never learn? Incredible. > > > > The mistake with Stormcallers was that people got rid of the actual weapons which were needed for the next set (the weapons were part of the recipe). You would only be able to make that comparison if the dragon slayer weapons themselves were actually needed to craft the crimson/azure weapons which they're not. > > They are, check in game before launching facts, you can't purchase the crimson and azure recipe without crafting the corresponding dragon slayer weapon. > I am not free to do how I want to get those, I am forced to make the previous sets. I did state the facts and this is what I said. If you read the rest of my post, you’ll see that I was disputing your comparison to Stormcaller/Boreal. See below from your post: > The mistake with Stormcallers was that people got rid of the actual weapons which were needed for the next set Only boreal required the **ACTUAL** weapon to craft the next upgrade as it was part of the recipe. **None of the recipes for the Champions episode so far have required the weapons as a part of the recipe.**. Once you craft the weapon, you can get rid of them as was confirmed by Anet in the other thread that you’re aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugo.4705 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > @"hugo.4705" said: > > In addition of being expensive, I hate the "you need this other set to make that set" I was very angry that after finally finishing the last mastery, to discover that I need to craft the original dragon slayer weapons to get those crimson and azure ones. No way I put a single gold in them. You already did the mistake with stormcallers, and you do it again with dragon slayers. You never learn? Incredible. > > Actually, there is probably a reason they did it this way, perhaps based on it impacts materials consumption, or other factors most people can't even begin to imagine themselves. To call it a 'mistake' is just a view with a very narrow focus and a lack of understanding. I don't really the get the original complaint though ... this isn't content people have to do if they don't want to. Almost nothing in this game is, except for leveling. People need to stop assuming that if they complain they don't like certain kinds of content, it means they will get other kinds of content they do like. We get access to ALL MANNER of different content for exactly that reasons. Anet has that 'content consumption' data ... we don't. Nah it is a mistake. Opinions you know. Sorry but forcing you to craft the first sets and making the following steps account bounds isn't clever. I wouldn't be here to complain if I could buy any crimson out of the tp for 40g. Your "don't want then don't go for it" doesn't stand, I want the crimson weapons, but without the useless boring long way of crafting the dragon slayers "base" version first. It's simple. Gonna pass on your "if not liking the content and expecting a content you like" stop deforming words, I like the content cause I want the crimson, azure and charged stormcallers.. Check the wiki if you don't believe me, crimson and azure are bound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugo.4705 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 > @"Linken.6345" said: > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > @"hugo.4705" said: > > > In addition of being expensive, I hate the "you need this other set to make that set" I was very angry that after finally finishing the last mastery, to discover that I need to craft the original dragon slayer weapons to get those crimson and azure ones. No way I put a single gold in them. > > > > Considering that crimson/azure weapons are upgrades of the dragon slayer weapons, it makes sense that one would need to craft the dragon slayer weapon first. > > > > > You already did the mistake with stormcallers, and you do it again with dragon slayers. You never learn? Incredible. > > > > The mistake with Stormcallers was that people got rid of the actual weapons which were needed for the next set (the weapons were part of the recipe). You would only be able to make that comparison if the dragon slayer weapons themselves were actually needed to craft the crimson/azure weapons which they're not. > > It was the boreal weapons they did that misstake with since there was no hint of it having to be used later. > Stormcaller weapons had a flavor text that it should be used but was then deemed to not be used. Totally agree. Stormcallers, even the charged ones are okay for me, also I can buy any of them on Tp. What I am angry about is the dragonslayers ones cause I can't buy the crimson and azures directly off the tp. Boreals, I forgot about them. Corrected my original post, meant boreal indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrilana.1396 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 > @"hugo.4705" said: > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > > @"hugo.4705" said: > > > > In addition of being expensive, I hate the "you need this other set to make that set" I was very angry that after finally finishing the last mastery, to discover that I need to craft the original dragon slayer weapons to get those crimson and azure ones. No way I put a single gold in them. > > > > > > Considering that crimson/azure weapons are upgrades of the dragon slayer weapons, it makes sense that one would need to craft the dragon slayer weapon first. > > > > > > > You already did the mistake with stormcallers, and you do it again with dragon slayers. You never learn? Incredible. > > > > > > The mistake with Stormcallers was that people got rid of the actual weapons which were needed for the next set (the weapons were part of the recipe). You would only be able to make that comparison if the dragon slayer weapons themselves were actually needed to craft the crimson/azure weapons which they're not. > > > > It was the boreal weapons they did that misstake with since there was no hint of it having to be used later. > > Stormcaller weapons had a flavor text that it should be used but was then deemed to not be used. > > Totally agree. Stormcallers, even the charged ones are okay for me, also I can buy any of them on Tp. What I am angry about is the dragonslayers ones cause I can't buy the crimson and azures directly off the tp. > Boreals, I forgot about them. > Corrected my original post, meant boreal indeed. You can buy the materials for the weapons off the TP and then only need a minimal number of prismatacite shards for the recipes. Anet requiring players to have unlocked the previous version in order to get the upgraded version is nothing new. They've been doing this for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ugrakarma.9416 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 GW2 efficiency is calculating 2k + for some of these collections, a bit more they will reach a legendary cost(2,5k~3k). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugo.4705 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > @"hugo.4705" said: > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > > > @"hugo.4705" said: > > > > > In addition of being expensive, I hate the "you need this other set to make that set" I was very angry that after finally finishing the last mastery, to discover that I need to craft the original dragon slayer weapons to get those crimson and azure ones. No way I put a single gold in them. > > > > > > > > Considering that crimson/azure weapons are upgrades of the dragon slayer weapons, it makes sense that one would need to craft the dragon slayer weapon first. > > > > > > > > > You already did the mistake with stormcallers, and you do it again with dragon slayers. You never learn? Incredible. > > > > > > > > The mistake with Stormcallers was that people got rid of the actual weapons which were needed for the next set (the weapons were part of the recipe). You would only be able to make that comparison if the dragon slayer weapons themselves were actually needed to craft the crimson/azure weapons which they're not. > > > > > > It was the boreal weapons they did that misstake with since there was no hint of it having to be used later. > > > Stormcaller weapons had a flavor text that it should be used but was then deemed to not be used. > > > > Totally agree. Stormcallers, even the charged ones are okay for me, also I can buy any of them on Tp. What I am angry about is the dragonslayers ones cause I can't buy the crimson and azures directly off the tp. > > Boreals, I forgot about them. > > Corrected my original post, meant boreal indeed. > > You can buy the materials for the weapons off the TP and then only need a minimal number of prismatacite shards for the recipes. > > Anet requiring players to have unlocked the previous version in order to get the upgraded version is nothing new. They've been doing this for years. As ugrakarma said. They are expensive. So it returns to my original post, they are expensive and annoy you to make every step. Is it bad to ask for them to be available on TP? I answer, no. It is totally fine and don't see anything wrong, the player made the long way of getting the steps and crafting a crimson rifle as example, I buy it and give him gold in exchange. Anet simply must stop making everything bound, this isn't gonna push me making all the collections for sake of doing them. And no, no players should be punished of not getting a skin because they don't want to do a specific content or crafting tons of stupid pre versions that looks like nothing. Again, it just instore disgust in minds, not any desire or want. Yes it is a punishement, bad decision, and ruin a subpart of fashion wars. Care about saying when they required doing similar things? Never as much as lastly in their chapters. Auric hot weapons? Can have them easily. Forged weapons in pof? Easy. Awakened weapons? Not hard. Dungeon weapons? Easy. Fractals? Not that difficult. Apart abyssals. Bl chests one? Can be bought. Legendary gens 2? Fine to me, they are differents, and it worths the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrilana.1396 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 > @"hugo.4705" said: > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > @"hugo.4705" said: > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > > > > @"hugo.4705" said: > > > > > > In addition of being expensive, I hate the "you need this other set to make that set" I was very angry that after finally finishing the last mastery, to discover that I need to craft the original dragon slayer weapons to get those crimson and azure ones. No way I put a single gold in them. > > > > > > > > > > Considering that crimson/azure weapons are upgrades of the dragon slayer weapons, it makes sense that one would need to craft the dragon slayer weapon first. > > > > > > > > > > > You already did the mistake with stormcallers, and you do it again with dragon slayers. You never learn? Incredible. > > > > > > > > > > The mistake with Stormcallers was that people got rid of the actual weapons which were needed for the next set (the weapons were part of the recipe). You would only be able to make that comparison if the dragon slayer weapons themselves were actually needed to craft the crimson/azure weapons which they're not. > > > > > > > > It was the boreal weapons they did that misstake with since there was no hint of it having to be used later. > > > > Stormcaller weapons had a flavor text that it should be used but was then deemed to not be used. > > > > > > Totally agree. Stormcallers, even the charged ones are okay for me, also I can buy any of them on Tp. What I am angry about is the dragonslayers ones cause I can't buy the crimson and azures directly off the tp. > > > Boreals, I forgot about them. > > > Corrected my original post, meant boreal indeed. > > > > You can buy the materials for the weapons off the TP and then only need a minimal number of prismatacite shards for the recipes. > > > > Anet requiring players to have unlocked the previous version in order to get the upgraded version is nothing new. They've been doing this for years. > > As ugrakarma said. They are expensive. So it returns to my original post, they are expensive and annoy you to make every step. Is it bad to ask for them to be available on TP? > Your post stated: "What I am angry about is the dragonslayers ones cause I can't buy the crimson and azures directly off the tp." You're were upset about not being able to purchase them; not about the cost. You're just moving the goalpost. > I answer, no. It is totally fine and don't see anything wrong, the player made the long way of getting the steps and crafting a crimson rifle as example, I buy it and give him gold in exchange. > The major "step" in crafting the weapons is gets the prismaticite crystals for the ingots. You can bypass this by buying the ingots off the TP. You can't buy the weapon directly but you can cut out 95% of the effort. > Anet simply must stop making everything bound, this isn't gonna push me making all the collections for sake of doing them. And no, no players should be punished of not getting a skin because they don't want to do a specific content or crafting tons of stupid pre versions that looks like nothing. Again, it just instore disgust in minds, not any desire or want. > > Yes it is a punishement, bad decision, and ruin a subpart of fashion wars. Rewards being bound is to get you to do the content rather than whip out a credit card and bypass all of it or simply farm elsewhere in the game in order to do the same. It also makes little sense to be able to craft an upgrade of an item without having crafted the item being upgraded first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manasa Devi.7958 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: >It also makes little sense to be able to craft an upgrade of an item without having crafted the item being upgraded first. This is video game sense I guess? Because I can't discern any other kind of sense in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrilana.1396 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 > @"Manasa Devi.7958" said: > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > >It also makes little sense to be able to craft an upgrade of an item without having crafted the item being upgraded first. > This is video game sense I guess? Because I can't discern any other kind of sense in it. You build on top of an existing model like how they did precursors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manasa Devi.7958 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > @"Manasa Devi.7958" said: > > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > >It also makes little sense to be able to craft an upgrade of an item without having crafted the item being upgraded first. > > This is video game sense I guess? Because I can't discern any other kind of sense in it. > > You build on top of an existing model like how they did precursors. With precursors you take a part of the earlier design to use in the newer design. Totally different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrilana.1396 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 > @"Manasa Devi.7958" said: > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > @"Manasa Devi.7958" said: > > > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > >It also makes little sense to be able to craft an upgrade of an item without having crafted the item being upgraded first. > > > This is video game sense I guess? Because I can't discern any other kind of sense in it. > > > > You build on top of an existing model like how they did precursors. > With precursors you take a part of the earlier design to use in the newer design. Totally different. If you look at the weapons, you’ll see that you’re doing that. The fact that they say “upgrade” should also be a good indicator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtena.7952 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 > @"hugo.4705" said: > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > @"hugo.4705" said: > > > In addition of being expensive, I hate the "you need this other set to make that set" I was very angry that after finally finishing the last mastery, to discover that I need to craft the original dragon slayer weapons to get those crimson and azure ones. No way I put a single gold in them. You already did the mistake with stormcallers, and you do it again with dragon slayers. You never learn? Incredible. > > > > Actually, there is probably a reason they did it this way, perhaps based on it impacts materials consumption, or other factors most people can't even begin to imagine themselves. To call it a 'mistake' is just a view with a very narrow focus and a lack of understanding. I don't really the get the original complaint though ... this isn't content people have to do if they don't want to. Almost nothing in this game is, except for leveling. People need to stop assuming that if they complain they don't like certain kinds of content, it means they will get other kinds of content they do like. We get access to ALL MANNER of different content for exactly that reasons. Anet has that 'content consumption' data ... we don't. > > > > Nah it is a mistake. What is simple here is this: you don't get stuff you want if you don't do the content to get it. There isn't anything 'mistake' about it; how the game is implemented isn't by accident. This isn't not a matter of opinion either ... it's how EVERY MMO has worked since EVER. You're just unhappy with the cost and the process to get what you like in this case, but make NO mistake, doing something to get something, as defined by the game absolutely DOES stand. > > Gonna pass on your "if not liking the content and expecting a content you like" stop deforming words, I like the content cause I want the crimson, azure and charged stormcallers.. OK ... no skin off my back if you 'pass'; that changes nothing of what I said though. You're saying you LIKE the content and it's clear you like the skins ... so what is your actually issue here? I mean, if you don't have a problem with the content to get the skins and the skins themselves, seems you're complaint is contradicting what you are saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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