Daniel.5428 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Everyone know how many people complained about Dhuum's orb mechanic being broken. I wouldn't calling it broken, but is it difficult to learn and this is true. I tried learning it but I find it annoying for the following reason, to learn it, you need to do it at least 25-30 times which means around 25-30 failed attempts on boss. Is hard to find a pug squad where people will not leave or you will not be kicked after the first 10 attempts. So what I am asking now? A way to train it. Maybe a special option is training room where you are turned into an orb and have the opportunity to collect red globes or something like this. Even a tonic would work. I really want to be very possitive, I killed the first 3 bosses and I want Dhuum so I am ready to spend time learning the orb control, but is just annoying to lose 5-6 minutes every try just to have the opportunity to train the control itself for 10 seconds. Can we get a new way of training for it, please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 I thought w5 was 2 bosses 2 events Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris McSwag.4683 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 You shouldn’t need 25-30 attempts once you realise it’s not as difficult as it may seem. Keep to the left side and avoid the mid cylinder and you should be fine. On a different note, it seems like the amount of orbs depend on how many spiders that have been killed, so make sure your team is doing that well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel.5428 Posted December 7, 2017 Author Share Posted December 7, 2017 > @"Chris McSwag.4683" said: > You shouldn’t need 25-30 attempts once you realise it’s not as difficult as it may seem. Keep to the left side and avoid the mid cylinder and you should be fine. On a different note, it seems like the amount of orbs depend on how many spiders that have been killed, so make sure your team is doing that well There are enough orbs, but i have problems with up-down control become the red orbs are small and I have to looks for above to see them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel.5428 Posted December 7, 2017 Author Share Posted December 7, 2017 > @Linken.6345 said: > I thought w5 was 2 bosses 2 events River and Statues are simple events but considering they give you tokens and LI, they are the equivalent of a boss. So we can say that W5 has 4 bosses even if River is an escort event and statues are 3 smaller bosses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris McSwag.4683 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 You don’t need to go up/down, there should be more than enough on your “height”. At least I don’t recall going up/down and I’ve probably done over 50 greens at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel.5428 Posted December 7, 2017 Author Share Posted December 7, 2017 > @"Chris McSwag.4683" said: > You don’t need to go up/down, there should be more than enough on your “height”. At least I don’t recall going up/down and I’ve probably done over 50 greens at this point yeah, from time to time is tricky because they have some delay until they count as collected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconut.7082 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 > @Daniel.5428 said: > > @"Chris McSwag.4683" said: > > You don’t need to go up/down, there should be more than enough on your “height”. At least I don’t recall going up/down and I’ve probably done over 50 greens at this point > > yeah, from time to time is tricky because they have some delay until they count as collected. You don't need, nor can go up/down (unlike in the Soul Eater event), you can only stay at one height. Something that helped me a lot when I started doing it is to realize that the "part" of your character that needs to "touch" the orbs in order to collect them is slightly below the middle of your screen (there's the "core" of your soul in the middle, and a bit below it there's some king of glowing orb with a static aura), try looking for it. Also worth noticing that if you are at a corner and ran out of orbs to collect, they keep re-spawning all the time from the edges, so it might be worth just waiting in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miku.3025 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 this is a very good idea. i hope dev can implement some training room for various mechanics so people can practice there without having to join a group to pug it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxwelgm.4315 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 A "Boss golem" that does mechanics would be a nice addition to the Special Training Area, even though I'm not sure how hard it would be to develop. Everyone would benefit (even the people claiming they have no assistance to get into raids) and it would only become a richer feature in time as more raids are released. Just reuse assets and have the golem repeat the boss maneuvers (would probably require modifying the area though, where the hard part comes into). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry.5713 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Keep clearing the Deathlings as often as you can. This spawns small orbs obove. The dedicated players will be able to pick small orbs as well as the big one far more easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel.5428 Posted December 7, 2017 Author Share Posted December 7, 2017 > @maxwelgm.4315 said: > A "Boss golem" that does mechanics would be a nice addition to the Special Training Area, even though I'm not sure how hard it would be to develop. Everyone would benefit (even the people claiming they have no assistance to get into raids) and it would only become a richer feature in time as more raids are released. Just reuse assets and have the golem repeat the boss maneuvers (would probably require modifying the area though, where the hard part comes into). They can do something like Taimi's simulator from LS3. They can reuse that simulator map and just spamm mechanics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddoctor.2738 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Or they could do it in the same way you learn about Vale Guardian mechanics: with proper pre-events / trash mobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxwelgm.4315 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 The pre-events being properly done is the best way possible to solve this I think. But now that you mentioned Taimi's simulator that would actually be pretty fun. AND if it was "inside" the Special Training you could also test yourself with different mechanics and buff setups. Still think it's too much work though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miku.3025 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 I tried with a training group today to do green.. it's fairly painful but sort of understand a bit but still high risk of failing.. I'm playing with 400 ping not sure if that's causing a problem with collecting orb too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miku.3025 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 i have noticed that the timer started as soon as i go up before reaching the top.. is this intended? i have a video if it helps .. i play with 400 -600 ping so every second means a lot.. also some orb even when my character go right on it, it doesn't get picked up (perhaps i just need more practice to get better? :P) https://youtu.be/hdB5T80i-Dc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miku.3025 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 yeah from the video I lost 5 second before i get up there :P yeh it will be nice if timer starts when we get up there or catch the first orb. i think the later will be too easy lol :P :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lalainnia.3598 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 I found this guide from Kairos to be extremely helpful just watching the route they take on multiple orb phases made a big difference for me On that note though I'm somewhat 2 sided on the implementation of having a raid mech practice room outside of the actual raid. Some ppl actually look at that as the best way to learn and love the challenging aspect of figuring it out inside the raid itself. While on the other hand like you stated most the time pug groups want ppl that have the orb phase down to perfection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miku.3025 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 mmm it looks easy ya hahahahaha! :P i compared the video.... she stayed at the orb for a bit before moving ahead.. i sorta move too fast ahead around the world... mmm i should try that. still worry about it due to the high ping i guess i never know until i try again. thanks for the video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miku.3025 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I would like to update this... Thanks to kairos video and a sketch he made and explanation.. I can do green really easily now even with high ping. I thought it's important to update bcos earlier I was question about my ping for this mechanic. Watch kairos video and read the comment in his video.. he provided a very very useful sketch to help. I find myself perfect every green now .. only fail if I'm greedy lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddoctor.2738 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I tried it first time on Friday, had very little problems with it. I didn't even watch a video, nor a guide, on how to do it. I hope you are talking about the orbs you eat when you go up when you save a Reaper (Green circles) and not some other orbs that I don't know about. Some tips from a first timer: 1) Aim your camera up to see where is the nearest big orb then plan your path to go eat that one (you will get little ones on the way), also if you aim up you can clearly see if the left or the right side has more orbs to eat. 2) If timer is running out, don't go for the big orb, better you don't eat it and survive 3) I was playing a human and my character was ABOVE the orbs, still I was eating them but in a 3D environment it's rather hard to know if you are above, or below an orb. I think what the developers can try and do is make the orbs float at the center of the player model, that way, regardless of how tall you are, you can eat the orbs properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazut.4296 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 I find catching orbs very easy, until you got the rng run where only 3-4 orbs spawns and got killed :D But as whole its easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reapex.8546 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 > @"Lalainnia.3598" said: > I found this guide from Kairos to be extremely helpful just watching the route they take on multiple orb phases made a big difference for me > > > On that note though I'm somewhat 2 sided on the implementation of having a raid mech practice room outside of the actual raid. Some ppl actually look at that as the best way to learn and love the challenging aspect of figuring it out inside the raid itself. While on the other hand like you stated most the time pug groups want ppl that have the orb phase down to perfection. Thank you for the video, I'm having issues where I would go left to catch the big orb and then there are barely any orb dots on the left side of the room. I've gotten faster but normally miss the 5th orb. One person recommended for me just to wait at the beginning and a ton of orbs will spawn. I'll have to try that out but mostly people are looking for experience orb collectors in groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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