InsaneQR.7412 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 I had a discussion lately after the mesmer overhaul about phantasmal berserker, its corresponding trait, chronomancer and chrono phantasma. Is it really possible with continuum split, traited berserker with chronophantasma and signet if ether to unleash 16 berserkers at a time? We tried to pull it off but we didnt manage to do so. Any mesmer mains that can approve on this theory craft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace al Thor.6745 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 16? Not in anyway I can think of. 6-8 is the most I think you could get and st that point half your bar will be on cd so it’s not worth it in a PvP/WvW setting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodeni.6041 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Yes it is possible. F5 (with 2 or 3 clones out) -> Greatsword spawns 4 berserkers per skill activation (2 with domination grandmaster trait, 2 respawn with chronophantasma = 4 berserkers) -> heal signet -> 4 berserkers again -> f5 -> 4 berserkers -> heal signet -> 4 berserkers makes 16 berserkers in total. It's quite funny in PvE but in PvP there are way better builds so don't worry it's not op. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace al Thor.6745 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 > @"Sodeni.6041" said: > Yes it is possible. > > F5 -> Greatsword spawns 4 berserkers per skill activation (2 with domination grandmaster trait, 2 respawn with chronophantasma = 4 berserkers) -> heal signet -> 4 berserkers again -> f5 -> 4 berserkers -> heal signet -> 4 berserkers makes 16 berserkers in total. > > > It's quite funny in PvE but in PvP there are way better builds so don't worry it's not op. I don’t think that’s quite right. If you’re using CP then they respawn after the initial two have gone away which makes it to were you won’t have them out at one time. Not only that but if you use heal signet THEN f5 like you’re stating signet will be on CD which eliminates you’re ability to use it in f5 and after it. F5 gives you an opportunity to use a skill twice. Once while in F5 the other once out. The activation should look similar to this F5>zerker>signet>zerker>end f5>zerker>signet>zerker which nets 8 zerkers because CP only resummons a phantasm after its attack do you won’t have 16 at one time. Total that chain will give you 16 zerker attacks yes, but you won’t see 16 zerkers on the screen which is I believe OP is after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apharma.3741 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 > @"Jace al Thor.6745" said: > > @"Sodeni.6041" said: > > Yes it is possible. > > > > F5 -> Greatsword spawns 4 berserkers per skill activation (2 with domination grandmaster trait, 2 respawn with chronophantasma = 4 berserkers) -> heal signet -> 4 berserkers again -> f5 -> 4 berserkers -> heal signet -> 4 berserkers makes 16 berserkers in total. > > > > > > It's quite funny in PvE but in PvP there are way better builds so don't worry it's not op. > > I don’t think that’s quite right. If you’re using CP then they respawn after the initial two have gone away which makes it to were you won’t have them out at one time. Not only that but if you use heal signet THEN f5 like you’re stating signet will be on CD which eliminates you’re ability to use it in f5 and after it. > F5 gives you an opportunity to use a skill twice. Once while in F5 the other once out. > > The activation should look similar to this > > F5>zerker>signet>zerker>end f5>zerker>signet>zerker > > which nets 8 zerkers because CP only resummons a phantasm after its attack do you won’t have 16 at one time. Total that chain will give you 16 zerker attacks yes, but you won’t see 16 zerkers on the screen which is I believe OP is after. You would also likely need 1-2 clones up to extend CS to cover the 2s of cast times and that's even using CS halfway into the cast of the initial zerker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace al Thor.6745 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 @"apharma.3741" Absolutely, I was thinking that would be a given but yes you’d need at least 2 clones. Now if you used both staff and Gs it’s possible to get 16 phantasms but would still be difficult I think due to attacks times and cast times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodeni.6041 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 > @"Jace al Thor.6745" said: > > @"Sodeni.6041" said: > > Yes it is possible. > > > > F5 -> Greatsword spawns 4 berserkers per skill activation (2 with domination grandmaster trait, 2 respawn with chronophantasma = 4 berserkers) -> heal signet -> 4 berserkers again -> f5 -> 4 berserkers -> heal signet -> 4 berserkers makes 16 berserkers in total. > > > > > > It's quite funny in PvE but in PvP there are way better builds so don't worry it's not op. > > I don’t think that’s quite right. If you’re using CP then they respawn after the initial two have gone away which makes it to were you won’t have them out at one time. Not only that but if you use heal signet THEN f5 like you’re stating signet will be on CD which eliminates you’re ability to use it in f5 and after it. > F5 gives you an opportunity to use a skill twice. Once while in F5 the other once out. > > The activation should look similar to this > > F5>zerker>signet>zerker>end f5>zerker>signet>zerker > > which nets 8 zerkers because CP only resummons a phantasm after its attack do you won’t have 16 at one time. Total that chain will give you 16 zerker attacks yes, but you won’t see 16 zerkers on the screen which is I believe OP is after. I haven't said that 16 berserkers will be on the battlefield at once, but this chain allows you to summon 16 very quickly after one another. And I didn't say I use heal signet before f5. I use it while I have continuum split active so it will reset the cooldown when I leave it again. You just have to have 2 or 3 clones out before you press f5 so you get a longer duration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneQR.7412 Posted February 15, 2018 Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 > @"Jace al Thor.6745" said: > > @"Sodeni.6041" said: > > Yes it is possible. > > > > F5 -> Greatsword spawns 4 berserkers per skill activation (2 with domination grandmaster trait, 2 respawn with chronophantasma = 4 berserkers) -> heal signet -> 4 berserkers again -> f5 -> 4 berserkers -> heal signet -> 4 berserkers makes 16 berserkers in total. > > > > > > It's quite funny in PvE but in PvP there are way better builds so don't worry it's not op. > > I don’t think that’s quite right. If you’re using CP then they respawn after the initial two have gone away which makes it to were you won’t have them out at one time. Not only that but if you use heal signet THEN f5 like you’re stating signet will be on CD which eliminates you’re ability to use it in f5 and after it. > F5 gives you an opportunity to use a skill twice. Once while in F5 the other once out. > > The activation should look similar to this > > F5>zerker>signet>zerker>end f5>zerker>signet>zerker > > which nets 8 zerkers because CP only resummons a phantasm after its attack do you won’t have 16 at one time. Total that chain will give you 16 zerker attacks yes, but you won’t see 16 zerkers on the screen which is I believe OP is after. Some clarification here. The point if the thread is: Is it possible to spawn 16 phantasmal berserkers in one coherent rotation. If the are not on the screen at the same time idc. And Thx for the above it was all i was looking for. I knew the rotation but i just messed up i assume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace al Thor.6745 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 @"InsaneQR.7412" That’s fine but when you have “traited berserker with chronophantasma and signet if ether to unleash 16 berserkers at a time?” The at a time portion reads as 16 at once. The answer to that is no, they won’t be at once but you’ll get them. If you want in the same rotation then yes you can. So you can see how I would think you wanted at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneQR.7412 Posted February 15, 2018 Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 > @"Jace al Thor.6745" said: > @"InsaneQR.7412" > > That’s fine but when you have “traited berserker with chronophantasma and signet if ether to unleash 16 berserkers at a time?” The at a time portion reads as 16 at once. The answer to that is no, they won’t be at once but you’ll get them. If you want in the same rotation then yes you can. > > So you can see how I would think you wanted at the same time. NP it was kinda bad formulated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expandas.7051 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 It's possible without the clones. The technique has existed since Chrono came out, but its usefulness was limited until the phantasm-illusion split from the recent patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEN.3709 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Any benefits of doing this ? For PVE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelthien.8593 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 > @"KEN.3709" said: > Any benefits of doing this ? For PVE? It's probably not the best long-term dps, but... man it's fun. And for open world/events/farming, phantasms have been really strong and enjoyable. Lots of skills to press, good burst. Lots of pets. It's a fun way to play. Best? nope. Good in pvp? probs not. High dps? yeah, but not in a raid setting, most likely. GS is a great open world weapon set. I think snowcrows just posted a really similar sword based build that also focuses on phantasms, so... at least you wouldn't need to swap your build around too much going from casual PvE to more hardcore stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneQR.7412 Posted February 16, 2018 Author Share Posted February 16, 2018 > @"KEN.3709" said: > Any benefits of doing this ? For PVE? I assume the burst would be fantastic. If you calculate each berserker as 0.75 berserkers due to the dmg reduction from the trait that spawns 2 at once it is the dmg of 12 normal berserker hit in consession. With the dmg of wells it is for sure a fantastic AoE clearing machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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