Account suspension discussion [merged]

[Nezekan.2671]

> @"Sojar.1495" said:

> > @"Nezekan.2671" said:

> > The ramifications of this are even bigger than you think.

> >

> > Account sharing cannot be justified, we all get it. But what about computer sharing? Its a very common practice and this sort of action targets those people with prejudice.

>

> Let me take this little pin and burst your bubble:

>

> If you are computer sharing without using separate accounts, that's awfully silly, from just a personal information standpoint...

>

> And if you are using separate accounts... guess what? When you switch accounts, any previously running executable (ie CheatEngine) would be suspended on the other account, and would not actively be running on your account.

>

> #whoops

 

Lol what happened to your "BAN EVERYONE" attitude? Your bubble was burst hundred times over when ANET posted an official post about how the ban was automated and people will be unbanned. You said there are no false positives and everyone deserved it. You have no right to be in this thread anymore. Everything you said, like you are opinions, are invalid.

 

People, specially family share computer without accounts all the time. Its very common. You may call it silly, but its irrelevant. The fact that its common is the only relevant information.

[Deihnyx.6318]

> @"Nezekan.2671" said:

> > @"Sojar.1495" said:

> > > @"Nezekan.2671" said:

> > > The ramifications of this are even bigger than you think.

> > >

> > > Account sharing cannot be justified, we all get it. But what about computer sharing? Its a very common practice and this sort of action targets those people with prejudice.

> >

> > Let me take this little pin and burst your bubble:

> >

> > If you are computer sharing without using separate accounts, that's awfully silly, from just a personal information standpoint...

> >

> > And if you are using separate accounts... guess what? When you switch accounts, any previously running executable (ie CheatEngine) would be suspended on the other account, and would not actively be running on your account.

> >

> > #whoops

>

> Lol what happened to your "BAN EVERYONE" attitude? Your bubble was burst hundred times over when ANET posted an official post about how the ban was automated and people will be unbanned. You said there are no false positives and everyone deserved it. You have no right to be in this thread anymore. Everything you said, like you are opinions, are invalid.

>

> People, specially family share computer without accounts all the time. Its very common. You may call it silly, but its irrelevant. The fact that its common is the only relevant information.

 

Is it common among the people who use hacking tools for other purposes than cheating, aka as a dev tool?

I don't think so.

 

It's what makes this situation so bizarre. The people complaining - and pretending to use a tool for other things than plain cheating - are also the people who seem to have made the really amateurish mistake of running a tool while playing an online game.

 

I have no doubt that there are false positives, just get unbanned by anet, and let's keep it there really, it's not -that- bad and in the long term, with them improving their detection methods, we could get rid of some pretty annoying people that are ruining the game for everyone.

[Bloodstealer.5978]

TBH the fear I have is that this is just a small PR exercise by ANET to make it look like something is finally being done.... except having read posts like this from another of the go to hack sites these cheats use, I am of the mind they almost expect this every year around the sab event or such.....

 

 

Hello everyone,

 

someone threw the hammer a bit further this year and sadly everyone who botted or used any other kind of other hack in ~ 3 weeks in march (where I was on vacation) is having a 6 months break from the game now.

 

The good news is, we know already what and how they did it. We assume that was their 'yearly purge' that happens literally every year when they start SAB.

 

If you want to be 100% sure that it is 'ok to bot', please wait a few more days, we are taking the needed steps that this will not happen again. But their "detection" is currently not active and you can already go crazy with your bots. We are just adding a few more things to our end.

 

We are updating this thread once we finished the needed changes.

 

M***** goes on!

 

 

I seriously hope that this is not a true picture and that ANET wont let up on this.. Many, many more bans need to be actioned for this exercise to have even the slightest effect on the haxster community.. get it done ANET show us you really do mean business when it comes to stamping out these kittens... and name and shame them as well for greater effect.

[Sojar.1495]

> @"MissSinfully.2478" said:

> > @"Sojar.1495" said:

> > > @"Nezekan.2671" said:

> > > The ramifications of this are even bigger than you think.

> > >

> > > Account sharing cannot be justified, we all get it. But what about computer sharing? Its a very common practice and this sort of action targets those people with prejudice.

> >

> > Let me take this little pin and burst your bubble:

> >

> > If you are computer sharing without using separate accounts, that's awfully silly, from just a personal information standpoint...

> >

> > And if you are using separate accounts... guess what? When you switch accounts, any previously running executable (ie CheatEngine) would be suspended on the other account, and would not actively be running on your account.

> >

> > #whoops

> >

> > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said:

> > > I am absolutely disgusted by Gaile's update on banwave.

> > >

> > > 1. She says Anet cares about transparency and respects our privacy and she claims this is why she made an update - this is false information. The only reason this update was posted is because of exposing ArenaNet's dishonesty in terms of data gathering from our PCs.

> > > 2. They actually admitted that bans were handed by ASSUMPTION of hacking GW2, just because certain apps are running in the background. It's like locking someone in prison, because such person has knife in a kitchen, so it's POSSIBLE to use it as a crime tool.

> > > 3. As expected, some accounts already has been unbanned. So there goes Anet's famous "careful investigation".

> > >

> > > This whole case is being handled amateurly. You can start your investigations using process list but every single case must be checked if it's actually hacking.

> > >

> > > As a customer, I feel now violated by the actions of the company. First of all, it's dishonest. Second, probably not safe for me as I have no control over what data Anet stole from me. Finally, how can I be sure that their inconsistent, faulty "investigation" process won't make me banned one day because I'm running an app they don't know and they ASSUME it's a hack?

> > >

> > > I think it's time for new security lead at anet and restructuring of their internal policies.

> >

> > Oh? Well allow me to interject quickly.

> >

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> >

> > Oh noes, my personal data! Yeah, see... no big deal. You know what I am currently running on my gaming rig. Gasp. Whatever will I do with my "personal data!" Honestly, the overreacting to this is absurd.

>

> I am absolutely _disgusted_ that you use anything Apple related #ISeeThatIPodHookUp

 

Right? Honestly, it's not mine. It's my hubby's iPhone 7 Plus and the family iPad. Proud user of Android and a Microsoft tablet! :smiley:

 

> @"Kheldorn.5123" said:

> > @"Sojar.1495" said:

> > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said:

> > > > @"Sojar.1495" said:

> > > > Irrelevant stuff cut out

> > >

> > > Nice to see you back. Yesterday you were arguing whole day that every ban is 100% justified. Anet admitted revoking about 60 bans. My question is, at this point, why should anyone find you in any way relevant partner for the discussion? :)

> > >

> > >

> >

> > So they repealed 60 bans that were based on a previous method. That changes very little, as they openly admitted it was based on previous data, and those were extenuating circumstances to the overall scope of THIS ban.

> >

> > Their methods of detection can definitely improve... I'm not arguing that.

> >

> > As for my relevancy in the discussion, that's entirely your viewpoint. I can't change that any more than I can change the axis tilt of the Earth.

> >

> > The broader point at this stage is that you have people arguing that they might have been running CheatEngine, innocuously, in tandem with Guild Wars 2. While that might be the case for a very select few of these players, the vast majority were running it to cheat in Guild Wars 2. And those select few... they chose poorly. If they want to appeal their ban with ANET, and they successfully do so, then great! Perhaps they won't make the mistake of running said program while actively having Guild Wars 2 in memory, as it's pretty much logical to assume it's being used for that purpose versus "left running." I'm trying to play Devil's advocate here, but it's very hard considering that it was such a poor choice to do so [run CheatEngine at the same time was GW2.exe] in the first place.

>

> Nice to see your rationalizations about your claims being proven wrong by developer itself :)

 

I'm failing to see how my rationalizations were proven wrong. ANET didn't even use a method nearly as aggressive as what I figured they might have to catch these folks. Also, them rolling back some of the bans because they were older, incorrect bans has nothing to do with my point. That was an internal oversight on ANET support's part, not a "false positive".

 

> @"Nezekan.2671" said:

> > @"Sojar.1495" said:

> > > @"Nezekan.2671" said:

> > > The ramifications of this are even bigger than you think.

> > >

> > > Account sharing cannot be justified, we all get it. But what about computer sharing? Its a very common practice and this sort of action targets those people with prejudice.

> >

> > Let me take this little pin and burst your bubble:

> >

> > If you are computer sharing without using separate accounts, that's awfully silly, from just a personal information standpoint...

> >

> > And if you are using separate accounts... guess what? When you switch accounts, any previously running executable (ie CheatEngine) would be suspended on the other account, and would not actively be running on your account.

> >

> > #whoops

>

> Lol what happened to your "BAN EVERYONE" attitude? Your bubble was burst hundred times over when ANET posted an official post about how the ban was automated and people will be unbanned. You said there are no false positives and everyone deserved it. You have no right to be in this thread anymore. Everything you said, like you are opinions, are invalid.

>

> People, specially family share computer without accounts all the time. Its very common. You may call it silly, but its irrelevant. The fact that its common is the only relevant information.

 

Everyone did deserve it. They still do. I have every right to be here, as I am a paying customer... lol. Opinions are automatically invalid by the basis that they are opinions. If you review my post(s), you'll find that my argument was based entirely on the fact that these people weren't banned for "just using TacO/ArcDPS" and that they were, in fact, utilizing something that could or was actively WRITING to GW2 memory. ANET shouldn't have lifted those other 60 bans either, as those were confirmed to be botters/cheaters previously, and they should have upheld those as well. I don't control ANET's internal policy anymore than you do. Trust me, if I did, I would have ordered the creation of a monitoring system much stronger than even Blizzard's WARDEN protocol. Every single cheater and botter needs to be annihiliated from Tyria with a firey vengenace.

 

ANET's methodology is flawed and weak; however, now you have people screaming about privacy. The paradigm keeps shifting to reduce the blow on the actual cheaters. It's absurd. Instead of focusing on the actual positive effects of this ban, people are attempting to point out how, potentially, a few people might have been banned incorrectly. Then they have the audacity to complain that ANET's method was too intrusive.

 

So which is it? Do you want them to be more thorough and introduce a much more intrusive method of detection into the launcher/client, or do you want them to be less intrusive and broader hitting with the banhammer?

 

I personally don't care either way, because I'd have the logical foresight to CLOSE A CHEATING APPLICATION before launching a massively multiplayer online game that might even have a .0001% chance of my account, that I have invested thousands of dollars and hours into, being banned/actioned.

 

So, which is it?

[Legit Prep In.5893]

That's the point of the question here, "CheatEngine" is not just a tool to simply cheat, it is a common tool for most devs who require to debug or analyse software pieces. Most Devs who developed 'legal tools' for gw2 had to use it in order to get data which was required for it in the beginning. There are hundred over versions of similiar sofware out there, all were not searched for. What about these shitty tradepost bots, why are they not on the list ? noone knows.

Anet banned on assumptions and have litereally no proof that CE was in use with GW2.

[Nezekan.2671]

The thing is I'm relatively new to the game (a month now) and I don't remember running any of those apps since I was rather focused on GW2 and did not play any single player games, therefore none of the listed apps were running. I was simply pointing out the flaws of the system.

 

There have been ZERO false positives in blizzard ban waves, so its not a good example at all. I have played wow for 8 years and I don't even have a warning to my name. Me and people like me should be unbanned and this is horrendous policy on ANET's part.

[fireanne.7682]

You know, the bottom line is - if you play GW2, you agreed to their ToS. They want to make a game fair, and that might, unfortunately, involve some effort on the user's side, such as turning off Cheat engine before playing. Is it really that difficult to understand? X:

As for the running software monitor "spyware", I suppose you do not use any antivirus software? Because that is basically the principle of any such software, to monitor your running processes and services, compare the data against a database, and alert you if a match is found. MMOs often install this and have it launched permanently. It is the sacrifice of your privacy you consent to make when you play such games, as, compared to single player games, any modifications or changes you might do will not only influence your gaming experience, but also of the others.

 

Calling such efforts from the developer's side a witch hunt or an equivalent, or an unacceptable breach of your privacy, is a moot point, not to mention that obtaining a 100% conclusive proof or something of the sort would require much aggresive monitoring that would likely be illegal..

[Sojar.1495]

> @"Legit Prep In.5893" said:

> That's the point of the question here, "CheatEngine" is not just a tool to simply cheat, it is a common tool for most devs who require to debug or analyse software pieces. Most Devs who developed 'legal tools' for gw2 had to use it in order to get data which was required for it in the beginning. There are hundred over versions of similiar sofware out there, all were not searched for. What about these kitten tradepost bots, why are they not on the list ? noone knows.

> Anet banned on assumptions and have litereally no proof that CE was in use with GW2.

 

I certainly would hope that any developer who any semblance of skill would note use CheatEngine as their debugger... it's abysmal, at best. Anyone who is doing legitimate development work would use a more robust memory scanner and debugger coupled with an independent hex editor. Case in point: XenoScan + x64dbg + 010.

 

I mean, let's be real here. How many of the accounts banned are actually developers? I'd wager 0-2. And if they were using CheatEngine, they're lousy at their work, and need to find a new job/hobby.

[Cloud Windfoot Omega.7485]

> @"EnderzShadow.2506" said:

>

> @"Gaile Gray.6029"

>

> Sounds like you didn't actually ban cheaters.

>

> That's all I or anyone else cares about.

>

> People who fly, people who go under the map, speed hack, gain unfair advantages

>

> You're banning people who changed what they see on their screen? Are you kitten kidding me?

>

> You're banning people who used a macro (without botting)? Are you guys for real?

>

> Disappointed.

> You are a bunch of rule mongers.

>

>

 

someone is not up to date on current events

[GrubySzymek.1362]

> @"Sojar.1495" said:

> Everyone did deserve it. They still do.

 

Anet proves your statements to be incorrect. Thank you for playing. You proved yourselve not being worthy further discussion. Goodbye.

[EnderzShadow.2506]

> @"Cloud Windfoot Omega.7485" said:

> > @"EnderzShadow.2506" said:

> >

> > @"Gaile Gray.6029"

> >

> > Sounds like you didn't actually ban cheaters.

> >

> > That's all I or anyone else cares about.

> >

> > People who fly, people who go under the map, speed hack, gain unfair advantages

> >

> > You're banning people who changed what they see on their screen? Are you kitten kidding me?

> >

> > You're banning people who used a macro (without botting)? Are you guys for real?

> >

> > Disappointed.

> > You are a bunch of rule mongers.

> >

> >

>

> someone is not up to date on current events

 

Enlighten me oh snarky one

[GrubySzymek.1362]

> @"fireanne.7682" said:

> You know, the bottom line is - if you play GW2, you agreed to their ToS. They want to make a game fair, and that might, unfortunately, involve some effort on the user's side, such as turning off Cheat engine before playing. Is it really that difficult to understand? X:

 

Even if you consider User Agreement, it forbids you from using hacks in GW2. It doesn't forbids you for having these tools. And anet acted on assumption that "if he has a knife, he can be guilty of a crime".

 

[EnderzShadow.2506]

I pvp a fair bit. Speed hacking is a common complaint. Lot of shady stuff happens in game.

Anet has been completely quiet about it. You can't even talk about it without your comments getting removed.

 

Then this ban, I think they are doing the right thing and yeah I'm not so absolutely positive they are.

 

Looks like they took a rather broad and awkward stroke.

[Sojar.1495]

> @"Kheldorn.5123" said:

> > @"fireanne.7682" said:

> > You know, the bottom line is - if you play GW2, you agreed to their ToS. They want to make a game fair, and that might, unfortunately, involve some effort on the user's side, such as turning off Cheat engine before playing. Is it really that difficult to understand? X:

>

> Even if you consider User Agreement, it forbids you from using hacks in GW2. It doesn't forbids you for having these tools. And anet acted on assumption that "if he has a knife, he can be guilty of a crime".

>

 

Possessing the tool and running it alongside the GW2.exe are entirely different things.

 

If you honestly believe that less than .1% of the people banned were running it alongside GW2.exe innocuously, I've got a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. The idea that even a tiny portion of these players were doing this is laughable, at the very best.

 

> @"EnderzShadow.2506" said:

> > @"Cloud Windfoot Omega.7485" said:

> > > @"EnderzShadow.2506" said:

> > >

> > > @"Gaile Gray.6029"

> > >

> > > Sounds like you didn't actually ban cheaters.

> > >

> > > That's all I or anyone else cares about.

> > >

> > > People who fly, people who go under the map, speed hack, gain unfair advantages

> > >

> > > You're banning people who changed what they see on their screen? Are you kitten kidding me?

> > >

> > > You're banning people who used a macro (without botting)? Are you guys for real?

> > >

> > > Disappointed.

> > > You are a bunch of rule mongers.

> > >

> > >

> >

> > someone is not up to date on current events

>

> Enlighten me oh snarky one

 

No one was banned for what you're suggesting.

 

It entailed the following programs running alongside GW2.exe.

CheatEngine

Nabster

GW2MHRexe

UNF

MMOMINION

[EnderzShadow.2506]

> @"Sojar.1495" said:

> > @"Kheldorn.5123" said:

> > > @"fireanne.7682" said:

> > > You know, the bottom line is - if you play GW2, you agreed to their ToS. They want to make a game fair, and that might, unfortunately, involve some effort on the user's side, such as turning off Cheat engine before playing. Is it really that difficult to understand? X:

> >

> > Even if you consider User Agreement, it forbids you from using hacks in GW2. It doesn't forbids you for having these tools. And anet acted on assumption that "if he has a knife, he can be guilty of a crime".

> >

>

> Possessing the tool and running it alongside the GW2.exe are entirely different things.

>

> If you honestly believe that less than .1% of the people banned were running it alongside GW2.exe innocuously, I've got a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. The idea that even a tiny portion of these players were doing this is laughable, at the very best.

>

> > @"EnderzShadow.2506" said:

> > > @"Cloud Windfoot Omega.7485" said:

> > > > @"EnderzShadow.2506" said:

> > > >

> > > > @"Gaile Gray.6029"

> > > >

> > > > Sounds like you didn't actually ban cheaters.

> > > >

> > > > That's all I or anyone else cares about.

> > > >

> > > > People who fly, people who go under the map, speed hack, gain unfair advantages

> > > >

> > > > You're banning people who changed what they see on their screen? Are you kitten kidding me?

> > > >

> > > > You're banning people who used a macro (without botting)? Are you guys for real?

> > > >

> > > > Disappointed.

> > > > You are a bunch of rule mongers.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > someone is not up to date on current events

> >

> > Enlighten me oh snarky one

>

> No one was banned for what you're suggesting.

>

> It entailed the following programs running alongside GW2.exe.

> CheatEngine

> Nabster

> GW2MHRexe

> UNF

> MMOMINION

 

Thanks-

 

 

To you're first point, it's still not proof

[GrubySzymek.1362]

> @"Sojar.1495" said:

> > @"Kheldorn.5123" said:

> > > @"fireanne.7682" said:

> > > You know, the bottom line is - if you play GW2, you agreed to their ToS. They want to make a game fair, and that might, unfortunately, involve some effort on the user's side, such as turning off Cheat engine before playing. Is it really that difficult to understand? X:

> >

> > Even if you consider User Agreement, it forbids you from using hacks in GW2. It doesn't forbids you for having these tools. And anet acted on assumption that "if he has a knife, he can be guilty of a crime".

> >

>

> Possessing the tool and running it alongside the GW2.exe are entirely different things.

>

> If you honestly believe that less than .1% of the people banned were running it alongside GW2.exe innocuously, I've got a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. The idea that even a tiny portion of these players were doing this is laughable, at the very best.

 

They already lifted 50+ bans. So the % may be bigger. I believe most of bans are justified, but there must be false positives. Method they describe have too many room of giving not definite results. So back to my point - your claims that 100% of bans are justified were destroyed today by dev team today. As I expected it would happen. You put to much trust into Anet, they already have a history of unjustified bans and yesterday's case proves that we can't trust them their "careful investigations".

 

[Polarfairy.8046]

I generally have no sympathy for people who cheat in any game, i just don't see the need to risk your account on any game that you love to maybe make things slightly easier for yourself but anger other players in the process and put your friends accounts in danger if they play with you on a regular basis and get caught up in your ban. I do not count dps meters as cheating or mods that change your UI and as you can see, neither do Anet. As a company they do what they need to do to make sure their game is fair for everyone and if that means monitoring the programs running on my system then I don't mind, it's not like they are hunting for any information worth keeping that could be damaging to my identity or online safety. If you use cheat programs then you deserve to get banned, even if you weren't using them in this particular game at this point in time, you have them installed and Anet has no way of knowing if you ever plan to use them in the future, so out you go. Hopefully in 6 months you will either have learned your lesson and uninstalled said programs or moved on to other games which is no big loss to the rest of us.

[Sojar.1495]

> @"Kheldorn.5123" said:

> > @"Sojar.1495" said:

> > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said:

> > > > @"fireanne.7682" said:

> > > > You know, the bottom line is - if you play GW2, you agreed to their ToS. They want to make a game fair, and that might, unfortunately, involve some effort on the user's side, such as turning off Cheat engine before playing. Is it really that difficult to understand? X:

> > >

> > > Even if you consider User Agreement, it forbids you from using hacks in GW2. It doesn't forbids you for having these tools. And anet acted on assumption that "if he has a knife, he can be guilty of a crime".

> > >

> >

> > Possessing the tool and running it alongside the GW2.exe are entirely different things.

> >

> > If you honestly believe that less than .1% of the people banned were running it alongside GW2.exe innocuously, I've got a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. The idea that even a tiny portion of these players were doing this is laughable, at the very best.

>

> They already lifted 50+ bans. So the % may be bigger. I believe most of bans are justified, but there must be false positives. Method they describe have too many room of giving not definite results. So back to my point - your claims that 100% of bans are justified were destroyed today by dev team today. As I expected it would happen. You put to much trust into Anet, they already have a history of unjustified bans and yesterday's case proves that we can't trust them their "careful investigations".

>

 

I'm still holding to the fact that 100% of the bans were justified. The ONLY thing that has changed was that ANET wasn't strict enough and their detection method could be more precise via a client/launcher update to better detect even more threats.

 

This is a case of "doth thou protest?" And clearly, many of these "innocents" doth... they doth a lot.

[innocens.1582]

my stance on it is that its a stupid idea to have a cheat program running at the same time as guildwars.

 

about the data collecting they supposedly did, all compagnies do that, even stores where you buy your goods.

I worked for a comagny 40 years ago that sold garden stuff and even then it was normal bussiness

to buy and sell the adres of people interested in garden stuff.

Wether thats a good or bad thing is another discussion.

 

@Kheldorn

they didnt check if you have a knife, they checked if you have it in your hand, ready to use.

 

 

 

[GrubySzymek.1362]

> @"Sojar.1495" said:

> > @"Kheldorn.5123" said:

> > > @"Sojar.1495" said:

> > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said:

> > > > > @"fireanne.7682" said:

> > > > > You know, the bottom line is - if you play GW2, you agreed to their ToS. They want to make a game fair, and that might, unfortunately, involve some effort on the user's side, such as turning off Cheat engine before playing. Is it really that difficult to understand? X:

> > > >

> > > > Even if you consider User Agreement, it forbids you from using hacks in GW2. It doesn't forbids you for having these tools. And anet acted on assumption that "if he has a knife, he can be guilty of a crime".

> > > >

> > >

> > > Possessing the tool and running it alongside the GW2.exe are entirely different things.

> > >

> > > If you honestly believe that less than .1% of the people banned were running it alongside GW2.exe innocuously, I've got a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. The idea that even a tiny portion of these players were doing this is laughable, at the very best.

> >

> > They already lifted 50+ bans. So the % may be bigger. I believe most of bans are justified, but there must be false positives. Method they describe have too many room of giving not definite results. So back to my point - your claims that 100% of bans are justified were destroyed today by dev team today. As I expected it would happen. You put to much trust into Anet, they already have a history of unjustified bans and yesterday's case proves that we can't trust them their "careful investigations".

> >

>

> I'm still holding to the fact that 100% of the bans were justified. The ONLY thing that has changed was that ANET wasn't strict enough and their detection method could be more precise via a client/launcher update to better detect even more threats.

>

> This is a case of "doth thou protest?" And clearly, many of these "innocents" doth... they doth a lot.

 

Running app they don't like is not justifying suspending an account unless they know it was used to hack GW2. But all they did is ASSUME.

[MissSinfully.2478]

> @"Sojar.1495" said:

> > @"Kheldorn.5123" said:

> > > @"Sojar.1495" said:

> > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said:

> > > > > @"fireanne.7682" said:

> > > > > You know, the bottom line is - if you play GW2, you agreed to their ToS. They want to make a game fair, and that might, unfortunately, involve some effort on the user's side, such as turning off Cheat engine before playing. Is it really that difficult to understand? X:

> > > >

> > > > Even if you consider User Agreement, it forbids you from using hacks in GW2. It doesn't forbids you for having these tools. And anet acted on assumption that "if he has a knife, he can be guilty of a crime".

> > > >

> > >

> > > Possessing the tool and running it alongside the GW2.exe are entirely different things.

> > >

> > > If you honestly believe that less than .1% of the people banned were running it alongside GW2.exe innocuously, I've got a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. The idea that even a tiny portion of these players were doing this is laughable, at the very best.

> >

> > They already lifted 50+ bans. So the % may be bigger. I believe most of bans are justified, but there must be false positives. Method they describe have too many room of giving not definite results. So back to my point - your claims that 100% of bans are justified were destroyed today by dev team today. As I expected it would happen. You put to much trust into Anet, they already have a history of unjustified bans and yesterday's case proves that we can't trust them their "careful investigations".

> >

>

> I'm still holding to the fact that 100% of the bans were justified. The ONLY thing that has changed was that ANET wasn't strict enough and their detection method could be more precise via a client/launcher update to better detect even more threats.

>

> This is a case of "doth thou protest?" And clearly, many of these "innocents" doth... they doth a lot.

 

No one's also mentioning the bans lifted have been specifically mentioned by Gaile as being _connected_ to a main account that was banned. The lifted ones were basically casualty by association- being owned by the same person. At least that's how I read it. It seems they were warranted for the most part anyways. They got an earlier ban-lift because nothing actually happened on those accounts.

 

My understanding of the post reads that way anyways.

[GrubySzymek.1362]

> @"Polarfairy.8046" said:

> I generally have no sympathy for people who cheat in any game, i just don't see the need to risk your account on any game that you love to maybe make things slightly easier for yourself but anger other players in the process and put your friends accounts in danger if they play with you on a regular basis and get caught up in your ban. I do not count dps meters as cheating or mods that change your UI and as you can see, neither do Anet. As a company they do what they need to do to make sure their game is fair for everyone and if that means monitoring the programs running on my system then I don't mind, it's not like they are hunting for any information worth keeping that could be damaging to my identity or online safety. If you use cheat programs then you deserve to get banned, even if you weren't using them in this particular game at this point in time, you have them installed and Anet has no way of knowing if you ever plan to use them in the future, so out you go. Hopefully in 6 months you will either have learned your lesson and uninstalled said programs or moved on to other games which is no big loss to the rest of us.

 

Do you have knives in your kitchen?

[vesica tempestas.1563]

I have loads of sympathy for those using those apps for benign reasons, and hope they get their bans removed quick smartish.

 

For those that use them to cheat in 'other' games, sorry pal 1) you clearly think cheating is ok so your bad for online gaming in general and 2) its a bit of a stretch to think you are innocent when you clearly have a propensity to cheat and have been proven to run cheat engines running alongside GW2 on several occasions. Lessons learned hopefully eh.

[Bloodstealer.5978]

> @"EnderzShadow.2506" said:

>

> @"Gaile Gray.6029"

>

> Sounds like you didn't actually ban cheaters.

>

> That's all I or anyone else cares about.

>

> People who fly, people who go under the map, speed hack, gain unfair advantages

>

> You're banning people who changed what they see on their screen? Are you kitten kidding me?

>

> You're banning people who used a macro (without botting)? Are you guys for real?

>

> Disappointed.

> You are a bunch of rule mongers.

>

>

 

I think you lack any kind of information to prove what you just said.. dig around and you absolutely see the cries and whimpers of some of those cheats after receiving their bans for utilizing their minion bots, speed, fly and no clip hacks, amongst others.

You just naturally thought it was all about the likes of taco, reshade or arcdps... try again.

[Bloodstealer.5978]

> @"Kheldorn.5123" said:

> > @"Sojar.1495" said:

> > Everyone did deserve it. They still do.

>

> Anet proves your statements to be incorrect. Thank you for playing. You proved yourselve not being worthy further discussion. Goodbye.

 

I fail to understand your point .. what I read was some well thought out points based on solid understanding of the tech. Had ANET made this a more aggressive detection and banned the 000's and 000's more that are out there still using these hacks would you be even more hell bent on defending those banned or would you start to think.. there must be something else actually happening here.

 

Look its great to be an S J W on occasion, but this occasion does not warrant such support... players have cheated and through methods not 100% known to us they MIGHT of snagged a few legit accounts caught in the crossfire, which will likely get resolved without the fuss you keep making about it.

I would rather see 10000 bans and a 1000 compensated legit unbans than having nothing done about this evergrowing issue in game... go take a look and see just how many players have/are still downloading these hacks and understand why honest players are being vocal about the small level of success this PR exercise has showcased.. if nothing else it might of got some cheats to consider whether its worth risking their accounts that they have perhaps spent real money on beyond the point of sale.