allias.1420 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 So I've been trying renegade after this latest patch and I can safely say it is pretty much useless. The main problem with this class persists: * Very little survivability/almost non-existent * Worst mobility of all specializations * Average damage on top of skillshots (hard to land) * Skills are still too expensive/energy depletes really fast * Skills still take too long to cast I've tried all variants of renegade except ventari. Does anyone know of a renegade build that is kind of okay-ish? My suggestion is to add some sort of escape mechanic on shortbow and utility for it to be even remotely competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthurDent.9538 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 The entire renegade specialization is the new shatterstone: absolutely worthless at release then recieves buffs patch after patch for months on end yet will never reach a state where it is really worth using. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allias.1420 Posted May 8, 2018 Author Share Posted May 8, 2018 > @"ArthurDent.9538" said: > The entire renegade specialization is the new shatterstone: absolutely worthless at release then recieves buffs patch after patch for months on end yet will never reach a state where it is really worth using. I believe there is no specialization in this game that is worse than renefailgade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xca.9721 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 It needs a whole rework, but anet cares more about mesmer and deadeye (which have both been far better than renegade already before) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkantos.7460 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 not viable even after pathing casttimes(which is better now) in pvp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.5684 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 > @"allias.1420" said: > > @"ArthurDent.9538" said: > > The entire renegade specialization is the new shatterstone: absolutely worthless at release then recieves buffs patch after patch for months on end yet will never reach a state where it is really worth using. > > I believe there is no specialization in this game that is worse than renefailgade It has no mobility. It lacks sustainability. The utilities are still not sPvP viable. You are much better served with herald using any build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Fear.1624 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 An Elite Specialization that is a downgrade. Pay to lose, is that first? Very innovative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allias.1420 Posted May 8, 2018 Author Share Posted May 8, 2018 > @"Crab Fear.1624" said: > An Elite Specialization that is a downgrade. Pay to lose, is that first? Very innovative. I heard it was viable for raids though, not sure if that's true. But for pvp? Forget it. It's pay to lose. Heck, not even a 500% dmg increase across all utilities would make this work in a game mode like conquest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liewec.2896 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 they couldn't even find the sanity to make the spirits untargetable and unattackable, in PVP they are dead the moment you summon them. and the hilarious thing is that they chose to give deadeye a rework! not renegade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeepBoopBap.2840 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Pretend renegade doesn't exist, plz buff herald and core revenant instead. Revenant and herald are questionably designed but renegade is a special type of bad that you don't try to fix, you cut your loss and work on other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinhZeri.6412 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Think its the fact in since HoT and introduction of Revenant was actually made to be played on Herald and it hasn't changed since. Sure you can run some random revenant builds with condi or centaur but will you do it for anything else? Heralds is just too good and still basically makes the whole class actually viable if you think that over. Its based on you using Herald and choosing a 1 stance to go with it to choose your single stance with Glint as it sits. I bet ya if you can use Glint with Renegade everyone would enjoy it a little better.. hell maybe im wrong but im sure there wouldnt be problems. Need escape? well sure for this meta but imho if they balanced they should reduce so many escapes from this game and teleports which will never happen lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother.1504 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Anet needs to look at gw1 ritualist with inspiration for gw2 renegade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayAction.9056 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 They are afraid to buff renegade because there are still like 5 revs that still have most everybody on farm status with it sucking as bad as it does and being about 2 years out dated with repeated nerfs as big as -75% in some cases. They don’t want top 5 to be 5 renegades, assuming they make it as good as the POF specs. True story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bast.7253 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 > @"JayAction.9056" said: > They are afraid to buff renegade because there are still like 5 revs that still have most everybody on farm status with it sucking as bad as it does and being about 2 years out dated with repeated nerfs as big as -75% in some cases. > > They don’t want top 5 to be 5 renegades, assuming they make it as good as the POF specs. > > True story Who are these 5 revs that have everybody on farm status? I've seen you post this several times. Just curious. I know one of the people in the top 5 usually plays thief. Not sure about the other 4 currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeLZedaR.4790 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 R OMEGALUL e OMEGALUL n OMEGALUL e OMEGALUL g OMEGALUL a OMEGALUL d OMEGALUL e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbp.1693 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Renegade is so bad in pvp, that the only way to save it is that the summons were a mirage, spell breaker and a scourge. And the elite a (one months ago) chrono ;) ;) ;) ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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