DaShi.1368 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 > @"Dralor.3701" said: > > @"Sampson.2403" said: > > Im surprised people dont complain about power shatter mirage more. > > Condi first then power shatter once it is the next fotm. Then whatever else mesmers are playing, even if they are weak. WE WILL DESTROY THIS CLASS JUST TO SHOW WE CAN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dralor.3701 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 > @"DaShi.1368" said: > > @"Dralor.3701" said: > > > @"Sampson.2403" said: > > > Im surprised people dont complain about power shatter mirage more. > > > > Condi first then power shatter once it is the next fotm. > > Then whatever else mesmers are playing, even if they are weak. WE WILL DESTROY THIS CLASS JUST TO SHOW WE CAN! Whatever the fotm OP garbage is that needs to be nerfed yes, whether it is mesmer or another class. Pof balance is horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincolnbeard.1735 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 > @"Dralor.3701" said: > > @"Sampson.2403" said: > > Im surprised people dont complain about power shatter mirage more. > > Condi first then power shatter once it is the next fotm. Oh kitten! Still six months to go 'til we can move to nerf holo threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaShi.1368 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 I thought we were removing rangers next. Come on people, if we don't coordinate, we'll never get to thieves only pvp! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dralor.3701 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 I get that you want your class to be easy mode, but some people want balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaShi.1368 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Yes, I would love revenant to be easy mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraitan.8476 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 As long as mesmers remain 10/10, fanboys on the OP classtrain are gonna keep defending each and every nerf in order to keep their precious ‘skillfull’ pink unicorn. I’d love to see mesmer become trashtier for a couple of seasons for a change. They already excell at every game mode anyway and I’m pretty sure it’s people least favorite class to fight due to the lack of counterplay and its’ bullshit non-fun mechanics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeLZedaR.4790 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Some mesmer mains are so spoiled it’s funny. 3/3 best mesmer builds were top of the meta by a large margin. Chrono got the right treatment, 2 to go! People that aren’t mesmer mains are kind of sick of mesmers being meta-defining/god tier since HoT launch, especially because they’re a shit class to fight full with low counterplay instant casts and mechanics and visual clutter. They so enjoy spouting l2p when playing an easymode class that has endless carry potential if you get good with it, only because it has a “high skill floor”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miles Smiles.8951 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 > @"BeLZedaR.4790" said: > Some mesmer mains are so spoiled it’s funny. Exactly, most of them don't realize how broken is that when they stealth for example or cancel your target and you need to spend precious milliseconds or seconds even to retarget them while their CDs coming back up and they can do it a lot; and they don't seem to realize how annoying and unfun it is especially when you actually have to play to kill stuff, not just spam aoe all around you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alveen.7239 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 > @"DaShi.1368" said: > Yes, I would love revenant to be easy mode. I wouldn't, I actually took the time to get good at it lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Schrodingers Cat.2497 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 40 more and you'll see how thief feels currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdagger.9670 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Seriously I have no repsect for the people who abused mesmer this season and ended up in top 50 or somethng. Carried by class clearly. On the other hand, there are really good & skilled players like playing only rev and still doing amazing things and deserves better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phokus.8934 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 > @"Dralor.3701" said: > I get that you want your class to be easy mode, but some people want balance. From reading these forums people are biased and want to win against every class by facerolling them. The recommendations on how to balance Mirage from the majority will make Mirage utterly useless. There’s no denying that Mirage needs a pass through on some traits but gutting it is not the answer. PvP has turned into moms and dads playing not wanting to put their emotions to the side and objectively think how to make a better pvp experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteor.3720 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 > @"phokus.8934" said: > > @"Dralor.3701" said: > > I get that you want your class to be easy mode, but some people want balance. > > From reading these forums people are biased and want to win against every class by facerolling them. > > The recommendations on how to balance Mirage from the majority will make Mirage utterly useless. > > There’s no denying that Mirage needs a pass through on some traits but gutting it is not the answer. > > PvP has turned into moms and dads playing not wanting to put their emotions to the side and objectively think how to make a better pvp experience. > Mirage is broken because of it's basic mechanics. Changing some traits won't address the issue. It needs more fundamental changes, whether or not that means it's gutted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phokus.8934 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 > @"Meteor.3720" said: > > @"phokus.8934" said: > > > @"Dralor.3701" said: > > > I get that you want your class to be easy mode, but some people want balance. > > > > From reading these forums people are biased and want to win against every class by facerolling them. > > > > The recommendations on how to balance Mirage from the majority will make Mirage utterly useless. > > > > There’s no denying that Mirage needs a pass through on some traits but gutting it is not the answer. > > > > PvP has turned into moms and dads playing not wanting to put their emotions to the side and objectively think how to make a better pvp experience. > > > > Mirage is broken because of it's basic mechanics. Changing some traits won't address the issue. It needs more fundamental changes, whether or not that means it's gutted. Which realistically is not going to happen. And what multiple mechanics need changing other than (from what I'm gathering) using abilities while dodging? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EpicTurtle.8571 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 > @"phokus.8934" said: > > @"Meteor.3720" said: > > > @"phokus.8934" said: > > > > @"Dralor.3701" said: > > > > I get that you want your class to be easy mode, but some people want balance. > > > > > > From reading these forums people are biased and want to win against every class by facerolling them. > > > > > > The recommendations on how to balance Mirage from the majority will make Mirage utterly useless. > > > > > > There’s no denying that Mirage needs a pass through on some traits but gutting it is not the answer. > > > > > > PvP has turned into moms and dads playing not wanting to put their emotions to the side and objectively think how to make a better pvp experience. > > > > > > > Mirage is broken because of it's basic mechanics. Changing some traits won't address the issue. It needs more fundamental changes, whether or not that means it's gutted. > > Which realistically is not going to happen. And what multiple mechanics need changing other than (from what I'm gathering) using abilities while dodging? That's their only gripe with it really, the base functionality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulzi.8273 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 they need to add an aftercast of .5 (or higher) on every skill from each class. This would neuter the macro-like reflexes of casting 4-5 spells instantly for a one-shot (eg. shatter mesmer). Then they need to make a change that you cannot stealth (ranger, mesmer, thief, whatever) if you are currently damaging someone with condi (for the condi specs). Then assess where you are at and tweak from there. Make classes have active defenses rather than this passive ones we live with now. And they really need to do something about aoe's. way too many, way too easy mode. I'd like to see ALL AoEs cause friendly fire. Maybe that would curtail aoe spamming at least a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Order.7258 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 > @"mulzi.8273" said: > they need to add an aftercast of .5 (or higher) on every skill from each class. This would neuter the macro-like reflexes of casting 4-5 spells instantly for a one-shot (eg. shatter mesmer). Then they need to make a change that you cannot stealth (ranger, mesmer, thief, whatever) if you are currently damaging someone with condi (for the condi specs). Then assess where you are at and tweak from there. Make classes have active defenses rather than this passive ones we live with now. > > And they really need to do something about aoe's. way too many, way too easy mode. I'd like to see ALL AoEs cause friendly fire. Maybe that would curtail aoe spamming at least a little. > > After cast is a great idea. They won't though. The thing about Anet is they need to sell their expansions. That's why they'll leave the most OP shit going for so long. It's so the those not so good can buy the next OP thing and spam spam spam. PVE is this game is great but pvp/wvw is the most toxic experience I've ever had in any game I've ever played in my life and it seems to be only getting worse. I've spend a shit ton of money on this game but haven't in two months because I finally realized it's not going to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dralor.3701 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 > @"phokus.8934" said: > > @"Dralor.3701" said: > > I get that you want your class to be easy mode, but some people want balance. > > From reading these forums people are biased and want to win against every class by facerolling them. > > The recommendations on how to balance Mirage from the majority will make Mirage utterly useless. > > There’s no denying that Mirage needs a pass through on some traits but gutting it is not the answer. > > PvP has turned into moms and dads playing not wanting to put their emotions to the side and objectively think how to make a better pvp experience. > That happens but I don’t really agree. For all the trolling and people trying to defend/nerf on some agenda there is still a reasonable amount of good discussion. I would love to see the game balanced, am I emotional on some level? Sure, I love what the game used to be and care. Individual class balance aside it is frustrating to see pvp get worse with each expansion. The most important point people have recently touched on is some of the elites have issues that are never going to be addressed with the shaving of numbers. For example the mirage dodge or scourge being a spammy mess. (Also think holo design is bad but w/e) In a perfect world they would do a complete overhaul on some of the specs; unfortunately the more likely scenario is the game continues to die as they fail to address the issues in player vs player game modes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will de grijze jager.6594 Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 we need more Mesmer nerfs ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math.5123 Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 > @"mulzi.8273" said: > they need to add an aftercast of .5 (or higher) on every skill from each class. This would neuter the macro-like reflexes of casting 4-5 spells instantly for a one-shot (eg. shatter mesmer). Then they need to make a change that you cannot stealth (ranger, mesmer, thief, whatever) if you are currently damaging someone with condi (for the condi specs). Then assess where you are at and tweak from there. Make classes have active defenses rather than this passive ones we live with now. > > And they really need to do something about aoe's. way too many, way too easy mode. I'd like to see ALL AoEs cause friendly fire. Maybe that would curtail aoe spamming at least a little. > > Adding after casts, or a global cooldown would neuter certain builds and even classes. Not being able to backstab steal, mighty blow judge's or mirror blade into mind wrack. The game is currently very fast paced. This is not the way to change it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abazigal.3679 Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Game needs skills that ignore conditions for x seconds. Berserker stance is supposed to do it, but i'm still taking xx conditions when using it in scourge's Aoe's. That's the only way to fix the condi spam meta, since elite specs such as mirage, spellbreaker, or scourge cannot be changed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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