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[NoNameNoob.9758]

Hello,

 

whats the state of revenant atm for fractals and for raids?

Power or Condi wanted? not talking about viable.

Can you really find groups as a revenant?

 

 

Thanks

[Hoodie.1045]

> @"NoNameNoob.9758" said:

> whats the state of revenant atm for fractals and for raids?

> Power or Condi wanted? not talking about viable.

> Can you really find groups as a revenant?

>

>

> Thanks

 

In its' current state, revenant is really lacking in terms of build variety. That's not to say it's a bad profession, far from it. It's a really good profession, but the only problem with it is that it lacks build variety. Don't even think about using condi revenant. Power revenant surpasses condi revenant by a lot.

[NoNameNoob.9758]

so in short Rev is not viable in high lvl fractals and in raids only on a few encounters?...wow

[LucianDK.8615]

Yes, revenants have seen far too many nerfs because of the pvp crowd, and Anet's refusal to skill split the class.

[NoNameNoob.9758]

> @"LucianDK.8615" said:

> Yes, revenants have seen far too many nerfs because of the pvp crowd, and Anet's refusal to skill split the class.

 

sad world

[LucianTheAngelic.7054]

> @"NoNameNoob.9758" said:

> Hello,

>

> whats the state of revenant atm for fractals and for raids?

> Power or Condi wanted? not talking about viable.

> Can you really find groups as a revenant?

>

>

> Thanks

 

For raids condi revenant is Great. Power revenant and condi revenant perform about the same in fractals on boss fights, but power is better for fractal mob clears. Condi has the much higher potential damage overall, though, especially on large hitbox bosses.

 

Yes you can find groups for all content. I frequently pug fractal CMs/T4s and raids and have never been rejected due to being a rev. Also if you’re good at the class it can be pretty easy imo to outdps 90%+ of pugs as a Condi Rev.

[NoNameNoob.9758]

> @"LucianTheAngelic.7054" said:

> > @"NoNameNoob.9758" said:

> > Hello,

> >

> > whats the state of revenant atm for fractals and for raids?

> > Power or Condi wanted? not talking about viable.

> > Can you really find groups as a revenant?

> >

> >

> > Thanks

>

> For raids condi revenant is Great. Power revenant and condi revenant perform about the same in fractals on boss fights, but power is better for fractal mob clears. Condi has the much higher potential damage overall, though, especially on large hitbox bosses.

>

> Yes you can find groups for all content. I frequently pug fractal CMs/T4s and raids and have never been rejected due to being a rev. Also if you’re good at the class it can be pretty easy imo to outdps 90%+ of pugs as a Condi Rev.

 

so for fractals also condo rev ? or is power also viable in fractals?

[Ertrak.9506]

> @"Hoodie.1045" said:

> > @"NoNameNoob.9758" said:

> > whats the state of revenant atm for fractals and for raids?

> > Power or Condi wanted? not talking about viable.

> > Can you really find groups as a revenant?

> >

> >

> > Thanks

>

> In its' current state, revenant is really lacking in terms of build variety. That's not to say it's a bad profession, far from it. It's a really good profession, but the only problem with it is that it lacks build variety. Don't even think about using condi revenant. Power revenant surpasses condi revenant by a lot.

 

... are you serious right now?

 

Power revenant is garbage in high level fractals. Both power renegade and power herald have very little burst (only outclassing condi rev burst due to its large damage ramp) and next to no utility.

 

Condi rev at least brings good break bar damage with very little dps sacrifice (axe5, dark razor, sb5; yes anyone who's worth their salt will run sb AND mace/axe) and much higher dps once it ramps up (which if were really being honest here? Isn't actually that large).

 

And then raids? Don't even think about stepping foot in a raid with a power renegade; even less so for power herald. I play Condi rev in pretty much every encounter except KC. You're performance is down to you're own skill.

 

People need to get off the kitten Condi rev hate.

[LucianTheAngelic.7054]

> @"NoNameNoob.9758" said:

> > @"LucianTheAngelic.7054" said:

> > > @"NoNameNoob.9758" said:

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > > whats the state of revenant atm for fractals and for raids?

> > > Power or Condi wanted? not talking about viable.

> > > Can you really find groups as a revenant?

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks

> >

> > For raids condi revenant is Great. Power revenant and condi revenant perform about the same in fractals on boss fights, but power is better for fractal mob clears. Condi has the much higher potential damage overall, though, especially on large hitbox bosses.

> >

> > Yes you can find groups for all content. I frequently pug fractal CMs/T4s and raids and have never been rejected due to being a rev. Also if you’re good at the class it can be pretty easy imo to outdps 90%+ of pugs as a Condi Rev.

>

> so for fractals also condo rev ? or is power also viable in fractals?

 

Yeah condi rev and power rev perform about the same in fractals on boss fights. Power as mentioned is better for mob clear, but Condi rev has more aoe and better utility imo. I personally don’t notice a huge difference between them in fractals.

[Blood Red Arachnid.2493]

Both power and condi are viable everywhere. They're not optimal or in demand, but definitely viable.

 

> @"Hoodie.1045" said:

> In its' current state, revenant is really lacking in terms of build variety. That's not to say it's a bad profession, far from it. It's a really good profession, but the only problem with it is that it lacks build variety. Don't even think about using condi revenant. Power revenant surpasses condi revenant by a lot.

 

I do wonder how the things I say get twisted so far. For anyone not in the know, I'm the source of the "power rev is better than condi rev' sentiment. Of course, there's qualifications to it all. The different ways that condi and power inflict damage mean that there will be advantages in different places.

 

A lot of players, when thinking of PVE, think only about raids and don't consider anything else (overworld roaming, overworld bosses, dungeons, fractals). Raids are sort of a unique environment in how they are constructed, and as such what is best in a raid isn't necessarily best anywhere else. This leads to a skewed perspective, and skewed advice based on that perspective.

 

The main problem with condi builds of any kind is the ramp up. If you're in a good group in fractals and dungeons, the average lifespan of anything less than a champion is less than three seconds. This is faster than it takes for Unyielding Anguish and Searing Fissure pulse out all of their hits. This isn't an issue unique to revenant, either. When playing a mirage, a whole army of vets is dead before all 3 illusions are up. When playing a daredevil, they're all dead before you use all your initiative. When playing a scourge, desert shroud isn't going to finish pulsing. Etc. and so on.

 

Fractals get a special mention, due to how phasing works. Though bosses live long enough for condis to ramp up, a lot of them have intermittent mechanics or different phases that pop every quarter health. Whenever they do this, they cleanse their current conditions, cutting off all of that excess damage. Condi builds have to re-ramp every 25% health, which again can wear away very fast. In raids, and against big overworld mobs like bounties, the enemies have a whole lot more health, allowing them to stay alive for several minutes of direct combat. This lets condi builds build up their damage, which frequently tops off higher than what a power build can output. This is where the condi builds shine.

 

To deal with rev specifically, there certain advantages and disadvantages to how each spec does its damage. Power rev does it fast, has the longest range, and is the easiest rotation, but it has less AoE capabilities. Condi builds are more flexible, peak out at higher damage, and have greater AoE skills, but the ramp up means that they're significantly slower at killing non-bosses.