ChronosCosmos.9450 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 "Allow me--a person who does not play with you--explain to you how to play your game." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vavume.8065 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Happens in every multiplayer game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronosCosmos.9450 Posted July 5, 2018 Author Share Posted July 5, 2018 > @"Vavume.8065" said: > Happens in every multiplayer game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loosmaster.8263 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Allow me to show you how to use the search function even though I don't use it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vavume.8065 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 > @"ChronosCosmos.9450" said: > > @"Vavume.8065" said: > > Happens in every multiplayer game... > > That also happens in every multiplayer game. Players tell the devs how to do their jobs and players tell eachother how to play the game, nothing new there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windu The Forbidden One.60 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 > @"Vavume.8065" said: > > @"ChronosCosmos.9450" said: > > > @"Vavume.8065" said: > > > Happens in every multiplayer game... > > > > > > That also happens in every multiplayer game. Players tell the devs how to do their jobs and players tell eachother how to play the game, nothing new there. Giving constructive criticism =/= telling someone how to do their job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vavume.8065 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 > @"Windu The Forbidden One.6045" said: > > @"Vavume.8065" said: > > > @"ChronosCosmos.9450" said: > > > > @"Vavume.8065" said: > > > > Happens in every multiplayer game... > > > > > > > > > > That also happens in every multiplayer game. Players tell the devs how to do their jobs and players tell eachother how to play the game, nothing new there. > > Giving constructive criticism =/= telling someone how to do their job. Don't try to sugar coat it, it's not always constructive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windu The Forbidden One.60 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 > @"Vavume.8065" said: > > @"Windu The Forbidden One.6045" said: > > > @"Vavume.8065" said: > > > > @"ChronosCosmos.9450" said: > > > > > @"Vavume.8065" said: > > > > > Happens in every multiplayer game... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That also happens in every multiplayer game. Players tell the devs how to do their jobs and players tell eachother how to play the game, nothing new there. > > > > Giving constructive criticism =/= telling someone how to do their job. > > Don't try to sugar coat it, it's not always constructive. But this time it was. I'm not sugar coating anything, I'm merely stating a fact. We are not talking about other cases where people criticised game devs, we are talking about this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vavume.8065 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 > @"Windu The Forbidden One.6045" said: > We are not talking about other cases where people criticised game devs, we are talking about this one. I was speaking in general, which was pretty obvious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReaverKane.7598 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 > @"ChronosCosmos.9450" said: > > @"Vavume.8065" said: > > Happens in every multiplayer game... > > And that ladies and gents is why GW2 fails to improve! Devs take every criticism as a personal attack. And the "Female" addition to "game dev" does also talk about a few other cultural issues. Adding Female to "game dev", doesn't add anything to the pot. People rarely criticise individual developers, so gender is a _non-sequitor_ in the discussion. In this case he replied to her tweet, but i'm sure if it was one of the male writers doing so, the reply would be the same. Deroir's critics are valid, the way the story begun developing post-HoT totally removed agency from the player. It's less a **Role-playing** game than a **role-watching** game. The choice was removed, and that's why expectations keep getting frustrated, Brahm's Tantrum in "A Crack in the Ice" comes to mind, my mind-cannon for my character, built through the personal story certainly does not allow for a huge norn to be cowed by basically a kid. Especially when my character was directly mentored by Eir, saved her a couple times, and then the kid that hated her for all his life, that only got a relation with her through me, knows better? Please... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tolmos.8395 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Yea, honestly it's pretty telling to see how Anet employees have been viewing player feedback. :( If this was just a one off, I'd think that she was just a miserable person who hated her job, but when Peter Fries also chimed in defense of her stance, it kinda drove home that this is likely more of an Anet corporate culture outlook that isn't relegated to just one person. I'm struggling to look at GW2 the same anymore, especially the story knowing it was written by them and how little they think of those of us who play the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronosCosmos.9450 Posted July 5, 2018 Author Share Posted July 5, 2018 > @"Tolmos.8395" said: > Yea, honestly it's pretty telling to see how Anet employees have been viewing player feedback. :( If this was just a one off, I'd think that she was just a miserable person who hated her job, but when Peter Fries also chimed in defense of her stance, it kinda drove home that this is likely more of an Anet corporate culture outlook that isn't relegated to just one person. > > I'm struggling to look at GW2 the same anymore, especially the story knowing it was written by them and how little they think of those of us who play the game. Peter Fries, another developer was supporting her actions? Wow. I think that A-net in-general has very nice developers. There are a few bad apples but they might be having a bad day. However, I don't understand why Peter was supporting her demoralization of Deroir publicly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tolmos.8395 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 > @"ChronosCosmos.9450" said: > > @"Tolmos.8395" said: > > Yea, honestly it's pretty telling to see how Anet employees have been viewing player feedback. :( If this was just a one off, I'd think that she was just a miserable person who hated her job, but when Peter Fries also chimed in defense of her stance, it kinda drove home that this is likely more of an Anet corporate culture outlook that isn't relegated to just one person. > > > > I'm struggling to look at GW2 the same anymore, especially the story knowing it was written by them and how little they think of those of us who play the game. > > Peter Fries, another developer was supporting her actions? Wow. I think that A-net in-general has very nice developers. There are a few bad apples but they might be having a bad day. However, I don't understand why Peter was supporting her demoralization of Deroir publicly. Yea, it was a pretty unfortunate thing to see. :( https://twitter.com/Peter_Fries/status/1014590359916048384 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronosCosmos.9450 Posted July 5, 2018 Author Share Posted July 5, 2018 > @"Tolmos.8395" said: > > @"ChronosCosmos.9450" said: > > > @"Tolmos.8395" said: > > > Yea, honestly it's pretty telling to see how Anet employees have been viewing player feedback. :( If this was just a one off, I'd think that she was just a miserable person who hated her job, but when Peter Fries also chimed in defense of her stance, it kinda drove home that this is likely more of an Anet corporate culture outlook that isn't relegated to just one person. > > > > > > I'm struggling to look at GW2 the same anymore, especially the story knowing it was written by them and how little they think of those of us who play the game. > > > > Peter Fries, another developer was supporting her actions? Wow. I think that A-net in-general has very nice developers. There are a few bad apples but they might be having a bad day. However, I don't understand why Peter was supporting her demoralization of Deroir publicly. > > Yea, it was a pretty unfortunate thing to see. :( > > https://twitter.com/Peter_Fries/status/1014590359916048384 You're working for a company about a public game. You're expected to handle criticism publicly if you chose to represent the company via a public platform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReaverKane.7598 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 > @"ChronosCosmos.9450" said: > > @"Tolmos.8395" said: > > Yea, honestly it's pretty telling to see how Anet employees have been viewing player feedback. :( If this was just a one off, I'd think that she was just a miserable person who hated her job, but when Peter Fries also chimed in defense of her stance, it kinda drove home that this is likely more of an Anet corporate culture outlook that isn't relegated to just one person. > > > > I'm struggling to look at GW2 the same anymore, especially the story knowing it was written by them and how little they think of those of us who play the game. > > Peter Fries, another developer was supporting her actions? Wow. I think that A-net in-general has very nice developers. There are a few bad apples but they might be having a bad day. However, I don't understand why Peter was supporting her demoralization of Deroir publicly. Given several past and present events, i'd say this is pretty widespread in the company, sadly. It's also a sign of the ages, extreme leftist policies, the blind consequences of the #metoo movement, etc, have changed a lot of dialogue between costumer and creators is done, especially in the US. I mean, you can't criticise Star Wars nowadays without being labelled sexist, or racist, most likely both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artemis.6781 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Anet will simply let it ride out until people find another "cause" to get behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tolmos.8395 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 > @"ReaverKane.7598" said: > > @"ChronosCosmos.9450" said: > > > @"Tolmos.8395" said: > > > Yea, honestly it's pretty telling to see how Anet employees have been viewing player feedback. :( If this was just a one off, I'd think that she was just a miserable person who hated her job, but when Peter Fries also chimed in defense of her stance, it kinda drove home that this is likely more of an Anet corporate culture outlook that isn't relegated to just one person. > > > > > > I'm struggling to look at GW2 the same anymore, especially the story knowing it was written by them and how little they think of those of us who play the game. > > > > Peter Fries, another developer was supporting her actions? Wow. I think that A-net in-general has very nice developers. There are a few bad apples but they might be having a bad day. However, I don't understand why Peter was supporting her demoralization of Deroir publicly. > > Given several past and present events, i'd say this is pretty widespread in the company, sadly. > It's also a sign of the ages, extreme leftist policies, the blind consequences of the #metoo movement, etc, have changed a lot of dialogue between costumer and creators is done, especially in the US. I mean, you can't criticise Star Wars nowadays without being labelled sexist, or racist, most likely both. I can't really agree that employees treating their company's users in such a toxic fashion is somehow widespread right now. This is one of the first instances I've seen of an MMO employee labeling everyone who disagrees with her in a discussion about her work on the game as sexist. I could be wrong, but I really see this as an internal Arenanet problem only. I'm more concerned that this is a viewpoint shared across the company, considering she wasn't alone in her stance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronosCosmos.9450 Posted July 5, 2018 Author Share Posted July 5, 2018 > @"Tolmos.8395" said: > > @"ReaverKane.7598" said: > > > @"ChronosCosmos.9450" said: > > > > @"Tolmos.8395" said: > > > > Yea, honestly it's pretty telling to see how Anet employees have been viewing player feedback. :( If this was just a one off, I'd think that she was just a miserable person who hated her job, but when Peter Fries also chimed in defense of her stance, it kinda drove home that this is likely more of an Anet corporate culture outlook that isn't relegated to just one person. > > > > > > > > I'm struggling to look at GW2 the same anymore, especially the story knowing it was written by them and how little they think of those of us who play the game. > > > > > > Peter Fries, another developer was supporting her actions? Wow. I think that A-net in-general has very nice developers. There are a few bad apples but they might be having a bad day. However, I don't understand why Peter was supporting her demoralization of Deroir publicly. > > > > Given several past and present events, i'd say this is pretty widespread in the company, sadly. > > It's also a sign of the ages, extreme leftist policies, the blind consequences of the #metoo movement, etc, have changed a lot of dialogue between costumer and creators is done, especially in the US. I mean, you can't criticise Star Wars nowadays without being labelled sexist, or racist, most likely both. > > I can't really agree that employees treating their company's users in such a toxic fashion is somehow widespread right now. This is one of the first instances I've seen of an MMO employee labeling everyone who disagrees with her in a discussion about her work on the game as sexist. I could be wrong, but I really see this as an internal Arenanet problem only. I'm more concerned that this is a viewpoint shared across the company, considering she wasn't alone in her stance. This is some CNN shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FyzE.3472 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Untag me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronosCosmos.9450 Posted July 5, 2018 Author Share Posted July 5, 2018 > @"FyzE.3472" said: > Untag me. lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windu The Forbidden One.60 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 > @"Tolmos.8395" said: > > @"ChronosCosmos.9450" said: > > > @"Tolmos.8395" said: > > > Yea, honestly it's pretty telling to see how Anet employees have been viewing player feedback. :( If this was just a one off, I'd think that she was just a miserable person who hated her job, but when Peter Fries also chimed in defense of her stance, it kinda drove home that this is likely more of an Anet corporate culture outlook that isn't relegated to just one person. > > > > > > I'm struggling to look at GW2 the same anymore, especially the story knowing it was written by them and how little they think of those of us who play the game. > > > > Peter Fries, another developer was supporting her actions? Wow. I think that A-net in-general has very nice developers. There are a few bad apples but they might be having a bad day. However, I don't understand why Peter was supporting her demoralization of Deroir publicly. > > Yea, it was a pretty unfortunate thing to see. :( > > https://twitter.com/Peter_Fries/status/1014590359916048384 If she doesn't want people responding to her posts, she shouldn't be on a public social media platform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardid.7203 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 I frankly don't think this deserves so much attention, from any side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReaverKane.7598 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 > @"Ardid.7203" said: > I frankly don't think this deserves so much attention, from any side. Well, it's a sample of how our feedback is treated internally. Which is also a window into the future of development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadshow.9320 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 She posted something she took at heart so did he, saying she did not ask for his feedback is whining to the highest degree. "I did not ask for this why are you picking one me :'( :'( " If you don't want people to reply to your comments, don't comment plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalGirl.2370 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 It's actually mind-blowing that Peter would say something like that considering that internet in general is public so just by posting anything on something public is going to attract thousands of different opinions. You don't need to ask or not ask for one...if its public, prepare to have different responses because every person is going to have one and it will all be different. If you don't want opinions, then don't post anything online. Simple. But ofc Anet supports her because of their SJW thing they got going on there. Plus if she gets offended by something constructive and not offensive at all then she is in the wrong profession... if you're game developer you need to have an open mind about everything and take criticism... Also no wonder story is bland lately when such person works on it, they are probably too scared to even tell her something should be changed out of fear she will start screaming "sexism" and pull a "victim card" on them ... Edit: - and it's hilarious that they censor forum as much as they can, not long ago they deleted somebody's post for no reason, he only said he'd prefer more "evil" armors... Yet devs can go off on people for no reason whatsoever... and then they wanna paint themselves to be this amazing welcoming company. She should be fired because she is representing company in a bad way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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