morrolan.9608 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 > @"godofcows.2451" said: > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > This patch is hilariously bad for WvW, essentially no scourge nerfs yet they nerf Firebrand sustain more, the only thing combating scourge. > > actually it's a giant nerf for scourge. dhummfire. Thats not an issue for WvW and pvp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 > @"SirAsix.1258" said: > > @"Sovereign.1093" said: > > classes got balanced but good players will figure a way thru iteration. > > > > ex. warrior shouts more notable and useful now as anti condi cc. but you can still be the damage winds > > > > fbs heals may need 2 per party or atleast 6 in a twenty man to do good because of heal nerf. just like the old school guard guard > > > > scourge will still be your main damager. 5 of us killed 10 to 15 as surprise. but we got wiped easily too. > > > > fb fb scourge scourge sb. - your go to face roll for pugs. > > > > for guild > > > > 6fb 3 sb 4 scourge 1 chrono 1 weaver > > So going back to a ball meta style setup? Bubble is still a thing tho. you have 3.spell breakers =) yesterday after patch we were 17 to 21 and was holding oir own against 30 40 of fa and jq. fights were winnable once we had 2 guards per team =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murdock.5274 Posted July 11, 2018 Author Share Posted July 11, 2018 Hello, no, for example, if I run with my guard and he is full of soldier equipment, I get 15k DMG too. So where is the balance here if a heavy equipment gets 15k DMG from a mage ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trajan.4953 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 It does seem like the meta is settling down to something very predictable and boring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egorum.9506 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > @"godofcows.2451" said: > > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > This patch is hilariously bad for WvW, essentially no scourge nerfs yet they nerf Firebrand sustain more, the only thing combating scourge. > > > > actually it's a giant nerf for scourge. dhummfire. > > Thats not an issue for WvW and pvp. It's a huge nerf, completely takes condi scourge out of the running. 40% of total damage, gone. This combined with the ele changes means no more pirate shipping. These are important changes for WvW lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrolan.9608 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > Thats not an issue for WvW and pvp. > > It's a huge nerf, completely takes condi scourge out of the running. 40% of total damage, gone. The main issue with condi scourge is boon corruption, this won't change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egorum.9506 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > > Thats not an issue for WvW and pvp. > > > > It's a huge nerf, completely takes condi scourge out of the running. 40% of total damage, gone. > > The main issue with condi scourge is boon corruption, this won't change that. > > > Why wouldn't it? Power scourge and reaper have almost the same access to boon corrupt, and both are now doing 40% more damage than condi scourge. Watch what happens at reset this week man lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 celestials ppl. celestials Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ubi.4136 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > > > Thats not an issue for WvW and pvp. > > > > > > It's a huge nerf, completely takes condi scourge out of the running. 40% of total damage, gone. > > > > The main issue with condi scourge is boon corruption, this won't change that. > > > > > > > > Why wouldn't it? Power scourge and reaper have almost the same access to boon corrupt, and both are now doing 40% more damage than condi scourge. Watch what happens at reset this week man lol I haven't seen this many reapers in wvw since before PoF launched. Everywhere tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anduriell.6280 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Condi Scourge was hit really bad with this change, burning was abig chunk of their damage. Maybe spit/curses and have fun corrupting much more around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrolan.9608 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > > > Thats not an issue for WvW and pvp. > > > > > > It's a huge nerf, completely takes condi scourge out of the running. 40% of total damage, gone. > > > > The main issue with condi scourge is boon corruption, this won't change that. > Why wouldn't it? Power scourge and reaper have almost the same access to boon corrupt, and both are now doing 40% more damage than condi scourge. Watch what happens at reset this week man lol So the dhuumfire change could affect 1 scourge but what is the effect on groups running say 20 scourges or more, will it have an appreciable effect and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > > > > Thats not an issue for WvW and pvp. > > > > > > > > It's a huge nerf, completely takes condi scourge out of the running. 40% of total damage, gone. > > > > > > The main issue with condi scourge is boon corruption, this won't change that. > > > Why wouldn't it? Power scourge and reaper have almost the same access to boon corrupt, and both are now doing 40% more damage than condi scourge. Watch what happens at reset this week man lol > > So the dhuumfire change could affect 1 scourge but what is the effect on groups running say 20 scourges or more, will it have an appreciable effect and why? > if left alone, 5 scourge 1 ele can wipe 15 to 20 in a choke. pull f1 f2 f5 staff 4 wells and elite. plus meteors if you bomb as one, you will kill many. scourge is still good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrolan.9608 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 > @"Sovereign.1093" said: > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > > > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > > > > > Thats not an issue for WvW and pvp. > > > > > > > > > > It's a huge nerf, completely takes condi scourge out of the running. 40% of total damage, gone. > > > > > > > > The main issue with condi scourge is boon corruption, this won't change that. > > > > > Why wouldn't it? Power scourge and reaper have almost the same access to boon corrupt, and both are now doing 40% more damage than condi scourge. Watch what happens at reset this week man lol > > > > So the dhuumfire change could affect 1 scourge but what is the effect on groups running say 20 scourges or more, will it have an appreciable effect and why? > > > > if left alone, 5 scourge 1 ele can wipe 15 to 20 in a choke. > > pull f1 f2 f5 staff 4 wells and elite. plus meteors > > if you bomb as one, you will kill many. i dunno why u guys complaining. > > scourge is still good This is exactly what I'm saying, the change will have minimal effect on scourges in a group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waffle.3748 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > > > > Thats not an issue for WvW and pvp. > > > > > > > > It's a huge nerf, completely takes condi scourge out of the running. 40% of total damage, gone. > > > > > > The main issue with condi scourge is boon corruption, this won't change that. > > > Why wouldn't it? Power scourge and reaper have almost the same access to boon corrupt, and both are now doing 40% more damage than condi scourge. Watch what happens at reset this week man lol > > So the dhuumfire change could affect 1 scourge but what is the effect on groups running say 20 scourges or more, will it have an appreciable effect and why? > It's the difference between 15+ burn stacks on you from eating a bit of a shade bomb and 5 or so. It's absolutely a big nerf to celestial and cele/grieving scourge, as a large portion of their damage is burning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malafaia.8903 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > @"godofcows.2451" said: > > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > This patch is hilariously bad for WvW, essentially no scourge nerfs yet they nerf Firebrand sustain more, the only thing combating scourge. > > > > actually it's a giant nerf for scourge. dhummfire. > > Thats not an issue for WvW and pvp. You clearly have no idea what you're saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrolan.9608 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 > @"Malafaia.8903" said: > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > @"godofcows.2451" said: > > > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > > This patch is hilariously bad for WvW, essentially no scourge nerfs yet they nerf Firebrand sustain more, the only thing combating scourge. > > > > > > actually it's a giant nerf for scourge. dhummfire. > > > > Thats not an issue for WvW and pvp. > > You clearly have no idea what you're saying. The debate has moved on please address what has been stated in more recent posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godofcows.2451 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > @"godofcows.2451" said: > > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > This patch is hilariously bad for WvW, essentially no scourge nerfs yet they nerf Firebrand sustain more, the only thing combating scourge. > > > > actually it's a giant nerf for scourge. dhummfire. > > Thats not an issue for WvW and pvp. Of course it is, where do you think the usual scourge burn procs from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threather.9354 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Well Elements of rage was too strong of a trait before so I can understand the nerfs on that one. Lava font got kinda gutted little too much, they should have buffed some other attunement skill like Lightning Surge by 20% if they wanted to push staff eles off "must play fire" gameplay. Mist form got buffed slightly. Anyways any long range nerfs that help new players not getting 1-shot are welcome. Hammer rev was before, now ele and scourge. Guess they realised that casual groups (no minstrel firebrand) couldn't push due to the fields dealing too much damage. Overall, I welcome the changes, staff eles that camped fire were too uninteractive spec for WvW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egorum.9506 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > @"Sovereign.1093" said: > > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > > > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > > > > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > > > > > > Thats not an issue for WvW and pvp. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a huge nerf, completely takes condi scourge out of the running. 40% of total damage, gone. > > > > > > > > > > The main issue with condi scourge is boon corruption, this won't change that. > > > > > > > Why wouldn't it? Power scourge and reaper have almost the same access to boon corrupt, and both are now doing 40% more damage than condi scourge. Watch what happens at reset this week man lol > > > > > > So the dhuumfire change could affect 1 scourge but what is the effect on groups running say 20 scourges or more, will it have an appreciable effect and why? > > > > > > > if left alone, 5 scourge 1 ele can wipe 15 to 20 in a choke. > > > > pull f1 f2 f5 staff 4 wells and elite. plus meteors > > > > if you bomb as one, you will kill many. i dunno why u guys complaining. > > > > scourge is still good > > This is exactly what I'm saying, the change will have minimal effect on scourges in a group. https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/596346#Comment_596346 Math on dhummfire. If you're holding a choke with 5 scourge and an ele, the people you're fighting are laughably bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > @"Sovereign.1093" said: > > > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > > > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > > > > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > > > > > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > > > > > > > Thats not an issue for WvW and pvp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a huge nerf, completely takes condi scourge out of the running. 40% of total damage, gone. > > > > > > > > > > > > The main issue with condi scourge is boon corruption, this won't change that. > > > > > > > > > Why wouldn't it? Power scourge and reaper have almost the same access to boon corrupt, and both are now doing 40% more damage than condi scourge. Watch what happens at reset this week man lol > > > > > > > > So the dhuumfire change could affect 1 scourge but what is the effect on groups running say 20 scourges or more, will it have an appreciable effect and why? > > > > > > > > > > if left alone, 5 scourge 1 ele can wipe 15 to 20 in a choke. > > > > > > pull f1 f2 f5 staff 4 wells and elite. plus meteors > > > > > > if you bomb as one, you will kill many. i dunno why u guys complaining. > > > > > > scourge is still good > > > > This is exactly what I'm saying, the change will have minimal effect on scourges in a group. > > https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/596346#Comment_596346 > > Math on dhummfire. If you're holding a choke with 5 scourge and an ele, the people you're fighting are laughably bad. =) nah they didnt see us. we snuck behind. they stayd at choke. we rely more on f5 and wells than condi. then as you say, th may have been bad =p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egorum.9506 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 > @"Sovereign.1093" said: > > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > > @"Sovereign.1093" said: > > > > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > > > > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > > > > > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > > > > > > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > > > > > > > > Thats not an issue for WvW and pvp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a huge nerf, completely takes condi scourge out of the running. 40% of total damage, gone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The main issue with condi scourge is boon corruption, this won't change that. > > > > > > > > > > > Why wouldn't it? Power scourge and reaper have almost the same access to boon corrupt, and both are now doing 40% more damage than condi scourge. Watch what happens at reset this week man lol > > > > > > > > > > So the dhuumfire change could affect 1 scourge but what is the effect on groups running say 20 scourges or more, will it have an appreciable effect and why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > if left alone, 5 scourge 1 ele can wipe 15 to 20 in a choke. > > > > > > > > pull f1 f2 f5 staff 4 wells and elite. plus meteors > > > > > > > > if you bomb as one, you will kill many. i dunno why u guys complaining. > > > > > > > > scourge is still good > > > > > > This is exactly what I'm saying, the change will have minimal effect on scourges in a group. > > > > https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/596346#Comment_596346 > > > > Math on dhummfire. If you're holding a choke with 5 scourge and an ele, the people you're fighting are laughably bad. > > =) nah they didnt see us. we snuck behind. they stayd at choke. > > we rely more on f5 and wells than condi So, power scourge lol. All it takes to fuck that up is 3 heralds turning and pressing 2 from 1200 range Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > @"Sovereign.1093" said: > > > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > > > @"Sovereign.1093" said: > > > > > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > > > > > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > > > > > > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > > > > > > > > > Thats not an issue for WvW and pvp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a huge nerf, completely takes condi scourge out of the running. 40% of total damage, gone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The main issue with condi scourge is boon corruption, this won't change that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why wouldn't it? Power scourge and reaper have almost the same access to boon corrupt, and both are now doing 40% more damage than condi scourge. Watch what happens at reset this week man lol > > > > > > > > > > > > So the dhuumfire change could affect 1 scourge but what is the effect on groups running say 20 scourges or more, will it have an appreciable effect and why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if left alone, 5 scourge 1 ele can wipe 15 to 20 in a choke. > > > > > > > > > > pull f1 f2 f5 staff 4 wells and elite. plus meteors > > > > > > > > > > if you bomb as one, you will kill many. i dunno why u guys complaining. > > > > > > > > > > scourge is still good > > > > > > > > This is exactly what I'm saying, the change will have minimal effect on scourges in a group. > > > > > > https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/596346#Comment_596346 > > > > > > Math on dhummfire. If you're holding a choke with 5 scourge and an ele, the people you're fighting are laughably bad. > > > > =) nah they didnt see us. we snuck behind. they stayd at choke. > > > > we rely more on f5 and wells than condi > > So, power scourge lol. All it takes to kitten that up is 3 heralds turning and pressing 2 from 1200 range cele =) well the topic is scourge effect can be replicated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lahmia.2193 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 > @"Ubi.4136" said: > > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > > > > Thats not an issue for WvW and pvp. > > > > > > > > It's a huge nerf, completely takes condi scourge out of the running. 40% of total damage, gone. > > > > > > The main issue with condi scourge is boon corruption, this won't change that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why wouldn't it? Power scourge and reaper have almost the same access to boon corrupt, and both are now doing 40% more damage than condi scourge. Watch what happens at reset this week man lol > > I haven't seen this many reapers in wvw since before PoF launched. Everywhere tonight. It's great, isn't it? Scourge is dead! Love live Reaper! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egorum.9506 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 > @"Sovereign.1093" said: > > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > > @"Sovereign.1093" said: > > > > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > > > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > > > > @"Sovereign.1093" said: > > > > > > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > > > > > > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > > > > > > > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > > > > > > > > > > Thats not an issue for WvW and pvp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a huge nerf, completely takes condi scourge out of the running. 40% of total damage, gone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The main issue with condi scourge is boon corruption, this won't change that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why wouldn't it? Power scourge and reaper have almost the same access to boon corrupt, and both are now doing 40% more damage than condi scourge. Watch what happens at reset this week man lol > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So the dhuumfire change could affect 1 scourge but what is the effect on groups running say 20 scourges or more, will it have an appreciable effect and why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if left alone, 5 scourge 1 ele can wipe 15 to 20 in a choke. > > > > > > > > > > > > pull f1 f2 f5 staff 4 wells and elite. plus meteors > > > > > > > > > > > > if you bomb as one, you will kill many. i dunno why u guys complaining. > > > > > > > > > > > > scourge is still good > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly what I'm saying, the change will have minimal effect on scourges in a group. > > > > > > > > https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/596346#Comment_596346 > > > > > > > > Math on dhummfire. If you're holding a choke with 5 scourge and an ele, the people you're fighting are laughably bad. > > > > > > =) nah they didnt see us. we snuck behind. they stayd at choke. > > > > > > we rely more on f5 and wells than condi > > > > So, power scourge lol. All it takes to kitten that up is 3 heralds turning and pressing 2 from 1200 range > > cele =) well the topic is scourge effect can be replicated Cele is a waste man. What are you using the condition damage for? 2s torment? Whatever you manage to corrupt? Wasted Stat on scourge now. Healing power? 1k healing power gives you 874 more barrier on f2 and 1513 barrier on sand flare. Do you think giving up 1k in stats for 2387 barrier is a good trade off? I sure don't lol You lose too much running cele for it to be viable, you could maybe make the argument that it's worth it with prenerf dhummfire, but then you were better off running grieving/tb anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > @"Sovereign.1093" said: > > > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > > > @"Sovereign.1093" said: > > > > > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > > > > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > > > > > @"Sovereign.1093" said: > > > > > > > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Egorum.9506" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thats not an issue for WvW and pvp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a huge nerf, completely takes condi scourge out of the running. 40% of total damage, gone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The main issue with condi scourge is boon corruption, this won't change that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why wouldn't it? Power scourge and reaper have almost the same access to boon corrupt, and both are now doing 40% more damage than condi scourge. Watch what happens at reset this week man lol > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So the dhuumfire change could affect 1 scourge but what is the effect on groups running say 20 scourges or more, will it have an appreciable effect and why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if left alone, 5 scourge 1 ele can wipe 15 to 20 in a choke. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pull f1 f2 f5 staff 4 wells and elite. plus meteors > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you bomb as one, you will kill many. i dunno why u guys complaining. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scourge is still good > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly what I'm saying, the change will have minimal effect on scourges in a group. > > > > > > > > > > https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/596346#Comment_596346 > > > > > > > > > > Math on dhummfire. If you're holding a choke with 5 scourge and an ele, the people you're fighting are laughably bad. > > > > > > > > =) nah they didnt see us. we snuck behind. they stayd at choke. > > > > > > > > we rely more on f5 and wells than condi > > > > > > So, power scourge lol. All it takes to kitten that up is 3 heralds turning and pressing 2 from 1200 range > > > > cele =) well the topic is scourge effect can be replicated > > Cele is a waste man. What are you using the condition damage for? 2s torment? Whatever you manage to corrupt? Wasted Stat on scourge now. > > Healing power? 1k healing power gives you 874 more barrier on f2 and 1513 barrier on sand flare. Do you think giving up 1k in stats for 2387 barrier is a good trade off? I sure don't lol > > You lose too much running cele for it to be viable, you could maybe make the argument that it's worth it with prenerf dhummfire, but then you were better off running grieving/tb anyways =) we masterd cele then and now. works.for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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