Lunateric.3708 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Soulbeast has a total of 5 builds that were benchmarked for this patch: * Power Sword/Axe * Power Axe/Axe * Power Dagger/Axe * Condition SB/SB * Condition Dagger/Torch I think it's safe to say Soulbeast as a whole is getting more build variety with this patch. Two points I would personally like to see more on the next balance patch would be: **further improvements on mainhand dagger, IE coefficient buffs to dagger 2, further improving auto 2, 3 and 4** and **less dependency on Sic 'Em through more synergistic traits**, it's too big a of a skill and that isn't healthy imo. Condition soulbeast isn't a top pick for condi builds but the answer to that I leave to people more familiar with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soilder.3607 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Look at that. Five meta soulbeast builds in the most important and most populated (by far) game mode, in addition to the sacred Druid. And yet the forum warriors still cry a river over this class. Thank you for these benchmarks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jml.4027 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Thanks a lot for the work put into this, it is much appreciated. I believe it's important to highlight that some include stanceshare while others do not, at least in the discussion of how worthwhile these builds are, it's a pretty big point imo that people who are not familiar with the builds might overlook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anduriell.6280 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 > @"Soilder.3607" said: > ... in the most important and most populated (by far) game mode,... uh? from when raids is the most _populated_ content? Did i miss something here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGDeadHead.8326 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 > @"anduriell.6280" said: > > @"Soilder.3607" said: > > ... in the most important and most populated (by far) game mode,... > > uh? from when raids is the most _populated_ content? Did i miss something here? Lol yeah, was thinking the same! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunateric.3708 Posted September 5, 2018 Author Share Posted September 5, 2018 > @"anduriell.6280" said: > > @"Soilder.3607" said: > > ... in the most important and most populated (by far) game mode,... > > uh? from when raids is the most _populated_ content? Did i miss something here? I think it's somewhat obvious OP means PvE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levetty.1279 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 > @"Lunateric.3708" said: > > @"anduriell.6280" said: > > > @"Soilder.3607" said: > > > ... in the most important and most populated (by far) game mode,... > > > > uh? from when raids is the most _populated_ content? Did i miss something here? > > I think it's somewhat obvious OP means PvE. Sic 'Em and Attack of Opportunity really limits the build outside of Golem tests and single target bosses though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbroe.4329 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 That's not 5 meta builds, that's 2 meta builds with some weapon variations. Semantics, I know, but still. They're all basically identical so it's worth noting for people that come in thinking they'll see a ton of variety and playstyle variance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunateric.3708 Posted September 5, 2018 Author Share Posted September 5, 2018 > @"Levetty.1279" said: > > @"Lunateric.3708" said: > > > @"anduriell.6280" said: > > > > @"Soilder.3607" said: > > > > ... in the most important and most populated (by far) game mode,... > > > > > > uh? from when raids is the most _populated_ content? Did i miss something here? > > > > I think it's somewhat obvious OP means PvE. > > Sic 'Em and Attack of Opportunity really limits the build outside of Golem tests and single target bosses though. Sic 'Em doesn't have a target cap though. Attack of opportunity doesn't either. What does it have to do with single target? > @"jcbroe.4329" said: > That's not 5 meta builds, that's 2 meta builds with some weapon variations. > > Semantics, I know, but still. They're all basically identical so it's worth noting for people that come in thinking they'll see a ton of variety and playstyle variance. Like in any MMO where skills are tied to weapons, changing a weapon already alters the build to be considered different. They all play differently even though the elite spec is the exact same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynnie.7213 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Great work you've done there. I personally enjoyed the axe mainhand option as power soulbeast so this doesn't force us to be melee all the time which is not possible in some situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkeyspit.3965 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 > @"Soilder.3607" said: > And yet the forum warriors still cry a river over this class. > > Thank you for these benchmarks. Pick 10 Rangers standing in LA, likely 9 of them have a Longbow equipped. Amazing then that people aren't happy with these benchmarks.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euthymias.7984 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Eh. Same build, different Auto Attacks when it comes to Sword vs Dagger. The MH axe being close to either is pretty cool though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbroe.4329 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 > @"Lunateric.3708" said: > > @"Levetty.1279" said: > > > @"Lunateric.3708" said: > > > > @"anduriell.6280" said: > > > > > @"Soilder.3607" said: > > > > > ... in the most important and most populated (by far) game mode,... > > > > > > > > uh? from when raids is the most _populated_ content? Did i miss something here? > > > > > > I think it's somewhat obvious OP means PvE. > > > > Sic 'Em and Attack of Opportunity really limits the build outside of Golem tests and single target bosses though. > > Sic 'Em doesn't have a target cap though. Attack of opportunity doesn't either. What does it have to do with single target? > > > @"jcbroe.4329" said: > > That's not 5 meta builds, that's 2 meta builds with some weapon variations. > > > > Semantics, I know, but still. They're all basically identical so it's worth noting for people that come in thinking they'll see a ton of variety and playstyle variance. > > Like in any MMO where skills are tied to weapons, changing a weapon already alters the build to be considered different. They all play differently even though the elite spec is the exact same. > @"Euthymias.7984" said: > Eh. > Same build, different Auto Attacks when it comes to Sword vs Dagger. > The MH axe being close to either is pretty cool though. This is more what I meant by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levetty.1279 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 > @"Lunateric.3708" said: > > @"Levetty.1279" said: > > > @"Lunateric.3708" said: > > > > @"anduriell.6280" said: > > > > > @"Soilder.3607" said: > > > > > ... in the most important and most populated (by far) game mode,... > > > > > > > > uh? from when raids is the most _populated_ content? Did i miss something here? > > > > > > I think it's somewhat obvious OP means PvE. > > > > Sic 'Em and Attack of Opportunity really limits the build outside of Golem tests and single target bosses though. > > Sic 'Em doesn't have a target cap though. Attack of opportunity doesn't either. What does it have to do with single target? > > > @"jcbroe.4329" said: > > That's not 5 meta builds, that's 2 meta builds with some weapon variations. > > > > Semantics, I know, but still. They're all basically identical so it's worth noting for people that come in thinking they'll see a ton of variety and playstyle variance. > > Like in any MMO where skills are tied to weapons, changing a weapon already alters the build to be considered different. They all play differently even though the elite spec is the exact same. Attack of opportunity only applies to your next attack, but they fixed Sic 'Em so its a buff on yourself? Why does it still need a target? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euthymias.7984 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 > @"Levetty.1279" said: >Attack of opportunity only applies to your next attack, but they fixed Sic 'Em so its a buff on yourself? Why does it still need a target? A Target's needed for the portion of the skill that Reveals for a few seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levetty.1279 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 > @"Euthymias.7984" said: > > @"Levetty.1279" said: > > Sic 'Em doesn't have a target cap though. Attack of opportunity doesn't either. What does it have to do with single target? > A Target's needed for the portion of the skill that Reveals for a few seconds. Ah of course. Still feel like it should be an AoE reveal around you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levetty.1279 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 I've just done some tests and Sic 'Em is still very much single target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunateric.3708 Posted September 6, 2018 Author Share Posted September 6, 2018 > @"Levetty.1279" said: > I've just done some tests and Sic 'Em is still very much single target. You need a target to cast it, that's it, once you have casted if the bonus damage is applied to anything you hit while merged and it's subject to the weapon's target cap. So no, it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levetty.1279 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Why is worldly impact hitting the targets I cast sic 'em on so much harder then the same enemy stood next to them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleazar.9478 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 > @"Soilder.3607" said: > Look at that. Five meta soulbeast builds in the most important and most populated (by far) game mode, in addition to the sacred Druid. And yet the forum warriors still cry a river over this class. > > Thank you for these benchmarks. nobody cries about ranger in pve its been good for a long time, (lol most important) ya ur one of those Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleazar.9478 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 thanks for the dps checks thats pretty cool axe mh is a solid choice. as cool as it is to se dagger work on a power build due to preds cunning, I really wish they would either A add a burst (maybe make skill 2 due a solid burst instead) Or add a defensive skill once maybe a block or daze on skill 2 ( i mainly pvp but i suppose a daze would good for pve too and just makes sense as dagger could have more synergy with its minor trait) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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