The Real Definition of Broken

[tinyreborn.1938]

> @"Alatar.7364" said:

> > @"tinyreborn.1938" said:

> > > @"Crab Fear.1624" said:

> > > > @"tinyreborn.1938" said:

> > > > > @"Crab Fear.1624" said:

> > > > > > @"tinyreborn.1938" said:

> > > > > > > @"Crab Fear.1624" said:

> > > > > > > Why didn't you think of it, deleting mesmer would be faster.

> > > > > > Right, delete all classes entirely instead of balancing them and we would play... Renegades only . 5x5 renegades would be balanced

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Cloak tied to EM is the right fix. Plus exhaustion 2 -3 secs. Literally nothing else is needed.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > I mentioned before about your assumption and confidence being absolutely right while not even close.

> > > > >The pool of "skilled" mesmers grew with the intro or mirage and it will shrink with a proper nerf

> > > > And successfully shrunk after all those nerfs.

> > > > Thats true literally for all pof specs. Honorable mentions to core guardians

> > >

> > > Lala land. That's where you live. Nerfs...hahaha not one...why after the last patch 5 new 5k response threads about mesmer pop up?

> > >

> > > The nerf is simple. Tie cloak to EM with exhaustion. Literally nothing else will be nearly as effective.

> > >

> > > Mesmer should be accountable for cc while mirage too

> > Only 2-3 people being able to play somewhat and in the end everyone who played mesmer had to roll thieves to be useful .

>

> People swapped from Mesmer to Thief

> People swapped from Mesmer to Thief

> People swapped from Mesmer to Thief

> People... WHAT!?

>

>

I never said NOW ... During first years of GW have you seen people that used to play mesmer rolled theives instead ? Iirc that was in paradigm team Xeph, just an example ? That been soooo long time ago, cba to look after each :P

[apharma.3741]

> @"tinyreborn.1938" said:

> > @"Crab Fear.1624" said:

> > mesmers are toned down in spvp, but so is everyone else.

> >

> > nerf mirage.

> >

> > why you refuse to accept that cloak should be tied to EM, and 2- 3 secs of exhaust was enough. if you do this , literally nothing else is needed

>

> Your assumptions arent needed ,just as your confidence being 100% right in bs you suggest

> > @"apharma.3741" said:

> > I believe Hizen is running rabid in the duel vs Cellofrag before anyone starts with the Trailblazer/Dire stats arguement. The only times he was possibly using TB is when in the duel spot as his health was 22.5k which is about where TB puts you on mesmer. Also remember the guild hall has a lot of skills in mesmers favour, jaunt is 20s instead of 30s, stab on shatter much longer, boons much longer, higher damage on some skills etc. One of the reasons I was so annoyed with the blurred frenzy change was that BF does twice as much damage in the guild hall but now it's 1s duration it's not feasible to cancel it in the interests of a fair duel.

> If thats true all skills for mirage unnerfed . Then if we would see Hizen using meta mesmer build against cello , we would behold Cello video how he farming Hizen all day long xD

 

Yeah I mean if this was in a PvP arena the outcome may have been different however now ele is practically immune to conditions with rune of evasion so....he would likely not win in PvP. WvW is another kettle of fish though, no node to stand on makes a lot of builds more viable.

 

Edit: Hizen is exceptional at making builds to counter his opponents, making sure the fight is stacked in his favour as much as possible. It's why he plays condition mesmer a lot and why he plays perma stealth deadeye.

[apharma.3741]

> @"tinyreborn.1938" said:

> > @"Alatar.7364" said:

> > > @"tinyreborn.1938" said:

> > > > @"Crab Fear.1624" said:

> > > > > @"tinyreborn.1938" said:

> > > > > > @"Crab Fear.1624" said:

> > > > > > > @"tinyreborn.1938" said:

> > > > > > > > @"Crab Fear.1624" said:

> > > > > > > > Why didn't you think of it, deleting mesmer would be faster.

> > > > > > > Right, delete all classes entirely instead of balancing them and we would play... Renegades only . 5x5 renegades would be balanced

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cloak tied to EM is the right fix. Plus exhaustion 2 -3 secs. Literally nothing else is needed.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I mentioned before about your assumption and confidence being absolutely right while not even close.

> > > > > >The pool of "skilled" mesmers grew with the intro or mirage and it will shrink with a proper nerf

> > > > > And successfully shrunk after all those nerfs.

> > > > > Thats true literally for all pof specs. Honorable mentions to core guardians

> > > >

> > > > Lala land. That's where you live. Nerfs...hahaha not one...why after the last patch 5 new 5k response threads about mesmer pop up?

> > > >

> > > > The nerf is simple. Tie cloak to EM with exhaustion. Literally nothing else will be nearly as effective.

> > > >

> > > > Mesmer should be accountable for cc while mirage too

> > > Only 2-3 people being able to play somewhat and in the end everyone who played mesmer had to roll thieves to be useful .

> >

> > People swapped from Mesmer to Thief

> > People swapped from Mesmer to Thief

> > People swapped from Mesmer to Thief

> > People... WHAT!?

> >

> >

> I never said NOW ... During first years of GW have you seen people that used to play mesmer rolled theives instead ? Iirc that was in paradigm team Xeph, just an example ? That been soooo long time ago, cba to look after each :P

 

Another example is that NA mesmer was it subcutie or something? Was mesmer main, switched to the vastly superior option of thief for tournaments and it showed when HoT came and mesmer was mandatory with EU stomping NA. Someone from Abjured I think even explicitly said that EU had more mesmer players and tend to win any meta where mesmer is viable (read: not farmed all day every day by thief) as it can quickly rotate people around the map and stall or win a 1v1.

[Nebilim.5127]

> @"whoknocks.4935" said:

> People don't understand that in a game with different classes and builds there will be always overtuned classes.

> You can nerf all the overtuned classes right now in pvp, holo, mirage, soulbeast, scourge, spellbreaker, let's just say those 5; you can be 100% sure if those 5 classes receive insane nerfs, other 5 build will be overtuned, maybe weaver, maybe tempest.

> There will be always top specs.

> You can't play in silver/gold league with a sub par build for example a trash burn guardian and complain how mirage is op.

> If you wanna play to achieve top elo, you must play a meta build, and if you play and master a meta build you will see how much easier will be to deal with the other meta builds.

 

Game was pretty balanced just before HoT dropped and PoF, maybe we had only 1 overtunned classes then(ele tank being first and chrono second). Then they needed to sell the expasions

[apharma.3741]

> @"Nebilim.5127" said:

> > @"whoknocks.4935" said:

> > People don't understand that in a game with different classes and builds there will be always overtuned classes.

> > You can nerf all the overtuned classes right now in pvp, holo, mirage, soulbeast, scourge, spellbreaker, let's just say those 5; you can be 100% sure if those 5 classes receive insane nerfs, other 5 build will be overtuned, maybe weaver, maybe tempest.

> > There will be always top specs.

> > You can't play in silver/gold league with a sub par build for example a trash burn guardian and complain how mirage is op.

> > If you wanna play to achieve top elo, you must play a meta build, and if you play and master a meta build you will see how much easier will be to deal with the other meta builds.

>

> Game was pretty balanced just before HoT dropped and PoF, maybe we had only 1 overtunned classes then(ele tank being first and chrono second). Then they needed to sell the expasions

 

Before HoT hit was probably the most balanced state the game has ever been in. Yes there were problem, I'm not looking at it through rose tinted glasses, ranger was niche if not used at all in teams but it still had a serviceable build in normal modes as long as you didn't bearbow. Double ele was also a common sight but in general we had bunkers, bruisers, rotational damage dealers and +1's, everyone had a working meta build and the difference wasn't as obscene as it is now.

 

I really miss that time, back when my friends hadn't bailed on mass because of power creep. Some still log in regularly but a lot have been gone for years now.

[Crinn.7864]

> @"Azure The Heartless.3261" said:

> *squints*

>

> I'll ignore that.

>

> Tried speed runes on reaper? You can catch them now.

 

If I catch them they just dagger storm. Or in the case of DE they just stealth.

 

 

 

[sephiroth.4217]

Wish I could duel Cello on my Tempest... He's literally the only Elementalist I've respected since my days in DOLO years ago when Sygyt used to staff duel people 1v3.

I think Naru was in the guild during those times iirc, he might remember Sygyt or Second Child.

[Daishi.6027]

> @"Gwaihir.1745" said:

> > @"Daishi.6027" said:

> > > @"Edge.8724" said:

> > > Aaah. Mesmer... The little favorite child of ArenaNet.

> >

> > Lol what about the first 3 years?

>

> Played one for the first 3 years. Yep they were the favorite child then too however much they say they weren’t.

>

>

 

I guess that's why pro players decided to play thief instead for tournament that actually mattered.

Guess that's why 4 war teams (hambow), 4 ranger teams (petting zoo), and 4 ele teams (cele) became a thing respectively in their own metas lasting months each? Where the 5th slot was rarely a mesmer, and if it was it was strictly for portal?

 

Such favoritism. Clearly reflected in the metas of the time.

 

Not like dodging a mirror blade shatter was significantly easier than a backstab theif that could delay itself in stealth endlessly applying safe pressure by comparison.

 

On topic though: True broken was chronobunk when you have a game type around holding points and one class can do so xv1 for a reallly long time safely, along with quickness rezes and quickness stomps, WHILE reducing allies cooldowns.

But okay favoritism? This lasted for **one** season before getting nerfed HARD (compare that to hambow, petting zoo, or cele ele and how long they lasted please); making power obsolete, and yall got the wave of condi chrono since illusion line's cooldown reduction supplemented the alacrity nerfs. Which in the end condi chrono ended up being taken for mostly double moa and portal, almost back to square one.