DEATHsCLAW.1978 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 goals: making core necro somewhat viable in competitive gamemodes by adding mobility and defensice utility to core shroud. let me know what you think main ideas: -improve synergy with dhuumfire -adding damage to Life Transfer and defensive utility Tainted Shackles because they require necro to be almost in melee range -increase mobility by bringing back beta dark path teleport Life Blast: when this hits ints intended target, the projectile explodes, damaging enemies in a 180 radius the explosion damage should be low, but the intended target is hit by the projectile and the explosion (2 dhumfire procs) - Dark Path this now is a ground targeted teleport, affecting enemies in a 180 radius. range is reduced to 900 units. cooldown remains at 15s - Doom cooldown reduced to 15s - Life Transfer add 3s of bleeding per pulse. reduce cooldown to 20s - Tainted Shackles add an armor which reduces incoming damage and grants 3stacks of stability for 5s. triple physical damage of the last pulse. reduce cooldown to 30s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XECOR.2814 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Great ideas. Tainted shackels needs 35sec cooldown if its that powerful. Life transfer 25secs and doom 20secs. You have to consider cd reduction trait on every shroud skills a bit. I agree with darkpath and lifeblast suggestions. The problem is it just wont happen ever. These same ideas have been floating here for a long time which makes me believe that Anet has looked at it before and disagreed with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EremiteAngel.9765 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 I love your ideas too. Would definitely open up a lot more build variety for core necro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEATHsCLAW.1978 Posted December 15, 2018 Author Share Posted December 15, 2018 > @"XECOR.2814" said: > Great ideas. > Tainted shackels needs 35sec cooldown if its that powerful. Life transfer 25secs and doom 20secs. > > You have to consider cd reduction trait on every shroud skills a bit. > > I agree with darkpath and lifeblast suggestions. > > The problem is it just wont happen ever. These same ideas have been floating here for a long time which makes me believe that Anet has looked at it before and disagreed with it. I did consider a cooldown reduction of up to 33% when I made up the cooldowns. due to powercreep of other classes and the now fast paced meta I think a 10-15s cd on doom is justified if not needed. just like the other proposed changes and cooldowns. the doom cooldown of 20s has been around since release if I remember correctly and it was balanced back then. things evolved but core shroud was sorta left out. remember the goal is to make core shroud usable and not just a sponge that can't do anything like it is now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EremiteAngel.9765 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 > @"DEATHsCLAW.1978" said: > > > @"XECOR.2814" said: > > Great ideas. > > Tainted shackels needs 35sec cooldown if its that powerful. Life transfer 25secs and doom 20secs. > > > > You have to consider cd reduction trait on every shroud skills a bit. > > > > I agree with darkpath and lifeblast suggestions. > > > > The problem is it just wont happen ever. These same ideas have been floating here for a long time which makes me believe that Anet has looked at it before and disagreed with it. > > > I did consider a cooldown reduction of up to 33% when I made up the cooldowns. due to powercreep of other classes and the now fast paced meta I think a 10-15s cd on doom is justified if not needed. just like the other proposed changes and cooldowns. the doom cooldown of 20s has been around since release if I remember correctly and it was balanced back then. things evolved but core shroud was sorta left out. > > remember the goal is to make core shroud usable and not just a sponge that can't do anything like it is now > Or maybe make doom a double ammo charge skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEATHsCLAW.1978 Posted December 15, 2018 Author Share Posted December 15, 2018 > @"EremiteAngel.9765" said: > > @"DEATHsCLAW.1978" said: > > > > > @"XECOR.2814" said: > > > Great ideas. > > > Tainted shackels needs 35sec cooldown if its that powerful. Life transfer 25secs and doom 20secs. > > > > > > You have to consider cd reduction trait on every shroud skills a bit. > > > > > > I agree with darkpath and lifeblast suggestions. > > > > > > The problem is it just wont happen ever. These same ideas have been floating here for a long time which makes me believe that Anet has looked at it before and disagreed with it. > > > > > > I did consider a cooldown reduction of up to 33% when I made up the cooldowns. due to powercreep of other classes and the now fast paced meta I think a 10-15s cd on doom is justified if not needed. just like the other proposed changes and cooldowns. the doom cooldown of 20s has been around since release if I remember correctly and it was balanced back then. things evolved but core shroud was sorta left out. > > > > remember the goal is to make core shroud usable and not just a sponge that can't do anything like it is now > > > > Or maybe make doom a double ammo charge skill. this would be another cool idea although I think this would be OP bc ppl would be chainfeared for 3s just by one skill alone, 6s when traited. terrormancer would have an almost 10k fear burst while just pressing 2 times one button thats too much dont you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EremiteAngel.9765 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 > @"DEATHsCLAW.1978" said: > > @"EremiteAngel.9765" said: > > > @"DEATHsCLAW.1978" said: > > > > > > > @"XECOR.2814" said: > > > > Great ideas. > > > > Tainted shackels needs 35sec cooldown if its that powerful. Life transfer 25secs and doom 20secs. > > > > > > > > You have to consider cd reduction trait on every shroud skills a bit. > > > > > > > > I agree with darkpath and lifeblast suggestions. > > > > > > > > The problem is it just wont happen ever. These same ideas have been floating here for a long time which makes me believe that Anet has looked at it before and disagreed with it. > > > > > > > > > I did consider a cooldown reduction of up to 33% when I made up the cooldowns. due to powercreep of other classes and the now fast paced meta I think a 10-15s cd on doom is justified if not needed. just like the other proposed changes and cooldowns. the doom cooldown of 20s has been around since release if I remember correctly and it was balanced back then. things evolved but core shroud was sorta left out. > > > > > > remember the goal is to make core shroud usable and not just a sponge that can't do anything like it is now > > > > > > > Or maybe make doom a double ammo charge skill. > > this would be another cool idea although I think this would be OP bc ppl would be chainfeared for 3s just by one skill alone, 6s when traited. > > terrormancer would have an almost 10k fear burst while just pressing 2 times one button thats too much dont you think? > > > Idk haha. I don't mind something OP if it comes to that. Fear is arguably the weakest hard CC with stab, condi clear/transfer, stun break, resistance all able to negate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EremiteAngel.9765 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 > @"DEATHsCLAW.1978" said: > > @"EremiteAngel.9765" said: > > > @"DEATHsCLAW.1978" said: > > > > > > > @"XECOR.2814" said: > > > > Great ideas. > > > > Tainted shackels needs 35sec cooldown if its that powerful. Life transfer 25secs and doom 20secs. > > > > > > > > You have to consider cd reduction trait on every shroud skills a bit. > > > > > > > > I agree with darkpath and lifeblast suggestions. > > > > > > > > The problem is it just wont happen ever. These same ideas have been floating here for a long time which makes me believe that Anet has looked at it before and disagreed with it. > > > > > > > > > I did consider a cooldown reduction of up to 33% when I made up the cooldowns. due to powercreep of other classes and the now fast paced meta I think a 10-15s cd on doom is justified if not needed. just like the other proposed changes and cooldowns. the doom cooldown of 20s has been around since release if I remember correctly and it was balanced back then. things evolved but core shroud was sorta left out. > > > > > > remember the goal is to make core shroud usable and not just a sponge that can't do anything like it is now > > > > > > > Or maybe make doom a double ammo charge skill. > > this would be another cool idea although I think this would be OP bc ppl would be chainfeared for 3s just by one skill alone, 6s when traited. > > terrormancer would have an almost 10k fear burst while just pressing 2 times one button thats too much dont you think? > > > Oh and if I'm not wrong, the max fear duration is 2 seconds so the damage won't be so high even if the opponent doesn't negate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEATHsCLAW.1978 Posted December 15, 2018 Author Share Posted December 15, 2018 > @"EremiteAngel.9765" said: > > @"DEATHsCLAW.1978" said: > > > @"EremiteAngel.9765" said: > > > > @"DEATHsCLAW.1978" said: > > > > > > > > > @"XECOR.2814" said: > > > > > Great ideas. > > > > > Tainted shackels needs 35sec cooldown if its that powerful. Life transfer 25secs and doom 20secs. > > > > > > > > > > You have to consider cd reduction trait on every shroud skills a bit. > > > > > > > > > > I agree with darkpath and lifeblast suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > The problem is it just wont happen ever. These same ideas have been floating here for a long time which makes me believe that Anet has looked at it before and disagreed with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > I did consider a cooldown reduction of up to 33% when I made up the cooldowns. due to powercreep of other classes and the now fast paced meta I think a 10-15s cd on doom is justified if not needed. just like the other proposed changes and cooldowns. the doom cooldown of 20s has been around since release if I remember correctly and it was balanced back then. things evolved but core shroud was sorta left out. > > > > > > > > remember the goal is to make core shroud usable and not just a sponge that can't do anything like it is now > > > > > > > > > > Or maybe make doom a double ammo charge skill. > > > > this would be another cool idea although I think this would be OP bc ppl would be chainfeared for 3s just by one skill alone, 6s when traited. > > > > terrormancer would have an almost 10k fear burst while just pressing 2 times one button thats too much dont you think? > > > > > > > > Oh and if I'm not wrong, the max fear duration is 2 seconds so the damage won't be so high even if the opponent doesn't negate it. its 1.5s base duration if in medium to close range, 3s if traited and therefore 6s with two charges thats too much at once I'd say. I agree fear has a lot of counterplay but a 6s fearlock from one ability only is not fun to play against especially if every second is ticking for 1.5k alone if a fearlock is achieved by combo of multiple abilities thats one thing but only by pressing is not well balanced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EremiteAngel.9765 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 > @"DEATHsCLAW.1978" said: > > @"EremiteAngel.9765" said: > > > @"DEATHsCLAW.1978" said: > > > > @"EremiteAngel.9765" said: > > > > > @"DEATHsCLAW.1978" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"XECOR.2814" said: > > > > > > Great ideas. > > > > > > Tainted shackels needs 35sec cooldown if its that powerful. Life transfer 25secs and doom 20secs. > > > > > > > > > > > > You have to consider cd reduction trait on every shroud skills a bit. > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with darkpath and lifeblast suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is it just wont happen ever. These same ideas have been floating here for a long time which makes me believe that Anet has looked at it before and disagreed with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did consider a cooldown reduction of up to 33% when I made up the cooldowns. due to powercreep of other classes and the now fast paced meta I think a 10-15s cd on doom is justified if not needed. just like the other proposed changes and cooldowns. the doom cooldown of 20s has been around since release if I remember correctly and it was balanced back then. things evolved but core shroud was sorta left out. > > > > > > > > > > remember the goal is to make core shroud usable and not just a sponge that can't do anything like it is now > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or maybe make doom a double ammo charge skill. > > > > > > this would be another cool idea although I think this would be OP bc ppl would be chainfeared for 3s just by one skill alone, 6s when traited. > > > > > > terrormancer would have an almost 10k fear burst while just pressing 2 times one button thats too much dont you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh and if I'm not wrong, the max fear duration is 2 seconds so the damage won't be so high even if the opponent doesn't negate it. > > > its 1.5s base duration if in medium to close range, 3s if traited and therefore 6s with two charges thats too much at once I'd say. > > I agree fear has a lot of counterplay but a 6s fearlock from one ability only is not fun to play against especially if every second is ticking for 1.5k alone > > if a fearlock is achieved by combo of multiple abilities thats one thing but only by pressing is not well balanced > oh wow i didnt know that after playing necro for 5 years hahaha. Thanks for the info! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEATHsCLAW.1978 Posted December 15, 2018 Author Share Posted December 15, 2018 > @"EremiteAngel.9765" said: > > @"DEATHsCLAW.1978" said: > > > @"EremiteAngel.9765" said: > > > > @"DEATHsCLAW.1978" said: > > > > > @"EremiteAngel.9765" said: > > > > > > @"DEATHsCLAW.1978" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"XECOR.2814" said: > > > > > > > Great ideas. > > > > > > > Tainted shackels needs 35sec cooldown if its that powerful. Life transfer 25secs and doom 20secs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have to consider cd reduction trait on every shroud skills a bit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with darkpath and lifeblast suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is it just wont happen ever. These same ideas have been floating here for a long time which makes me believe that Anet has looked at it before and disagreed with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did consider a cooldown reduction of up to 33% when I made up the cooldowns. due to powercreep of other classes and the now fast paced meta I think a 10-15s cd on doom is justified if not needed. just like the other proposed changes and cooldowns. the doom cooldown of 20s has been around since release if I remember correctly and it was balanced back then. things evolved but core shroud was sorta left out. > > > > > > > > > > > > remember the goal is to make core shroud usable and not just a sponge that can't do anything like it is now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or maybe make doom a double ammo charge skill. > > > > > > > > this would be another cool idea although I think this would be OP bc ppl would be chainfeared for 3s just by one skill alone, 6s when traited. > > > > > > > > terrormancer would have an almost 10k fear burst while just pressing 2 times one button thats too much dont you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh and if I'm not wrong, the max fear duration is 2 seconds so the damage won't be so high even if the opponent doesn't negate it. > > > > > > its 1.5s base duration if in medium to close range, 3s if traited and therefore 6s with two charges thats too much at once I'd say. > > > > I agree fear has a lot of counterplay but a 6s fearlock from one ability only is not fun to play against especially if every second is ticking for 1.5k alone > > > > if a fearlock is achieved by combo of multiple abilities thats one thing but only by pressing is not well balanced > > > > oh wow i didnt know that after playing necro for 5 years hahaha. > Thanks for the info! u welcome! I was playing terrormancer before anet guttet it by moving the traits poorly for the new 30/30/30 trait system patch. the increased doom duration close range was key in fights ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lahmia.2193 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 > @"DEATHsCLAW.1978" said: > > @"EremiteAngel.9765" said: > > > @"DEATHsCLAW.1978" said: > > > > @"EremiteAngel.9765" said: > > > > > @"DEATHsCLAW.1978" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"XECOR.2814" said: > > > > > > Great ideas. > > > > > > Tainted shackels needs 35sec cooldown if its that powerful. Life transfer 25secs and doom 20secs. > > > > > > > > > > > > You have to consider cd reduction trait on every shroud skills a bit. > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with darkpath and lifeblast suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is it just wont happen ever. These same ideas have been floating here for a long time which makes me believe that Anet has looked at it before and disagreed with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did consider a cooldown reduction of up to 33% when I made up the cooldowns. due to powercreep of other classes and the now fast paced meta I think a 10-15s cd on doom is justified if not needed. just like the other proposed changes and cooldowns. the doom cooldown of 20s has been around since release if I remember correctly and it was balanced back then. things evolved but core shroud was sorta left out. > > > > > > > > > > remember the goal is to make core shroud usable and not just a sponge that can't do anything like it is now > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or maybe make doom a double ammo charge skill. > > > > > > this would be another cool idea although I think this would be OP bc ppl would be chainfeared for 3s just by one skill alone, 6s when traited. > > > > > > terrormancer would have an almost 10k fear burst while just pressing 2 times one button thats too much dont you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh and if I'm not wrong, the max fear duration is 2 seconds so the damage won't be so high even if the opponent doesn't negate it. > > > its 1.5s base duration if in medium to close range, 3s if traited and therefore 6s with two charges thats too much at once I'd say. > > I agree fear has a lot of counterplay but a 6s fearlock from one ability only is not fun to play against especially if every second is ticking for 1.5k alone > > if a fearlock is achieved by combo of multiple abilities thats one thing but only by pressing is not well balanced > Just given it 2 ammo on a 5s cooldown with 15s ammo cooldown. Therefore no fearlocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwDefuser.2056 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Currently Core Necro is actually playable in plat although it lags stability. I wonder if its possible to play something like a bunker build with the current changes on spectral wall and walk combined with lifeforce gain on fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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