Talindra.4958 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 > @"TexZero.7910" said: > > @"Clyan.1593" said: > > PS: Examples: VG without any chrono at all, tanking without getting onto the correct platform, assigning wrong people to take greens. Or SAB without explaining to the group where to stack in order to trigger the firewall in the correct spot. And so on... > > You're complaining about training raids.... > > Come on man. Not every training raid is gonna have the ideal comp. Let alone having Chrono's on demand for your version of a good comp. People can tank with literally anything and the timers are so generous on that fight that the ideal comp isn't remotely required especially for learning/training. > > I misunderstood when I first read his post too. He did not join an organised guild raid training group. He joined the random pug and received what we called typical treatment from lfg commander. He is now looking for training guild to join if you have a good suggestion for him. I think he was brave.. so much more braver than many ppl here who just cry they couldn't get any kill. He tried for 1.5week pugs and got all bosses killed except two. And guess what.. I don't think he fake link too :p I'm not so up to date with current active training guilds if anyone else can recommend him would be nice. I think snowcrow sites for training guild recruitment is a little outdated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexZero.7910 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 > @"Talindra.4958" said: > > @"TexZero.7910" said: > > > @"Clyan.1593" said: > > > PS: Examples: VG without any chrono at all, tanking without getting onto the correct platform, assigning wrong people to take greens. Or SAB without explaining to the group where to stack in order to trigger the firewall in the correct spot. And so on... > > > > You're complaining about training raids.... > > > > Come on man. Not every training raid is gonna have the ideal comp. Let alone having Chrono's on demand for your version of a good comp. People can tank with literally anything and the timers are so generous on that fight that the ideal comp isn't remotely required especially for learning/training. > > > > > > I misunderstood when I first read his post too. He did not join an organised guild raid training group. He joined the random pug and received what we called typical treatment from lfg commander. He is now looking for training guild to join if you have a good suggestion for him. I think he was brave.. so much more braver than many ppl here who just cry they couldn't get any kill. He tried for 1.5week pugs and got all bosses killed except two. And guess what.. I don't think he fake link too :p > I'm not so up to date with current active training guilds if anyone else can recommend him would be nice. I think snowcrow sites for training guild recruitment is a little outdated. No, i don't have a clue as to the current state of what guilds still do training runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyan.1593 Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 > @"Talindra.4958" said: > > @"TexZero.7910" said: > > > @"Clyan.1593" said: > > > PS: Examples: VG without any chrono at all, tanking without getting onto the correct platform, assigning wrong people to take greens. Or SAB without explaining to the group where to stack in order to trigger the firewall in the correct spot. And so on... > > > > You're complaining about training raids.... > > > > Come on man. Not every training raid is gonna have the ideal comp. Let alone having Chrono's on demand for your version of a good comp. People can tank with literally anything and the timers are so generous on that fight that the ideal comp isn't remotely required especially for learning/training. > > > > > > I misunderstood when I first read his post too. He did not join an organised guild raid training group. He joined the random pug and received what we called typical treatment from lfg commander. He is now looking for training guild to join if you have a good suggestion for him. I think he was brave.. so much more braver than many ppl here who just cry they couldn't get any kill. He tried for 1.5week pugs and got all bosses killed except two. And guess what.. I don't think he fake link too :p > I'm not so up to date with current active training guilds if anyone else can recommend him would be nice. I think snowcrow sites for training guild recruitment is a little outdated. I'm very stubborn, so I invest a lot of time into something when I decided to do it. In this case I won't give up just because some training pugs are terrible, and this is probably the reason why in only 1.5 weeks I have already managed to kill most bosses. It takes quite a lot of work to make me give up and I will usually stick to a single pug until its midnight, because at that point I HAVE to go to bed in order to not being late at work the next day. However I appreciate your feedback and will look for a training guild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyninja.2954 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 > @"Clyan.1593" said: > > @"Talindra.4958" said: > > > @"TexZero.7910" said: > > > > @"Clyan.1593" said: > > > > PS: Examples: VG without any chrono at all, tanking without getting onto the correct platform, assigning wrong people to take greens. Or SAB without explaining to the group where to stack in order to trigger the firewall in the correct spot. And so on... > > > > > > You're complaining about training raids.... > > > > > > Come on man. Not every training raid is gonna have the ideal comp. Let alone having Chrono's on demand for your version of a good comp. People can tank with literally anything and the timers are so generous on that fight that the ideal comp isn't remotely required especially for learning/training. > > > > > > > > > > I misunderstood when I first read his post too. He did not join an organised guild raid training group. He joined the random pug and received what we called typical treatment from lfg commander. He is now looking for training guild to join if you have a good suggestion for him. I think he was brave.. so much more braver than many ppl here who just cry they couldn't get any kill. He tried for 1.5week pugs and got all bosses killed except two. And guess what.. I don't think he fake link too :p > > I'm not so up to date with current active training guilds if anyone else can recommend him would be nice. I think snowcrow sites for training guild recruitment is a little outdated. > > I'm very stubborn, so I invest a lot of time into something when I decided to do it. In this case I won't give up just because some training pugs are terrible, and this is probably the reason why in only 1.5 weeks I have already managed to kill most bosses. It takes quite a lot of work to make me give up and I will usually stick to a single pug until its midnight, because at that point I HAVE to go to bed in order to not being late at work the next day. > > However I appreciate your feedback and will look for a training guild. Yeah, you definitely want to get into a training guild. Most have semi full squads too meaning they might incorporate you into a squad of theirs. Just be sure to know your own weaknesses. We all know how and who we are (say if you should be short tempered). Make sure to get along with people and you'll enhance your gaming experience ten fold. I have deep respect for people who mud through complete PUG training runs (as in their tenacity, personally I would have joined a raid guild and their training asap). That's basically the worst way to get into raiding (and a huge reason why there is such a disconnect between experienced raiders and solo players). Having at least a few people to regularly train and play with is a total game changer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belorn.2659 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 First I would like to say to just keep at it and soon enough you end up with a regular team. When you first learn raiding and join different training groups with new players each time, some will be good and some will be bad. Raiding get much better when that variance is removed by playing with the same group each week (which normally results in a growing friendslist). > @"Clyan.1593" said: > Most encounters I've had so far (VG, gorse, sab, sloth, trio, mat, escort, KC, cairn, mursaat and samarog) went very good and I killed all of them at least once. Sounds like that the training groups picked the right bosses since except for mat, those are the best bosses to bring new player into raiding. Just remember that there is a rather steep difficult spike for other bosses. That you cleared mat is a good sign for the future. > PS: Examples: VG without any chrono at all, tanking without getting onto the correct platform, assigning wrong people to take greens. Or SAB without explaining to the group where to stack in order to trigger the firewall in the correct spot. And so on... Since you are a new player, I would be wrong to not point out that out that half of those are correct and half is not. Chrono is basically a requirement in current meta, but one reason for veteran raid players to help with training raids is to use the time for experimenting, so it could be that a experienced chrono player is testing an other class to do the same role as a chrono. It could also naturally be a bad commander, but don't be surprised if you see unconventional builds by veterans in training raids. Triggering the wall on sab in the "correct spot" is sound strategy, but don't be too surprised if the commander do not care much and simply expect the cannoneers to take the full responsibility of making judgement calls when to throw the bomb (after or before the wall). It is a training raid after all and the main goal might not be to beat the boss. Most through just want standard gw2 strategy and have the group stack on tag, which they might not say explicitly as it just assumed that everyone knows this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyninja.2954 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 > @"Belorn.2659" said: > Triggering the wall on sab in the "correct spot" is sound strategy, but don't be too surprised if the commander do not care much and simply expect the cannoneers to take the full responsibility of making judgement calls when to throw the bomb (after or before the wall). It is a training raid after all and the main goal might not be to beat the boss. Most through just want standard gw2 strategy and have the group stack on tag, which they might not say explicitly as it just assumed that everyone knows this. If only half the 500+ LI squads actually managed to trigger the Sabetha wall in the correct spot, that fight would be much less a clown fiesta it sometimes devolves to. I've stopped playing chrono and am running mostly dps in PUG raids simply due to most dps players being un-able or un-willing to perform basic dps role requirements (cannons, shrooms, correct positioning, etc.)... :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanAlcedo.3281 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 I joined countless training runs and i only have seen it twice that the commander lost his chill. Both times was because of a player that simply didn’t understand that his build was not usefull in any way. Example: Healpower thoughness scourge with full minions as dps. And: Condi scourge with condi thoughness gear that did not understand that over 3k thoughness is not a good idea for tanking reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zunki.3916 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 There are such people and there will always be. You can't influence this in any way. When a person has no experience and they come to the forums to complain about not being accepted in experienced groups the answer often is: Do your own raid with your own rules. And so they buy the com tag, start a training raid and do their own rules and fail miserably. A training raid doesent always mean the com knows anything and trains you, it might also mean that the com needs training too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eramonster.2718 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Kinda a long shot but try asking the groups(semi PuG) you ran with if they Raid regularly. Able to play with them previously means you're able to fit into the time zone. Save time for the group if they're PuG'ing regularly by having a fix member. Better for progression too. Else, try raiding platforms like RiT (for NA) https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/17306/raiders-in-training-na-new-discord-community-now-open-to-the-public Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talindra.4958 Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 > @"Clyan.1593" said: > > @"Talindra.4958" said: > > > @"TexZero.7910" said: > > > > @"Clyan.1593" said: > > > > PS: Examples: VG without any chrono at all, tanking without getting onto the correct platform, assigning wrong people to take greens. Or SAB without explaining to the group where to stack in order to trigger the firewall in the correct spot. And so on... > > > > > > You're complaining about training raids.... > > > > > > Come on man. Not every training raid is gonna have the ideal comp. Let alone having Chrono's on demand for your version of a good comp. People can tank with literally anything and the timers are so generous on that fight that the ideal comp isn't remotely required especially for learning/training. > > > > > > > > > > I misunderstood when I first read his post too. He did not join an organised guild raid training group. He joined the random pug and received what we called typical treatment from lfg commander. He is now looking for training guild to join if you have a good suggestion for him. I think he was brave.. so much more braver than many ppl here who just cry they couldn't get any kill. He tried for 1.5week pugs and got all bosses killed except two. And guess what.. I don't think he fake link too :p > > I'm not so up to date with current active training guilds if anyone else can recommend him would be nice. I think snowcrow sites for training guild recruitment is a little outdated. > > I'm very stubborn, so I invest a lot of time into something when I decided to do it. In this case I won't give up just because some training pugs are terrible, and this is probably the reason why in only 1.5 weeks I have already managed to kill most bosses. It takes quite a lot of work to make me give up and I will usually stick to a single pug until its midnight, because at that point I HAVE to go to bed in order to not being late at work the next day. > > However I appreciate your feedback and will look for a training guild. Yeah.. I have a few in game friends with strong attitude like you.. they eventually do more raids than many ppl .. I mean doing full clear a few times a week with the same account... and become more experience than ppl that has ten times their li. Training guild is good but as I have been pugging almost all my raid life, I find I get raid full clear done quicker with pug.. ? you might later find that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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