Haishao.6851 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > @Haishao.6851 said: > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > @Haishao.6851 said: > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > @deltaconnected.4058 said: > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > @deltaconnected.4058 said: > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Omar Aschi Popp.7496" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > You antimeters sure love to report my posts instead of rebuke me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am an ultra casual(8 hrs a week max) Full stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > I play dungeons in TIER1 culture armor(lv39). Full Stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > I run in pug TIER4 fractals with 90ar. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > I run in RAIDS with EXOTIC mismatched stats. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I HAVE NEVER *HAD* TO BE KICKED FROM A GROUP WITH DPS METER. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Literally everything 100% in this thread is EXCUSES. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone who says otherwise is not telling the whole truth about WHY they were kicked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont use or aproove of dps meter. But I am totally with the pro-dps crowd on this one. Your logic is just pure fallacy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creator of ARCDPS is willing to retaliate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am wrong, can you please provide exactly where Anet says we are subjected to player requirements or restricted to Meta builds? > > > > > > > > > > > Where in their advertisement or marketing did they promote this? GW2, HOT, & POF? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show us where Anet says players have to group up and accept everyone, and not play with who they want and setup groups how they want. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are playing the game as intended choosing to participant in any content with whom we want when we want out of the box, this is pretty obvious. > > > > > > > > > What didn't come with the box is requirments or restricted builds for players to be retaliated against. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > @deltaconnected.4058 said: > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Omar Aschi Popp.7496" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You antimeters sure love to report my posts instead of rebuke me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am an ultra casual(8 hrs a week max) Full stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I play dungeons in TIER1 culture armor(lv39). Full Stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I run in pug TIER4 fractals with 90ar. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I run in RAIDS with EXOTIC mismatched stats. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I HAVE NEVER *HAD* TO BE KICKED FROM A GROUP WITH DPS METER. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Literally everything 100% in this thread is EXCUSES. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone who says otherwise is not telling the whole truth about WHY they were kicked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont use or aproove of dps meter. But I am totally with the pro-dps crowd on this one. Your logic is just pure fallacy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creator of ARCDPS is willing to retaliate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am wrong, can you please provide exactly where Anet says we are subjected to player requirements or restricted to Meta builds? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where in their advertisement or marketing did they promote this? GW2, HOT, & POF? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show us where Anet says players have to group up and accept everyone, and not play with who they want and setup groups how they want. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are playing the game as intended choosing to participant in any content with **whom we want when we want out** of the box, this is pretty obvious. > > > > > > > > > > > What didn't come with the box is requirments or restricted builds for players to be retaliated against. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We don't care how you think the game should be played, or how you think it is intended to be played. Show us where ANet says it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not how I think, it's how it was sold. There is a huge difference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You say you are choosing to participate in content with who you want, but we are not allowed to do the same. You say it is pretty obvious and ask us to show where ANet says otherwise, yet we are not allowed to ask the same. So, for the last time, show me where ANet says that I can't pick who I want in my group. > > > > > > > I said WE, not me. I did not exclude you or any other player. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, the box did NOT come with requirements or restricted builds for players. > > > > > > > > > > > > And unless the box came with a requirement for us to let yous into our groups, which I would quite like you to show me where, I will proceed to use what the box DID come up. A kick button. > > > > > > > > > > I'm not at all objecting for you to use the Kick Button. I'm objecting to the requirements & limited build players are allowed to use that did not come with the box. > > > > > > > > You're not limited to any builds. > > > > > > > @deltaconnected.4058 said: > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > @deltaconnected.4058 said: > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > @deltaconnected.4058 said: > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Omar Aschi Popp.7496" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > You antimeters sure love to report my posts instead of rebuke me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am an ultra casual(8 hrs a week max) Full stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > I play dungeons in TIER1 culture armor(lv39). Full Stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > I run in pug TIER4 fractals with 90ar. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > I run in RAIDS with EXOTIC mismatched stats. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I HAVE NEVER *HAD* TO BE KICKED FROM A GROUP WITH DPS METER. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Literally everything 100% in this thread is EXCUSES. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone who says otherwise is not telling the whole truth about WHY they were kicked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont use or aproove of dps meter. But I am totally with the pro-dps crowd on this one. Your logic is just pure fallacy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creator of ARCDPS is willing to retaliate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am wrong, can you please provide exactly where Anet says we are subjected to player requirements or restricted to Meta builds? > > > > > > > > > > > Where in their advertisement or marketing did they promote this? GW2, HOT, & POF? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show us where Anet says players have to group up and accept everyone, and not play with who they want and setup groups how they want. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are playing the game as intended choosing to participant in any content with whom we want when we want out of the box, this is pretty obvious. > > > > > > > > > What didn't come with the box is requirments or restricted builds for players to be retaliated against. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > @deltaconnected.4058 said: > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Omar Aschi Popp.7496" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You antimeters sure love to report my posts instead of rebuke me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am an ultra casual(8 hrs a week max) Full stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I play dungeons in TIER1 culture armor(lv39). Full Stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I run in pug TIER4 fractals with 90ar. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I run in RAIDS with EXOTIC mismatched stats. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I HAVE NEVER *HAD* TO BE KICKED FROM A GROUP WITH DPS METER. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Literally everything 100% in this thread is EXCUSES. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone who says otherwise is not telling the whole truth about WHY they were kicked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont use or aproove of dps meter. But I am totally with the pro-dps crowd on this one. Your logic is just pure fallacy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creator of ARCDPS is willing to retaliate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am wrong, can you please provide exactly where Anet says we are subjected to player requirements or restricted to Meta builds? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where in their advertisement or marketing did they promote this? GW2, HOT, & POF? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show us where Anet says players have to group up and accept everyone, and not play with who they want and setup groups how they want. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are playing the game as intended choosing to participant in any content with **whom we want when we want out** of the box, this is pretty obvious. > > > > > > > > > > > What didn't come with the box is requirments or restricted builds for players to be retaliated against. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We don't care how you think the game should be played, or how you think it is intended to be played. Show us where ANet says it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not how I think, it's how it was sold. There is a huge difference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You say you are choosing to participate in content with who you want, but we are not allowed to do the same. You say it is pretty obvious and ask us to show where ANet says otherwise, yet we are not allowed to ask the same. So, for the last time, show me where ANet says that I can't pick who I want in my group. > > > > > > > I said WE, not me. I did not exclude you or any other player. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, the box did NOT come with requirements or restricted builds for players. > > > > > > > > > > > > And unless the box came with a requirement for us to let yous into our groups, which I would quite like you to show me where, I will proceed to use what the box DID come up. A kick button. > > > > > > > > > > I'm not at all objecting for you to use the Kick Button. I'm objecting to the requirements & limited build players are allowed to use that did not come with the box. > > > > > > > > We are not preventing you from using any build you want. We are kicking you for using any build you want if we ask for something different. > > > > > > Actually you are. Please reference the comment about "kicking you," which is punishing players for play the game as intended. Requiring and restricting players to Builds that did not come with the box. > > > > We are playing the game as intended choosing to participant in any content with whom we want when we want out of the box, this is pretty obvious. > > Very good. However, ArcDPS and Forced META didn't come with the box. Neither were fractals or raids. Also, there are no forced meta build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STIHL.2489 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Ok, what I don't get is that some dude makes a DPS meter on their spare time, for free, and Anet can't make a pretty one that activates upon entering a raid, or T4 fractal and just bypass the whole 3rd party thing altogether.. maybe next raid release it can come with a gear-score marker for anyone that enters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhanoa.3960 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > @Haishao.6851 said: > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > @deltaconnected.4058 said: > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > @deltaconnected.4058 said: > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Omar Aschi Popp.7496" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > You antimeters sure love to report my posts instead of rebuke me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am an ultra casual(8 hrs a week max) Full stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I play dungeons in TIER1 culture armor(lv39). Full Stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I run in pug TIER4 fractals with 90ar. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I run in RAIDS with EXOTIC mismatched stats. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I HAVE NEVER *HAD* TO BE KICKED FROM A GROUP WITH DPS METER. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Literally everything 100% in this thread is EXCUSES. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone who says otherwise is not telling the whole truth about WHY they were kicked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont use or aproove of dps meter. But I am totally with the pro-dps crowd on this one. Your logic is just pure fallacy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creator of ARCDPS is willing to retaliate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am wrong, can you please provide exactly where Anet says we are subjected to player requirements or restricted to Meta builds? > > > > > > > > > > > > Where in their advertisement or marketing did they promote this? GW2, HOT, & POF? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show us where Anet says players have to group up and accept everyone, and not play with who they want and setup groups how they want. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are playing the game as intended choosing to participant in any content with whom we want when we want out of the box, this is pretty obvious. > > > > > > > > > > What didn't come with the box is requirments or restricted builds for players to be retaliated against. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > @deltaconnected.4058 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Omar Aschi Popp.7496" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You antimeters sure love to report my posts instead of rebuke me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am an ultra casual(8 hrs a week max) Full stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I play dungeons in TIER1 culture armor(lv39). Full Stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I run in pug TIER4 fractals with 90ar. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I run in RAIDS with EXOTIC mismatched stats. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I HAVE NEVER *HAD* TO BE KICKED FROM A GROUP WITH DPS METER. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Literally everything 100% in this thread is EXCUSES. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone who says otherwise is not telling the whole truth about WHY they were kicked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont use or aproove of dps meter. But I am totally with the pro-dps crowd on this one. Your logic is just pure fallacy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creator of ARCDPS is willing to retaliate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am wrong, can you please provide exactly where Anet says we are subjected to player requirements or restricted to Meta builds? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where in their advertisement or marketing did they promote this? GW2, HOT, & POF? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show us where Anet says players have to group up and accept everyone, and not play with who they want and setup groups how they want. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are playing the game as intended choosing to participant in any content with **whom we want when we want out** of the box, this is pretty obvious. > > > > > > > > > > > > What didn't come with the box is requirments or restricted builds for players to be retaliated against. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We don't care how you think the game should be played, or how you think it is intended to be played. Show us where ANet says it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not how I think, it's how it was sold. There is a huge difference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You say you are choosing to participate in content with who you want, but we are not allowed to do the same. You say it is pretty obvious and ask us to show where ANet says otherwise, yet we are not allowed to ask the same. So, for the last time, show me where ANet says that I can't pick who I want in my group. > > > > > > > > I said WE, not me. I did not exclude you or any other player. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, the box did NOT come with requirements or restricted builds for players. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And unless the box came with a requirement for us to let yous into our groups, which I would quite like you to show me where, I will proceed to use what the box DID come up. A kick button. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not at all objecting for you to use the Kick Button. I'm objecting to the requirements & limited build players are allowed to use that did not come with the box. > > > > > > > > > > You're not limited to any builds. > > > > > > > > > @deltaconnected.4058 said: > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > @deltaconnected.4058 said: > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > @deltaconnected.4058 said: > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Omar Aschi Popp.7496" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > You antimeters sure love to report my posts instead of rebuke me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am an ultra casual(8 hrs a week max) Full stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I play dungeons in TIER1 culture armor(lv39). Full Stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I run in pug TIER4 fractals with 90ar. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I run in RAIDS with EXOTIC mismatched stats. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I HAVE NEVER *HAD* TO BE KICKED FROM A GROUP WITH DPS METER. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Literally everything 100% in this thread is EXCUSES. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone who says otherwise is not telling the whole truth about WHY they were kicked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont use or aproove of dps meter. But I am totally with the pro-dps crowd on this one. Your logic is just pure fallacy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creator of ARCDPS is willing to retaliate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am wrong, can you please provide exactly where Anet says we are subjected to player requirements or restricted to Meta builds? > > > > > > > > > > > > Where in their advertisement or marketing did they promote this? GW2, HOT, & POF? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show us where Anet says players have to group up and accept everyone, and not play with who they want and setup groups how they want. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are playing the game as intended choosing to participant in any content with whom we want when we want out of the box, this is pretty obvious. > > > > > > > > > > What didn't come with the box is requirments or restricted builds for players to be retaliated against. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > @deltaconnected.4058 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Omar Aschi Popp.7496" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You antimeters sure love to report my posts instead of rebuke me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am an ultra casual(8 hrs a week max) Full stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I play dungeons in TIER1 culture armor(lv39). Full Stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I run in pug TIER4 fractals with 90ar. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I run in RAIDS with EXOTIC mismatched stats. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I HAVE NEVER *HAD* TO BE KICKED FROM A GROUP WITH DPS METER. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Literally everything 100% in this thread is EXCUSES. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone who says otherwise is not telling the whole truth about WHY they were kicked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont use or aproove of dps meter. But I am totally with the pro-dps crowd on this one. Your logic is just pure fallacy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creator of ARCDPS is willing to retaliate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am wrong, can you please provide exactly where Anet says we are subjected to player requirements or restricted to Meta builds? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where in their advertisement or marketing did they promote this? GW2, HOT, & POF? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show us where Anet says players have to group up and accept everyone, and not play with who they want and setup groups how they want. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are playing the game as intended choosing to participant in any content with **whom we want when we want out** of the box, this is pretty obvious. > > > > > > > > > > > > What didn't come with the box is requirments or restricted builds for players to be retaliated against. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We don't care how you think the game should be played, or how you think it is intended to be played. Show us where ANet says it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not how I think, it's how it was sold. There is a huge difference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You say you are choosing to participate in content with who you want, but we are not allowed to do the same. You say it is pretty obvious and ask us to show where ANet says otherwise, yet we are not allowed to ask the same. So, for the last time, show me where ANet says that I can't pick who I want in my group. > > > > > > > > I said WE, not me. I did not exclude you or any other player. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, the box did NOT come with requirements or restricted builds for players. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And unless the box came with a requirement for us to let yous into our groups, which I would quite like you to show me where, I will proceed to use what the box DID come up. A kick button. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not at all objecting for you to use the Kick Button. I'm objecting to the requirements & limited build players are allowed to use that did not come with the box. > > > > > > > > > > We are not preventing you from using any build you want. We are kicking you for using any build you want if we ask for something different. > > > > > > > > Actually you are. Please reference the comment about "kicking you," which is punishing players for play the game as intended. Requiring and restricting players to Builds that did not come with the box. > > > > > > The game intends for time to play with whoever I want by allowing me the option to post specific LFG/LFM Requirements and the Kick option as well as the Block options. > > > > > > Sorry but playing the game as intended which allows me to restrict who plays with me, which you have made clear you say is not how the game is intended and that you say players shouldn’t be able to do this even though the game intends for me to do so by giving me those options. > > > > ArcDPS and Forced Meta builds are not out of the box. These are player created. > > > > Actually since games shipped with Professions/builds/optimal choices yeah Meta builds did ship with the box since they are all 100% part of the game. And no one is forcing you to play Meta. > > And Anet stated that ARCdps is allowed to be used in conjunction with their game, so it’s allowed to be their and no one is forcing you to Use or be subject to ARCdps. > > Any other arguments to be dismantled? Far from it. ANET did not benchmark or create the restrictions or requirements. Again the players did, subjecting players to only run META builds in order to participate in certain content. The players creating this environment are penalizing other players. I already covered this and has been record in my history of comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqueFyre.5678 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > @Haishao.6851 said: > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > @deltaconnected.4058 said: > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > @deltaconnected.4058 said: > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Omar Aschi Popp.7496" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You antimeters sure love to report my posts instead of rebuke me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am an ultra casual(8 hrs a week max) Full stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I play dungeons in TIER1 culture armor(lv39). Full Stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I run in pug TIER4 fractals with 90ar. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I run in RAIDS with EXOTIC mismatched stats. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I HAVE NEVER *HAD* TO BE KICKED FROM A GROUP WITH DPS METER. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Literally everything 100% in this thread is EXCUSES. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone who says otherwise is not telling the whole truth about WHY they were kicked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont use or aproove of dps meter. But I am totally with the pro-dps crowd on this one. Your logic is just pure fallacy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creator of ARCDPS is willing to retaliate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am wrong, can you please provide exactly where Anet says we are subjected to player requirements or restricted to Meta builds? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where in their advertisement or marketing did they promote this? GW2, HOT, & POF? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show us where Anet says players have to group up and accept everyone, and not play with who they want and setup groups how they want. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are playing the game as intended choosing to participant in any content with whom we want when we want out of the box, this is pretty obvious. > > > > > > > > > > > What didn't come with the box is requirments or restricted builds for players to be retaliated against. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @deltaconnected.4058 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Omar Aschi Popp.7496" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You antimeters sure love to report my posts instead of rebuke me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am an ultra casual(8 hrs a week max) Full stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I play dungeons in TIER1 culture armor(lv39). Full Stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I run in pug TIER4 fractals with 90ar. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I run in RAIDS with EXOTIC mismatched stats. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I HAVE NEVER *HAD* TO BE KICKED FROM A GROUP WITH DPS METER. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Literally everything 100% in this thread is EXCUSES. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone who says otherwise is not telling the whole truth about WHY they were kicked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont use or aproove of dps meter. But I am totally with the pro-dps crowd on this one. Your logic is just pure fallacy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creator of ARCDPS is willing to retaliate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am wrong, can you please provide exactly where Anet says we are subjected to player requirements or restricted to Meta builds? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where in their advertisement or marketing did they promote this? GW2, HOT, & POF? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show us where Anet says players have to group up and accept everyone, and not play with who they want and setup groups how they want. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are playing the game as intended choosing to participant in any content with **whom we want when we want out** of the box, this is pretty obvious. > > > > > > > > > > > > > What didn't come with the box is requirments or restricted builds for players to be retaliated against. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We don't care how you think the game should be played, or how you think it is intended to be played. Show us where ANet says it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not how I think, it's how it was sold. There is a huge difference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You say you are choosing to participate in content with who you want, but we are not allowed to do the same. You say it is pretty obvious and ask us to show where ANet says otherwise, yet we are not allowed to ask the same. So, for the last time, show me where ANet says that I can't pick who I want in my group. > > > > > > > > > I said WE, not me. I did not exclude you or any other player. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, the box did NOT come with requirements or restricted builds for players. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And unless the box came with a requirement for us to let yous into our groups, which I would quite like you to show me where, I will proceed to use what the box DID come up. A kick button. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not at all objecting for you to use the Kick Button. I'm objecting to the requirements & limited build players are allowed to use that did not come with the box. > > > > > > > > > > > > You're not limited to any builds. > > > > > > > > > > > @deltaconnected.4058 said: > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > @deltaconnected.4058 said: > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > @deltaconnected.4058 said: > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Omar Aschi Popp.7496" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You antimeters sure love to report my posts instead of rebuke me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am an ultra casual(8 hrs a week max) Full stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I play dungeons in TIER1 culture armor(lv39). Full Stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I run in pug TIER4 fractals with 90ar. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I run in RAIDS with EXOTIC mismatched stats. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I HAVE NEVER *HAD* TO BE KICKED FROM A GROUP WITH DPS METER. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Literally everything 100% in this thread is EXCUSES. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone who says otherwise is not telling the whole truth about WHY they were kicked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont use or aproove of dps meter. But I am totally with the pro-dps crowd on this one. Your logic is just pure fallacy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creator of ARCDPS is willing to retaliate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am wrong, can you please provide exactly where Anet says we are subjected to player requirements or restricted to Meta builds? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where in their advertisement or marketing did they promote this? GW2, HOT, & POF? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show us where Anet says players have to group up and accept everyone, and not play with who they want and setup groups how they want. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are playing the game as intended choosing to participant in any content with whom we want when we want out of the box, this is pretty obvious. > > > > > > > > > > > What didn't come with the box is requirments or restricted builds for players to be retaliated against. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @deltaconnected.4058 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Omar Aschi Popp.7496" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You antimeters sure love to report my posts instead of rebuke me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am an ultra casual(8 hrs a week max) Full stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I play dungeons in TIER1 culture armor(lv39). Full Stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I run in pug TIER4 fractals with 90ar. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I run in RAIDS with EXOTIC mismatched stats. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I HAVE NEVER *HAD* TO BE KICKED FROM A GROUP WITH DPS METER. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Literally everything 100% in this thread is EXCUSES. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone who says otherwise is not telling the whole truth about WHY they were kicked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont use or aproove of dps meter. But I am totally with the pro-dps crowd on this one. Your logic is just pure fallacy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creator of ARCDPS is willing to retaliate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am wrong, can you please provide exactly where Anet says we are subjected to player requirements or restricted to Meta builds? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where in their advertisement or marketing did they promote this? GW2, HOT, & POF? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show us where Anet says players have to group up and accept everyone, and not play with who they want and setup groups how they want. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are playing the game as intended choosing to participant in any content with **whom we want when we want out** of the box, this is pretty obvious. > > > > > > > > > > > > > What didn't come with the box is requirments or restricted builds for players to be retaliated against. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We don't care how you think the game should be played, or how you think it is intended to be played. Show us where ANet says it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not how I think, it's how it was sold. There is a huge difference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You say you are choosing to participate in content with who you want, but we are not allowed to do the same. You say it is pretty obvious and ask us to show where ANet says otherwise, yet we are not allowed to ask the same. So, for the last time, show me where ANet says that I can't pick who I want in my group. > > > > > > > > > I said WE, not me. I did not exclude you or any other player. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, the box did NOT come with requirements or restricted builds for players. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And unless the box came with a requirement for us to let yous into our groups, which I would quite like you to show me where, I will proceed to use what the box DID come up. A kick button. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not at all objecting for you to use the Kick Button. I'm objecting to the requirements & limited build players are allowed to use that did not come with the box. > > > > > > > > > > > > We are not preventing you from using any build you want. We are kicking you for using any build you want if we ask for something different. > > > > > > > > > > Actually you are. Please reference the comment about "kicking you," which is punishing players for play the game as intended. Requiring and restricting players to Builds that did not come with the box. > > > > > > > > The game intends for time to play with whoever I want by allowing me the option to post specific LFG/LFM Requirements and the Kick option as well as the Block options. > > > > > > > > Sorry but playing the game as intended which allows me to restrict who plays with me, which you have made clear you say is not how the game is intended and that you say players shouldn’t be able to do this even though the game intends for me to do so by giving me those options. > > > > > > ArcDPS and Forced Meta builds are not out of the box. These are player created. > > > > > > > Actually since games shipped with Professions/builds/optimal choices yeah Meta builds did ship with the box since they are all 100% part of the game. And no one is forcing you to play Meta. > > > > And Anet stated that ARCdps is allowed to be used in conjunction with their game, so it’s allowed to be their and no one is forcing you to Use or be subject to ARCdps. > > > > Any other arguments to be dismantled? > > Far from it. ANET did not benchmark or create the restrictions or requirements. Again the players did, subjecting players to only run META builds in order to participate in certain content. The players creating this environment are penalizing other players. > > I already covered this and has been record in my history of comments. Anet created all professions, skills, traits, Gear etc so all those shipped with the game, and one last time all content can be beat with any build, no one is forced into any build or any class, players aren’t forced to do anything, Anet has even stated as such. And one last time you are saying players shouldn’t be able to choose who they allow in their groups based on their choice of requirements. 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Rhanoa.3960 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > @Haishao.6851 said: > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > @deltaconnected.4058 said: > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > @deltaconnected.4058 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Omar Aschi Popp.7496" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You antimeters sure love to report my posts instead of rebuke me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am an ultra casual(8 hrs a week max) Full stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I play dungeons in TIER1 culture armor(lv39). Full Stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I run in pug TIER4 fractals with 90ar. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I run in RAIDS with EXOTIC mismatched stats. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I HAVE NEVER *HAD* TO BE KICKED FROM A GROUP WITH DPS METER. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Literally everything 100% in this thread is EXCUSES. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone who says otherwise is not telling the whole truth about WHY they were kicked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont use or aproove of dps meter. But I am totally with the pro-dps crowd on this one. Your logic is just pure fallacy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creator of ARCDPS is willing to retaliate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am wrong, can you please provide exactly where Anet says we are subjected to player requirements or restricted to Meta builds? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where in their advertisement or marketing did they promote this? GW2, HOT, & POF? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show us where Anet says players have to group up and accept everyone, and not play with who they want and setup groups how they want. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are playing the game as intended choosing to participant in any content with whom we want when we want out of the box, this is pretty obvious. > > > > > > > > > > > > What didn't come with the box is requirments or restricted builds for players to be retaliated against. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @deltaconnected.4058 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Omar Aschi Popp.7496" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You antimeters sure love to report my posts instead of rebuke me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am an ultra casual(8 hrs a week max) Full stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I play dungeons in TIER1 culture armor(lv39). Full Stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I run in pug TIER4 fractals with 90ar. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I run in RAIDS with EXOTIC mismatched stats. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I HAVE NEVER *HAD* TO BE KICKED FROM A GROUP WITH DPS METER. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Literally everything 100% in this thread is EXCUSES. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone who says otherwise is not telling the whole truth about WHY they were kicked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont use or aproove of dps meter. But I am totally with the pro-dps crowd on this one. Your logic is just pure fallacy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creator of ARCDPS is willing to retaliate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am wrong, can you please provide exactly where Anet says we are subjected to player requirements or restricted to Meta builds? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where in their advertisement or marketing did they promote this? GW2, HOT, & POF? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show us where Anet says players have to group up and accept everyone, and not play with who they want and setup groups how they want. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are playing the game as intended choosing to participant in any content with **whom we want when we want out** of the box, this is pretty obvious. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What didn't come with the box is requirments or restricted builds for players to be retaliated against. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We don't care how you think the game should be played, or how you think it is intended to be played. Show us where ANet says it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not how I think, it's how it was sold. There is a huge difference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You say you are choosing to participate in content with who you want, but we are not allowed to do the same. You say it is pretty obvious and ask us to show where ANet says otherwise, yet we are not allowed to ask the same. So, for the last time, show me where ANet says that I can't pick who I want in my group. > > > > > > > > > > I said WE, not me. I did not exclude you or any other player. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, the box did NOT come with requirements or restricted builds for players. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And unless the box came with a requirement for us to let yous into our groups, which I would quite like you to show me where, I will proceed to use what the box DID come up. A kick button. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not at all objecting for you to use the Kick Button. I'm objecting to the requirements & limited build players are allowed to use that did not come with the box. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're not limited to any builds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > @deltaconnected.4058 said: > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > @deltaconnected.4058 said: > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > @deltaconnected.4058 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Omar Aschi Popp.7496" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You antimeters sure love to report my posts instead of rebuke me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am an ultra casual(8 hrs a week max) Full stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I play dungeons in TIER1 culture armor(lv39). Full Stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I run in pug TIER4 fractals with 90ar. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I run in RAIDS with EXOTIC mismatched stats. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I HAVE NEVER *HAD* TO BE KICKED FROM A GROUP WITH DPS METER. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Literally everything 100% in this thread is EXCUSES. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone who says otherwise is not telling the whole truth about WHY they were kicked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont use or aproove of dps meter. But I am totally with the pro-dps crowd on this one. Your logic is just pure fallacy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creator of ARCDPS is willing to retaliate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am wrong, can you please provide exactly where Anet says we are subjected to player requirements or restricted to Meta builds? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where in their advertisement or marketing did they promote this? GW2, HOT, & POF? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show us where Anet says players have to group up and accept everyone, and not play with who they want and setup groups how they want. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are playing the game as intended choosing to participant in any content with whom we want when we want out of the box, this is pretty obvious. > > > > > > > > > > > > What didn't come with the box is requirments or restricted builds for players to be retaliated against. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @deltaconnected.4058 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Omar Aschi Popp.7496" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You antimeters sure love to report my posts instead of rebuke me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am an ultra casual(8 hrs a week max) Full stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I play dungeons in TIER1 culture armor(lv39). Full Stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I run in pug TIER4 fractals with 90ar. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I run in RAIDS with EXOTIC mismatched stats. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I HAVE NEVER *HAD* TO BE KICKED FROM A GROUP WITH DPS METER. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Literally everything 100% in this thread is EXCUSES. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone who says otherwise is not telling the whole truth about WHY they were kicked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont use or aproove of dps meter. But I am totally with the pro-dps crowd on this one. Your logic is just pure fallacy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creator of ARCDPS is willing to retaliate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am wrong, can you please provide exactly where Anet says we are subjected to player requirements or restricted to Meta builds? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where in their advertisement or marketing did they promote this? GW2, HOT, & POF? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show us where Anet says players have to group up and accept everyone, and not play with who they want and setup groups how they want. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are playing the game as intended choosing to participant in any content with **whom we want when we want out** of the box, this is pretty obvious. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What didn't come with the box is requirments or restricted builds for players to be retaliated against. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We don't care how you think the game should be played, or how you think it is intended to be played. Show us where ANet says it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not how I think, it's how it was sold. There is a huge difference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You say you are choosing to participate in content with who you want, but we are not allowed to do the same. You say it is pretty obvious and ask us to show where ANet says otherwise, yet we are not allowed to ask the same. So, for the last time, show me where ANet says that I can't pick who I want in my group. > > > > > > > > > > I said WE, not me. I did not exclude you or any other player. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, the box did NOT come with requirements or restricted builds for players. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And unless the box came with a requirement for us to let yous into our groups, which I would quite like you to show me where, I will proceed to use what the box DID come up. A kick button. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not at all objecting for you to use the Kick Button. I'm objecting to the requirements & limited build players are allowed to use that did not come with the box. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are not preventing you from using any build you want. We are kicking you for using any build you want if we ask for something different. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually you are. Please reference the comment about "kicking you," which is punishing players for play the game as intended. Requiring and restricting players to Builds that did not come with the box. > > > > > > > > > > The game intends for time to play with whoever I want by allowing me the option to post specific LFG/LFM Requirements and the Kick option as well as the Block options. > > > > > > > > > > Sorry but playing the game as intended which allows me to restrict who plays with me, which you have made clear you say is not how the game is intended and that you say players shouldn’t be able to do this even though the game intends for me to do so by giving me those options. > > > > > > > > ArcDPS and Forced Meta builds are not out of the box. These are player created. > > > > > > > > > > Actually since games shipped with Professions/builds/optimal choices yeah Meta builds did ship with the box since they are all 100% part of the game. And no one is forcing you to play Meta. > > > > > > And Anet stated that ARCdps is allowed to be used in conjunction with their game, so it’s allowed to be their and no one is forcing you to Use or be subject to ARCdps. > > > > > > Any other arguments to be dismantled? > > > > Far from it. ANET did not benchmark or create the restrictions or requirements. Again the players did, subjecting players to only run META builds in order to participate in certain content. The players creating this environment are penalizing other players. > > > > I already covered this and has been record in my history of comments. > > Anet created all professions, skills, traits, Gear etc so all those shipped with the game, and one last time all content can be beat with any build, no one is forced into any build or any class, players aren’t forced to do anything, Anet has even stated as such. > > And one last time you are saying players shouldn’t be able to choose who they allow in their groups based on their choice of requirements. You left out your choose and requirements, which punishes those who do not play with your required META builds. Meta builds and ArcDPS were never a requirement for picking up and playing the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoSundown.5419 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > Far from it. ANET did not benchmark or create the restrictions or requirements. Again the players did, subjecting players to only run META builds in order to participate in certain content. The players creating this environment are penalizing other players. > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > You left out your choose and requirements, which punishes those who do not play with your required META builds. Meta builds and ArcDPS were never a requirement for picking up and playing the game. People who set restrictions on who they want to play with are not preventing you from playing the game, nor from playing certain content. They are only preventing you from doing so _with them_. If you want to play the way you like to play, surely they can want to play the way they like to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Red Arachnid.2493 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Well obviously this is about what DPS meters do to the culture of the game, not just the meter itself. Personal choice is no good when the tools exist to predispose players to choose against you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunter.3795 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 > @IndigoSundown.5419 said: > >> People who set restrictions on who they want to play with are not preventing you from playing the game, nor from playing certain content. They are only preventing you from doing so _with them_. If you want to play the way you like to play, surely they can want to play the way they like to play. So if I start a group and say no dps meters are allowed, what power do I have to stop a person from obtaining my combat information and using a dps meter? There is none. You cannot argue in anyway that I can set a group and say what I want as restrictions. You are only defending YOUR restrtictions as they cannot be restricted because Anet has allowed 3rd party software to be used in game due to the whining of a minority of the player base. Anet has allowed this behavior to infect the game due to their inability/lack of care to create a game powered dps meter. Due to the number of threads about this topic I hope they actually decide to give the game something it needs and that is a game powered dps meter. This would allow anyone the ability to opt out and not be subject to the intrusion of a dps meter.with the knowledge that one is or is not being used. I, personally, do not care for the intrusion of a dps meter without my allowing it (either by staying in the group after it's been announced one is being used or in advance of lfg thread). It's the same as if I developed a software that allowed me to watch your chat bar for activity during a group and kicked people for using chat rather than fighting since if you're chatting you're not contributing everything to the group and your focus is not on the group. No one would want that but by the same token some of us do not like the intrusion of the dps meter. Now before the elites come here and try to defend the use of dps meters I want to make it clear that I have no problems with people using dps meteres if they choose to use them in their groups. That being said, they should use the squad ready up checkbox for the raid squad and make it known that when you click ready you are acknowledging the use and ok the use of a dps meter in that group. If anyone has a problem they can and should leave at that time. Problem solved. The non-dps meter crowd has a responsibility here as well and that is to not join a group that is advertising "meta builds only" when you are not using a meta build. The same goes for the dps meter crowd and they need to make sure that they clearly state that they are using a dps meter and/or meta builds. NO ONE has a right to join a group that they don't meet the requirements as listed. At the same time if I list "no dps meters" I have the right to not be subject to one without my consent. That is the problem with the whole dps meter controversy, it's a third party program that cannot be restricted in any way. Anet needs to change this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belorn.2659 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 > @Bunter.3795 said: > So if I start a group and say no dps meters are allowed, what power do I have to stop a person from obtaining my combat information and using a dps meter? There is none. You have the same power as someone who say no to be video recorded. Do everyone online have the power to prevent streamers? __No__. Is that a major problem? __No__. Most people are nice and respect other players wishes when they are made aware about it, and will either cut you out of the recording or stop streaming when asked. We don't need Anet to have a policy against streamers (which would also be bad business, harmful to the community, and ineffective even if tried). Video recording is technically 3rd party software, but it is not against the EULA to use. It just a part of playing online that you can see the actions of other players and other players can see you. My advice to you is to stop worrying about people secretly recording your game play and assume some good faith in your fellow player. Ask politely that people turn of DPS meters when they join your group and they might very well do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cat.8975 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 "forced meta builds" is the funniest thing ive read all week homie if you dont wanna get kicked for using a terribly inefficient build, form your own group with your own rules if you join a group that's asking for experienced players who intend to clear the content in a reasonable amount of time, you better be pulling your weight a big problem with this game at the moment is that illusion of choice the trait system provides. most trait spots you'll see an obviously pvp-oriented trait, a pve one, and a useless or very niche use one. if you're running pvp traits or useless traits in pvp, or massively inefficient weapons/stats, you shouldnt be surprised when people kick you for dragging them down we all have lives outside of this game, some of us want to clear content quickly when it's some sort of daily/weekly task (dungeons/fractals/raids) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor.2358 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > @deltaconnected.4058 said: > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > @"Omar Aschi Popp.7496" said: > > > > > > You antimeters sure love to report my posts instead of rebuke me. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am an ultra casual(8 hrs a week max) Full stop. > > > > > > I play dungeons in TIER1 culture armor(lv39). Full Stop. > > > > > > I run in pug TIER4 fractals with 90ar. FULL STOP. > > > > > > I run in RAIDS with EXOTIC mismatched stats. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > I HAVE NEVER *HAD* TO BE KICKED FROM A GROUP WITH DPS METER. > > > > > > > > > > > > Literally everything 100% in this thread is EXCUSES. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone who says otherwise is not telling the whole truth about WHY they were kicked. > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont use or aproove of dps meter. But I am totally with the pro-dps crowd on this one. Your logic is just pure fallacy. > > > > > > > > > > The creator of ARCDPS is willing to retaliate. > > > > > > > > > > If I am wrong, can you please provide exactly where Anet says we are subjected to player requirements or restricted to Meta builds? > > > > > Where in their advertisement or marketing did they promote this? GW2, HOT, & POF? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show us where Anet says players have to group up and accept everyone, and not play with who they want and setup groups how they want. > > > > > > We are playing the game as intended choosing to participant in any content with whom we want when we want out of the box, this is pretty obvious. > > > What didn't come with the box is requirments or restricted builds for players to be retaliated against. > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > @deltaconnected.4058 said: > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > > > > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > > > > > > > > @"Omar Aschi Popp.7496" said: > > > > > > > > You antimeters sure love to report my posts instead of rebuke me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am an ultra casual(8 hrs a week max) Full stop. > > > > > > > > I play dungeons in TIER1 culture armor(lv39). Full Stop. > > > > > > > > I run in pug TIER4 fractals with 90ar. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > I run in RAIDS with EXOTIC mismatched stats. FULL STOP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I HAVE NEVER *HAD* TO BE KICKED FROM A GROUP WITH DPS METER. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Literally everything 100% in this thread is EXCUSES. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone who says otherwise is not telling the whole truth about WHY they were kicked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont use or aproove of dps meter. But I am totally with the pro-dps crowd on this one. Your logic is just pure fallacy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creator of ARCDPS is willing to retaliate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am wrong, can you please provide exactly where Anet says we are subjected to player requirements or restricted to Meta builds? > > > > > > > Where in their advertisement or marketing did they promote this? GW2, HOT, & POF? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show us where Anet says players have to group up and accept everyone, and not play with who they want and setup groups how they want. > > > > > > > > > > We are playing the game as intended choosing to participant in any content with **whom we want when we want out** of the box, this is pretty obvious. > > > > > What didn't come with the box is requirments or restricted builds for players to be retaliated against. > > > > > > > > We don't care how you think the game should be played, or how you think it is intended to be played. Show us where ANet says it. > > > > > > It's not how I think, it's how it was sold. There is a huge difference. > > > > You say you are choosing to participate in content with who you want, but we are not allowed to do the same. You say it is pretty obvious and ask us to show where ANet says otherwise, yet we are not allowed to ask the same. So, for the last time, show me where ANet says that I can't pick who I want in my group. > I said WE, not me. I did not exclude you or any other player. > > Again, the box did NOT come with requirements or restricted builds for players. But your fellow players did come with requirements and you can't change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 > @Kheldorn.5123 said: > I am absolutely amazed of the scale that such tool as DPS meter can be consider in the context of law. I think it is even more urgent now for ArenaNet to review this case and change the policy, so players are in power of their privacy within the game. Again, every one of us agreed to terms and conditions of the game provided by ArenaNet. But I never agreed and refuse to agree to whatever terms and conditions Deltaconnected provides (I'm sure he doesn't) especially that ArenaNet takes no responsibility for any damage caused by this tool. This is why I am now even more confident it is important to make sure that players can't be monitored by this tool without their consent, especially when they do not use it and play on vanilla GW2 client. *TLDR: You gave consent when you logged in.* You already gave your consent by playing the game. Every bit of data involved with the game belongs to ANet, including the damage data, your account name and character names too. They can decide what they will allow to happen with it. It is perfectly legal to take photographs of people in public, it is not a violation of privacy because you are not in private. DPS meter is no different. You can read the Privacy Policy here; https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/arenanet-privacy-policy/ Where it states that; "Personal Information does not include aggregated information that, by itself, does not permit the identification of individual persons (like statistics about how many persons visited our web site last month, or how many visitors are male and how many are female)." DPS meter information would fall under this section. I'd also direct you to Collection of Personal Information within the privacy policy; "You provide certain Personal Information to us when you: (a) register to use the services, (b) register for contests or giveaways, © complete questionnaires, (d) order products and services from us, (e) send email messages, submit forms, or send other information to us and (f) log-in to the Sites using a third party service (e.g., Facebook). When you communicate within any game or any other communication feature within any of our Sites (e.g. live chat, instant message services and the like), even “privately” to another person, you do so with the understanding that those communications go through our servers, can be monitored by us, you have no expectation of privacy in any of those communications and, accordingly, you expressly consent to monitoring of communications (including technical support and customer service communications) that you send and receive." So if you cannot even expect privacy for private chat, and have given consent for it to be monitored, how can you expect it for data that is already public and only estimated? Anet also asks that you "Please do not use your real name or the real name of another person when selecting a user name. Please note that your user name will be available to the Internet’s general public while you participate in some services, like forums, chat rooms or message boards, so you should exercise discretion when using these services. Personal Information disclosed by you within our chat areas, instant message service, message boards, or during game play can be collected by other users of such services and may result in unsolicited messages." To prevent use of personal information. For people in the EU; "(9) Information for people in the European Union By consenting to this Privacy Policy, you confirm that your command and knowledge of English (or in some cases, French, German or Spanish) is sufficient to understand the terms and conditions set forth herein. For persons in European Union countries, as used in this Privacy Policy, terms such as “personal information” refer to “personal data” as defined by the UK Data Protection Act 1998 (the “Act”). The terms “data controller” and “data processor” shall also be as defined in the Act. We will not collect any personal data from you unless you provide it voluntarily by providing us with your freely given specific and informed consent. By using ArenaNet websites (including, without limitation, the Sites) or services, you agree that we may transfer your personal information outside the European Union in connection with the purposes stated in this Privacy Policy. Your personal data may be transferred to the United States (and/or other non-EU jurisdictions, as applicable). If You are ordinarily resident in the European Union any reference to an age of 13 in shall be deemed a reference to the age in your home country, below which, children receive additional legal data protections afforded to younger minors." So once the data is out of the EU and into the ANet servers in the states; Also, see section G of general provisions; https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-user-agreement/ "Governing Law and Venue – This agreement and any controversy related to this agreement shall be interpreted in accordance with and governed by the laws of the state of Washington, or, as appropriate, by federal law as applied by a federal court sitting in Washington, both without regard to Washington choice of law rules. You and ArenaNet expressly agree that the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods do not apply to this agreement or to transactions processed under the agreement. To the extent not otherwise precluded by any other provision of this agreement (see Sections 14(a) and 14(b) above), any and all Dispute(s) and litigation(s) arising out of or related to this agreement, including without limitation matters connected with its performance, shall be subject to the exclusive jurisdiction of the courts of Washington, sitting in Bellevue, Washington, and/or the Federal courts sitting therein. You and ArenaNet hereby irrevocably submit to the personal jurisdiction of such courts and irrevocably waive all objections to such venue." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoSundown.5419 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 > @Bunter.3795 said: > > @IndigoSundown.5419 said: > > People who set restrictions on who they want to play with are not preventing you from playing the game, nor from playing certain content. They are only preventing you from doing so _with them_. If you want to play the way you like to play, surely they can want to play the way they like to play. > > So if I start a group and say no dps meters are allowed, what power do I have to stop a person from obtaining my combat information and using a dps meter? There is none. You cannot argue in anyway that I can set a group and say what I want as restrictions. You are only defending YOUR restrtictions as they cannot be restricted because Anet has allowed 3rd party software to be used in game due to the whining of a minority of the player base. You have the same power they do, the power to kick. If they share meter data after you advertised "No meters," give them the boot. If they don't share the meter data, then your experience in the content will be the same whether they have a meter or not. Or are we going to go down the path of, "It puts me off to think that they _might_ be using a meter?" Oh, and they're not my restrictions. I've only ever formed "anything goes" groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoNS.3261 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 @Kheldorn.5123 you seem to be very anti dps meter but guess what anet is not going to do anything about it, they went from their original position of no dps meters ever to allowing them and now they cant put the genie back in the box because this is a useful tool. as for your personal information that you are rasing so much fuss about you do realize no one cares about your personal information but yourself right. if i had my way inspect would be build in to this game like in wow so people can check others gear and traits and not have to rely on good faith that the other guy has proper gear, and filters for players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArenaNet Staff Chris Cleary.8017 Posted October 15, 2017 ArenaNet Staff Share Posted October 15, 2017 Since this thread has really exploded, and there seems to be some possible misunderstanding about privacy here, I'll comment. The current implementation of DPS meters is nothing more than a re-presentation of information already being transmitted by the game server to all clients in the reporting radius. Combat data does not have player ownership as it is being generated by the game server and then transmitted in order to update the status of the world state. Essentially since the server is running a calculation/simulation based on actions by all the clients in the area, it owns the subsequent reporting of all calculations. This is different for situations like chat, where there is no impact or simulation necessary and essentially is a forwarding service that the server is simply handling the reporting of the client action. Regional laws change, if at some point change is required, we will revisit it at that time. I would suggest visiting the Guild Wars 2 User Agreement if you are unsure of anything privacy related for Guild Wars 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 > @"Chris Cleary.8017" said: > Since this thread has really exploded, and there seems to be some possible misunderstanding about privacy here, I'll comment. > > The current implementation of DPS meters is nothing more than a re-presentation of information already being transmitted by the game server to all clients in the reporting radius. Combat data does not have player ownership as it is being generated by the game server and then transmitted in order to update the status of the world state. > > Essentially since the server is running a calculation/simulation based on actions by all the clients in the area, it owns the subsequent reporting of all calculations both literally and legally. > > This is different for situations like chat, where there is no impact or simulation necessary and essentially is a forwarding service that the server is simply handling the reporting of the client action. > > Regional laws change, if at some point change is required, we will revisit it at that time. I would suggest visiting the Guild Wars 2 User Agreement if you are unsure of anything privacy related for Guild Wars 2. > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubySzymek.1362 Posted October 15, 2017 Author Share Posted October 15, 2017 > @"Chris Cleary.8017" said: > Since this thread has really exploded, and there seems to be some possible misunderstanding about privacy here, I'll comment. > > The current implementation of DPS meters is nothing more than a re-presentation of information already being transmitted by the game server to all clients in the reporting radius. Combat data does not have player ownership as it is being generated by the game server and then transmitted in order to update the status of the world state. > > Essentially since the server is running a calculation/simulation based on actions by all the clients in the area, it owns the subsequent reporting of all calculations both literally and legally. > > This is different for situations like chat, where there is no impact or simulation necessary and essentially is a forwarding service that the server is simply handling the reporting of the client action. > > Regional laws change, if at some point change is required, we will revisit it at that time. I would suggest visiting the Guild Wars 2 User Agreement if you are unsure of anything privacy related for Guild Wars 2. > > > > Thank you that you found your time to look into this thread and respond. First of all, **it's never been my intention to make this thread into legal case**. People are passionate about dps meter topic, for both sides of the discussion, yet my motivations to create this thread are not about making this "court case". The fact that legal terms and definitions appeared pushed by other players amazed me probably as much as you. **This is the case not only of privacy, but also security, choice, respect and fair ground for all the players**. Your current policy states that every player can use a 3rd party app that translates visual, yet not direct information from game client into direct number also associating it with my account. This app can be used to monitor my account without my consent or even knowledge that another player is monitoring my activity in game. **I think this is totally out of place that you force all players in game to expect that every time they join a group, they are have to be assuming anyone can be monitoring them**. ArcDPS is not part of the game, it's 3rd party tool. We never agreed to anything related to deltaconnected in User Agreement. Your answer is that "you join the party, you agree to be monitored". Well, no. **This is very wide and unfair approach. ArcDPS is not part of the game, is not required for game integrity or content completion. You should not require me to accept this tool automatically when joining the group when at the same time ArenaNet takes no responsibility for any problems caused by this tool**. I think this is also out of place that you now gate your content with the premise of agreeing to using this tool. This needs to be reviewed and changed ASAP. **Possible solutions are:** 1. Changing the policy to state that sharing any information using 3rd party tools is possible only if player consents. This may be applied not only to current dps meters but make way to create gear inspection tool in the future. 2. Acknowledging that ArenaNet takes responsibility for any problems approved 3rd party tools may cause and help players with consequences. I hope you take this into consideration and discuss this case with your team. Currently you put player on unfair ground, gratifying a minority of passionate players over the rest of community. --- Since it's impossible to answer to everyone here directly, I would like to make a general response. **I am not against DPS meters. I am against their current implementation and ArenaNet's policy.** Unfortunately there are people who can't get over their personal bias and participate in the disscusion on healthy terms. To those who understand what my concerns are, no matter if you agree with me or not, thank you for reasonable approach and good talk we have here. Also, **I respect that every group has power to make any requirement for players joining them**. But this is unfair situation that one group of players, **those using dps meters, have all the power to verify their request, while people who are not interested in these tools can only hope that people joining them are not using this tool**. This is why players are currently segregated on unfair terms because of the policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexZero.7910 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 > @Kheldorn.5123 said: > **This is the case not only of privacy, but also security, choice, respect and fair ground for all the players**. Your current policy states that every player can use a 3rd party app that translates visual, yet not direct information from game client into direct number also associating it with my account. This app can be used to monitor my account without my consent or even knowledge that another player is monitoring my activity in game. **I think this is totally out of place that you force all players in game to expect that every time they join a group, they are have to be assuming anyone can be monitoring them**. ArcDPS is not part of the game, it's 3rd party tool. We never agreed to anything related to deltaconnected in User Agreement. Your answer is that "you join the party, you agree to be monitored". Well, no. **This is very wide and unfair approach. ArcDPS is not part of the game, is not required for game integrity or content completion. You should not require me to accept this tool automatically when joining the group when at the same time ArenaNet takes no responsibility for any problems caused by this tool**. I think this is also out of place that you now gate your content with the premise of agreeing to using this tool. You sir are missing the point. Arc isnt taking anything, literally anything from your account. Stop intentionally missing the point as it was made clear as day. All that data when it comes to combat/mob status/player interaction with the area IS PUBLIC and Isn't going to change because it quite literally cannot as unless you want us to go back to a single player game it's quite literally impossible to have a shared open world without public actions being reported to all clients connected to the server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jephery.8915 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Your suggestions really won't fix anything. If a player doesn't show their DPS to the group and the group cares, they'll just get kicked before the first pull, instead of getting kicked when their dps is low. If anything you'll just make it easier for people to filter you out of their community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Boy.7138 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 I'm very casual and very far from being an elitist, but I stil strongly agree that anyone in a party or squad, deserves to see the performance of their fellow party members. The only people who would have an issue with a dps meter is someone who wants to get carried by their group. They wanna underperform and while not alerting others that they are underperforming. That's not right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubySzymek.1362 Posted October 15, 2017 Author Share Posted October 15, 2017 > @Jephery.8915 said: > Your suggestions really won't fix anything. If a player doesn't show their DPS to the group and the group cares, they'll just get kicked before the first pull, instead of getting kicked when their dps is low. > > If anything you'll just make it easier for people to filter you out of their community. But it would be my choice to not share and get kicked. Currently it isn't. Also, look at my No2 suggestion. If anet acknowledges this app and their responsibility and support to players that it may cause any damage, I seize my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jephery.8915 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 > @Kheldorn.5123 said: > > @Jephery.8915 said: > > Your suggestions really won't fix anything. If a player doesn't show their DPS to the group and the group cares, they'll just get kicked before the first pull, instead of getting kicked when their dps is low. > > > > If anything you'll just make it easier for people to filter you out of their community. > > But it would be my choice to not share and get kicked. Currently it isn't. > > Also, look at my No2 suggestion. If anet acknowledges this app and their responsibility and support to players that it may cause any damage, I seize my case. Does it matter whether its your choice or not? You're still wasting your time, and their time, by trying to assert your personal views and playstyle on others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexZero.7910 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 > @Kheldorn.5123 said: > > @Jephery.8915 said: > > Your suggestions really won't fix anything. If a player doesn't show their DPS to the group and the group cares, they'll just get kicked before the first pull, instead of getting kicked when their dps is low. > > > > If anything you'll just make it easier for people to filter you out of their community. > > But it would be my choice to not share and get kicked. Currently it isn't. > > Also, look at my No2 suggestion. If anet acknowledges this app and their responsibility and support to players that it may cause any damage, I seize my case. Again.....Your choices are literal impossibilities. You cannot do anything in this game, lets just take combat out of the equation for this without the server reporting your presence to everyone. It also has to do this for other players, mobs, npc's, and resource nodes (not to mention worldstate and other non-interactable but changing objects) Additionally, Anet cannot take legal responsibilities for a program it doesn't own. Software doesn't work that way. This is why they have their third party policy not only stickied here but mentioned on their support site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubySzymek.1362 Posted October 15, 2017 Author Share Posted October 15, 2017 > @TexZero.7910 said: > > @Kheldorn.5123 said: > > > @Jephery.8915 said: > > > Your suggestions really won't fix anything. If a player doesn't show their DPS to the group and the group cares, they'll just get kicked before the first pull, instead of getting kicked when their dps is low. > > > > > > If anything you'll just make it easier for people to filter you out of their community. > > > > But it would be my choice to not share and get kicked. Currently it isn't. > > > > Also, look at my No2 suggestion. If anet acknowledges this app and their responsibility and support to players that it may cause any damage, I seize my case. > > Again.....Your choices are literal impossibilities. > > You cannot do anything in this game, lets just take combat out of the equation for this without the server reporting your presence to everyone. It also has to do this for other players, mobs, npc's, and resource nodes (not to mention worldstate and other non-interactable but changing objects) > > Additionally, Anet cannot take legal responsibilities for a program it doesn't own. Software doesn't work that way. This is why they have their third party policy not only stickied here but mentioned on their support site. If they approve the app and force all players to accept it can be used without their consent or knowledge, they have to take responsibility for consequences of their decicion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexZero.7910 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 > @Kheldorn.5123 said: > > @TexZero.7910 said: > > > @Kheldorn.5123 said: > > > > @Jephery.8915 said: > > > > Your suggestions really won't fix anything. If a player doesn't show their DPS to the group and the group cares, they'll just get kicked before the first pull, instead of getting kicked when their dps is low. > > > > > > > > If anything you'll just make it easier for people to filter you out of their community. > > > > > > But it would be my choice to not share and get kicked. Currently it isn't. > > > > > > Also, look at my No2 suggestion. If anet acknowledges this app and their responsibility and support to players that it may cause any damage, I seize my case. > > > > Again.....Your choices are literal impossibilities. > > > > You cannot do anything in this game, lets just take combat out of the equation for this without the server reporting your presence to everyone. It also has to do this for other players, mobs, npc's, and resource nodes (not to mention worldstate and other non-interactable but changing objects) > > > > Additionally, Anet cannot take legal responsibilities for a program it doesn't own. Software doesn't work that way. This is why they have their third party policy not only stickied here but mentioned on their support site. > > If they approve the app and force all players to accept it can be used without their consent or knowledge, they have to take responsibility for consequences of their decicion. They've approved the app, but in no way can anyone not even Microsoft™ force you to have software you do not wish to have. Please stop skirting this. You have a choice, you're just refusing to understand the issues at large. You lack the basic understanding of the game and server-client interactions and in doing so you're making claims that are entirely fictitious and coming to conclusions that are false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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