AshkyLicious.4729

> @"Veprovina.4876" said: > Yeah that video tells you pretty much all you need to know about the dodge nerf, if the forum arguments form pretty much everyone aren't convincing enough. :smile: The only way peeps would understand this is if Anet remove one dodge from all the other classes aswell. That would actually be so much more fair atleast!

> @"Salt Mode.3780" said: > > So what you're doing right now is claim that you know what the game is *balanced around* (being "two dodges") better than anet themselves do, which is not only pretty random, but also false. If they were to revert that nerf, then it wouldn't be "because the game needs you to have 2 dodges to work", but because they determined the spec is too weak and needs help. > > And mirage isn't really dead, it's just not as easly spammy as it initially was. > > the game was built upon 2 dodges in every profession if you want to understand why 2 dodges is important then i suggest you want JazzXman.7018's video it will explain to you in detail why 2 dodges is important and is a fundamental core mechanic to the game itself. and 2 dodges is even more so considering mesmers have so many core traits that rely on dodging. > again with the spammy claim, mirages with 2 dodges was never spammy what made it seem spammy is sigil of energy and endurance food + vigor which mirages were able to use to max potential i mean daredevils can maximize the use of it as well, if you want to talk spammy classes with NO cd is called spammy for example thieves and even then they have initiatives that prevent them from being "spammy" > as far as balance goes the game hasent been balanced since pre expansion days and the main issue with the game is boons which never got touched on the huge balance update from 2019. when dmg numbers got crunched boons continue to run rampant into the game. for example pre expansion days it required combo fields to get certain boons or 2 staff guards and fire field to get 25 stacks of might, now a days a press of a button and u can achieve all the important boons in the game. > u talk about devs knows balance as far as im concern they havent released a balance patch tht shook the meta up. stop trying to kiss up and let them own up. > > oh and because mirage dodge is stationary, the speed boost it gets will get hindered by cripple and chill. so if u dont understand what tht means it means if there r aoe fields with 1 dodge and even 2 sometimes u cant get away from the aoes. > > PS. if mirage really only needed one dodge because espec reasons they would've done it upon release not wait nearly 2 years to remove it.... BAAM!!! Thank you for the facts! :) Is it that hard for people to understand how unfair the mirage nerfs are? Even a 5 years old would get it... jeeez

It's been like almost one month now with this issue going on and the support doesnt really give any update on how it's going with this issue. I just get like automated responses almost all the time which is really frustrating. Is it that hard for Anet to be transparent for once? Tiresome to get told all the time to use Paypal or buying Gem cards (which I havent seen any store in Sweden sell at all). Does anybody here have any more luck than me with the support?

> @"Lucio.4190" said: > Weird.. I live in Sweden too and have the same problem. I solved it by using Paypal, but that's not a solution. > > If this is a networking issue, then someone may be doing things they're not supposed to do (either ANet or the government)? What is different in Scandinavia compared to other countries where this works? I dont know if it has gotten stricter with the "Verifying of purchases" - part for us who lives in Sweden, from the banks perspective? This issue has never existed before for me prior to middle of january. In a way it's a good thing with them being stricter, so we dont get exposed to fraud etc. Anet just needs to implement a good pop-up system for their Gemstore and then we're good to go :p

> @"Ruba.6382" said: > > @"AshkyLicious.4729" said: > > > @"Ruba.6382" said: > > > I'm experiencing the same "gray out indefinitely" issue too, and I live in Sweden. > > > I've been in contact with support and I've sent them a bunch of information and stuff and their conclusion is that it's caused by high latency, and they listed some common causes of that. Like high internet traffic load, internet speed, distance from the server, use of wireless connection, and background downloads and updates. > > > > > > But I'm questioning that for now since my internet is always quite fast, even during higher traffic hours. And I don't use a wireless connection and I don't have a bunch of downloads and updates running in the background. What we definitely have in common is the distance from their servers. But if I had a bad connection to their server wouldn't I experience a bunch of lag while playing? I don't know about you, but the game runs perfectly for me. > > > > > > I asked them about this in my latest reply and I'm waiting for an answer now. > > > I also linked this forum discussion and I encouraged them to look into this potential "invisible pop-up window" issue. > > > > Did you get any reply from Anet? Just curious to see if they made any progress in this matter. > > I did, but they just want me to change things on my end, like changing my in-game Content streaming settings, and clean-up Winsock entries, and override my DNS settings to Google's public DNS... Whatever that means (I don't want to do that because I won't remember how to reverse it if I need to). And in the last reply, they wanted me to download a VPN, which I haven't done yet and I don't know if I will. My mental energy is starting to run out and I just hope that it gets fixed by itself. > > I tried to buy gems again a few hours ago, but instead of just getting the "gray out indefinitely" issue again a completely white window also popped up now after clicking confirm. Dont do those things! Dont really know why they want you to do all those things since this is a known issue that many has, atleast for us who's living in scandinavia. The white window you're seeing is actually a fix they have made. Its a window for the pop up to load within, and it seems like its working for some people, but not for us who lives in sweden as I understood from their response in my ticket. They are looking into this and will write back when they have an update!

> @"Vex.5716" said: > So far it still does not work, although when entering the payment the window will pop up but it will remain empty and will no longer be loaded and the payment will not take place again > Im having the same problem as you aswell! The support is working on this though!

> @"chicken.4930" said: > i have problems too.. i press confirm. and nothing happends after that. just loading. I live in Norway Seems like most of us from scandinavia has the same problem! submit a ticket to the support team, that's the best we can do! I received an update for 3 hours ago from the support team, and they are looking into this. Hopefully they find a fix soon! :)

> @"The Dark Neptune.2651" said: > I live in Sweden and i'm also experiencing the same issue. Any update on the matter? Im waiting for Anets response for the moment! "They are looking into this" was the last thing they said. Submit a ticket to them and refer to this forum thread in your ticket aswell. The more people bring this up the better!

> @"Ruba.6382" said: > I'm experiencing the same "gray out indefinitely" issue too, and I live in Sweden. > I've been in contact with support and I've sent them a bunch of information and stuff and their conclusion is that it's caused by high latency, and they listed some common causes of that. Like high internet traffic load, internet speed, distance from the server, use of wireless connection, and background downloads and updates. > > But I'm questioning that for now since my internet is always quite fast, even during higher traffic hours. And I don't use a wireless connection and I don't have a bunch of downloads and updates running in the background. What we definitely have in common is the distance from their servers. But if I had a bad connection to their server wouldn't I experience a bunch of lag while playing? I don't know about you, but the game runs perfectly for me. > > I asked them about this in my latest reply and I'm waiting for an answer now. > I also linked this forum discussion and I encouraged them to look into this potential "invisible pop-up window" issue. Did you get any reply from Anet? Just curious to see if they made any progress in this matter.

Im having the exact same issue aswell and I live in Sweden. Didn't have this issue at all in the beginning of january. I've submitted a ticket for this aswell. Hope they can fix this somehow!

 I'd like to suggest these beautiful fairy wings as a backpack and glider combo with 4 dye channels (link above) =) We dont really have any fairy inspired wings beside the moth wings, but you cant dye the backpack on that one ;) PLEEEEEEEEASE Anet, make this happen! <3 :3

Great idea! I forget them all the time aswell and its a pity, since the animations for the emotes are nicely done aswell!

seriously... another doom and gloom post?.. Tiresome... Just get a PC and move on with your life, since you get triggered by people in here just trying to help you... Sorry not sorry...

> @"Westenev.5289" said: > I mean, we already have glittering wings... I wouldn't mind a glider for that skin. That would been cool aswell! But you cant dye the backpack though, and that kind of kills the glittering wings skin for me atleast :/

> @"KidRoleplay.3615" said: > Wish they'd add dye channels to the moth wings glider, but meh. Wish they could do that aswell, but dont think it will happen :( might aswell do a new skin from scratch instead :)

> @"Frostfang.5109" said: > > @"AshkyLicious.4729" said: > > > @"Frostfang.5109" said: > > > I"d love that but maybe not that design.? > > > > I'd love to see a design you like for the wings ? > > More inspiration is always good ?? > > I dont know how to add pictures here, but similar ti tinkelbells or something like that I'd like tinkerbell style aswell, would look awesome!

> @"Frostfang.5109" said: > I"d love that but maybe not that design.? I'd love to see a design you like for the wings ? More inspiration is always good ??

> @"Dragon Priestess.9760" said: > I think we have one or two but they are older, non-dyeable ones. > > I wouldn't mind fairy wings, although they are not high on my priority list. Yeah! We have the moth wings and the butterfly wings! The butterfly wings is only a backpack skin and non dyeable, and the moth wings is both backpack/glider but you cant dye the backpack which sucks...

> @"Danikat.8537" said: > I've bought more sets of wings that I ever expected to (mainly to use as gliders, as they tend to be smaller than most other options) so I might well buy fairy ones if they were available. > > For me it would depend on how they look dyed and how they're animated. If they flap very fast then definitely not, I can't stand flickering movement on screen for long, but I also wouldn't want them to look too loose and floppy like the feathered wings do as a backpack because fairy wings are usually based on insect wings and those aren't floppy so it would look very unrealistic. (Birds wings are floppy either, but the feathered wing backpacks aren't really shaped like a birds wing either, so that doesn't bother me as much.) Yeah wouldnt like the wings to flap too fast either! I'd like if they had a movement similar to the flutter butterflies does :)

@"Veprovina.4876" @"Lucio.4190" @"Leonidrex.5649" We should def start with creating a new thread in the mesmer forum, asking for input from all mesmer players and try to find all mesmers weaknesses together. Everything from traits, weapon skills, utility skills, healing skills and elite skills to core mesmer, chronomancer and mirage. Compare them to the other classes. Just try to make detailed research on this together. And then organize ingame protests that goes on until we hopefully get attention from Anet. This seriously needs to happen.

> @"Lucio.4190" said: > All games have the same problem. There is a small group that hate losing, starting to whine at forums and being loud in general. Shouting for nerf. > The problem with nerfing is that it starts a neverending loop behaviour, because that's when the game is really becoming unbalanced. Other races or classes needs to be nerfed too. > The Mesmer has been very versatile through the years and when one build was nerfed, another popped up. Until the Mesmer wasn't that much versatile anymore, like out of options. Cut of the fingers one by one and the artist will no longer be able to paint. Still, no build was really op but all builds had a high level and could compete with other classes. > > There is another thread here, asking for a role defining of the different classes. I think that would be a great idea before starting to work on a balance. > Should the different classes have different modifiers depending on race? Or will they all be open for everyone to select, without any race bonus/penalties? > Should there be a total balance between the builds? Or is it okay if some are slightly better than others or may require some extra skill to maneuver through the battlefield? > > I know some game developers that say "A game for everyone is a game for no one" and there is some truth in that. If we had total balance and all builds were equally good at everything, it wouldn't matter what you choose or how you play. > There's a lot to think about before balancing all the builds, I don't envy ANet. But when keep punishing a certain class like they've done here, that's not fair at all. > I've loved the Mesmer since Guild Wars, always played it. It's really sad to see what have been done these past years. But I still have hope and we will survive these dark ages. > After the rain, there's always sun. And then we nerf the Ranger! > (sorry, couldn't help my self. Really, I actually have nothing against the Ranger and don't think it should be nerfed.) Missed your post! But have to say thank you for the explanation and the point of view you provided in the post! I agree with everything you say! I still want to believe in that we as mesmer community can try to do more to change this somehow (I hope atleast). And start to look at the things you mention in your post is a good way to start doing that! Hahahahahahahaha rangers should def get the nerf indeed xD just for fun atleast! Btw thank you for all the fun posts you made, gave me a good laugh :D

> @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > @"AshkyLicious.4729" > @"Veprovina.4876" > huge list of suggestions was compiled and given to CMC by mesmer community, after SUPPOSEDLY reading it, 0 of its ideas were implemented Sorry, my bad! I missed that totally and that sucks to hear :( I wonder if we could do that again? Maybe pressuring them in a way?

> @"Veprovina.4876" said: > > @"AshkyLicious.4729" said: > > > @"Veprovina.4876" said: > > > > @"AshkyLicious.4729" said: > > > > > @"Veprovina.4876" said: > > > > > > @"AshkyLicious.4729" said: > > > > > > > @"Veprovina.4876" said: > > > > > > > > @"AshkyLicious.4729" said: > > > > > > > > Ok jokes aside... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think all of us mesmer players compeletly agree on that we oppose on all OPs suggestions in this thread? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We tried to discuss this seriously with him/her, didnt work... we even tried to bring it down to OPs level, that didnt neither work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You OP, have proven two thing in this thread: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - First of all you're trolling, and you're not good at it. You can say "its easy to say your trolling" but its a fact that you are a troll proven by your own posts. > > > > > > > > - I think you genuinely want mesmers to stay garbage in this game. This is either because you have a hard time facing them in pvp and wvw, or its because of you having a hard time playing and understanding the mesmer class. That maybe makes you salty towards this class? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New ideas and suggestions are always welcome for me, but when you try to deliberately ruin a class like this because of some strange reason, thats not ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest you play with your ranger instead and keep enjoying the game in your way, and let other players enjoy their classes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's why i stopped responding like, a page ago... > > > > > > > The suggestions, if serious, would kill the class and not even anet with how they like to torture mesmers are dumb enough to actually consider those as suggestions because they know that they are imbalanced and would not contribute to anyone "playing mesmers good" or being good at the class. > > > > > > > Anf if OP is a troll, then it's pointless to respond anyway, they'll just spam their own contrarian stance for the sake of it. Which, from what i have seen in the thread is the case. Any good arguments are just flat out ignored in favor of spamming their own "opinion", and the opinion is taliored to anger people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Idk if this needs a report, but i'm inclined to believe it does due to how OP responds to anyone's argument with an "argument" that doesn't make sense, and is literally just "no, more nerfs for the sake of it". That smells like trolling and intentional antagonising to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tot agree with everything you say. Im not a usual poster on the gw2 forum (I read it alot though). but this time I just felt I have to say something, since I've seen how our class just gets destroyed for every released balance update thats been until now. Just tired of all complainers, and Anet nerfing us all the time to make them happy... > > > > > > > > > > > > I just hope we mesmers can get a really good balance update that we deserve some day. Restoring mesmers to their formal glory. > > > > > > > > > > > > At the end of the day Mesmer is the class thats unique for gw2 as an mmo. Anet should be smart and use it as the USP it is, and nurture the class even more. > > > > > > > > > > Yup! It's time for Anet to look at mesmers as a whole and bring them in line with every other class in terms of power, support and usability. Everyone else has got so much more to offer with way less effort. Nerfing has got to stop, and threads like theese aren't helping anyone. > > > > > > > > > > I mean, this guy is asking for nerfs on the only class that lost a core mechanic that was present since launch. Mirage lost a dodge in WvW, and it SUCKS to play it like that. It's not even funny how bad that "change" was. > > > > > > > > > > And i agree, anet should stop listening to complainers and give some love to the unique class they came up with. > > > > > > > > Great minds think alike! Maybe Anet should hire us for mesmer balancing instead! I'll promise our fellow mesmers would love the changes :) > > > > > > > > And for the other players who play the other classes... Get some skills and start using your brains and fingers hahahaha ;D thats what we've done until now! > > > > > > Ha! Indeed! :smile: > > > I totally know what i'd do for changes (mostly), that wouldn't make it op, but would make it more streamlined and less cumbersome to play. > > > > > > Yet, whenever i suggest something or point that something is obviously wrong with the way some skills work (especially compared to comparable skills from other professions), there's people like OP that just troll or at the worst cases people insulting me. Doesn't happen a lot but there is a "trend" there when mesmer players are fine with how skills work and including this thread, i've run into other mesmer players that instulted me for suggesting that wells need a rework because they're not ok. Because that would somehow lower the skill level and that would somehow be bad when in reality - no amount of skill excuses a bad mechanic, especially if it plainly doesn't work in some situations. > > > > > > I think that's the problem, mesmer players don't seem to stick together like other classes do. > > > > > > I mean, why did no one protest mirage dodge loss? That is something that shouldn't have been allowed to happen. To strip a core mechanic to silence complainers. > > > Why is this still a thing? Why can people suggest a change for the better for a mesmer and get laughed at by other mesmers? > > > I mean, it's late and i'm explaining myself poorly but i hope you get what i mean... > > > > > > We need a revolution and a public in game protest lol. But to do that, people actually need to realize that there's a big disconnect between mesmers and other classes and actually want to improve how mesmers play, not spew "elitism" and "ooh you have to be good and an elite player to play mesmer" when in reality, elite players who eat mesmer knowledge and rotations and WvW skills for breakfast aren't even half as effective as other classes pressing 1234567890 in sucecession so there's that argument down the drain. Elite players should be better than everyone else and have an impact that shows how good they are. "Elite mesmers" meanwhile are barely half the impact of other classes for 10x more effort... > > > > > > I'm just salty from all the nerfs, especially because i remember how good mesmers used to be. NOT OP - just good and comfortable to play with a high skill - high reward type of style while being "ok" was exactly that - ok. Now it's more like extreme skill - mediocre reward because over the years, there was nothing seriously balanced in mesmers, just poorly though out nerfs that make no sense, and most of them brought on by complainers that don't even play mesmers. > > > > > > I don't think any class can claim they were nerfed as much as we can lol. And it's unfair and it bothers me. > > > > I actually agree with you and I think we mesmers need to gather up and seriously try to make a change together. I mean complainers got together and managed to get through the nerfs, so we should be able to revert this. We kind of gave up instead and just accepted this nerfs. > > > > Both cronos and mirages changes are awful and I cant even understand how we could let these changes happen without protesting. > > > > Enough is enough! Anet should first of all learn to stand firmly behind what they created and not give after and changing things because people complain cuz they are too lazy to learn the mechanics of the game. > > How do you think people should go about this? Cause i don't really have a clue, i mean, i had the idea to gather mesmers for a protest, but it's anyone's guess if that would work or if someone would even show up or whatever... Or do we just complain on the forums? Does Anet even read those? Or maybe make a comprehensive comparison to comparable situations between mesmer skills and traits, to other classes to kinda "scientifically prove" that mesmers got nerfed too badly? > > But changes to the better are definitely needed. Just don't know how to get Anet to listen. My thought is to use the forums. Maybe like creating new threads on different parts of the forum so chances gets bigger for Anet to see them. Its important that we all try to participate in this since we'll face other players that never wants this change to happen. But I really like the idea of protesting in game aswell!

> @"Veprovina.4876" said: > > @"AshkyLicious.4729" said: > > > @"Veprovina.4876" said: > > > > @"AshkyLicious.4729" said: > > > > > @"Veprovina.4876" said: > > > > > > @"AshkyLicious.4729" said: > > > > > > Ok jokes aside... > > > > > > > > > > > > I think all of us mesmer players compeletly agree on that we oppose on all OPs suggestions in this thread? > > > > > > > > > > > > We tried to discuss this seriously with him/her, didnt work... we even tried to bring it down to OPs level, that didnt neither work. > > > > > > > > > > > > You OP, have proven two thing in this thread: > > > > > > > > > > > > - First of all you're trolling, and you're not good at it. You can say "its easy to say your trolling" but its a fact that you are a troll proven by your own posts. > > > > > > - I think you genuinely want mesmers to stay garbage in this game. This is either because you have a hard time facing them in pvp and wvw, or its because of you having a hard time playing and understanding the mesmer class. That maybe makes you salty towards this class? > > > > > > > > > > > > New ideas and suggestions are always welcome for me, but when you try to deliberately ruin a class like this because of some strange reason, thats not ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest you play with your ranger instead and keep enjoying the game in your way, and let other players enjoy their classes. > > > > > > > > > > That's why i stopped responding like, a page ago... > > > > > The suggestions, if serious, would kill the class and not even anet with how they like to torture mesmers are dumb enough to actually consider those as suggestions because they know that they are imbalanced and would not contribute to anyone "playing mesmers good" or being good at the class. > > > > > Anf if OP is a troll, then it's pointless to respond anyway, they'll just spam their own contrarian stance for the sake of it. Which, from what i have seen in the thread is the case. Any good arguments are just flat out ignored in favor of spamming their own "opinion", and the opinion is taliored to anger people. > > > > > > > > > > Idk if this needs a report, but i'm inclined to believe it does due to how OP responds to anyone's argument with an "argument" that doesn't make sense, and is literally just "no, more nerfs for the sake of it". That smells like trolling and intentional antagonising to me. > > > > > > > > Tot agree with everything you say. Im not a usual poster on the gw2 forum (I read it alot though). but this time I just felt I have to say something, since I've seen how our class just gets destroyed for every released balance update thats been until now. Just tired of all complainers, and Anet nerfing us all the time to make them happy... > > > > > > > > I just hope we mesmers can get a really good balance update that we deserve some day. Restoring mesmers to their formal glory. > > > > > > > > At the end of the day Mesmer is the class thats unique for gw2 as an mmo. Anet should be smart and use it as the USP it is, and nurture the class even more. > > > > > > Yup! It's time for Anet to look at mesmers as a whole and bring them in line with every other class in terms of power, support and usability. Everyone else has got so much more to offer with way less effort. Nerfing has got to stop, and threads like theese aren't helping anyone. > > > > > > I mean, this guy is asking for nerfs on the only class that lost a core mechanic that was present since launch. Mirage lost a dodge in WvW, and it SUCKS to play it like that. It's not even funny how bad that "change" was. > > > > > > And i agree, anet should stop listening to complainers and give some love to the unique class they came up with. > > > > Great minds think alike! Maybe Anet should hire us for mesmer balancing instead! I'll promise our fellow mesmers would love the changes :) > > > > And for the other players who play the other classes... Get some skills and start using your brains and fingers hahahaha ;D thats what we've done until now! > > Ha! Indeed! :smile: > I totally know what i'd do for changes (mostly), that wouldn't make it op, but would make it more streamlined and less cumbersome to play. > > Yet, whenever i suggest something or point that something is obviously wrong with the way some skills work (especially compared to comparable skills from other professions), there's people like OP that just troll or at the worst cases people insulting me. Doesn't happen a lot but there is a "trend" there when mesmer players are fine with how skills work and including this thread, i've run into other mesmer players that instulted me for suggesting that wells need a rework because they're not ok. Because that would somehow lower the skill level and that would somehow be bad when in reality - no amount of skill excuses a bad mechanic, especially if it plainly doesn't work in some situations. > > I think that's the problem, mesmer players don't seem to stick together like other classes do. > > I mean, why did no one protest mirage dodge loss? That is something that shouldn't have been allowed to happen. To strip a core mechanic to silence complainers. > Why is this still a thing? Why can people suggest a change for the better for a mesmer and get laughed at by other mesmers? > I mean, it's late and i'm explaining myself poorly but i hope you get what i mean... > > We need a revolution and a public in game protest lol. But to do that, people actually need to realize that there's a big disconnect between mesmers and other classes and actually want to improve how mesmers play, not spew "elitism" and "ooh you have to be good and an elite player to play mesmer" when in reality, elite players who eat mesmer knowledge and rotations and WvW skills for breakfast aren't even half as effective as other classes pressing 1234567890 in sucecession so there's that argument down the drain. Elite players should be better than everyone else and have an impact that shows how good they are. "Elite mesmers" meanwhile are barely half the impact of other classes for 10x more effort... > > I'm just salty from all the nerfs, especially because i remember how good mesmers used to be. NOT OP - just good and comfortable to play with a high skill - high reward type of style while being "ok" was exactly that - ok. Now it's more like extreme skill - mediocre reward because over the years, there was nothing seriously balanced in mesmers, just poorly though out nerfs that make no sense, and most of them brought on by complainers that don't even play mesmers. > > I don't think any class can claim they were nerfed as much as we can lol. And it's unfair and it bothers me. I actually agree with you and I think we mesmers need to gather up and seriously try to make a change together. I mean complainers got together and managed to get through the nerfs, so we should be able to revert this. We kind of gave up instead and just accepted this nerfs. Both cronos and mirages changes are awful and I cant even understand how we could let these changes happen without protesting. Enough is enough! Anet should first of all learn to stand firmly behind what they created and not give after and changing things because people complain cuz they are too lazy to learn the mechanics of the game.

> @"Veprovina.4876" said: > > @"AshkyLicious.4729" said: > > > @"Veprovina.4876" said: > > > > @"AshkyLicious.4729" said: > > > > Ok jokes aside... > > > > > > > > I think all of us mesmer players compeletly agree on that we oppose on all OPs suggestions in this thread? > > > > > > > > We tried to discuss this seriously with him/her, didnt work... we even tried to bring it down to OPs level, that didnt neither work. > > > > > > > > You OP, have proven two thing in this thread: > > > > > > > > - First of all you're trolling, and you're not good at it. You can say "its easy to say your trolling" but its a fact that you are a troll proven by your own posts. > > > > - I think you genuinely want mesmers to stay garbage in this game. This is either because you have a hard time facing them in pvp and wvw, or its because of you having a hard time playing and understanding the mesmer class. That maybe makes you salty towards this class? > > > > > > > > New ideas and suggestions are always welcome for me, but when you try to deliberately ruin a class like this because of some strange reason, thats not ok. > > > > > > > > I suggest you play with your ranger instead and keep enjoying the game in your way, and let other players enjoy their classes. > > > > > > That's why i stopped responding like, a page ago... > > > The suggestions, if serious, would kill the class and not even anet with how they like to torture mesmers are dumb enough to actually consider those as suggestions because they know that they are imbalanced and would not contribute to anyone "playing mesmers good" or being good at the class. > > > Anf if OP is a troll, then it's pointless to respond anyway, they'll just spam their own contrarian stance for the sake of it. Which, from what i have seen in the thread is the case. Any good arguments are just flat out ignored in favor of spamming their own "opinion", and the opinion is taliored to anger people. > > > > > > Idk if this needs a report, but i'm inclined to believe it does due to how OP responds to anyone's argument with an "argument" that doesn't make sense, and is literally just "no, more nerfs for the sake of it". That smells like trolling and intentional antagonising to me. > > > > Tot agree with everything you say. Im not a usual poster on the gw2 forum (I read it alot though). but this time I just felt I have to say something, since I've seen how our class just gets destroyed for every released balance update thats been until now. Just tired of all complainers, and Anet nerfing us all the time to make them happy... > > > > I just hope we mesmers can get a really good balance update that we deserve some day. Restoring mesmers to their formal glory. > > > > At the end of the day Mesmer is the class thats unique for gw2 as an mmo. Anet should be smart and use it as the USP it is, and nurture the class even more. > > Yup! It's time for Anet to look at mesmers as a whole and bring them in line with every other class in terms of power, support and usability. Everyone else has got so much more to offer with way less effort. Nerfing has got to stop, and threads like theese aren't helping anyone. > > I mean, this guy is asking for nerfs on the only class that lost a core mechanic that was present since launch. Mirage lost a dodge in WvW, and it SUCKS to play it like that. It's not even funny how bad that "change" was. > > And i agree, anet should stop listening to complainers and give some love to the unique class they came up with. Great minds think alike! Maybe Anet should hire us for mesmer balancing instead! I'll promise our fellow mesmers would love the changes :) And for the other players who play the other classes... Get some skills and start using your brains and fingers hahahaha ;D thats what we've done until now!