PrinceValentine.9320

> @"Shroud.2307" said:

> > @"PrinceValentine.9320" said:

> > > @"Shroud.2307" said:

> > > > @"PrinceValentine.9320" said:

> > > > I'm no newbie in WvW and PvP. I got my dragon finisher in 2016 before pvp rank has not been buffed yet. I can play any class, be it meta or non-meta. Bad players are bad no matter what class or build they play.

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> > > You sure talk like a newbie for claiming not to be one.

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> > > Your rank, your kills, and your general stats mean little. They are indicative of your experience, not your skill.

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> > > What guild do you rep or command now? I'd like to know so I can show you the ways you're wrong in the future.

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> > Yeah right. Tell me how to mouse-click my skills and do better. Dude, just kitten. You guys are making this about me when it's not. You guys are just a bunch of forum warriors and I haven't even heard of any of you IG. Such diehards.

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> > PS. It was fun knocking you guys off to T4 last week and now you're being wrecked by my former server. Such skills.

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> Who's "you guys"? It's only me that's calling you out after you condescended about the greatness of your server and your experience.

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> I haven't heard of you either, so... Feeling's mutual I guess.

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> Oh yes, we're being wrecked so hard by the big bad PPT. It's weird how CD and DH have several active guilds running nightly, often attached at the hip, and yet they can't save their KDR. The only thing carrying them to victory are map Q's at 5AM EST that ktrain unopposed, because when there are even half the numbers in resistance they need a few dozen tries to capture anything.

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> It's Christmas for most of North America by the way. Populations are going to be particularly volatile for a while. I don't doubt we'll stay lower in tiers, but I'd try not to be too proud of "knocking us off" considering the circumstances.

Yeah right and so you think the upcoming holiday only applies to your server. The thing is you are now on T4 and still losing . Any opinion you give out about you not winning is purely insubstantial.

Have you ever been to SoS? Like legit transferred here or to their linked server? Guilds here are welcoming and friendly to WvW'ers, that's why most people transfer to their relinked server to fight with them. There is actually a commander here that gives out warning to members who display bad manners like throwing siege to a dead enemy or jumping repetitively on their dead body. Have fun being stuck to lower tier for being so exclusive while enemy rangers kill your necros like there's no tomorrow. Lol

Off-topic: Say hi to Dark Jean for me if she still commands for Devona's Rest. It was a lot of fun being one of her co-commanders before with her guild.

> @"Shroud.2307" said:

> > @"PrinceValentine.9320" said:

> > I'm no newbie in WvW and PvP. I got my dragon finisher in 2016 before pvp rank has not been buffed yet. I can play any class, be it meta or non-meta. Bad players are bad no matter what class or build they play.

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> You sure talk like a newbie for claiming not to be one.

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> Your rank, your kills, and your general stats mean little. They are indicative of your experience, not your skill.

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> What guild do you rep or command now? I'd like to know so I can show you the ways you're wrong in the future.

Yeah right. Tell me how to mouse-click my skills and do better. Dude, just stfu. You guys are making this about me when it's not. You guys are just a bunch of forum warriors and I haven't even heard of any of you IG. Such diehards.

PS. It was fun knocking you guys off to T4 last week and now you're being wrecked by my former server. Such skills.

> @"Henrik.7560" said:

> I find it hilarious people think their bearbow spirit rangers actually contribute to wvw, especially when they don't join coms. You realize why people enforce discord, don't you? It's so that a group with limitted numbers can coordinate synergized movements or damage spikes to take down an opposing threatening group.

> Yes, if you want to follow a Sea of Sorrows ocx commander, you don't need discord to follow 60 people taking empty towers from 3 defenders. In real hours like NA prime or SEA there's guild groups and blobs to fight, and commanders that enforce discord usually do so because they want to fight, not run around on the red bl smacking doors. What good are you in a fight if you can't hear the call for fake push, go left, spike now, etc? Nothing. You will just die on inc and not only that, kill teammates trying to res you or waste their cooldowns, you are better off not in the squad. Maybe if you're experienced enough on a weaver/rev then you can kinda do your own thing and follow without coms but those bearbow/spirit rangers complaining that people kick them or enforce discord... you need to realize its because you are a negative contribution for playing a bad build but not putting in effort to join the coms.

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> I don't understand why this shocks people, if you go into a PvE raid on a soldier ele or a magi thief you will get kicked, or if you just simply refuse to join coms when you aren't experienced, its the same kinda thing in WvW fight-based groups. Stop being so selfish and run something useful and join coms if you want to be let into fight groups. If you don't care for fights, tag up on the red BL on your spirit ranger and go enjoy yourself there.

Empty towers? Lol. Bana is a small guild? about 40 members running around WvW is small, I guess. They just kept dying from a pug squad of only about 30 members most of the times. You think it's a big squad because you lost. It's ok. Most people have that kind of mindset. I commanded in Devona's Rest along with Kyros Guild when it was still active. I'm no newbie in WvW and PvP. I got my dragon finisher in 2015 before pvp rank has not been buffed yet. I can play any class, be it meta or non-meta. Bad players are bad no matter what class or build they play.

> > SoS is currently dominating on T2 NA. This is not a tier for inexperienced zergs, they will be annihilated here really fast.

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> cannot tell how that works in NA, but in EU tiers basically mean nothing at all about how good a server is. literally nothing. the t3 servers are absolutely weak, t4 wasn't hard either, t5 only bc we had WSR to fight, basically the best fighting groups in the whole zone.

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> then again, guilds hop servers all the time, it's just random which server/link gets better.

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> so again, i highly doubt that really the tier = ppt score tells u anything about quality, it's just plain quantity. Wvw lives in a constant population imbalance.

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> also... u think ranger is good in any kind and seem to think cloudy formation is most legit? clouding is only if the server lacks tags and if the people aren't capable to play proper things. or if u lack numbers quite hard, so that u cannot do anything else but trying to kite things down. that's rather a "sh*ts cooking" and red alert signal from weak servers.

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it's only good if you know how to play it. i run a support/condi build that can share burning, might and protection to the squad and has immobilize, can blast healing spring for condi cleanse and stun/daze for fleeing enemies. my build has 3.3k toughness that no zerk enemy can burst down. look at FA, they are like the worst crybabies when it comes to rangers being on thier squad yet their chrono commander gets easily isolated, killed and cries on Map Chat after. i play Firebrand more than I play ranger in wvw. If you can't accept my ranger on your squad, don't expect any support from my FB as well. For a server to be powerful, it has to be friendly towards WvW players, be it a veteran or a newbie. If they want help, you help them, if they want to play a certain class let them, they will know eventually what works for them best.

Closed squads are there because they are too selfish to share their boons/stab while non-members practically can share their boons to them. Their commanders will spam on chat to follow them so they can get supply and once they get wiped they'll start crying on chat. They are the most annoying groups in WvW. Once I get to a server plagued with these kinds of squads, I transfer immediately.

> For instance SoS is dominating T2, yeah. They also have the highest population during OCX and SEA. BG is the only one close to that activity and let's be honest they have coverage at most times anyway. You have numbers and can afford to have a not entirely comp'd group and farm that score over night. There's nothing wrong with that, that's what people on that server enjoy. Take a different server like FA, they have one of the highest PPk% at 27% right now (NA that is, not sure on EU) . That's an entirely different playstyle. They focus on fighting/PPK and with potentially smaller numbers rely on their comp more. Still nothing wrong with that either, they enjoy fighting. However if they are gonna catch flak for their playstyle, have people hinder their fun well why not private/close tag/require comms? That is their choice, just as it is your choice to bring a character that doesn't offer anything to their group synergy/playstyle and not work together or support/encourage them.

FA, has the worst guilds when it comes to open-field fights. They are one of the most boring servers to fight. Btw, I main Firebrand most of the time, but since the squad I am currently enjoying running with, has a scattered style of attacking the enemy, bunker shortbow ranger is possibly the best to bring.

> @"kamikharzeeh.8016" said:

> because half of the "coordinated guilds" are plain newbies and need at least 1 year to become a serious guild group. @"PrinceValentine.9320" also u just describe a plain cloud... every serious zerg group just either ignores, sustains or disengages. clouding works if "zergs" contain too many newbies or bad sets. plus the clouds these days sometimes even outnumber the zergs.

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> i also notice too many hidden tag runs lately. makes it very hard for pugs, even if u know your kitten, to get content. hidden groups only work against uncoordinated enemies, as they usually aren't bigger then ~30ish, but can beat even bigger groups.

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> hidden tags are sadly necessary. pugs, especially those on ranger/thief etc often run with pets, minis, golem runes, mounted up or other kitten inside or nearby a stealthing guildgroup.... and mess up a guild groups stealth. if u reveal a stealth push, it'll just fail. this is the reason for closed groups and further for hidden tags.

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> it's needed only bc many people refuse to learn Wvw and don't contribute, rather try to make the experience worse for everyone. there's clowns who fake-tag in the same color and reveal your group by throwing siege or mess up blasting etc.

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> also yeah, groups on voice are easily 500% more effective in fights at least. opentags only work with big numbers and ideally experienced players on good pugclasses, who also know what they do without commands.

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> we're currently (t3 EU atm) this matchup is pure chaos. two hardcore ppt servers without serious fighting groups 24/7 zergsize clouds of them. it's just boring to fight that.

SoS is currently dominating on T2 NA. This is not a tier for inexperienced zergs, they will be annihilated here really fast.

I usually play with a pug squad in SoS, and let me tell you this, we have been defeating enemies coordinated guilds over and over. This squad doesn't even require their members to run meta classes. Somethimes, I play on my spirit ranger and they don't give a s*** as long as I can deliver. They don't have any complaints and I don't have one myself. And this squad doesn't move like a school of fish that ordinary squad does. We attack from all sides of the enemy zerg.

> @"Kylden Ar.3724" said:

> > @"ArchonWing.9480" said:

> > Ah yes. That kind of guild. They pretend their servermates don't exist until they have a use for them. It's not very smart to shun people and then demand their help 5 minutes later after you 1-push into another group of similar size, but that's just me!

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> > Any guild that cannot function because they can't queue the map is not worth the space.

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> Same treatment JQ has been giving KN since the re-link. Do nothing but badmouth us in team chat, then complain when we don't come to their calls for help.

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> Sorry, if you are going to act like you don't want us there, we will pick our own objectives to defend or take. OG Kaineng had to perfect havoc teams and fighting outnumbered long before links, and we can continue to do that without you.

I felt the same way when I was linked to FA. Left IOJ just after 2 days of being linked to that horrible server. They aren't even that good. Lol.

> @"Ashantara.8731" said:

> > @"PrinceValentine.9320" said:

> > I mostly play Firebrand when I am with a squad. I noticed that this squad that I play with has very few firebrands although they are very good as a pug and I sometimes play as a ranger and they never run out of rangers.

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> That is weird. Ranger isn't a squad class.

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> Anyway, as explained by others, the fact that you are getting significantly less loot, less XP, and are constantly doing the same routine rather than participating in the action per se is less attractive to many.

The commander is very tolerant towards people who like to play the class that they like. I even transferred to their linked server because of how friendly they are unlike other squads that are so "exclusive" and would bash the heck out of you by playing a non-meta class. I used to command in Devona's Rest (Kyros Guild) and I was like that commander. I ran with an open squad and I even commanded on my Ranger but I think that was back in 2016 when Spirit Ranger was really strong. I think commanders should always be friendly to encourage people to play WvW and although there are some shortcomings from the squad, it can still be fixed because everyone will be doing their best to win the fights.

I mostly play Firebrand when I am with a squad. I noticed that this squad that I play with has very few firebrands although they are very good as a pug and I sometimes play as a ranger and they never run out of rangers. We win most of our fights even though we only have like two or three firebrands in our squad. Just today, the commanded suggested to the squad to practice playing metaclasses now that we are moving up and a lot of the squad members said that they find Firebrand very boring. I wonder why people think Firebrand is boring. What do you guys think?

I don't want less zerg but I do want big servers like Blackgate to stop being linked to other servers. I think they can manage on their own and having them linked is just ridiculous.

I mostly play Firebrand when I am with a squad. I noticed that this squad that I play with has very few firebrands although they are very good as a pug and I sometimes play as a ranger and they never run out of rangers. We win most of our fights eventhough we only have like two or three firebrands in our squad. Just today, the commanded suggested to the squad to practice playing metaclasses now that we are moving up and a lot of the squad members said that they find Firebrand very boring. I wonder why people think Firebrand is boring. What do you guys think?

> @"ugrakarma.9416" said:

> if u are really allergic to PVE and like combat, must play PVP seasons so,, wvw is really the least profitable game mode...............

> im low skill Pvper, if consider yourself skilled u can even try tournaments.

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> https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/PvP_League

Done with PVP. I already had the Legendary Champion before the boost in rank levelling. I played pvp for the first two years that I have played GW2.

> @"Strider Pj.2193" said:

> I am going to try to answer the question asked and assume that the OP wants to play WvW because they enjoy it and wants to be efficient making gold while they are there. My answer is by no means the ‘best’ answer, though it is the best for me:

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> > @"Solanum.6983" said:

> > WvW is the least profitable game mode. Rewards are timegated to tracks that progress every 5 minutes so your Gold per hour is pretty low.

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> > That said, If you want to get the best value for your time I'd suggest the Gift of Battle reward Track with Boosters if you have any and WvW Reward Track Enrichment. That's pretty much all you can do.

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> This poster gave a good answer to the question.

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> I would add that if you run with a Zerg, bring a build that allows for tagging multiple enemies, but also sits mostly within the meta. This will allow you to be included in the Zerg by commanders and decreases your chances of getting pulled out.

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> That build could easily be one of the scourge builds, or a Herald. There are others, but generally you will get a spot in most open squads. This will lead to more heavy loot bags and other drops.

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> Second thing is to tag the guards of any structure you pass. This will increase your WxP leading to rank gains, and rank chests..

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> Get most nodes you come across. With a scourge build, it can be easy to be left behind, but this is less of a problem with mounts.

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> Lastly, enjoy it.... Have fun in WvW. Join discord (or teamspeak), even if you don’t talk, the banter can be both annoying and funny. Don’t get offended. Honestly, this makes the ‘gold per hour’ worth it.

I mostly play a Firebrand, not sure if that is a good class to use to tag multiple enemies. I prefer playing support instead of dps during blob fights but I switch to ranger for roaming.

I will use the gold to transfer to a good server, possibly SoS. They were very friendly when were linked to them.

I sold some stuff that I have in my inventory and I wonder what stuff that I should sell and keep or should I start crafting to earn more gold? Can you guys give me some techniques on how to earn gold for someone who only do WvW? Thanks.

i just hope they change the druid skill sounds. it's so annoying, other than that, i think it's a solid class for wvw.

> @"Solanum.6983" said:

> I like spirits, It's a shame them being stationary makes them next to useless in WvW where Battles are constantly moving and anything standing still gets aoe spammed and dies quickly.

Yeah, I really like them. They give offensive and defensive buffs to allies nearby and that AOE Rez comes really in handy. Too bad Anet decided to nerf them to become stationary. Anet should not had touched them in WvW, the cries were only from SPvP anyway. And there is something about Druid that don't really click for me, maybe the sound that it makes.

I still don't understand this nerf. Why not just nerf the ability of the mirage to create clones after dodging but just 1 dodge? Lol. Idk what anet was thinking.

> @"Lan Deathrider.5910" said:

> Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't Spirits stationary? If so they are of no help really in a blob fight. Go full on spirits on the Keep and Tower lords sure, that is PvE after all. I do recall that the little guys moved at launch. Maybe its a good idea for them to be mobile again? They really aren't that game breaking outside of having to potentially render 50*7 sprites when the Ranger Blob crests the hill...

They were moving before but a lot of people relentlessly asked the dev's to nerf the Spirit Ranger. It was only overpowered in PVP. I don't get it why Anet decided to include the nerf to WvW too. Just weird. Anyway, when you activate the spirit, they will teleport to the ranger's current location. They can provide chill, blind, cripple and burst damage so they are not completely useless. You can summon them from a safe place and activate them once you are in the middle of the blob but it requires the ranger to go for a tanky condi build to be effective.

Prior to nerf, they were practically unusable in blob fights but was extremely strong in 1v1. I like the fact that the Elite Spirit now provides stability which can be helpful when fighting a lord inside a keep to avoid knockback, fear and other cc's but during blob fights it is close to being useless so I just switch it to Entangle. I still use the other small spirit trees to proc their condi's with my shortbow.

PS:

I just don't like it that there is no change with the attitude of a lot of commanders toward Rangers. One time, I was on my Firebrand and when I switched to my Ranger, the commander called me out and demanded me to switch back to FB, when we are lacking any kiting potential. They were really into moving like a school of fish and the enemies were attacking us from all directions. And I don't think I will be reflecting any of my damage back to them because I was not using a Longbow.

Dev:

Can you please move it to Rangers? Thank you.

Prior to nerf, they were practically unusable in blob fights but was extremely strong in 1v1. I like the fact that the Elite Spirit now provides stability which can be helpful when fighting a lord inside a keep to avoid knockback, fear and other cc's but during blob fights it is close to being useless so I just switch it to Entangle. I still use the other small spirit trees to proc their condi's with my shortbow.

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I just don't like it that there is no change with the attitude of a lot of commanders toward Rangers. One time, I was on my Firebrand and when I switched to my Ranger, the commander called me out and demanded me to switch back to FB, when we are lacking any kiting potential. They were really into moving like a school of fish and the enemies were attacking us from all directions. And I don't think I will be reflecting any of my damage back to them because I was not using a Longbow.

Dev:

Can you please move it to Rangers? Thank you.

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> "what a larger group of people want"

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> Can we bring up all the people that have quit the game because of lack of balance around anything but a full squad then?

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> It's really ironic that you're acting all 'rational' and high and mighty because your way of playing WvW is the 'right' and 'intended' way, when blobbing in 10FPS fights is what brings the servers to their knees for entire maps. Whatever though, have fun playing your slideshow 'epic battle'. I suggest Microsoft PowerPoint next time you want to play a similar game.

Quit? Lol. So you want to quit too? Noone is stopping you. Make sure the door doesn't hit you on your way out.

> @"Spartacus.3192" said:

> > @"PrinceValentine.9320" said:

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> > i dont know what exactly you are suggesting. Do you want anet to nerf blog fighting in favor to your preferred small group fights? Small group fights only cater to a really small number of players in WvW. It makes me sad that there are people who think they can demand something that opposes to what the majority prefer.

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> I merely mentioned a method that could be used to discourage blob fight in response to the original post. Nowhere did i "DEMAND" it. But hey reading is hard i guess.

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> SMH that's why i kinda stopped posting on this forum on a regular basis. I'm done with this thread.

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So you want anet to discourage blob fighting? Because you don't like it? Well, I like it and so do many others. As what other people already said here, WvW was created for bigger fights that PvP does not offer. If you want to roam the map with your friends, noone is stopping you but you can't ask for the dev's to "discourage" what a larger group of people want. You are sounding like a GW2 version of Karen. Seriously, be more rational.

> @"Spartacus.3192" said:

> > @"PrinceValentine.9320" said:

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> > I think what he is saying is that if you want small group fights, you should play PvP instead.

> > I used to play PvP a lot, for about more than a year with no playing any other game mode, this was before Spirit Ranger was nerfed and no bots recorded yet and then I started playing in WvW and liked it, and I even have a commander tag now, commanding blobs every now and then. WvW requires a different playstyle and it offers a different kind of fun. If I didn't like big zerg fight, I would just leave this game mode and return to PVP, but I did and I still am enjoying it. WvW is for big zerg fighting and if you would ask me if there's anything that can be done to make it more fun, is to make blob fights even bigger.

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> I know what he is saying . What i am saying is anyone who thinks small group wvw fighting is the same as pvp probably hasnt done either. Its COMPLETELY different.

> Small group wvw with custom stats/builds only available in wvw where you can use mobility, terrain better LOS, vs 5 man capture point with dumbed down template system.

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> I came to wvw from pvp because i HATE the stupid amulet system and capture point game mode. In wvw i get to test a more varied gear setup in a big map that doesnt force me to stand on point.

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> I will repeat. There is whole world of game play that fits in between the pvp system and 50 man blob fights.

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> Makes me sad when i hear people that can only think in extremes. ie: WVW is 50 man blob, PVP is small group.

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i dont know what exactly you are suggesting. Do you want anet to nerf blog fighting in favor to your preferred small group fights? Small group fights only cater to a really small number of players in WvW. It makes me sad that there are people who think they can demand something that opposes to what the majority prefer.