Zinzon.4081

> @"Dadnir.5038" said: > It's not that ele's staff is bad, it's that the gameplay it offer isn't adapted to sPvP "needs" and "mentality". It's design would work well in a siege war where you can actually hide behind walls or a line of meat shields (WvW in a nutshell). > > I'd say that one of the thing that hurt the most elementalist's weapons is that most are designed to facilitate a gameplay that rely on fields and finishers, yet field/finisher combo has long been left into the dust by efficient traits and utility skills. And yet it takes 3/4 a sec to cast a skills and alot of them takes time before they do their damage. It makes the weapon really clunky or you must have a serious big brain to predict movement of person. One can use himself as bait but its far from being enough with the many dash/teleport/mobility meta.

Also auto misses all the time despite de animation clearly hitting them. It just says "miss" as long as they move even in constant direction...

> @"ollbirtan.2915" said: > You know, you can always add that cleanse skill on your skill bar. Just saying. Thats cleanse cripple or vuln? Yeah thanks for the suggestion! You bring alot to the conversation! Smh

> @"Kuma.1503" said: > > @"Zinzon.4081" said: > > > @"Kuma.1503" said: > > > > @"Zinzon.4081" said: > > > > > @"Kuma.1503" said: > > > > > _For all tests, highest number of poison stacks is recorded even if it only appears for a split second._ > > > > > > > > > > Poison Grenade (No doom sigil) - 9 stacks > > > > > > > > > > _All tests below done with Scavenging Rune and Venom + Doom sigils. Also running thermal vision for +60 expertise_ > > > > > > > > > > Poison Grenade (Doom sigil) - 10 stacks > > > > > > > > > > Poison Grenade + Opponent standing on Poison Gas Shell = 14 stacks > > > > > > > > > > **Poison Grenade + Opponent Standing on Poison Gas Shell and Chemical Field = 18 stacks** > > > > > > > > > > Poison Grenade + Poison Dart Volley = 15 stacks > > > > > > > > > > Poison Grenade + Poison Dart Volley + Fumigate = 20 stacks > > > > > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > > And just for fun > > > > > > > > > > Poison Grenade + Poison Dart Volley + Fumigate + Opponent standing on 2 poison fields = 27 stacks of poison > > > > > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > > > > > > > **Verdict: Maybe do not afk in the green circles if you do not want 18 stacks of poison on you.** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Verdict: 9 poison 1 skill throw + field ticking maybe overtune... > > > > > > You stated 18 stacks not 9 > > > > > > Even then, It's 18 stacks of poison that takes roughly ~5 seconds to kill with no cleanse, and that's on a condi build designed to gain maximum value out of poison. All of this assuming the victim of the poison bomb goes afk in 2 AoEs and gets hit by every grenade. > > > > > > Simply utilizing WASD keys should be sufficient to prevent death from happening. Worst case scenario, mistakes are made. 5 seconds is plenty of time to react and cleanse the condi burst. > > > > > > In this hypothetical scenario, the player misplayed in 3 different ways and died to an off meta build. Seems like a reasonable outcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 18 from 1 skill only btw 9 stacks from 1 attack. Not balanced at all. The only thing that can stack up to that level (9 stacks) is like snake trap if you stand in it. And grenade toss at your feet is instant you cannot avoid 9 immediate stacks. > > > > Btw plz stop defending this design you look so biased... Like it was healthy for a game to have this much reward this low skills. > > > > Let me try to understand you better. > > You're saying "18 stacks from 1 skill" Are you implying that the engi hit you with 2 poison nades? (9 x 2 = 18). If so the scenario you laid out is impossible. 10.25 seconds of poison with 34% poison duration on a 25 second cooldown. > > I made my post in attempt to figure out what the engineer did to you to get 18 stacks of poison on you. Asuming he didn't have help from another player, He would have either had to land several skills on you (one of which involves running an underperforming weapon in the mainhand) or you stood in 2 poison fields and ate the poison nade. > > Lets start there. What exactly did the engineer do to you that resulted in 18 poison stacks? Thats the beauty if it! I don't know! I got hit by poison grenade point blank and might stayed 1sec max in it! He was not using pistol main hand too!

> @"Kuma.1503" said: > > @"Zinzon.4081" said: > > > @"Kuma.1503" said: > > > _For all tests, highest number of poison stacks is recorded even if it only appears for a split second._ > > > > > > Poison Grenade (No doom sigil) - 9 stacks > > > > > > _All tests below done with Scavenging Rune and Venom + Doom sigils. Also running thermal vision for +60 expertise_ > > > > > > Poison Grenade (Doom sigil) - 10 stacks > > > > > > Poison Grenade + Opponent standing on Poison Gas Shell = 14 stacks > > > > > > **Poison Grenade + Opponent Standing on Poison Gas Shell and Chemical Field = 18 stacks** > > > > > > Poison Grenade + Poison Dart Volley = 15 stacks > > > > > > Poison Grenade + Poison Dart Volley + Fumigate = 20 stacks > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > And just for fun > > > > > > Poison Grenade + Poison Dart Volley + Fumigate + Opponent standing on 2 poison fields = 27 stacks of poison > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > > > **Verdict: Maybe do not afk in the green circles if you do not want 18 stacks of poison on you.** > > > > > > > > > > > > > Verdict: 9 poison 1 skill throw + field ticking maybe overtune... > > You stated 18 stacks not 9 > > Even then, It's 18 stacks of poison that takes roughly ~5 seconds to kill with no cleanse, and that's on a condi build designed to gain maximum value out of poison. All of this assuming the victim of the poison bomb goes afk in 2 AoEs and gets hit by every grenade. > > Simply utilizing WASD keys should be sufficient to prevent death from happening. Worst case scenario, mistakes are made. 5 seconds is plenty of time to react and cleanse the condi burst. > > In this hypothetical scenario, the player misplayed in 3 different ways and died to an off meta build. Seems like a reasonable outcome. > > > > > > 18 from 1 skill only btw 9 stacks from 1 attack. Not balanced at all. The only thing that can stack up to that level (9 stacks) is like snake trap if you stand in it. And grenade toss at your feet is instant you cannot avoid 9 immediate stacks. Btw plz stop defending this design you look so biased... Like it was healthy for a game to have this much reward this low skills.

> @"Kuma.1503" said: > _For all tests, highest number of poison stacks is recorded even if it only appears for a split second._ > > Poison Grenade (No doom sigil) - 9 stacks > > _All tests below done with Scavenging Rune and Venom + Doom sigils. Also running thermal vision for +60 expertise_ > > Poison Grenade (Doom sigil) - 10 stacks > > Poison Grenade + Opponent standing on Poison Gas Shell = 14 stacks > > **Poison Grenade + Opponent Standing on Poison Gas Shell and Chemical Field = 18 stacks** > > Poison Grenade + Poison Dart Volley = 15 stacks > > Poison Grenade + Poison Dart Volley + Fumigate = 20 stacks > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > And just for fun > > Poison Grenade + Poison Dart Volley + Fumigate + Opponent standing on 2 poison fields = 27 stacks of poison > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > **Verdict: Maybe do not afk in the green circles if you do not want 18 stacks of poison on you.** > > > Verdict: 9 poison 1 skill throw + field ticking maybe overtune...

> @"Burnfall.9573" said: > Thief Profession and Ranger Profession are the only Professions designed to access high output of Poison conditions. How does any other Profession have access to put output high poison condition damage? > > -18 stack is indeed excessive and out of place - It's with only the poison grenade throw too. It's definitely out of place and a design concern... And last long enough to be concerned. It's 18 stack 1 sec. It's 18 stack for like 5 sec it's just soooo oppresive! With all other nade performing similarly its just skilless and too effective to spam nades.