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> > > > > > Cellofrag's build is for WvW. It won't have great burst for open world play. Celestial, zealot, marshal. It's all low damage and the strategy relies on healing, which is a further damage loss. You're better off using toughness/vitality so you can stay on offense and keep dealing damage. However, there aren't any power-based stats other than marauder that can stack toughness or vitality without sacrificing a ton of damage. Hybrid doesn't work well either as you're forced to take from one damage type to support the other, resulting in lower damage overall.
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> > > > > > What spec were you playing that you couldn't burst well with Trailblazer? Maybe try sword weaver. It has amazing burst even if you run pure condi stats. Here's a quick burst demo. You can see I ramp up to over 10k burn tick by the 3 second mark and over 20k by 5 seconds, averaging out to 16.2k DPS on a 7 second kill. This is in mostly Dire gear with a few pieces of Trailblazer. How much burst do you need?
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> > > > > > Here's another video demonstrating how you can keep your damage up with this build without rotating to water even against tough opponents. If you can time your evades well, toughness/vitality will take the edge off the damage you do take, allowing you to stay in there dealing damage. If you start kiting around and healing, you're going to deal no damage and prolong the fight.
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> > > > > > Build Link: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PGgAw2lZwmYXMJmJOKXdvaA-zRRYcRDHHZQjlROJQmFgDzSVSbA-e
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> > > > > If really looking for a condition build, condition firebrand can do same or even better burst damage, with a bit more range, better cleave and easier to use than weaver.
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> > > > > The only disadvantage of it against condition weaver is no evade frame, and less mobility, and less direct damage mitigation. But on compensation have instant cast aegis, and way better group utility.
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> > > > > No offense, I like weaver really much too. I use it to do cms+t4 every day and clear raid weekly. Just saying the fact here.
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> > > > None taken. But this is the elementalist topic, so firebrand didn't seem particularly relevant to the discussion. ;)
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> > > It is more of another answer from me to ask for a buff to ele, actually. :/
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> > There's definitely something to be said about ele having to work harder to produce results that other classes can manage just rolling face across keyboard.
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> The difference is that Ele is nearly invulnerable when played properly, which is why its designed that way. Its the only class that can be set up and trained to play without dying at any point except by being completely overwhelmed.
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I think you are talking about WvW ele who take mist form etc. things.
If you are talking about PVP, then weaver was nearly invulnerable point holder in the past :o But nerfed very long ago.
In open world PVE it is absolutely not invulnerable.. Far less so than renegade, condi herald, minion reaper etc. Also it really lacks range damage. Only scepter, warhorn, staff can do it, but each has very obvious shortcomings. (Mainly slow proc and too static and slowly expanding field)
Also I said earlier something about thief. Here is a [image ](https://postimg.cc/PpsvkwnK) of using deadeye thief to do TD meta like walking in a park. Super strong life siphon and range damage. Kinda sucks when surrounded by mobs but can take a shortbow to cleave and run away.
