Sunit.1698

And to add, most of the bots I came across were not F2P. They were scourges, scrapper or mirage. Hell I have even seen weaver bots. In fact i do not think i have seen an f2p account botting. F2P have restrictions on trading post and mailing anyway, the one setting up the bot wouldn't gain much farming pvp on a f2p account unless they intend to buy key for it later. So banning F2P may help with hacking maybe, but definitely wouldn't help with botting much.

You both have taken my thread and made a complete salad out of it. 1. I am not trying to discuss match manipulation here. 2. Neither am I trying to discuss fractals or other pve farms here. I do t4s daily, I make decent gold doing what I do in my casual play time. The issue I am trying to discuss isn't that. I do not think that pvp rewards should be nerfed, it's not that it pays a lot, it is the fact that you can create a new account and easily farm it whereas you can't just get into fractals like that. Win or lose you are bound to get something whereas in fractals you can't do that. Point being it is not that the rewards from pvp is too high, it is the fact that it is really easy to get into. Reducing the reward will make the already diminishing pvp population even lower. And I really do not have any clue what makes you think that botting is match manipulation or is related to MMR in any way. People who bot aren't match manipulating or win trading. They are just farming the gold while being afk. I mentioned that I have noticed people with titles like LNHB and raid titles botting. They aren't match manipulating, they just set up the bot to farm pvp offline.

> @"georgessj.4198" said: > > @"Sunit.1698" said: > > Why isn't arenanet doing anything about the bots scene dominating sPvP this season? I have been playing pvp for long and yes, bots were there since ages but this season it just seems to be a bot fest off hours. I usually play off hours and I have had 2 games in a row where everyone except me and 1 other person were bots. > > > > I can post a picture here with screen names and you can see that these people have had about 800-1200 games just this season but I know that is against the rules. However at this point I have no clue what to do for arenanet to actually take any sort of action on botting and hacking. This is not the first time, I have been reporting the same people for about 2-3 seasons now and they are still botting. Arenanet recently made a post saying that every report is checked by people, is it a joke? I have been reporting these people for ages, why are they still around botting? > > > > The neglect for the mode is disgusting, seriously do something, anything, because at this point I think I should totally give up on the mode because I can't play around reset and every match I play has at least 4-5 bots. > > Well its not that hard to imagine why there are bots farming 24/7 since early seasons with tens of thousands reports on their backs.I will give you a hint the botting tool isnt free. I dunno, but even after all the neglect and my reports leading to nothing I don't want to believe that the real reason arenanet isn't banning players from botting is that they are the ones selling botting tool. If that gets confirmed I'm quitting this game.

> @"Sileeent.5861" said: > The question is, if you remove all bots from sPVP, how many real players are left? I just try to understand it logically somehow. As a programmer, I'm 100% sure that bots can be completely removed from sPVP. But the fact that bots have been in sPVP for years, as if they were welcome guests. I mean, nothing is done against bots in sPVP. So I could really imagine that Anet leaves the bots in, because without them the population would decrease too much, which ultimately leads to longer queues or even to endless queues, and a completely dead game. But the big problem with this theory is that it would then even be likely that the bots could even come from Anet themselves. > > Complot or fact, we'll never know! But the bot problem has been around for how many years without any solution? Normally, these problems should always be in focus of a company as these are guests who consume resources without paying rent and in doing so they usually even make potential paying customers unhappy. From a purely logical point of view, there must be a reason for this permanent problem, and no, ignorance won't be the reason. The number of players would be less and probably too low at off hours. True. But the games may be better and you actually enjoy pvp. I started playing pvp about 3 n 1/2 years back when I was ranked gold 1 my first season, my play times were same and yet there were less bots and the games were fun. Or maybe i had no clue of bots or how to recognize them then. For past 2 seasons or so whenever I play half of them are bots. I may be wrong and not get what you're saying correctly, but I think you're confusing bots with programs or accounts which just play pvp etc No, these are real accounts by people, they use botting program to just queue ranked and play while afk. The bot program queues and just keeps farming ranked rewards. This is the reason I said that i am seeing players with LNHB title and megilandil mentioned he saw person with 40k AP botting. Why would arenanet put bots with this much AP or titles if it was just to balance the pvp queues? In fact I saw a person with "the key of adhashim" title. That is no bot program, it is a human playing at times and utilizing the account and then setting up a bot program to queue and farm ranked games. I reported him...but I know arenanet would not do anything about it. Other than that do you think it's fair that these people farm afk and get all the mats and stuff at the same time ruining the game for legit players like me in ranked?

> @"Huskyboy.1053" said: > I don't know if there are all that many bots, a lot of them are just PvE players. I always ask people if they are a bot before I report them no matter how bad they're playing, and I almost always get a sarcastic or sincere response. So frankly I think the issue might be more that PvP is pulling in a boatload of really bad players who are only there for the rewards. The nice thing would be for Anet to nerf rewards for people who lose. They are bots, I'm serious. You probably play around reset where I don't find that many. I play OCX time on weekdays and every match has at least 4-5 bots. And that's the least, may be more if the time clashes with any metas like auric basin or TD. I know for certain because they all move on the same line, will go to same places together, always have offline statue. They aren't bad when it comes to skills rotation. Trust me I have seen mirage bots who would attack you within 0.1 sec the moment you come out of stealth even if you are behind them. They are bots right..they beat human reaction speed. But map rotation or in general if you stand on a kite spot they will be stuck. The reason I am posting in forums because it has really been a bot fiesta off hours this season and it's not just new accounts. I see players with titles like LNHB who just run offline and have set up bots to farm ranked off hours. You can tell they are botting because they would all move in the same line together apart from combat, all match long. As I said, I can post names here. All these accounts have 800-1200 games this season. So they are either botting or sleeping during queues.