Vasdamas Anklast.1607

For each one of the specializations(legends) revenant gets 1 less utility skill, while other classes have 4 utility skills which they can freely swap around whenever they want to. This kills variety, makes class too predictable and essentially makes revenant boring to play comparing to piano-like engineer. Personally, after playing this game for two years and learning more about other classes, coming back to my main class always left me confused as If I am playing a rip-off of a class.

Did Anet ever comment why we are missing 4th utility skills while penalizing class with heavy energy management? Does anyone feel the same way?

Go get into melee range with this shit while playing some other class (not spellbreaker) on WvW and you will know why. Before an excuse was Necro has no mobility, now it's no longer an excuse. I am looking forward to it's nerf.

Yes, thank you Anet for Renegade. Renegade opened my eyes, before it's release I could only feel a distant glimpse of how flawed, unfinished and crippled revenant is. Like a patched cotton doll with missing eye and limb(s). No wonder no new class was released with this expansion after revenant's experience.

However, I still wish Anet would stop ignoring this issue and push a rework for this class, after all feedback it received: 4th utility skill, energy system revamp and maybe 1 more weapon (GS please q.q). But knowing that Anet either doesn't want or can't hear us that won't happen.

> @"Arricson Krei.9560" said:

> I'm actually finding success with Renegade in WvW but my build is set up for large scale

I once used selfmade apothecary Ventari build (with yellow gear) before any buffs to any core rev specs for large scale. It worked. Conclusion? Anything might work for non-organized large scale wvw if you play carefully and pretend to be useful.

Hello,

I never used any addons for GW2 simply because of that aggressive policy against any 3rd party stuff but perhaps there is something legit addon that allows you edit ui somehow? Like increase size boon icons on enemy or ally?

Thanks in advance!

Can we get Rox Quiver back please? Some Renegades could use one :P

Just give us 4 utility skills for each legends instead of 3. There should be at least something to choose from.

It's a fine spec for PvE. Raiding, fractals or open world all fine so far. The trouble is it brings no flexibility and just adds flat stats buff (so boring) and those F skills are rarely even used with that MONSTROUS energy consumption. This spec didn't add anything new to condi revenant, it is still mace+axe spamm for PvE. It's low quality elite spec in my opinion.

As for SPvP and WvW...well...just salt. I'll stick to Herald for now that's for sure.

Yes, you are not alone, I am very bitter about it myself to tell the truth. The more I'm trying to play it the more I wish I could refund this expansion since I bought it solely because of the new spec and I mostly roam/spvp nowadays. The way it is now - every single class has an elite spec that scales so much better with their core, it's almost racist :)

I like the shortbow, I like renegade just simply because I always hate that herald buff bot spec but I can't bear to play it anywhere outside PvE and in my opinion it's very fine spec for PvE atm. But for PvP/WvW it's simply too annoying, unrewarding and lacking to say better.

And I don't feel like waiting another 3-5 months for Renegade to become relevant, things like this should be handled during tests before pushing into life but seems like Anet doesn't care. Good thing it's not the only MMO out there.

WvW wise, tried Viper, Trailblazer (or dire whatsoever) and Celestial. Nothing worked so far, at least for roaming and smallscale wvw. Glint is so much better, I felt godlike when I switched back to it.

IMO this so-called Legendary Renegade is garbage to say better. Which as useful as core non-elite revenant is. Ofc you can play it in blobs (and you can use whatever you want for it most of the time), even with this spaceship meta where your summons live 2 seconds max but as soon as you wander out alone you'd get farmed by the first somewhat experienced war/thief/necro or mesmer you come across. You are slower than them, you have zero boons, you have close to zero cc, no shadowsteps and your healing is miserable. All that is packed with pedestrian 900 range.

I was kind of bitter when I realized this after numerous hours spent trying to make something good out of it but as I see it, it is not going to work till Arenanet spends their precious time on tweaking revenant's core. They also risk running into the same issue each expansion if this problem persists... I wish it was as strong as guardian/warrior cores are :(

UPD Small rant aside, here are some suggestions for tweaking renegade as for now :

1) Make summons instant and invulnerable (or at least immune to cc with much bigger hp pool). They often die/get cc'd too fast.

2) Add more conditions to both bow weapon skills and utilities, the way it is now it's simply hard to apply and maintain numerous conditions with bow and renegade legend. It's supposed to be condition damage based weapon specialization after all.

3) Add a shadowstep to SB skills, replacing either Sevenshot or Spiritcrush with it would probably work.

4) Reduce costs or significantly empower f1-f3 skills. They simply not worth it the way they are now with that energy cost. Pretty sure I often forget they exist most of the time.

5) Renegade definitely needs more boons despite all that boon corruption/hate around.

Also, very first minor trait Ambush Commander leaves me confused since I am not because... how are supposed to Ambush our enemies without stealth? That's probably too much to ask but it would be cool if we could have some stealth with this spec alone.

This revenant needs a name for their dev.

> @hypehype.9047 said:

> I said it before the beta that rev is unplayable without herald and kept getting shut down. Now people can see for themself.

> I will take it one step further OP and say renegade is not even viable in PVE.

Why would you say it's not viable in PvE? I mean 35k benchmark and stuff? I've done some tier 4 fractals with it and it did somewhat fine. (without shortbow)

It's crap in both SPvP and WvW however....

From PvP/WvW perspective, at first I was so excited to try out the new Renegade spec. I went straight into heart of the mists and then wvw to try out the new builds. However after I roamed for a couple of days I realized that neither shortbow is good (both pve/pvp), nor the so called "elite" legend provides anything worth slotting it for either wvw or spvp. It's slow, easily interruptable, vulnerable and shows how Glint dependent and clunky the class is. I am simply disappointed with it, everyone I asked about it so far had the same feeling too. :(

Seriously, this new elite spec solved zero problems it had in prior to Path of Fire.

1) No viable condi weapon. (Shortbow is clumsy and is not worthy for elite spec weapon)

2) No reliable condi cleanse. Instead, we got some healing ability that forced us to stay at one spot and ENDURE conditions.

3) Dragon Herald elite spec dependability.

Meanwhile, those new cheesy specs run around just fine (not) with bunch of escapes, high protection uptime, bunch of blinds, safestomps and cheep stability.