Little Howl.5231

I've been using 2.4.1 since release - works a treat. Thanks for the technical info Mack !

MAC support is gone. Deal with it and move on or adapt and continue enjoying the game. It's that simple.

Nothing will change Anet's decision, effectively making "i'm unhappy" remarks redundant.

All these Mac users crying. Get serious and run dual boot windows or linux for your gaming needs.

Time to join the big boys!

> @"KrHome.1920" said:

> There is not one single hint in this thread, that is technically correct.

>

> - Triple buffering has nothing to do with vsync being enabled or disabled. Triple buffering adds another frame buffer to the render ahead queue of the rendering pieline, which results in always being a completed frame ready to be displayed on the screen, no matter when the display refresh rate asks for it. This does of course only make sense when vsync is enabled, as this synchronizes the gpu refresh with the monitor refresh. If you enable triple buffering without vsync, then you add an additional frame buffer for no reason, which just increases input lag and vram usage (for the additionally stored frame). Btw. you can not force vsync and triple buffering in modern apis like dx12 via the gpu driver. The game engine has full control over it.

> - Don't (!) limit you fps 3 frames below your monitor refrsh rate - e.g. 57 fps @ 60Hz. This will just increase the tearing and a tear will move from the top of the screen to the bottom all the time. That's super annoying.

> - The best way to get rid of all the vsync issues, is buying an adaptive sync monitor and never look back.

> - Since the OP plays the game on a laptop a workaround to get rid of tearing would be enabling fast sync (enhanced sync for amd users) in the driver, which displays the last rendered frame at the next refresh cycle of the sceen. But also this has its flaws: 1) fast sync does only work above 36 fps (below it is tured off) and it tends to stutter even more than vsync. But I would at least give it a try.

People already covered what you've suggested except the last two points. Technically that is.

> @"ArmoredVehicle.2849" said:

> I really hate to see this Windows vs Linux thing on this thread, it's not what it's for. Anyhow my thoughts on the subject:

>

> I think it's **obvious** many games perform better on Windows, it's their native environment and with GW2 especially this is probably a no brainer. With that said, I think most Linux gamers are aware of the slight performance loss in some games and have come to accept this trade off in favor of (in my opinion) a disastrous OS such as Win10.

>

> I'm a heavy gamer myself and I'm aware I lose a few fps in games (not all of them run as poorly on Linux as GW2) however I don't feel like I'm gimping myself here. I haven't had to worry about viruses/malicious software, internet activity behind my back, software running in the background and such things as BSOD's for the last 6 years.

>

> To keep it simple: If all you care about is gaming and max fps - then probably Windows is best for you. It's a bit pointless to keep arguing about this Windows vs Linux performance topic ;)

>

Hardly a **few loose fps** when we're talking 40+ frames. Now that's **obvious** and I think you're downplaying the situation because you love Linux. For this reason you're overstating the whole bsod and malware situation too. I was posting my experience to ensure Linux users were informed of the performance available on Windows 10 using the d912pxy to render the game in DX12.

Being informed isn't pointless, I think it's imperative!

> @"ZenAge.4863" said:

> Clearly you don't ^^,

Hmmmm Mangoes yum ???

> @"ZenAge.4863" said:

> By your logic, I could just buy a $200k PC and be rocking those FPS... I wonder who will be sub-optimal then.

>

> Surely you understand, what I meant by saying the game is inherently un-optimal... yes we can use all these tweaks and upgrade our rigs... but to me "optimal" means I don't have to mess around with all this, as the "optimal" part should be in the base code of the game. Everything else... is an "Enhancement"

>

> Furthermore, this is not as simple as choosing "this" because "my game runs xfps better", because you are focusing on 1 point "the game" and leaving out everything else that comes with the OS that runs the game. Which leads back to your optimal argument.

>

> Consider two islands. One has everything you would want, generally peaceful mobs running around... the problem is... it lacks Mangoes...

> Now the other island has TONS of Mangoes... but now... unfortunately... it lacks the other things and there are some dodgy mobs running around... might not sleep too well at night..

>

> Now... if you love Mangoes so much, then yeah... go to that island... my "Optimal choice" however, is to stay on the first island.... couldn't care much for those extra mangoes ;)

I'm sorry you don't understand the example in context what's being said. I've got better things to do than spoon feed you and debate symantics. And the fruit analogy omg ?

> @"ZenAge.4863" said:

> lol... I'm getting deja vu... this is oddly familiar to p18...

>

> And btw... I'm not sure there is such a thing as "experiencing an optimal experience with GW2." It is inherently un-optimal, no matter what system you are on.

We'll have to disagree then. Surely by definition of the word "optimal" you understand what's being said.

The whole upgrade path with purchasing new pc hardware, CPU, GPU is to ensure you experience an optimal gaming experience with the games you play.

Here we are presented with a couple of options regarding operating systems and choice of api used to render the game.

Clearly the choice that provides me with the smoothest frametimes, lowest framespikes and stutter with peak output of frames per second would be logically the optimal choice?

Isn't this just common sense?

Linux is great but.........

Sub-optimal by a long way considering the other option available.

> @"VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.3618" said:

> > @"Little Howl.5231" said:

> > > @"Ooops.8694" said:

> > > > @"Little Howl.5231" said:

> > > > Quite simply, the performance using DXVK is sub-par compared to running Windows 10 using the d912pxy. After running performance benchmarks in fractals and wvw, pvp and general i'm seeing differences of 40-50 fps in lots of situations.

> > > May i ask for your specs or more precisely how many fps you consider normal when running under Windows 10? Because my rather old pc runs at about ~50-60 fps normally with about 10-15% less running on Wine, so a loss of 50 fps under linux sounds incredibly strange.

> >

> > I'm not talking about Windows 10 native dx9 vs Linux with wine or dxvk ( vulkan )

> >

> > I'm referring to running GW2 in DX12 with the d912pxy on Windows 10 and the performance gap against running on Linux with DXVK is HUGE.

> >

> > https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/110553/want-to-use-directx-12-dx12-for-gw2-heres-a-guide-on-using-the-d912pxy-on-windows-10#latest

> >

> > i7 6800k @ 4.5 Ghz

> > 32 Gig 3200 Mhz DDR4

> > 512GB Nvme SSD

> > AMD RX 5700xt

> >

> > Playing on 165Hz freesync monitor vsync OFF @ 1440p resolution

>

> and at the same time, you are running windows. Poor you.

Ok I'll bite. It's a shame people associate so strongly with an idea that they become so biased that their logic is completely flawed.

Poor me, my Gw2 experience is optimal. ?

> @"Ooops.8694" said:

> > @"Little Howl.5231" said:

> > Quite simply, the performance using DXVK is sub-par compared to running Windows 10 using the d912pxy. After running performance benchmarks in fractals and wvw, pvp and general i'm seeing differences of 40-50 fps in lots of situations.

> May i ask for your specs or more precisely how many fps you consider normal when running under Windows 10? Because my rather old pc runs at about ~50-60 fps normally with about 10-15% less running on Wine, so a loss of 50 fps under linux sounds incredibly strange.

I'm not talking about Windows 10 native dx9 vs Linux with wine or dxvk ( vulkan )

I'm referring to running GW2 in DX12 with the d912pxy on Windows 10 and the performance gap against running on Linux with DXVK is HUGE.

https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/110553/want-to-use-directx-12-dx12-for-gw2-heres-a-guide-on-using-the-d912pxy-on-windows-10#latest

i7 6800k @ 4.5 Ghz

32 Gig 3200 Mhz DDR4

512GB Nvme SSD

AMD RX 5700xt

Playing on 165Hz freesync monitor vsync OFF @ 1440p resolution

> @"VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.3618" said:

> > @"Ooops.8694" said:

> > > @"Little Howl.5231" said:

> > > Quite simply, the performance using DXVK is sub-par compared to running Windows 10 using the d912pxy. After running performance benchmarks in fractals and wvw, pvp and general i'm seeing differences of 40-50 fps in lots of situations.

> > May i ask for your specs or more precisely how many fps you consider normal when running under Windows 10? Because my rather old pc runs at about ~50-60 fps normally with about 10-15% less running on Wine, so a loss of 50 fps under linux sounds incredibly strange.

>

> maybe he had vsync on in linux and off in windows.

>

> That said, I do not give a kitten about windows performance.

LOL

Guys after doing a long(ish) stint on Pop OS (2+ years) i've jumped back to Windows 10 to use the d912pxy.

Quite simply, the performance using DXVK is sub-par compared to running Windows 10 using the d912pxy. After running performance benchmarks in fractals and wvw, pvp and general i'm seeing differences of 40-50 fps in lots of situations.

The sad truth is if you're running linux distros you're gimping yourself out of experiencing an optimal experience with GW2.

Unfortunately d912pxy does not work in linux due to running an up-to date feature set of dx12 implementation that's not available in vkd3d ( this is using vkd3d > dx12pxy )

It was fun rocking Linux for a while. Chau !

Release 2.3 is amazing ! The saying GW2 DX calls being limited to a primary thread is now a MYTH LOL :)

> @"KrHome.1920" said:

> > @"Mack.3045" said:

> > > @"Saintfanny.7419" said:

> > > Recently came back after Summit and Lazypeon had played it and it looked fun. When i came back my framerates are going from 144fps to 12fps. Is something ujp? I have a Ryzen 7 3700, 32g of ram and a radeon 5700xt so this should eat this game alive

> > >

> > > Whats the matter

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > DX9 is poorly optimised on Navi cards.

> You should finally stop spreading this nonsense. The framedrops in GW2 with Navi cards have nothing to do with DX9 as an API. This is a game specific bug. Tons of DX9 games run fine with these cards.

>

Hey man. Framedrops in GW2 is the norm. With Navi there is poor optimisation of DX9 which just makes the issue even worse ! I'm running an RX5700 and there have been plenty of reports with issues around DX9 with these cards.

> @"phokus.8934" said:

> The game doesn’t run DX12 with d912pxy. It still runs DX9 as dictated by the game engine. The only thing d912pxy does is translates some dx9 functions into dx12.

>

> This is merely semantics but if you use this mod you’re still running GW2 with dx9.

I get what you're saying but Mack is right, the game is being fully rendered in DX12 whilst using the d912pxy. That's what the initial debate was about between him and Ayrilana.

The D912PXY is quite literally a game changer for me. I'm using a RX 5700

Megai's just updated it to 2.2

https://github.com/megai2/d912pxy/releases

Version v2.2

-Summary of change log:-

-* Initial support for Astellia online and Lost Ark

-* Now d912pxy will show "greetings" message on fresh install

-* Visual fixes for booze effects & fire/smoke/etc in preview window in GW2

-* DXGI frame latency support

-* Small improvements of GPU query performance

-* Crashfix for GW2 28.07.2020 patch

-* More api hacks for better 3rd party addons support

> @"Mack.3045" said:

> The name of this game is a Misnomer. It's actually Build Wars 2. Go with the strongest current builds and save yourself a world of frustration. Then build carry through ranked. Rinse and repeat as the tide changes regarding builds.

True bro, True.....

Why is this nonsense ? I think the MACK guy was just pointing out his experience after he tried running GW2 on both Linux and Windows. He was just pointing out and posing the question "Why would you play on a OS that gimps your performance with GW2" ? I understand you love Linux and i think it's great too ( I’m running Mint and it rocks ).

I don't have a bias for either Os but to say Windows IS a crapfest... now that is nonsense! . And it runs GW2 better.....

I'd completely jump ship tomorrow if Linux distros out-performed GW2 on Windows :)

Please don't be so touchy !

I’m off my soap box now so back to the original thread ?

> @"VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.3618" said:

> > @"Mack.3045" said:

> > > @"VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.3618" said:

> > > > @"Mack.3045" said:

> > > > Hi All.

> > > >

> > > > After testing GW2 on the latest Ubuntu with all performance options enabled I’ve come to the conclusion that running GW2 on Linux is a sub-par performance choice for the game.

> > > >

> > > > Running GW2 on the D912pxy running Windows 10 is **_simply faster_** . In some scenarios 30+ frames ahead of what I’ve been getting in Linux either using Lutris or the package Armoured Vehicle is using.

> > > >

> > > > I was very hopeful trialling Linux with GW2 but it doesn’t cut the mustard compared to D912pxy running Windows 10. If you're after performance go for the latter.

> > > >

> > > > CPU i7 6800k

> > > > GPU RX5700XT

> > > > 32 Gig of RAM

> > > > 256 GB NVme SSD

> > > >

> > >

> > > what did you expect? WINE is a ressource/cpu hog. Because windows is a convoluted mess and translating that to linux takes cpu cycles.

> > >

> > > 30% is expected.

> > >

> > > And no matter what, I will not install windows on my computer. I have to deal with that crapfest at work every freaking day. Thanks, but no thanks. Keep that broken mess away from MY hardware.

> >

> > Much hyperbole right there...

>

> no, just an appropriate response.

>

> People KNOW that wine costs performance. What people are trying to reduce the impact. Your post is bordering on trolling.

I think he was referring to the part of your post about Windows being a "crapfest" and "broken". That to me sounds hyperbolic.

Certainly subjective however Windows 10 runs smooth for me without issues. Neither of your descriptive's match my experience with the platform. I turn my PC on, double click the GW2 icon and the game runs. Terrible experience really :P

I'm not sure why people aren’t running dual boot anyways if you love Linux. You're just cheating yourself out of performance if you're not running the game on Windows.

Cheers bro this worked a treat for me ! All i did was set the frequency 50Mhz difference between each power state and make the voltage identical for them.

No more down-clocking and fluctuating speeds.

You're the only person that's come up with a solution to this and iv'e been searching for a fix since i got my 5700 last year !!!!!

Over clock that cpu ! It's screaming at you to.

Elegie's camera shake synchronises with his feedback chair so he feels the hits like a mo fo ;)

Nice man. Keep up the vids.

> @"Lasiurus.4067" said:

> Don't struggle & keep cool all <3

Peace bro :)

> @"Hitman.5829" said:

> > @"Little Howl.5231" said:

> > > @"Hitman.5829" said:

> > > Are the enemy players really that bad in your tier? If so, I can destroyed their entire 50 man serg with my warrior!

> >

> > Sigh.. Hitman. Always the ego type posts. Its tiring and its old.

>

> I told you many times if you want to fight just message me in game and we can arrange a duel in the guild hall.

See thats the thing. This is not about you or me. Its about the guy who posted a great roaming vid in this thread. What im saying is your egotiscal posts and chest beating dont do you any favours.

Where are your videos , do you have a youtube channel?. Maybe consider changing your behaviour just a little. Who knows...Encourage the communty........? Try it. Far more rewarding :)