[PvP] If Death Shroud and Reaper Shroud had no cooldown. How would you balance it?

[kKagari.6804]

Personally, I think that in the current meta climate it isn't too hard to imagine the change was made to remove the cooldown for Death Shroud and Reaper Shroud, with minor tweaks being made to tune the implications of removing the cooldowns.

 

The obvious ones would be the traits that offer effects on entry and exit of shroud would have a internal cooldown implmented, e.g. traits like Spiteful Spirit.

Secondly, I'd like to see skills like Death Spiral be reduced in both spins and cooldown, so that it could be used more frequently for smaller bursts. The recent change to Reaper's Onslaught is interesting, but does not work well in practice as it both pressures the Reaper into auto-attacking for long periods of time, and requires staying in shroud for prolonged periods of time.

As balance, probably reduce the innate damage reduction while in shroud from 50% to 33%.

 

I'm suggesting this because the mechanics behind these two shrouds have become archaic. The current meta is filled with classes that can either deal incredible pressure at range, disengage freely or have burst cycles of less than 10 seconds. For a class mechanic that can truly serve as our 'second health bar', we need better control and access to it; it already restricts the use of our skill bar.

 

I think this change can substantially improve the necromancer's toolset, and will reward skillful players that can make the most of weaving in and out of shroud to mitigate damage.

[Vitali.5039]

With no CD

1. Remove damage reduction

2. Increase lf required to enter Shroud to 33%

3. ICD on enter/exit shroud's effect

4. Nerf on Spectral skills life force generation

5. Utility bar allowed when in shroud

[Axl.8924]

Seriously? you want to nerf reaper more? you would make reaper even more of a free kill in SPVP

 

I swear people won't be happy till necro has no fighting chance and is 100% free kill to all.

 

How about this:Since thief has so much mobility, they have to sacrifice 100% of their dmg, because they are a support class, same to mesmers eles and warriors

Oh but warrios have block and counter thats super op.can't have support and dmg because they are a support class, same as guardians.

 

If you want balance, then every class needs to be balanced so no 1 class dominates.

[kKagari.6804]

> @Axl.8924 said:

> Seriously? you want to nerf reaper more? you would make reaper even more of a free kill in SPVP

>

> I swear people won't be happy till necro has no fighting chance and is 100% free kill to all.

>

> How about this:Since thief has so much mobility, they have to sacrifice 100% of their dmg, because they are a support class, same to mesmers eles and warriors

> Oh but warrios have block and counter thats super op.can't have support and dmg because they are a support class, same as guardians.

>

> If you want balance, then every class needs to be balanced so no 1 class dominates.

 

What are you on about? How is removing CD from shroud a nerf? And how could you possibly keep stuff like spiteful spirit without ICD? You could just spam F1 all day and have spiteful spirit trigger endlessly?

[Axl.8924]

> @kKagari.6804 said:

> > @Axl.8924 said:

> > Seriously? you want to nerf reaper more? you would make reaper even more of a free kill in SPVP

> >

> > I swear people won't be happy till necro has no fighting chance and is 100% free kill to all.

> >

> > How about this:Since thief has so much mobility, they have to sacrifice 100% of their dmg, because they are a support class, same to mesmers eles and warriors

> > Oh but warrios have block and counter thats super op.can't have support and dmg because they are a support class, same as guardians.

> >

> > If you want balance, then every class needs to be balanced so no 1 class dominates.

>

> What are you on about? How is removing CD from shroud a nerf? And how could you possibly keep stuff like spiteful spirit without ICD? You could just spam F1 all day and have spiteful spirit trigger endlessly?

 

 

Personally I don't see how making it cost life more life force without icd will help much at all.

How will this help reaper in pve?

 

[Dadnir.5038]

If the shroud had no CD I'd make sure that it does have a high LF cost for entering shroud. (You are aware that no CD on shroud favor heavily the shroud dancing traits, right? The area that need balance is this one not the damage or "survivability".)

[Axl.8924]

hrm then again i guess i'd have to think this a bit more:We would have more time in reaper but wouldn't we still have trouble engaging enemies because they might dance around us? I mean wouldn't we still have trouble getting to them?

[Slayer.7318]

if it was made like this necro would need more access to mechancis like a block or vigor in baseform. costing more lifeforce to enter would in turn grant less time even if you can enter it any time. trying to enter it with like only 5k life force would only give you probably 1 hit after the lifeforce cost. it could work but core necro would need rework for it to work.

[kKagari.6804]

Itd either be balanced with lifeforce cost on entry, or reduced damage reduction so that damage in shroud takes more lifeforce away. I'd prefer the latter.

[Axl.8924]

But necro already has trouble surviving in spvp with necro.I'm using reaper to try and survive longer because its a defense mechanism, and i got trouble escaping.

[Muchacho.2390]

Every f skill has a cd, so i highly doubt Anet would change our shroud to have no cd or even consider it.

 

 

[Axl.8924]

Well the no cd thing on shroud would help a little, as we could get out sooner, but it would work fine if it was like before with the long lasting shroud, as long as the skills were changed to be more powerful melee or something.

[kKagari.6804]

Necromancer would be infinetly more interesting if there was a short duration for shroud uptime but also a much faster life force gain, that way you are juggling between two actual life bars, rather than now, it feels like it's just a weapon set you can switch to every 10 seconds

[Crinn.7864]

If deathshroud had no cd, I'd just spam enter/exit shroud for infinite spiteful spirit procs.

[kKagari.6804]

> @Crinn.7864 said:

> If deathshroud had no cd, I'd just spam enter/exit shroud for infinite spiteful spirit procs.

 

Well, I do address that in my OP.

[nekretaal.6485]

Stop trying to made trades with anet. All you will get are more nerfs.

 

I don't think no cool down on shroud is a good idea. I have played with weapon kits on engineer and that's what this would be.