Astralporing.1957 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 > @Veprovina.4876 said: > Thank you all for your advice and replies. I'll see if i can find someone in game to show me the ropes. If not, oh well. I really can't play 6 hours daily just to raid, that's too hardcore for me. No reason to. Unless you're doing full clears (which likely you _won't_ be doing at the beginning, unless you'll find a group to carry you), ~2 hours (3 at most) should be your limit. After 2-3 hours people in that group will start making bigger and bigger mistakes, which will reduce the chances of doing a succesful kill (below any acceptable levels, if the players won't be really experienced). At the beginning you'll likely be doing 2-hour long training sessions, with few attempts per week. Yes, it takes a lot of time, but there's no way around it. If your group will want to learn the boss (bosses), you'd need to keep trying and trying many times over. And you'd need to do that regularly and often, so you won't keep forgetting half of what you learned inbetween attempts. So, 2 hours per attempt, 2-3 attempts per week. Depending on the overall skill of the group, and the individual learning capability of the players invovled, training to kill the first boss (i don't count escort here) can take anywhere between a week to few months. Learning new bosses will likely be faster and faster the more experience on raiding in general you'll accrue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veprovina.4876 Posted November 3, 2017 Author Share Posted November 3, 2017 Well as i said, i'm in no hurry, and i don't expect to be pro at it from the start. I'll just have to organize my schedule so i can see when i can play without interruption. Then i'll see about getting a raid group. On the bright side. Today i did the labyrinth and a precursor for the flameseeker prophecies dropped. :smiley: I'll take that as a sign that i need to switch to chronomancer, and work on my legendary! :smile: It could actually be a good thing maybe if i start doing fractals with the chrono to practice rotations. Cause Mirage is fun, but it's kinda mindless too, just spam clones and shatter, or in the meta build, spam phantasms and do stuff... Maybe this really is the sign that i should switch to chronomancer. :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oglaf.1074 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 > @Feanor.2358 said: > > @Oglaf.1074 said: > > I'd also say they are time consuming in another way: > > > > The fact that each boss is capped at one "proper" kill per week. There's like, what, 12-13 "bosses" in raids that can - once per week - drop a Legendary Insight each. > > > > You need 25 LI per Legendary Armour piece. > > > > This alone means that to get anything out of raids proper, you must invest many maaaany weeks of raiding. Not to mention all the stuff you have to do for the first and second Collection for Legendary Armour that is also time-gated (the pre-Gorseval chests come to mind). > > Meh, just don't obsess over LIs. You'll get these eventually, what's the rush? Enjoy the process. Raiding can be a lot of fun. I'm not. Just saying that you're not going to get instant rewards from raiding> @Feanor.2358 said: > > @Oglaf.1074 said: > > I'd also say they are time consuming in another way: > > > > The fact that each boss is capped at one "proper" kill per week. There's like, what, 12-13 "bosses" in raids that can - once per week - drop a Legendary Insight each. > > > > You need 25 LI per Legendary Armour piece. > > > > This alone means that to get anything out of raids proper, you must invest many maaaany weeks of raiding. Not to mention all the stuff you have to do for the first and second Collection for Legendary Armour that is also time-gated (the pre-Gorseval chests come to mind). > > Meh, just don't obsess over LIs. I'm not. Just adding that the time-gating in raids is something to also consider when it comes to discussing how time consuming raiding is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ildrid Ildhjertet.2489 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 > @Veprovina.4876 said: > Well as i said, i'm in no hurry, and i don't expect to be pro at it from the start. I'll just have to organize my schedule so i can see when i can play without interruption. Then i'll see about getting a raid group. > > On the bright side. Today i did the labyrinth and a precursor for the flameseeker prophecies dropped. :smiley: I'll take that as a sign that i need to switch to chronomancer, and work on my legendary! :smile: > > It could actually be a good thing maybe if i start doing fractals with the chrono to practice rotations. Cause Mirage is fun, but it's kinda mindless too, just spam clones and shatter, or in the meta build, spam phantasms and do stuff... > > Maybe this really is the sign that i should switch to chronomancer. :wink: Just mentioning that I find the meta-build for condi mirage to be insanely more fun than the chronobuild. I did some raiding back when it was new, got burned out from practicing bosses 3 hours a day every day of the week with my guild, and now I'm in a new guild (the old one dispatched while I was away), and we do advanced raids on wednesdays (know mechanics and hit certain dps benchmarks), and practice on sundays (have a metabuild ready, no need to know mechanics and no-one is looking at your dps). It's fun and exciting, and each session is capped to 2,5 hours for advanced and 1,5 hours for practice. I've never done a full clear, but this way I at least get some kills and have a fun time while I'm at it. :) Tl;Dr: If you're not in a guild, look for a friendly one and they'll most likely accept you into their raid runs. Looking on lfg can be a hassle as I don't often see training runs there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veprovina.4876 Posted November 3, 2017 Author Share Posted November 3, 2017 > @"Ildrid Ildhjertet.2489" said: > > @Veprovina.4876 said: > > Well as i said, i'm in no hurry, and i don't expect to be pro at it from the start. I'll just have to organize my schedule so i can see when i can play without interruption. Then i'll see about getting a raid group. > > > > On the bright side. Today i did the labyrinth and a precursor for the flameseeker prophecies dropped. :smiley: I'll take that as a sign that i need to switch to chronomancer, and work on my legendary! :smile: > > > > It could actually be a good thing maybe if i start doing fractals with the chrono to practice rotations. Cause Mirage is fun, but it's kinda mindless too, just spam clones and shatter, or in the meta build, spam phantasms and do stuff... > > > > Maybe this really is the sign that i should switch to chronomancer. :wink: > > Just mentioning that I find the meta-build for condi mirage to be insanely more fun than the chronobuild. I did some raiding back when it was new, got burned out from practicing bosses 3 hours a day every day of the week with my guild, and now I'm in a new guild (the old one dispatched while I was away), and we do advanced raids on wednesdays (know mechanics and hit certain dps benchmarks), and practice on sundays (have a metabuild ready, no need to know mechanics and no-one is looking at your dps). It's fun and exciting, and each session is capped to 2,5 hours for advanced and 1,5 hours for practice. I've never done a full clear, but this way I at least get some kills and have a fun time while I'm at it. :) > > Tl;Dr: If you're not in a guild, look for a friendly one and they'll most likely accept you into their raid runs. Looking on lfg can be a hassle as I don't often see training runs there. Well i do already have some of the gear for the Mirage meta build, but i can't get the rest (trinkets) because i don't have LS3. Meanwhile, i can easily switch to chrono for like, 20g or something when i craft commander insignias, i already have full viper's ascended armor. It's just that, i'm not using the meta build for open world or fractals, i'm using the shatter build. So idk... I'm not doing anything yet anyway, i won't be switching to chrono just now. As for guilds, i am in a guild but it's.... weird... I don't know where most people are, and those who wanted to raid are representing another guild so idk. I'll ask them when i see them online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ildrid Ildhjertet.2489 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 > @Veprovina.4876 said: > Well i do already have some of the gear for the Mirage meta build, but i can't get the rest (trinkets) because i don't have LS3. Meanwhile, i can easily switch to chrono for like, 20g or something when i craft commander insignias, i already have full viper's ascended armor. It's just that, i'm not using the meta build for open world or fractals, i'm using the shatter build. > > So idk... I'm not doing anything yet anyway, i won't be switching to chrono just now. > > As for guilds, i am in a guild but it's.... weird... I don't know where most people are, and those who wanted to raid are representing another guild so idk. I'll ask them when i see them online. Seems you're in a lenient guild when it comes to repping, so you could probably look for another one to interact with :) And yeah, aquiring several ascended sets is a hassle, I have 3 light sets (2 on mesmer) and are considering gearing for chrono just to have more raid options, although I currently can run Magi Druid, Condi Mirage, and Power Dragonhunter. Done kills with all 3 (most with druid but that should change soon as I love my Mirage). Damagewise, running around with LS 2 Sinister trinkets is a decent option to viper accessory, at least until you get around to getting LS3. I recently tested the ArcDPS (I'm still mostly against 3rd party dps-meters), and in viper gear I usually just get outdps'd by meta weavers. Kinda depends on the boss, but I was highest damage on 2 bosses so far (in a decent group). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veprovina.4876 Posted November 3, 2017 Author Share Posted November 3, 2017 > @"Ildrid Ildhjertet.2489" said: > > @Veprovina.4876 said: > > Well i do already have some of the gear for the Mirage meta build, but i can't get the rest (trinkets) because i don't have LS3. Meanwhile, i can easily switch to chrono for like, 20g or something when i craft commander insignias, i already have full viper's ascended armor. It's just that, i'm not using the meta build for open world or fractals, i'm using the shatter build. > > > > So idk... I'm not doing anything yet anyway, i won't be switching to chrono just now. > > > > As for guilds, i am in a guild but it's.... weird... I don't know where most people are, and those who wanted to raid are representing another guild so idk. I'll ask them when i see them online. > > Seems you're in a lenient guild when it comes to repping, so you could probably look for another one to interact with :) And yeah, aquiring several ascended sets is a hassle, I have 3 light sets (2 on mesmer) and are considering gearing for chrono just to have more raid options, although I currently can run Magi Druid, Condi Mirage, and Power Dragonhunter. Done kills with all 3 (most with druid but that should change soon as I love my Mirage). > > Damagewise, running around with LS 2 Sinister trinkets is a decent option to viper accessory, at least until you get around to getting LS3. I recently tested the ArcDPS (I'm still mostly against 3rd party dps-meters), and in viper gear I usually just get outdps'd by meta weavers. Kinda depends on the boss, but I was highest damage on 2 bosses so far (in a decent group). Well if i'm switching to chrono i'm not going to get a whole new set of ascended, that'll take too long, i'll just convert the viper armor in the mystic forge. I already have maguuma burls, it'll be pretty cheap to convert it to commander's. And i already have berserker trinkets that chrono requires so it's easier for me to get the meta gear for chrono than it is for mirage. Oh, and i don't have LS2 either. :tongue: I suppose i couold WvW for trinkets, but i don't really want to do that. So if i'm switching to chrono, it's permanent lol, switching back to mirage costs a hell of a lot (black diamonds), and don't get me started on trailblazer's which is actually perfect for a confusion shatter build. Both chrono and mirage are fun in their own way anway, so i'll just have to see... If i switch to chrono, how is the open world damage? Cause mirage can beat the living shit out of everything in open world, can chrono do some decent damage so that i can solo some open world stuff now and then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ildrid Ildhjertet.2489 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 > @Veprovina.4876 said: > Well if i'm switching to chrono i'm not going to get a whole new set of ascended, that'll take too long, i'll just convert the viper armor in the mystic forge. I already have maguuma burls, it'll be pretty cheap to convert it to commander's. And i already have berserker trinkets that chrono requires so it's easier for me to get the meta gear for chrono than it is for mirage. Oh, and i don't have LS2 either. :tongue: Makes sense.. I have a celestial light set that I'm only using on ele in wvw, but it's too time gated for me to restat it :p > I suppose i couold WvW for trinkets, but i don't really want to do that. > > So if i'm switching to chrono, it's permanent lol, switching back to mirage costs a hell of a lot (black diamonds), and don't get me started on trailblazer's which is actually perfect for a confusion shatter build. > > Both chrono and mirage are fun in their own way anway, so i'll just have to see... True, I prefer Mirage but that's obviously individual :) > If i switch to chrono, how is the open world damage? Cause mirage can beat the living kitten out of everything in open world, can chrono do some decent damage so that i can solo some open world stuff now and then? I'm not sure as I've only played as chrono with assassin armor and berserker trinkets, but at some point in LS3 I stopped playing my mesmer because I failed to progress due to low survivability and not enough damage. Picked it up again in preparation for PoF and I died a fair bit but I managed somehow (think I went back to core power mesmer tbh). Might want to post in the Mesmer forum and ask there about chrono damage. :) Now on Mirage I still die occasionally but I feel powerful! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veprovina.4876 Posted November 3, 2017 Author Share Posted November 3, 2017 > @"Ildrid Ildhjertet.2489" said: > I'm not sure as I've only played as chrono with assassin armor and berserker trinkets, but at some point in LS3 I stopped playing my mesmer because I failed to progress due to low survivability and not enough damage. Picked it up again in preparation for PoF and I died a fair bit but I managed somehow (think I went back to core power mesmer tbh). Might want to post in the Mesmer forum and ask there about chrono damage. :) Now on Mirage I still die occasionally but I feel powerful! :D But this thread is about raiding, so in that context, i can't be meta with mirage, i don't have LS2 and LS3 to get the full trinkets, and the core ones are not really good for that either (plus i'm not wasting laurels or guild commendations on amulets and trinkets with non meta stats if i'm going to raid). So in context of raiding, i'm 20-30 gold from a meta build for chronomancer, but about 800+ gems and what not for a meta build for mirage. So understandably, it's easier to switch to chrono. But yeah, mirage is amazing in a lot of content. I do feel powerful when playing it. I die on legendaries or something if i'm too lazy to pay attention, but generally, it's really good damage. When i played chrono, i didn't clear trash mobs so fast like i do with mirage. But chrono was better to play in fractals, mirage is good in fractals, but i like chrono's control skills better. One thing i'll miss like hell if i switch to chrono is going to be mirage cloak. This is the best ability ever. xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ildrid Ildhjertet.2489 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 > @Veprovina.4876 said: > But this thread is about raiding, so in that context, i can't be meta with mirage, i don't have LS2 and LS3 to get the full trinkets, and the core ones are not really good for that either (plus i'm not wasting laurels or guild commendations on amulets and trinkets with non meta stats if i'm going to raid). So in context of raiding, i'm 20-30 gold from a meta build for chronomancer, but about 800+ gems and what not for a meta build for mirage. So understandably, it's easier to switch to chrono. Yeah I totally get that. I would still advertise spending the 800 gems though, as LS2 and 3 are great (imo). > But yeah, mirage is amazing in a lot of content. I do feel powerful when playing it. I die on legendaries or something if i'm too lazy to pay attention, but generally, it's really good damage. When i played chrono, i didn't clear trash mobs so fast like i do with mirage. But chrono was better to play in fractals, mirage is good in fractals, but i like chrono's control skills better. And people will probably always expect the mesmer to play chrono :( At least having a high damage spec as an alternative is really good, inb4 balance patch next tuesday :p > One thing i'll miss like hell if i switch to chrono is going to be mirage cloak. This is the best ability ever. xD Haha yeah, Mirage cloak has saved me so many times! Also the superspeed is amazing for getting out of AoE :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syktek.7912 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 For most, it's pretty time consuming. The only way to make it smooth is to find a core group and gain experience with them, record your DPS and performances, learn together. Eventually you will be able to clear all four wings in under three hours. Or you say "DPS meters and core groups are elitist they should carry me while I put in no effort and lie about everything" and repeatedly get kicked from PUGs for it. Then complain on the forums instead of attempting to improve. All while saying "GW2 is easy" while failing miserably at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiveOne.8451 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 > @Syktek.7912 said: > For most, especially folks on this forum, it's pretty time consuming. The only way to make it smooth is to find a core group and gain experience with them, record your DPS and performances, learn together. Eventually you will be able to clear all four wings in under three hours. > > Or you say "DPS meters and core groups are elitist they should carry me while I put in no effort and lie about everything" and repeatedly get kicked from PUGs for it. Then complain on the forums instead of attempting to improve. All while saying "GW2 is easy" while failing miserably at it. Yeah I agree with this. Many players seem to think they deserve to just be carried or something. Tho the people who do raids in a timely manner are often the ones who play with select static groups. Now I do not think that DPS meters are needed as GW2 is easy. They are nice tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veprovina.4876 Posted November 4, 2017 Author Share Posted November 4, 2017 > @FiveOne.8451 said: > > @Syktek.7912 said: > > For most, especially folks on this forum, it's pretty time consuming. The only way to make it smooth is to find a core group and gain experience with them, record your DPS and performances, learn together. Eventually you will be able to clear all four wings in under three hours. > > > > Or you say "DPS meters and core groups are elitist they should carry me while I put in no effort and lie about everything" and repeatedly get kicked from PUGs for it. Then complain on the forums instead of attempting to improve. All while saying "GW2 is easy" while failing miserably at it. > > Yeah I agree with this. Many players seem to think they deserve to just be carried or something. Tho the people who do raids in a timely manner are often the ones who play with select static groups. Now I do not think that DPS meters are needed as GW2 is easy. They are nice tho. Umm, who are you two mad at? :tongue: I never asked to be carried, i just asked if it's viable for me to learn raids and play them in a limited time frame. I don't expect people to carry me, that's boring, if i'm going to raid, then i'm going to actually play raids, what's the point otherwise? I'm not interested in raiding for rewards, i want to play some new content. I mean, of course i'm not going to be perfect the first time, and someone will have to teach me raiding, show me how the mechanics work, what to do and when. But beyond that, i wanna play, not sit in the corner while others play for me. Also, what's a core group? :tongue: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigfodr.9576 Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 > @Veprovina.4876 said: > > @FiveOne.8451 said: > > > @Syktek.7912 said: > > > For most, especially folks on this forum, it's pretty time consuming. The only way to make it smooth is to find a core group and gain experience with them, record your DPS and performances, learn together. Eventually you will be able to clear all four wings in under three hours. > > > > > > Or you say "DPS meters and core groups are elitist they should carry me while I put in no effort and lie about everything" and repeatedly get kicked from PUGs for it. Then complain on the forums instead of attempting to improve. All while saying "GW2 is easy" while failing miserably at it. > > > > Yeah I agree with this. Many players seem to think they deserve to just be carried or something. Tho the people who do raids in a timely manner are often the ones who play with select static groups. Now I do not think that DPS meters are needed as GW2 is easy. They are nice tho. > > Umm, who are you two mad at? :tongue: I never asked to be carried, i just asked if it's viable for me to learn raids and play them in a limited time frame. I don't expect people to carry me, that's boring, if i'm going to raid, then i'm going to actually play raids, what's the point otherwise? I'm not interested in raiding for rewards, i want to play some new content. > > I mean, of course i'm not going to be perfect the first time, and someone will have to teach me raiding, show me how the mechanics work, what to do and when. But beyond that, i wanna play, not sit in the corner while others play for me. > > Also, what's a core group? :tongue: I dont think they where referring to you, but it was a more general statement. Anyone who have done alot of training runs have meet people that seem surprised by the fact that they cant just afk and get loot. Not many of them, but we meet them. And its easy to remember the 5 bad ables and forget the 200 good raiders that you have meet (human nature). core group = static group = same group of 10 (or fewer) that meet and raid every week toghether Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenith.7301 Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 These are the shortest raids you will experience in any game. Most fights are over in 5 minutes or less. They're incredibly easy compared to WoW/FFXIV/Wildstar raids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veprovina.4876 Posted November 5, 2017 Author Share Posted November 5, 2017 > @Sigfodr.9576 said: > > @Veprovina.4876 said: > > > @FiveOne.8451 said: > > > > @Syktek.7912 said: > > > > For most, especially folks on this forum, it's pretty time consuming. The only way to make it smooth is to find a core group and gain experience with them, record your DPS and performances, learn together. Eventually you will be able to clear all four wings in under three hours. > > > > > > > > Or you say "DPS meters and core groups are elitist they should carry me while I put in no effort and lie about everything" and repeatedly get kicked from PUGs for it. Then complain on the forums instead of attempting to improve. All while saying "GW2 is easy" while failing miserably at it. > > > > > > Yeah I agree with this. Many players seem to think they deserve to just be carried or something. Tho the people who do raids in a timely manner are often the ones who play with select static groups. Now I do not think that DPS meters are needed as GW2 is easy. They are nice tho. > > > > Umm, who are you two mad at? :tongue: I never asked to be carried, i just asked if it's viable for me to learn raids and play them in a limited time frame. I don't expect people to carry me, that's boring, if i'm going to raid, then i'm going to actually play raids, what's the point otherwise? I'm not interested in raiding for rewards, i want to play some new content. > > > > I mean, of course i'm not going to be perfect the first time, and someone will have to teach me raiding, show me how the mechanics work, what to do and when. But beyond that, i wanna play, not sit in the corner while others play for me. > > > > Also, what's a core group? :tongue: > > I dont think they where referring to you, but it was a more general statement. Anyone who have done alot of training runs have meet people that seem surprised by the fact that they cant just afk and get loot. Not many of them, but we meet them. And its easy to remember the 5 bad ables and forget the 200 good raiders that you have meet (human nature). > > core group = static group = same group of 10 (or fewer) that meet and raid every week toghether Yeah i figured it was kinda general. :tongue: Same thing happens in fractals too, it's beyond me how people got to tier 3 and still don't know the mechanics. And fractals unlike raids have tiers, you level up and get tons of practice due to how levels and agony works lol. And somehow people still fail the simplest bosses... Oh well, happens i guess. Personally, i have no problem "carrying" tier 1 newbies, i consider that mentoring for later. But you shouldn't have to mentor someone in tier 3 or 4... Same with raids i suppose. It should be fine when someone's new, but after a few runs, you should start to have a grasp at least on what to do and how and attempt to get better. Not everything has to be a speedrun, but still. I get where you're coming from. When someone repeatedly fails and makes no effort to improve it's not fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenith.7301 Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 > @Veprovina.4876 said: > > @Sigfodr.9576 said: > > > @Veprovina.4876 said: > > > > @FiveOne.8451 said: > > > > > @Syktek.7912 said: > > > > > For most, especially folks on this forum, it's pretty time consuming. The only way to make it smooth is to find a core group and gain experience with them, record your DPS and performances, learn together. Eventually you will be able to clear all four wings in under three hours. > > > > > > > > > > Or you say "DPS meters and core groups are elitist they should carry me while I put in no effort and lie about everything" and repeatedly get kicked from PUGs for it. Then complain on the forums instead of attempting to improve. All while saying "GW2 is easy" while failing miserably at it. > > > > > > > > Yeah I agree with this. Many players seem to think they deserve to just be carried or something. Tho the people who do raids in a timely manner are often the ones who play with select static groups. Now I do not think that DPS meters are needed as GW2 is easy. They are nice tho. > > > > > > Umm, who are you two mad at? :tongue: I never asked to be carried, i just asked if it's viable for me to learn raids and play them in a limited time frame. I don't expect people to carry me, that's boring, if i'm going to raid, then i'm going to actually play raids, what's the point otherwise? I'm not interested in raiding for rewards, i want to play some new content. > > > > > > I mean, of course i'm not going to be perfect the first time, and someone will have to teach me raiding, show me how the mechanics work, what to do and when. But beyond that, i wanna play, not sit in the corner while others play for me. > > > > > > Also, what's a core group? :tongue: > > > > I dont think they where referring to you, but it was a more general statement. Anyone who have done alot of training runs have meet people that seem surprised by the fact that they cant just afk and get loot. Not many of them, but we meet them. And its easy to remember the 5 bad ables and forget the 200 good raiders that you have meet (human nature). > > > > core group = static group = same group of 10 (or fewer) that meet and raid every week toghether > > Yeah i figured it was kinda general. :tongue: > Same thing happens in fractals too, it's beyond me how people got to tier 3 and still don't know the mechanics. And fractals unlike raids have tiers, you level up and get tons of practice due to how levels and agony works lol. And somehow people still fail the simplest bosses... > > Oh well, happens i guess. Personally, i have no problem "carrying" tier 1 newbies, i consider that mentoring for later. But you shouldn't have to mentor someone in tier 3 or 4... > > Same with raids i suppose. It should be fine when someone's new, but after a few runs, you should start to have a grasp at least on what to do and how and attempt to get better. Not everything has to be a speedrun, but still. I get where you're coming from. When someone repeatedly fails and makes no effort to improve it's not fun. They don't learn by tier 3 or 4 because the mechanics are not punishing enough to force them to learn. It's why WoW/FFXIV work with their dungeons. The starter experience can involve critical points of failure. The lower tier fractals do no damage to the group whatsoever, and in the case of shattered observatory and nightmare many of the mechanics are absent. The game is also wholly incompetent at teaching newcomers high end PvE because most of what they do while leveling is braindead open world events and hearts that don't teach them any mechanics. Most other games also have leveling dungeons for learning group content mechanisms, but as you well know Anet completely abandoned dungeons. So are you really surprised when the vast majority of the game lets you facetank most crap because even if you do go down the zerg will rez you or you can afk defeated while others do the kill, that you get people in instanced PvE who think they can get away with the same lack of effort and attention? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rennie.6750 Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Very. Here's a quick 'to do' list: 1 - the quest for some training runs: several hours/days looking for them in game or on the forums. 2 - the training runs: don't expect to achieve anything with less than 1h/1h30 for the easiest bosses. Not counting forming the group and initial chitchat. 3 - watching youtube videos and reading guides for more complicated bosses. Of course, none of them are comprehensive so that's even longer. 4 - several hours wiping on more complex bosses and no kill to show for it while learning. 5 - once you're ready, finding a suitable static group. Probably several days/weeks. So if you have limited time, I would advise not to raid. First you're not missing on anything except some gold and some very confusing encounters, then it's first and foremost a social experience, so unless that's what you're looking for, it's probably not a good idea. Don't imagine you have a grasp on it because you play fractals. Raiding is about people, not about bosses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutra.6857 Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 My group spends about 4 hours a week doing bosses. 2 hours on Friday and 2 on Saturday. we normally get through everything but Deimos since we only recently began learning about Deimos and still working on getting hand kiting right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veprovina.4876 Posted November 6, 2017 Author Share Posted November 6, 2017 Thank you all for your input and advice. It seems like i won't be doing raids just yet since i barely have time to play Gw2 let alone find a core group, and be available and online at a very specific time so that i can do this properly. And i guess doing raids randomly isn't going to work so i'll sadly have to postpone this indefinitely, until i have more time. My main problem is, i've been trying to normalize my schedule but i can't consistently find any hours in the week that i'm 100% uninterrupted and available, and even then, i'd have to find a group of people that are the same so yeah... :disappointed: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchRiders.2871 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 > @Veprovina.4876 said: > Well as i said, i'm in no hurry, and i don't expect to be pro at it from the start. I'll just have to organize my schedule so i can see when i can play without interruption. Then i'll see about getting a raid group. > > On the bright side. Today i did the labyrinth and a precursor for the flameseeker prophecies dropped. :smiley: I'll take that as a sign that i need to switch to chronomancer, and work on my legendary! :smile: > > It could actually be a good thing maybe if i start doing fractals with the chrono to practice rotations. Cause Mirage is fun, but it's kinda mindless too, just spam clones and shatter, or in the meta build, spam phantasms and do stuff... > > Maybe this really is the sign that i should switch to chronomancer. :wink: > @Veprovina.4876 said: > > @"Ildrid Ildhjertet.2489" said: > > > I'm not sure as I've only played as chrono with assassin armor and berserker trinkets, but at some point in LS3 I stopped playing my mesmer because I failed to progress due to low survivability and not enough damage. Picked it up again in preparation for PoF and I died a fair bit but I managed somehow (think I went back to core power mesmer tbh). Might want to post in the Mesmer forum and ask there about chrono damage. :) Now on Mirage I still die occasionally but I feel powerful! :D > > But this thread is about raiding, so in that context, i can't be meta with mirage, i don't have LS2 and LS3 to get the full trinkets, and the core ones are not really good for that either (plus i'm not wasting laurels or guild commendations on amulets and trinkets with non meta stats if i'm going to raid). So in context of raiding, i'm 20-30 gold from a meta build for chronomancer, but about 800+ gems and what not for a meta build for mirage. So understandably, it's easier to switch to chrono. > > But yeah, mirage is amazing in a lot of content. I do feel powerful when playing it. I die on legendaries or something if i'm too lazy to pay attention, but generally, it's really good damage. When i played chrono, i didn't clear trash mobs so fast like i do with mirage. But chrono was better to play in fractals, mirage is good in fractals, but i like chrono's control skills better. > > One thing i'll miss like hell if i switch to chrono is going to be mirage cloak. This is the best ability ever. xD Best to stay away from mirage in this meta cause in burst fights (pretty much all fractals /raids) the ramp up time is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veprovina.4876 Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share Posted November 7, 2017 > @DutchRiders.2871 said: > > @Veprovina.4876 said: > > Well as i said, i'm in no hurry, and i don't expect to be pro at it from the start. I'll just have to organize my schedule so i can see when i can play without interruption. Then i'll see about getting a raid group. > > > > On the bright side. Today i did the labyrinth and a precursor for the flameseeker prophecies dropped. :smiley: I'll take that as a sign that i need to switch to chronomancer, and work on my legendary! :smile: > > > > It could actually be a good thing maybe if i start doing fractals with the chrono to practice rotations. Cause Mirage is fun, but it's kinda mindless too, just spam clones and shatter, or in the meta build, spam phantasms and do stuff... > > > > Maybe this really is the sign that i should switch to chronomancer. :wink: > > > @Veprovina.4876 said: > > > @"Ildrid Ildhjertet.2489" said: > > > > > I'm not sure as I've only played as chrono with assassin armor and berserker trinkets, but at some point in LS3 I stopped playing my mesmer because I failed to progress due to low survivability and not enough damage. Picked it up again in preparation for PoF and I died a fair bit but I managed somehow (think I went back to core power mesmer tbh). Might want to post in the Mesmer forum and ask there about chrono damage. :) Now on Mirage I still die occasionally but I feel powerful! :D > > > > But this thread is about raiding, so in that context, i can't be meta with mirage, i don't have LS2 and LS3 to get the full trinkets, and the core ones are not really good for that either (plus i'm not wasting laurels or guild commendations on amulets and trinkets with non meta stats if i'm going to raid). So in context of raiding, i'm 20-30 gold from a meta build for chronomancer, but about 800+ gems and what not for a meta build for mirage. So understandably, it's easier to switch to chrono. > > > > But yeah, mirage is amazing in a lot of content. I do feel powerful when playing it. I die on legendaries or something if i'm too lazy to pay attention, but generally, it's really good damage. When i played chrono, i didn't clear trash mobs so fast like i do with mirage. But chrono was better to play in fractals, mirage is good in fractals, but i like chrono's control skills better. > > > > One thing i'll miss like hell if i switch to chrono is going to be mirage cloak. This is the best ability ever. xD > > Best to stay away from mirage in this meta cause in burst fights (pretty much all fractals /raids) the ramp up time is ridiculous. Yeah, if and when i get into raiding i'm switching to chronomancer, but as i said, i just don't have the time now. Too bad... Oh well. Life, priorities and shiz... :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yLoon.5289 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Just join in any pug group in your free time in LFG and try to learn the mechanic first, don't expect to kill any boss if all of the pugs are inexperience xD Enjoy the "wiping" experience first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exciton.8942 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Have you tried fractal 99&100CM? Difficulty wise, they are very close to typical raid bosses. Finding a static group is definitely the best. Overall, I suggest two 2 to 3-hour sessions per week, which should be enough for progression. The time investment is very front loaded. It takes a lot of practice to get good at each boss encounter. But once you are there, it takes 30-40min to clear a full raid wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veprovina.4876 Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share Posted November 7, 2017 I'm at T3 fractals. It's kinda hard to find groups that do them, even for the dailies . Well, if i find the time i'll try some pugs, if not, there's still a lot of the game i haven't done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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