Rauderi.8706 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 > @"Taygus.4571" said: > As much as I like this idea, it's not an earner for Anet > > Think about it, only one person in a guild need buy all the home nodes, then they can list everyone else to use them. Now, none of these people need to buy the nodes. And I would be that person! :) While I'd love this, yeah, I'd agree that it wouldn't make money for ANet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Lentz.6982 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > @"X T D.6458" said: > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > @"X T D.6458" said: > > > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > > > @"X T D.6458" said: > > > > > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > > > > > @"X T D.6458" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"X T D.6458" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"X T D.6458" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"X T D.6458" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"X T D.6458" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since the items in a home instance can only be harvested once a day no matter what account, won’t having Home instances with any time access lists discourage people from filling out their own home instance? When they start they’ll only have a couple items. They won’t be able to farm their own if they farm someone else’s. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It wouldn't really be much different then it is now, if you join someone's party and farm their home instance on a daily basis. This would only make it more convenient for both sides, it would especially be helpful for new players. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A 24 hour open access to someone else’s stocked home instance versus occasional access depending on whether both are online and if both sides want to go to the home instance? Yes I do think it would make a difference. Having full access means you never need to build up your own home instance or do the content required for it, yet gain all the benefits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What stops someone from going into another players home instance? If you join a maxed out guild, you can still take advantage of everything it has to offer without having done anything for it right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What stops someone from going into another players home instance? The invitation, which is only something the player can only occasionally take advantage of. With the current system it’s not every day and not any time. It’s the difference between full benefits and occasional partial benefits. With full benefits there’s no reason to spend the time and costs to upgrade your own. With occasional partial benefits, there’s still incentive to fill out your own to get what they have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If a person wants to fill out their own, they will. Not everyone can afford to because it costs a lot of gold. Not everyone has that kind of time to farm so much gold. What does it matter when they can access, you can only farm the nodes and chests once a day. Currently if you cant party up with a friend who has a full home instance, you can join a random player who does, it is no different. My idea is only for the convenience of both parties so you don't have to both be online at the same time, and the person who owns the instance does not have to bother everyone every day asking them if they want to farm it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the cost to the game of handing out full benefits of a stocked home instance to those who haven’t done the work is so negligible then why not ask for the game to have a public, fully stocked home instance for all to enter and farm? Using your argument the people who use it may not have the time or gold to stock their own and having it available won’t stop them from setting up their own home instance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please go up to a new player, or someone who doesn't have much time to play and tell them they should spend hundreds of gold to buy 1 node. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please explain how the game benefits by having players bypass the need to do content or by removing long term goals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the nodes are bought on the trading post/gem store. Who are you to tell people what content they should be playing, or what they should be doing with their time? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And many, [19 of them,](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Home_instance) are by doing content and earning them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You say, ask a new person why should he pay so much. I say, why should the new person get the full benefit without effort. Everyone who has these items got them by playing the game and earning gold. Why should we give some who don’t want to do the content full benefits of a home instance? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How is the game helped by handing out long term rewards to those who are unwilling to do the content and why should the game fo it? > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you just not understand that you can do that now? You are acting as if the game will suddenly self destruct if we make it easier for our friends to farm our home instances which can only be done once a day... > > > > > > > > > > If it’s the same thing then you wouldn’t be making your suggestion. Your suggestion is for full and complete access, the same as if it was your own personal home instance. The current method is occasional access, when invited, when on at the same time, when both want to access the home instance. They are nowhere near the same. One is an occasional gift from one person to another. Your suggestion removes all need for these players to earn these nodes on their own. > > > > > > > > > > Again. How is the game helped by handing out long term rewards to those who are unwilling to do the content and why should the game do this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First, stop acting as if you are anyone to tell people what they should be doing with their time, or what content they should be playing. > > > > > > > > Second, my idea is about convenience for both parties involved. If you actually read it, you would understand that. > > > > > > > > Third, you keep bringing up this idea of people using this to avoid upgrading their own home instance, as if that is somehow a necessary requirement? Do you just really not understand people can still farm anyone's home instance with the current system at any time? My idea just makes it easier to let your friends use yours. > > > > > > > > Fourth, the game is not going to die because it becomes easier for friends to farm nodes once a day, get over it. > > > > > > > Being new, ingame poor, not having time is no reason to remove these goals and give the benefits for free. All of the players who now own nodes were once new, were ingame poor and probably had time constraints. > > > > By that logic, they should remove things like- > > > > -Tomes from login rewards > > -level to 80 boosts > > -teleport to friend > > -ability to mail other players > > -waypoint unlock packs > > > > Because you know they discourage people from actually playing and learning the game... > > > > Putting in over 1k gold for home instance nodes is probably not the biggest priority for a lot of people, including new players. > > > > Allowing a few friends to farm your home instance (assuming you get this guest list item which would have a small cap on it and also have a home instance with nodes to share) once a day, is hardly going to make people want to stop playing or ruin the game. Please stop with the hyperboles. > > A few friends? Will it only be you then giving out home instance invitations? You and how many others? Lets throw out some numbers, admittedly a guess but probably not too far off. > > When they announced how many people had gotten the Griffon they said 25,000 got it within a few days. That gives an indication of how many people play this game extensively and get achievements and get stuff completed. So let’s say there are 25,000 stocked home instances, each of which can invite up to 5 people to access it at any time. With only 25k stocked home instances (and that’s undoubtedly a low number) that’s up to 125,000 players who could be farming a stocked home instance that doesn’t belong to them. That’s a fair number of people who won’t need to do the content and pay the prices to fill out a home instance of their own because they’re getting anytime, any day access to someone else’s. That will definitely affect the economy as that gold sink won’t be used to as much as expected. People will also be selling home instance access to new players, so it won’t be just you and a few friends farming each day. > > Edit: it wouldn’t even need to be a stocked home instance to sell it. People could give access to any level of home instances to free to play players as well as sell to others. It could be a nice steady income, Xsilver/week for anytime access to a home instance where the owner doesn’t even need to log on to let them harvest. That is some heavy duty assumptions. people are already waiting for the daily Node run at reset. People already use their friends' nodes on reset, those who want the nodes, have them. I bring my friends to mine because they have little to no interest in what goes in their Home instance anyway. Why should they have to wait for me? You also make it sound like people are required( and borderline forced) to have their own home instance nodes. Not everyone cares for that form of end game. the post also does not need to be written for toddlers yes there will be a cap(which should be 4) yes it will not be accessed by free to play players yes there should be a monthly cooldown for making the "list" and since 90% of the nodes are gem store/can be sold on tp, if its gem sales you're so damn worried about, make the list a gem store item. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plok.5873 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Aside from all those understandable reservations I'd really enjoy to share my (atm complete) instance with friends or my guild. I know from other MMOs that this kind of gesture helps fostering a community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurfu.5623 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Not gonna happen. Home nodes are monetized on the Gem Shop. The ability to share your instance with guests is likely intended to make your guests want to acquire nodes for their own instance. Being able to access your home at anytime would negate this because your home essentially becomes their home as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glacial.9516 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 This kind of feature would certainly be beneficial to players but like flesh wound pointed out, it would seriously deter others from buying the nodes themselves. (Though on the flip side it could encourage some to buy more nodes if they thought more people would benefit from it - I'd be more inclined to buy nodes if I have friends that want to use them and could give them access. Meanwhile I'm unlikely to use the nodes myself on a daily basis (or even weekly) so I won't go out of my way). But! I'm sure I'm in the vast minority there and I certainly believe it would discourage a far greater number of players from buying nodes. Perhaps a compromise may be to allow others into your home instance without having to enter and stay there yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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