Raid Testing - Condi Mes vs Condi Mirage Damage Outputs

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> @Zenith.7301 said:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-5S14W2XyM

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> Firebrand does well over 10k more DPS while providing utility to the group and cleave/aoe worth a kitten to boot without the massive ramp up.

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> These developers truly outdid themselves this expansion in PvE balance neglect. But then again, that would be assuming they even care to balance for PvE since their design is as usual PvP centered.

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> Confusion on mesmer hits for a pittance since we don't get any trait increasing its damage like revenant with torment, and for the "confusing" spec of mirage we have abysmal access to confusion application anyways.

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> 5 years and they still have not balance condi specs for those classes who have access to burning and those who don't.

 

And Dragonhunter launched with 25k hammer being the only viable build. And it was a selfish spec with no utility, too. We've all been there, don't act like the devs hate mesmer.

 

Firebrand and weaver will be nerfed anyway, and mirage needs buffs. In the meantime, you still have the "meta at 2 in every group" chrono, when for a lot of other classes, low dps equals garbage bin.

 

> @Esplen.3940 said:

> > @zealex.9410 said:

> > Its worth stating that weaver and fb are supposedly bugged with the numbers they can pull off.

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> Also FB's quickness is bugged (?) since they can ignore a 5s ICD with multiple stacks at once hence why they can pull off perma quickness with 1 ability.

 

That was already removed.

 

> @Zenith.7301 said:

> > @zealex.9410 said:

> > Its worth stating that weaver and fb are supposedly bugged with the numbers they can pull off.

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> It's not a bug. Nothing about weaver is bugged. Weaver gained a 7% damage increase with swiftness up, increased damage against weakened enemies, 120 power from swapping to fire, and 14% ferocity from power. On top of their already 15% damage modifier from fire, and another 20% on mobs under 50% health from air.

 

Stat conversion traits changed with PoF to include all stats, when previously they only counted base+gear stats. That means firebrand gets extra condi damage from all the extra power from might, banners and EA. Whether it's a bug or not is not clear, but it's a thing. Weaver gets extra ferocity, too, from its own trait.

 

I don't know if those traits alone justify the dps difference, but it's a real issue anyway.

 

[Me Games Ma.8426]

Hey thought I'd add my experiences:

 

* **Build 1**

Rune: 4 Nightmare 2 Trapper

Weapons: Axe Torch/Pistol (Malice+Geomancy)

Viper: Weapons, Accessories, 1 Ring

Rampager: Armor

Sinister: Amulet, 1 Ring, Back

Duel311-Illu121-Mir333

**29.098**

* **Build 2**

Rune: 4 Nightmare 2 Trapper

Weapons: Axe Torch/Pistol (Malice+Geomancy)

Viper: Weapons, Accessories, 1 Ring

Sinister: Amulet, 1 Ring, Back, Armor

Duel311-Illu121-Mir333

**29.058**