Texas.4861 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 I do use my Raptor to move around areas in Kryta to make map completion easier. My problem with mounts is the offensive skills in lower level areas. While working on a new character in Queensdale and helping a new player , we were trying to do as many events as possible, I was dismayed and annoyed that the other lower ranked players and myself were overwhelmed in events by players using the mounts offensive skills to wipe out entire mobs. Again using the mounts to move around is fine with me. its the use of they're powerful offensive skills. I think outside of level 80 area they should not have any offensive skill to keep players from wiping out mobs leaving the new players in the dust with no points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewsitine.3645 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 Or, I don't know if they are doing it already, have mounts scale like our characters' level and stats when not in an 80 zone. If they are already doing that, then how about mounts only deal less than or equal to 15-20ish%(or lower) of current target(s) hp as damage, because I like being able to damage mobs with my mount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danikat.8537 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 They definitely need to adjust the scaling on mount attacks. I know it's just one attack but it has a huge impact, especially in level 1-15 maps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoodie.1045 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 > @"Texas.4861" said: > I do use my Raptor to move around areas in Kryta to make map completion easier. My problem with mounts is the offensive skills in lower level areas. While working on a new character in Queensdale and helping a new player , we were trying to do as many events as possible, I was dismayed and annoyed that the other lower ranked players and myself were overwhelmed in events by players using the mounts offensive skills to wipe out entire mobs. Again using the mounts to move around is fine with me. its the use of they're powerful offensive skills. I think outside of level 80 area they should not have any offensive skill to keep players from wiping out mobs leaving the new players in the dust with no points. You could dismount and not use the skills to hit the mobs. Have you thought about doing that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubySzymek.1362 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 I am happy I can breeze through low level zones with no hustle. I am bored with core tyria after 6 years and I don't want this functionality to be removed or nerfed. If you don't like it, don't use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperadordf.2687 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > I am happy I can breeze through low level zones with no hustle. I am bored with core tyria after 6 years and I don't want this functionality to be removed or nerfed. If you don't like it, don't use it. The problem is it harms the low-level players and new players. The scaling needs to be adjusted. I have mounts but I just don't use their skills while doing events. It sucks the fun out of the game for new players really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cragga the Eighty Third.60 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 I agree that mount skills should scale (even as I abuse their non-scalingness to rank up my key farmers more quickly.) If you are mounted, the mount attack is often the fastest and most practical way to launch an attack on a group of mobs. It would be good to be able to do it without hogging all the local kills and freaking out the local newbies. Mount attacks are sometimes the only sure way to tag enemy mobs on escort missions when the dailies are in a beginner zone and escorts are overcrowded, so it would be nice if you could do your excellently useful mount AoE, and have something left over for others to hit, instead of leaving a greasy smear of dead single-digit-level mobs on the grass. I'm sure I annoy people with no intent to do so, and we know perfectly well there are plenty of people who don't care if they annoy, or in fact, annoy on purpose. It feels odd begging Anet to nerf something I use all the time, but I swear I will be content not to be able to one-shot ogres anymore if the mount attack is balanced reasonably. Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas.4861 Posted May 14, 2018 Author Share Posted May 14, 2018 > @"Hoodie.1045" said: > > @"Texas.4861" said: > > I do use my Raptor to move around areas in Kryta to make map completion easier. My problem with mounts is the offensive skills in lower level areas. While working on a new character in Queensdale and helping a new player , we were trying to do as many events as possible, I was dismayed and annoyed that the other lower ranked players and myself were overwhelmed in events by players using the mounts offensive skills to wipe out entire mobs. Again using the mounts to move around is fine with me. its the use of they're powerful offensive skills. I think outside of level 80 area they should not have any offensive skill to keep players from wiping out mobs leaving the new players in the dust with no points. > > You could dismount and not use the skills to hit the mobs. Have you thought about doing that? Its not me I am referring to, re-read my OP please, I do not use the mounts as offensive weapons in lower areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas.4861 Posted May 14, 2018 Author Share Posted May 14, 2018 > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > I am happy I can breeze through low level zones with no hustle. I am bored with core tyria after 6 years and I don't want this functionality to be removed or nerfed. If you don't like it, don't use it. SMH... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just a flesh wound.3589 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 The dismount skills are too strong in low level maps. I’ve seen players on mounts repeatedly killing event mobs in low level maps during daily events. Mobs getting one shot by high level players using the dismount skill makes it harder for the new players to get credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldirtbeard.9834 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 Yeah I agree they are way Over Powered, I admit I am guilty of using them frequently though :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubySzymek.1362 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > The dismount skills are too strong in low level maps. I’ve seen players on mounts repeatedly killing event mobs in low level maps during daily events. Mobs getting one shot by high level players using the dismount skill makes it harder for the new players to get credit. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's highly exaggerated argument. It happens during daily map events mostly, isn't really disruptive as there are more maps without daily events where they can play peacefully and it happend before mounts existed anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubySzymek.1362 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 > @"Imperadordf.2687" said: > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > I am happy I can breeze through low level zones with no hustle. I am bored with core tyria after 6 years and I don't want this functionality to be removed or nerfed. If you don't like it, don't use it. > > The problem is it harms the low-level players and new players. The scaling needs to be adjusted. I have mounts but I just don't use their skills while doing events. It sucks the fun out of the game for new players really. And yet those who complain are veterans. Ironic. Also, it happened before mounts. Scaled downed 80s are still strong and disrupt low lvl maps. But there is no reason to change it because the moment when it happens on larger scale is daily event on certain maps. I'd say there are more reasons to leave it as it is, for those who like it and who don't can make a **choice** of not using mounts in low lvl maps. Everyone happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just a flesh wound.3589 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > @"Imperadordf.2687" said: > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > I am happy I can breeze through low level zones with no hustle. I am bored with core tyria after 6 years and I don't want this functionality to be removed or nerfed. If you don't like it, don't use it. > > > > The problem is it harms the low-level players and new players. The scaling needs to be adjusted. I have mounts but I just don't use their skills while doing events. It sucks the fun out of the game for new players really. > > And yet those who complain are veterans. Ironic. > > Also, it happened before mounts. Scaled downed 80s are still strong and disrupt low lvl maps. But there is no reason to change it because the moment when it happens on larger scale is daily event on certain maps. I'd say there are more reasons to leave it as it is, for those who like it and who don't can make a **choice** of not using mounts in low lvl maps. Everyone happy. Perhaps it’s veterans who are speaking out because new players don’t realize that there is a forum (and f2p can’t post on the forums at all). I’m curious though as to why someone would object to a nerf to the dismount in low level zones. Do the objectors play in those zones so very often that it’s important to them or do they have trouble killing things and need the dismount skill? If they don’t play in those low maps frequently or don’t need the skill to kill then I’m not sure how it affects them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elspereth.1280 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 I think that it is more than just the damage that the mounts can do, it is also the speed at which they move. If you are playing a low level melee character then the chances of you reaching the mobs before they die are very small. So yes, a level 80 character is going to be able to quickly destroy low level opponents anyway but at least the low level characters had a chance to reach the mob for a tap or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubySzymek.1362 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > I’m curious though as to why someone would object to a nerf to the dismount in low level zones. Do the objectors play in those zones so very often that it’s important to them or do they have trouble killing things and need the dismount skill? If they don’t play in those low maps frequently or don’t need the skill to kill then I’m not sure how it affects them. I already explained in my first post why I want this to stay as it is. > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > Perhaps it’s veterans who are speaking out because new players don’t realize that there is a forum (and f2p can’t post on the forums at all). I don't think anyone here has been voted as an ambasador for new players. Speak for yourself please. Veterans shouldn't use "new player" card as they are not new players anymore. New players who paid for the game can come here and complain if they really feel like it. As for F2P players... you know... I don't care. They play for free and for me they have no right to affect the game for those who paid. The issue that's presented here is not really an issue. Things like this happened before mounts as 80s are already strong enough to 1 shot low lvl mobs. Core Tyria is mostly empty outside of daily map event day. It's just one map, for one day. I think everyone can survive it. Don't remove a feature from players who like it. If you don't like it, don't use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danikat.8537 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 It's an issue for me. Yes I'm a "veteran" player - I have 5 level 80 characters. But I also spend a lot of my time playing on low level characters in the starter maps and crazy as it might sound to some people I enjoy actually playing them not simply levelling up as "efficiently" as possible. Which means I want to be able to complete events as and when I come across them with the skills and weapons I've unlocked so far. It's extremely annoying when I'm trying to do an event which involves tagging mobs and every time one spawns a high level character on a raptor rushes in, pulls them all in and kills them in a single hit. The first part on it's own wouldn't be too much of a problem - if they were simply pulling the mobs and damaging them it would be ok. The problem is that on low level maps even the weaker mount attacks like the griffons swoop can kill enemies in one hit, the raptor can easily wipe out entire groups instantly. I find it very hard to believe that scaling the damage those skills do to be in line with weapon and utility skills would have a negative impact on anyone. If you're unable to kill enemies on a low level map without a seriously over-powered attack then I can understand why you'd want to hang around starter areas farming the easiest events in the game, but encouraging that sort of game play is not going to help anyone, including the people doing it. Realistically though I think it would have almost no impact on the people doing this if they had to follow up that initial hit with a few of their own skills - or let the other players around them finish off the mobs if it's really too much trouble. And it would enable everyone else to participate in the event as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just a flesh wound.3589 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > I’m curious though as to why someone would object to a nerf to the dismount in low level zones. Do the objectors play in those zones so very often that it’s important to them or do they have trouble killing things and need the dismount skill? If they don’t play in those low maps frequently or don’t need the skill to kill then I’m not sure how it affects them. > > I already explained in my first post why I want this to stay as it is. > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > Perhaps it’s veterans who are speaking out because new players don’t realize that there is a forum (and f2p can’t post on the forums at all). > > I don't think anyone here has been voted as an ambasador for new players. Speak for yourself please. Veterans shouldn't use "new player" card as they are not new players anymore. New players who paid for the game can come here and complain if they really feel like it. As for F2P players... you know... I don't care. They play for free and for me they have no right to affect the game for those who paid. > > The issue that's presented here is not really an issue. Things like this happened before mounts as 80s are already strong enough to 1 shot low lvl mobs. Core Tyria is mostly empty outside of daily map event day. It's just one map, for one day. I think everyone can survive it. > > Don't remove a feature from players who like it. If you don't like it, don't use it. It appears you have forgotten that a core principle of this game is the downscaling of players to match the map level. In this case we are discussing a feature that is not appropriately downscaling in strength in low level maps and this is being used by higher level players to kill mobs faster than is appropriate and and in a manner that impacts low levels players ability to get credit for events and have fun playing these events. Because the dismount is overpowered in low level maps it’s important to bring the dismount into line to match other scaling and to make it fit into the game’s stated feature of downscaling of players to match the map they are on. Players who like the dismount skill, which is all of us, can enjoy it on higher level maps where it scales more appropriately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubySzymek.1362 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > I’m curious though as to why someone would object to a nerf to the dismount in low level zones. Do the objectors play in those zones so very often that it’s important to them or do they have trouble killing things and need the dismount skill? If they don’t play in those low maps frequently or don’t need the skill to kill then I’m not sure how it affects them. > > > > I already explained in my first post why I want this to stay as it is. > > > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > Perhaps it’s veterans who are speaking out because new players don’t realize that there is a forum (and f2p can’t post on the forums at all). > > > > I don't think anyone here has been voted as an ambasador for new players. Speak for yourself please. Veterans shouldn't use "new player" card as they are not new players anymore. New players who paid for the game can come here and complain if they really feel like it. As for F2P players... you know... I don't care. They play for free and for me they have no right to affect the game for those who paid. > > > > The issue that's presented here is not really an issue. Things like this happened before mounts as 80s are already strong enough to 1 shot low lvl mobs. Core Tyria is mostly empty outside of daily map event day. It's just one map, for one day. I think everyone can survive it. > > > > Don't remove a feature from players who like it. If you don't like it, don't use it. > > It appears you have forgotten that a core principle of this game is the downscaling of players to match the map level. It appears you are jumping to conclusions too quickly. I adressed downscaling and game itself proves to you that it's intended for max level, fully equipped characters to be significantly stronger than low-lvl/new characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubySzymek.1362 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 > @"Danikat.8537" said: > If you're unable to kill enemies on a low level map without a seriously over-powered attack then I can understand why you'd want to hang around starter areas farming the easiest events in the game Where did I say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just a flesh wound.3589 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > I’m curious though as to why someone would object to a nerf to the dismount in low level zones. Do the objectors play in those zones so very often that it’s important to them or do they have trouble killing things and need the dismount skill? If they don’t play in those low maps frequently or don’t need the skill to kill then I’m not sure how it affects them. > > > > > > I already explained in my first post why I want this to stay as it is. > > > > > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > Perhaps it’s veterans who are speaking out because new players don’t realize that there is a forum (and f2p can’t post on the forums at all). > > > > > > I don't think anyone here has been voted as an ambasador for new players. Speak for yourself please. Veterans shouldn't use "new player" card as they are not new players anymore. New players who paid for the game can come here and complain if they really feel like it. As for F2P players... you know... I don't care. They play for free and for me they have no right to affect the game for those who paid. > > > > > > The issue that's presented here is not really an issue. Things like this happened before mounts as 80s are already strong enough to 1 shot low lvl mobs. Core Tyria is mostly empty outside of daily map event day. It's just one map, for one day. I think everyone can survive it. > > > > > > Don't remove a feature from players who like it. If you don't like it, don't use it. > > > > It appears you have forgotten that a core principle of this game is the downscaling of players to match the map level. > > It appears you are jumping to conclusions too quickly. I adressed downscaling and game itself proves to you that it's intended for max level, fully equipped characters to be significantly stronger than low-lvl/new characters. > > That has nothing to do with the argument that the dismount in low level maps is not scaling properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubySzymek.1362 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > > I’m curious though as to why someone would object to a nerf to the dismount in low level zones. Do the objectors play in those zones so very often that it’s important to them or do they have trouble killing things and need the dismount skill? If they don’t play in those low maps frequently or don’t need the skill to kill then I’m not sure how it affects them. > > > > > > > > I already explained in my first post why I want this to stay as it is. > > > > > > > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > > Perhaps it’s veterans who are speaking out because new players don’t realize that there is a forum (and f2p can’t post on the forums at all). > > > > > > > > I don't think anyone here has been voted as an ambasador for new players. Speak for yourself please. Veterans shouldn't use "new player" card as they are not new players anymore. New players who paid for the game can come here and complain if they really feel like it. As for F2P players... you know... I don't care. They play for free and for me they have no right to affect the game for those who paid. > > > > > > > > The issue that's presented here is not really an issue. Things like this happened before mounts as 80s are already strong enough to 1 shot low lvl mobs. Core Tyria is mostly empty outside of daily map event day. It's just one map, for one day. I think everyone can survive it. > > > > > > > > Don't remove a feature from players who like it. If you don't like it, don't use it. > > > > > > It appears you have forgotten that a core principle of this game is the downscaling of players to match the map level. > > > > It appears you are jumping to conclusions too quickly. I adressed downscaling and game itself proves to you that it's intended for max level, fully equipped characters to be significantly stronger than low-lvl/new characters. > > > > > > That has nothing to do with the argument that the dismount in low level maps is not scaling properly. > How do you know this? Maybe it's intended. Until I see a statement from devs declaring something a bug, I consider everything that is in game as intended mechanic, tested and released by devs consciously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just a flesh wound.3589 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > > > I’m curious though as to why someone would object to a nerf to the dismount in low level zones. Do the objectors play in those zones so very often that it’s important to them or do they have trouble killing things and need the dismount skill? If they don’t play in those low maps frequently or don’t need the skill to kill then I’m not sure how it affects them. > > > > > > > > > > I already explained in my first post why I want this to stay as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > > > Perhaps it’s veterans who are speaking out because new players don’t realize that there is a forum (and f2p can’t post on the forums at all). > > > > > > > > > > I don't think anyone here has been voted as an ambasador for new players. Speak for yourself please. Veterans shouldn't use "new player" card as they are not new players anymore. New players who paid for the game can come here and complain if they really feel like it. As for F2P players... you know... I don't care. They play for free and for me they have no right to affect the game for those who paid. > > > > > > > > > > The issue that's presented here is not really an issue. Things like this happened before mounts as 80s are already strong enough to 1 shot low lvl mobs. Core Tyria is mostly empty outside of daily map event day. It's just one map, for one day. I think everyone can survive it. > > > > > > > > > > Don't remove a feature from players who like it. If you don't like it, don't use it. > > > > > > > > It appears you have forgotten that a core principle of this game is the downscaling of players to match the map level. > > > > > > It appears you are jumping to conclusions too quickly. I adressed downscaling and game itself proves to you that it's intended for max level, fully equipped characters to be significantly stronger than low-lvl/new characters. > > > > > > > > > > That has nothing to do with the argument that the dismount in low level maps is not scaling properly. > > > > How do you know this? Maybe it's intended. And maybe it’s not.... And that’s why we’re discussing it. Veterans are seeing a concern where low level players without mounts are having their fun affected in the only maps that they can play in and we are bringing it to ANet’s attention so they can look at it and adjust if necessary. If it turns out we are wrong then there will be no nerf and objectors can dismount in noob maps and kill mobs to their heart’s content. I’m not sure why someone would object, unless they play extensively in these zones and it would impact their playstyle. If they don’t play in the noob zones they’ll never encounter a dismount nerf and it won’t affect them. >Until I see a statement from devs declaring something a bug, I consider everything that is in game as intended mechanic, tested and released by devs consciously. Because bugs, etc have never been fixed/modified months later? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubySzymek.1362 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > > > > I’m curious though as to why someone would object to a nerf to the dismount in low level zones. Do the objectors play in those zones so very often that it’s important to them or do they have trouble killing things and need the dismount skill? If they don’t play in those low maps frequently or don’t need the skill to kill then I’m not sure how it affects them. > > > > > > > > > > > > I already explained in my first post why I want this to stay as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > > > > Perhaps it’s veterans who are speaking out because new players don’t realize that there is a forum (and f2p can’t post on the forums at all). > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think anyone here has been voted as an ambasador for new players. Speak for yourself please. Veterans shouldn't use "new player" card as they are not new players anymore. New players who paid for the game can come here and complain if they really feel like it. As for F2P players... you know... I don't care. They play for free and for me they have no right to affect the game for those who paid. > > > > > > > > > > > > The issue that's presented here is not really an issue. Things like this happened before mounts as 80s are already strong enough to 1 shot low lvl mobs. Core Tyria is mostly empty outside of daily map event day. It's just one map, for one day. I think everyone can survive it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't remove a feature from players who like it. If you don't like it, don't use it. > > > > > > > > > > It appears you have forgotten that a core principle of this game is the downscaling of players to match the map level. > > > > > > > > It appears you are jumping to conclusions too quickly. I adressed downscaling and game itself proves to you that it's intended for max level, fully equipped characters to be significantly stronger than low-lvl/new characters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That has nothing to do with the argument that the dismount in low level maps is not scaling properly. > > > > > > > How do you know this? Maybe it's intended. > > And maybe it’s not.... > > And that’s why we’re discussing it. Veterans are seeing a concern where low level players without mounts are having their fun affected in the only maps that they can play in and we are bringing it to ANet’s attention so they can look at it and adjust if necessary. If it turns out we are wrong then there will be no nerf and objectors can dismount in noob maps and kill mobs to their heart’s content. > > I’m not sure why someone would object, unless they play extensively in these zones and it would impact their playstyle. If they don’t play in the noob zones they’ll never encounter a dismount nerf and it won’t affect them. > > >Until I see a statement from devs declaring something a bug, I consider everything that is in game as intended mechanic, tested and released by devs consciously. > > Because bugs, etc have never been fixed/modified months later? Until it's declared as bug or fixed, there is no justification for you to say it's bugged or unintended. You are only a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malafaia.8903 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 The attack/ dismount skill obviously isn't downscaling on low lvl maps. And i think it should too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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