Zauriel Mooncat.4968 Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 > @"Tenrai Senshi.2017" said: > > @"Zauriel Mooncat.4968" said: > > > @"Tenrai Senshi.2017" said: > > > I'd imagine the main reason is because unlike clothes in real life, which are flexible, soft and bendable, and can thus be more form fitting regardless of your size or shape, digital armor/outfits need to be constructed to fit a specific model frame. It's not a simple matter of just throwing it over to the other gender and expecting it to work, you'd probably have a huge amount of issues in that regard because of how different the male and female models are in this game for most races. The only two races that are similar enough for it to work, the Charr and Asura, already have unisex outfits and armor in most cases. > > > > > > Basically it would require a rework for just about every single armor set in the game. It's hard enough to get new armor sets as it is, so the chances of them reworking all the existing sets is pretty much zero. > > > > Oh yes sir, actually another kind critic in the comments above said something similar, and did not had this in mind at all. So, I do see that extra work is needed in order to actually fit the female clothes into male and vice versa, so I do would believe they would maybe charge gems for the ability to have acces to female clothing for males, ooor vice versa. > > > > Now, maybe some one else would have a better idea on how that would work, Imean, I trully dont mind paying for such a service, we pay for the ability to make a total makeover, why not for this then? again, many opinions and ideas, my opinion is like clay at the end of the day, takes many hands to make a shape. > > I think the best thing you can expect, or ask for, is that future outfits have this consideration in mind. I don't think they'll rework older outfits/armor, even as a paid for service, unless the demand was high enough to justify it, especially when they might make a lot more money simply by adding a new mount skin, etc, which is also easier to implement. There's also a very small chance of future outfits getting this treatment, because again, developing everything twice to fit two different models (x3 races with gender model disparity) would require a lot of extra work, and the payoff may not be enough to warrant that effort. > > Of course, there's no harm in making requests, and I don't want to discourage you from doing so, but it's also good to have realistic expectations so you aren't disappointed if or when your suggestions are not heeded. It's also a good idea to try and keep possible developer limitations in mind, so that when you do make requests, they fall more in line with what is plausible or beneficial to both players and ANet. I can see those kinds of requests having more chance of being implemented. Well dear sir you did gave a very good option too that would deffinetly work too and would be a good alternative, other future outfits having that option, and maybe even more in the future once they have the time or anything, would rework the other outfits. And again I trully thank your comment, I do feel encouraged tho to try, as I have said, is an opinion and it shapes as clay, so other ideas also help to shape it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zauriel Mooncat.4968 Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 > @"Doomfrost.5728" said: > It would be too much work. They'd have to create double the amount of assets for each gender for all races as opposed to just one. Eh but, Sir we discussed that I understood that that is deffinetly a fact that I did not took in count, some kind critics on top of the comments mentioned that and I really agree with that, and also agree that maybe a charge for x ammount of gems would do too since it is an extra work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zauriel Mooncat.4968 Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 > @"Tom Hsiao.9705" said: > I get the idea to dress sexy show skin etc but cross dress I'm not so sure about it... and that's not just talking about creating a new outfit or something you're asking them to remodel everything from before to fit male character figures. Dear sir what you say is true and we have been discussing it on the comments below thanks to the kind critics. It is true that it implies extra work and Ibelieve it is true some kind of charge should be made in order to work, or apply such option to future outfits instead of the current ones because would have a lot of work to be done and we have to take in counts all the other projects over Anet's head, so I do am taking now in count this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjfinlay.5614 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 > @"FlyingK.9720" said: > Agreed that Anet plays things way too safe to include such topics. A shame too, because other games like Blade and Soul do have a few gender bending / gender neutral outfits and allow a person to make some rather attractive characters: > > https://imgur.com/a/JfojEC8 In fairness, ANet has put a trans NPC in Lion's Arch. I agree that they tend to play things safe but it's not like they're 100% afraid of rocking the boat. As pointed out before, I think the biggest obstacle is the different figures between male and female characters. They ARE built different (most noticeable on humans for example) that would require creating a ton more assets. There's a few people here going "eurgh no I don't want to see that", but hey - there's a lot in the game people don't want to see, and you can just live with it. > @"Ardenwolfe.8590" said: > Do you, Boo. :) Best. Sentiment. Ever. That's all there is to it, if it were in the game. Just let people be themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zauriel Mooncat.4968 Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 > @"Plautze.6290" said: > Biggest, fattest norn with ribbons and flowers in their hair combined with that huge mustache, wearing human female T3 underboob armor... That's going to be the day I rip my eyes out. With a rusty ice ball maker. Laughing. > > More serious: No. Just no. Well sir as I said, I do not judge, troll, actual transgender, person who wants to try, etc, I am in no place to judge, I do believe that actually adds some fun fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingK.9720 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 > @"chrisjfinlay.5614" said: > > In fairness, ANet has put a trans NPC in Lion's Arch. I agree that they tend to play things safe but it's not like they're 100% afraid of rocking the boat. > > As pointed out before, I think the biggest obstacle is the different figures between male and female characters. They ARE built different (most noticeable on humans for example) that would require creating a ton more assets. > > There's a few people here going "eurgh no I don't want to see that", but hey - there's a lot in the game people don't want to see, and you can just live with it. > imma be lazy and quote my other post: > @"FlyingK.9720" said: > > @"Doomfrost.5728" said: > > It would be too much work. They'd have to create double the amount of assets for each gender for all races as opposed to just one. > > Not at all, every MMO that includes gender bending outfits like BnS only have a handful of outfits that are either gender neutral (look the same on both, like robes) or gender-bending outfits. No need to remake everything when just a couple outfits would be more than enough. > > But really, most of the meat would be in the character creator to allow feminine hairstyles and makeup on males so that instead of this: > https://bns.mmo-fashion.com/my-angel/ > > You could end up more like what I posted earlier: > > @"FlyingK.9720" said: > > https://imgur.com/a/JfojEC8 > > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zauriel Mooncat.4968 Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 > @"Ayakaru.6583" said: > Because unlike in real life, clothes in game are models/objects. > If you put on a dress on a male you will see clipping and stretching issues that even the charr have only seen in nightmares. > So 'male dresses' need to be made separately, and i don't want anet to waste time on that But sir we have talked about this on the comments above, I do understand this means extra work and believe that would be tru to implement this on future outfits instead of the current ones (or maybe work on that veery later on) or also charge for such a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjfinlay.5614 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 > @"FlyingK.9720" said: > > @"chrisjfinlay.5614" said: > > > > In fairness, ANet has put a trans NPC in Lion's Arch. I agree that they tend to play things safe but it's not like they're 100% afraid of rocking the boat. > > > > As pointed out before, I think the biggest obstacle is the different figures between male and female characters. They ARE built different (most noticeable on humans for example) that would require creating a ton more assets. > > > > There's a few people here going "eurgh no I don't want to see that", but hey - there's a lot in the game people don't want to see, and you can just live with it. > > > > imma be lazy and quote my other post: I'm just speculating, really. Not knowing how the back-end of the game is built and how outfits interact with models specifically in this engine, it's impossible to say one way or the other how easy or difficult it would be for ANet to add it in. Most of their team seems to be pretty hard at work on LWS4 at the moment, wouldn't even want to guess how many resources they have to throw at something like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zauriel Mooncat.4968 Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 ----0---- Another Line to remember where I left off, sorry if is a bit bothersome or strange but I am trying to reply as much as possible and keep memory from where I left off, also please sorry for my English in some of my replies. ----0---- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjfinlay.5614 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 > @"Zauriel Mooncat.4968" said: > ----0---- > Another Line to remember where I left off, sorry if is a bit bothersome or strange but I am trying to reply as much as possible and keep memory from where I left off, also please sorry for my English in some of my replies. > ----0---- No need to apologise bud, your English is pretty good =) Don't stress yourself about replying to everyone - not every comment needs to be replied to. Especially when someone's stating the same as a comment before. No need to make more work for yourself =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zauriel Mooncat.4968 Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 > @"chrisjfinlay.5614" said: > > @"FlyingK.9720" said: > > > @"chrisjfinlay.5614" said: > > > > > > In fairness, ANet has put a trans NPC in Lion's Arch. I agree that they tend to play things safe but it's not like they're 100% afraid of rocking the boat. > > > > > > As pointed out before, I think the biggest obstacle is the different figures between male and female characters. They ARE built different (most noticeable on humans for example) that would require creating a ton more assets. > > > > > > There's a few people here going "eurgh no I don't want to see that", but hey - there's a lot in the game people don't want to see, and you can just live with it. > > > > > > > imma be lazy and quote my other post: > > I'm just speculating, really. Not knowing how the back-end of the game is built and how outfits interact with models specifically in this engine, it's impossible to say one way or the other how easy or difficult it would be for ANet to add it in. Most of their team seems to be pretty hard at work on LWS4 at the moment, wouldn't even want to guess how many resources they have to throw at something like this. Well yes sir it is true that they are right now highly busy with other thigns that have higher importance, but this is an idea for a future implementation, and we have discussed in the comments below a few thigns that seem to be fair when it comes to this idea since it requieres a lot of work, such as an extra payed service or something implemented for future outfits. But by no chance I want to underestimate the problems that right now Anet's team are facing when contrasting my idea with many other ideas that have to same to more value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zauriel Mooncat.4968 Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 > @"chrisjfinlay.5614" said: > > @"Zauriel Mooncat.4968" said: > > ----0---- > > Another Line to remember where I left off, sorry if is a bit bothersome or strange but I am trying to reply as much as possible and keep memory from where I left off, also please sorry for my English in some of my replies. > > ----0---- > > No need to apologise bud, your English is pretty good =) > > Don't stress yourself about replying to everyone - not every comment needs to be replied to. Especially when someone's stating the same as a comment before. No need to make more work for yourself =) I just feel it is my job as the creator of the threat to reply and make sure people recal or are in the same page with the discussions made. It is a bit mroe work, but is something I pay in order to try to portray myself and my opinion as an idea and, hopefully, something made into reality, and not as a troublemaker or some one that just doesnt care about something that he has stated and doesnt put effort on keeping with replies or keeping up with shaping or understanding on different values on criticism. (plus is the first time I do this and is another way of learning too, trying to not cause trouble and trying my best to show validity on my opinion and understanding in the opinions and imput of others) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inculpatus cedo.9234 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Do keep in mind, sis, that 'paying extra' might not cover the costs; if the item(s) don't sell well enough (there isn't enough interest from the percentage of the playerbase targeted), the work is for naught. These are the things the Devs consider before implementing fringe content, I would guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuickFox.3826 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 **Fine with me**, but as LoTRO player, where you can use any outfit on any gender, **you will need to be prepared for great disappointments**. I once previewed some female Elven clothing for my somewhat feminine male elf char, but it looked horrible. I think the better option is to have more styles of fashion within the genres, including more masculine styles for females and more feminine styles for males. In that account: I love the new [Elonian Elementalist outfit](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/40892/thanks-for-the-elonian-elementalist-outfit "Elonian Elementalist outfit"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoiseRen.2403 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 God, i hope they'll never implement it. It's one of the best MMOs on market now i'll be really sad to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menadena.7482 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Good luck in your quest but as has been pointed out there are a few things standing in the way ranging from technical (and resource) issues to US mores. I would reemphasize one suggestion and add that you can use role playing to get over some hurdles. Roll another character on your account for the gender of armor you want. When creating the character choose a name that reflects what name the gender you want to present as (maybe a female character called Hank for example). The same for physical attributes (a flat chested woman still gets female armor). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menadena.7482 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 > @"NoiseRen.2403" said: > God, i hope they'll never implement it. It's one of the best MMOs on market now i'll be really sad to leave. Can I have your stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarcShriek.5829 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 It seems like it would be a lot of extra work for something only a few people would use. It's a shame that people can't leave politics out of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasida.4085 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 > @"Inculpatus cedo.9234" said: > As to this: "_to be able to cross-dress in game too and feel more feminine if you are male or more masculine if you are female._" > One could just create the opposite-gender character to fulfill that desire, it seems. This!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juhani.5361 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 > @"DarcShriek.5829" said: > It seems like it would be a lot of extra work for something only a few people would use. It's a shame that people can't leave politics out of this thread. I'd probably use a lot of the male styled light armor for my female characters. I really detest the female version of most of the outfits. I've done a few key runs with female light armored humans/Norns, and I always feel like I'm running some kind of loli porno character. The starting garter belt miniskirt thing is _the worst_. Anyway, more options are always good. The whole point of "fashion wars" is to express yourself. You've got my support, OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deimos.4263 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 > @"Inculpatus cedo.9234" said: > As to this: "_to be able to cross-dress in game too and feel more feminine if you are male or more masculine if you are female._" > One could just create the opposite-gender character to fulfill that desire, it seems. Many trans and gender-fluid people do precisely this and are quite happy that we can. It's so much easier than dealing with these things in real life! Personally I'd be more worried about mean-spirited people trolling or making light of a cross-dressing option, if it were available. Wanting specifically to cross-dress, and emphasize that gender disparity _when the option to have the (flawless) virtual body of your choice is also available_, seems to be a relatively rare desire. But good on the OP for bringing it up. Much love and support, if this is something you truly want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STIHL.2489 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 > @"Zauriel Mooncat.4968" said: > > @"STIHL.2489" said: > > I think the general lack of boobs, would make putting female armor on a male toon, look pretty stupid, especially the heavy armor. > > Wait sir but we have the asuras who actually dont have boobs in any gender, or the charrs, but yes I do understand that point, as I replied to some one here, I do understand would maybe be more work put into it and again, would probably be a charged extra service. Asura have the same Armor Skin for both Male and Females, so, technically, if you are playing a Asura, you could role play cross dressing all the time, and even for the sake of being a troll, accuse others of doing the same. > @"Tommo Chocolate.5870" said: > > @"STIHL.2489" said: > > I think the general lack of boobs, would make putting female armor on a male toon, look pretty stupid, especially the heavy armor. > > On the other hand, male heavy armour - which doesn't have boobplates and random cutouts - would look great on female characters. Yes.. I am sure what every female toon wants, it is look like they are suffering though a vertical mammogram while they are exploring the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerioth.7062 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Charr female vs male armor is already near identical. https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Charr_female_heavy_armor https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Charr_male_heavy_armor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menadena.7482 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 > @"Deimos.4263" said: > > @"Inculpatus cedo.9234" said: > > As to this: "_to be able to cross-dress in game too and feel more feminine if you are male or more masculine if you are female._" > > One could just create the opposite-gender character to fulfill that desire, it seems. > Many trans and gender-fluid people do precisely this and are quite happy that we can. It's so much easier than dealing with these things in real life! > > Personally I'd be more worried about mean-spirited people trolling or making light of a cross-dressing option, if it were available. Wanting specifically to cross-dress, and emphasize that gender disparity _when the option to have the (flawless) virtual body of your choice is also available_, seems to be a relatively rare desire. > > But good on the OP for bringing it up. Much love and support, if this is something you truly want. Of course there are people, both in other games and in RL, who will do things like wear a dress and a beard at the same time. In game terms though, why try to modify something you can not control when there are other options to mix your character? Answer the character creator with what you want to wear then tweak the body type and/or name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlinvf.1358 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 > @"DarcShriek.5829" said: > It seems like it would be a lot of extra work for something only a few people would use. It's a shame that people can't leave politics out of this thread. Politics are inherent to human civilization..... as long as 2 people can communicate an idea, the exchange is inherently going to have political bias. The more ideas involved, the more political it gets. Even if they're in agreement, its still political. The real problem is people not being able to get past the politics, because we're exacerbating extreme opposition (us vs them), as opposed to processing information for things of value. In this particular case, I find the real issue is some RPers not really being capable of RPing, and need validation rather then actually ... you know..... "role playing". More concerned with "what" they are, rather then "who" they are..... which is ironic, given how they describe the reasons for wanting these features. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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