MaLeVoLenT.8129 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Here we have the release of the expansion making thousands of players return to the game after many many changes to server population and WvW status. They're coming back to the game to find that they can't play with their friends or their guilds during a new expansion in WvW simply because a large percentage of servers are locked. These dedicated WvW players are fizzling out and some servers have been locked for 4 months prior. There is a serious problem with how server status is conducted and there is still a massive problem with population balance. IT seems short sighted for Arena Net to release an expansion and not allow people to play with their friends in WvW. I know this is a big PvE expansion but this is still crazy to me. I understand that the top end of servers are way to stacked and opening them garners a more stacked server. However the problem was already there and even though the community has cried about this problem nothing was done about it. P.S. There are even half dead servers that are locked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesdolla.3954 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 #openBG #makeBGgreatagain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylvyn.4750 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Can we just put BG in Tier 0 and have it fight itself? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDchiaScrub.3241 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 No. Only ANET is allowed to match manipulate via links, and players are not allowed because reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 BG, JQ should both remain closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanAce.1957 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > BG, JQ should both remain closed. This isn't a topic on who should remain locked, it's about the sheer amount of servers that are still locked because of the way Arena Net evaluates server population. Posts like yours are the reason threads like these get locked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasniffer.1763 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 All servers should open so people can get with friends and then do reevaluations a week later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 > @GentlemanAce.1957 said: > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > BG, JQ should both remain closed. > > This isn't a topic on who should remain locked, it's about the sheer amount of servers that are still locked because of the way Arena Net evaluates server population. Posts like yours are the reason threads like these get locked. > Threads get locked because of matchup discussions. Neither server has a link. Neither should open. If returning players aren't on the servers their main guild is on, it's likely because their guild moved around and left them behind. Maybe they need to find a new guild? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaLeVoLenT.8129 Posted September 25, 2017 Author Share Posted September 25, 2017 This is a thread isnt about BG and JQ and even those servers shouldnt be locked in the manner they are locked. Perma locking a server has already proven to not help the flow of population. It's also not fair to tell players too bad find another guild.. or make new friends.. and of course guilds and players move around. Server links invoke the movement of players as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorWunderbar.5037 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > @GentlemanAce.1957 said: > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > BG, JQ should both remain closed. > > > > This isn't a topic on who should remain locked, it's about the sheer amount of servers that are still locked because of the way Arena Net evaluates server population. Posts like yours are the reason threads like these get locked. > > > Threads get locked because of matchup discussions. > > Neither server has a link. Neither should open. > > If returning players aren't on the servers their main guild is on, it's likely because their guild moved around and left them behind. Maybe they need to find a new guild? > What type of argument is that? People returning to the game trying to play with their friends should be told "lol get new friends"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HatSimulator.9362 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 I give this a 10/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banzie.5248 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Tbh just keep servers open. Let BG Dominate all, while Mag farms all :-] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 > @DoctorWunderbar.5037 said: > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > @GentlemanAce.1957 said: > > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > BG, JQ should both remain closed. > > > > > > This isn't a topic on who should remain locked, it's about the sheer amount of servers that are still locked because of the way Arena Net evaluates server population. Posts like yours are the reason threads like these get locked. > > > > > Threads get locked because of matchup discussions. > > > > Neither server has a link. Neither should open. > > > > If returning players aren't on the servers their main guild is on, it's likely because their guild moved around and left them behind. Maybe they need to find a new guild? > > > > What type of argument is that? People returning to the game trying to play with their friends should be told "lol get new friends"? Nah, but evidently their friends don't think it is worth it to move down. So.. how good of friends are those? Reality is, people want to stack yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamurabi.7890 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 > @DoctorWunderbar.5037 said: > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > @GentlemanAce.1957 said: > > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > BG, JQ should both remain closed. > > > > > > This isn't a topic on who should remain locked, it's about the sheer amount of servers that are still locked because of the way Arena Net evaluates server population. Posts like yours are the reason threads like these get locked. > > > > > Threads get locked because of matchup discussions. > > > > Neither server has a link. Neither should open. > > > > If returning players aren't on the servers their main guild is on, it's likely because their guild moved around and left them behind. Maybe they need to find a new guild? > > > > What type of argument is that? People returning to the game trying to play with their friends should be told "lol get new friends"? Either people returning to the game should not have left or their "friends" shouldn't have transferred servers, or both. You can always transfer your guild AND your friends to a link world instead of a host world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banzie.5248 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > @DoctorWunderbar.5037 said: > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > @GentlemanAce.1957 said: > > > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > > BG, JQ should both remain closed. > > > > > > > > This isn't a topic on who should remain locked, it's about the sheer amount of servers that are still locked because of the way Arena Net evaluates server population. Posts like yours are the reason threads like these get locked. > > > > > > > Threads get locked because of matchup discussions. > > > > > > Neither server has a link. Neither should open. > > > > > > If returning players aren't on the servers their main guild is on, it's likely because their guild moved around and left them behind. Maybe they need to find a new guild? > > > > > > > What type of argument is that? People returning to the game trying to play with their friends should be told "lol get new friends"? > > Nah, but evidently their friends don't think it is worth it to move down. So.. how good of friends are those? > > Reality is, people want to stack yet again. > Wait. But servers down below are "Full" also. Whats your argument here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 I wonder why the alliance just doesn't r> @Swamurabi.7890 said: > > @DoctorWunderbar.5037 said: > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > @GentlemanAce.1957 said: > > > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > > BG, JQ should both remain closed. > > > > > > > > This isn't a topic on who should remain locked, it's about the sheer amount of servers that are still locked because of the way Arena Net evaluates server population. Posts like yours are the reason threads like these get locked. > > > > > > > Threads get locked because of matchup discussions. > > > > > > Neither server has a link. Neither should open. > > > > > > If returning players aren't on the servers their main guild is on, it's likely because their guild moved around and left them behind. Maybe they need to find a new guild? > > > > > > > What type of argument is that? People returning to the game trying to play with their friends should be told "lol get new friends"? > > Either people returning to the game should not have left or their "friends" shouldn't have transferred servers, or both. > > You can always transfer your guild AND your friends to a link world instead of a host world. This. 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaLeVoLenT.8129 Posted September 25, 2017 Author Share Posted September 25, 2017 I would see your points if all servers were healthy wvw servers, if relinks didn't happen that force people to move every 2 months and lastly if Arena Net didnt profit on every 2 months people having to move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banzie.5248 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Do you people really believe WvW is healthier now than when it was when Servers were opened? I'd argue its far from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 > @Banzie.5248 said: > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > @DoctorWunderbar.5037 said: > > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > > @GentlemanAce.1957 said: > > > > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > > > BG, JQ should both remain closed. > > > > > > > > > > This isn't a topic on who should remain locked, it's about the sheer amount of servers that are still locked because of the way Arena Net evaluates server population. Posts like yours are the reason threads like these get locked. > > > > > > > > > Threads get locked because of matchup discussions. > > > > > > > > Neither server has a link. Neither should open. > > > > > > > > If returning players aren't on the servers their main guild is on, it's likely because their guild moved around and left them behind. Maybe they need to find a new guild? > > > > > > > > > > What type of argument is that? People returning to the game trying to play with their friends should be told "lol get new friends"? > > > > Nah, but evidently their friends don't think it is worth it to move down. So.. how good of friends are those? > > > > Reality is, people want to stack yet again. > > > > Wait. But servers down below are "Full" also. Whats your argument here. I didn't argue that. They lumped my statement into this. My point was only that JQ and BG should remain locked. That's what started the direct quotes of my comments. I've stated before: full does not equal full. I would have no problem with any server WITH a link being opened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banzie.5248 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > @Banzie.5248 said: > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > @DoctorWunderbar.5037 said: > > > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > > > @GentlemanAce.1957 said: > > > > > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > > > > BG, JQ should both remain closed. > > > > > > > > > > > > This isn't a topic on who should remain locked, it's about the sheer amount of servers that are still locked because of the way Arena Net evaluates server population. Posts like yours are the reason threads like these get locked. > > > > > > > > > > > Threads get locked because of matchup discussions. > > > > > > > > > > Neither server has a link. Neither should open. > > > > > > > > > > If returning players aren't on the servers their main guild is on, it's likely because their guild moved around and left them behind. Maybe they need to find a new guild? > > > > > > > > > > > > > What type of argument is that? People returning to the game trying to play with their friends should be told "lol get new friends"? > > > > > > Nah, but evidently their friends don't think it is worth it to move down. So.. how good of friends are those? > > > > > > Reality is, people want to stack yet again. > > > > > > > Wait. But servers down below are "Full" also. Whats your argument here. > > I didn't argue that. They lumped my statement into this. My point was only that JQ and BG should remain locked. That's what started the direct quotes of my comments. > > I've stated before: full does not equal full. I would have no problem with any server WITH a link being opened. I think what Mal is ultimately trying to say is Anets idea of a "Full" server is screwed up somewhere. Having playing against both TC and CD and then BG/FA/Mag/JQ their populations are no where near the same. We should have Anet review and rethink their determination of a Full server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorWunderbar.5037 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > @Banzie.5248 said: > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > @DoctorWunderbar.5037 said: > > > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > > > @GentlemanAce.1957 said: > > > > > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > > > > BG, JQ should both remain closed. > > > > > > > > > > > > This isn't a topic on who should remain locked, it's about the sheer amount of servers that are still locked because of the way Arena Net evaluates server population. Posts like yours are the reason threads like these get locked. > > > > > > > > > > > Threads get locked because of matchup discussions. > > > > > > > > > > Neither server has a link. Neither should open. > > > > > > > > > > If returning players aren't on the servers their main guild is on, it's likely because their guild moved around and left them behind. Maybe they need to find a new guild? > > > > > > > > > > > > > What type of argument is that? People returning to the game trying to play with their friends should be told "lol get new friends"? > > > > > > Nah, but evidently their friends don't think it is worth it to move down. So.. how good of friends are those? > > > > > > Reality is, people want to stack yet again. > > > > > > > Wait. But servers down below are "Full" also. Whats your argument here. > > I didn't argue that. They lumped my statement into this. My point was only that JQ and BG should remain locked. That's what started the direct quotes of my comments. > > I've stated before: full does not equal full. I would have no problem with any server WITH a link being opened. Do you legitimately think that servers like TC and FA are competitive with other "Full" servers? #SquadGols Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 > @DoctorWunderbar.5037 said: > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > @Banzie.5248 said: > > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > > @DoctorWunderbar.5037 said: > > > > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > > > > @GentlemanAce.1957 said: > > > > > > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > > > > > BG, JQ should both remain closed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This isn't a topic on who should remain locked, it's about the sheer amount of servers that are still locked because of the way Arena Net evaluates server population. Posts like yours are the reason threads like these get locked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Threads get locked because of matchup discussions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Neither server has a link. Neither should open. > > > > > > > > > > > > If returning players aren't on the servers their main guild is on, it's likely because their guild moved around and left them behind. Maybe they need to find a new guild? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What type of argument is that? People returning to the game trying to play with their friends should be told "lol get new friends"? > > > > > > > > Nah, but evidently their friends don't think it is worth it to move down. So.. how good of friends are those? > > > > > > > > Reality is, people want to stack yet again. > > > > > > > > > > Wait. But servers down below are "Full" also. Whats your argument here. > > > > I didn't argue that. They lumped my statement into this. My point was only that JQ and BG should remain locked. That's what started the direct quotes of my comments. > > > > I've stated before: full does not equal full. I would have no problem with any server WITH a link being opened. > > Do you legitimately think that servers like TC and FA are competitive with other "Full" servers? > > #SquadGols Read above. Never did I say *linked* servers shouldn't be opened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaLeVoLenT.8129 Posted September 25, 2017 Author Share Posted September 25, 2017 Strider Pj that makes no sense if you understand how relinks and server status work. They are not one in the same. Arena Net links servers based on a threshold. They want to be able to pair all servers but its not possible. Therefore a server can be locked at 50% of the threshold. There are some servers that well exceed this threshold of 50% and those servers will not receive any link. A server can be underpopulated based on the 100% threshold and have no link and still be locked simply because they cant find a pair that equates to 100% without going over that 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaLeVoLenT.8129 Posted September 25, 2017 Author Share Posted September 25, 2017 server-links allow for temporary imbalances as well. If there was a large pool of players not satisfied with their home world and they must look for a new one in todays day and age (Which seems to be what some are suggesting- to play with friends) they most likely will reside on a server link. Increasing the total amount of that pairs threshold until the next reevaluation. Where they will probably have to move again. This is not a fix. It's a continual bandaid that will be ripped off in 2 months of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevermore.2058 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Just open the damn servers!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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