Blodeuyn.2751 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Ill be brief - 8 weeks feels too long for server links with the current state of the game. We currently have these major issues: 1. Bandwagoning 2. Gaming of system 3. Tanking/match manipulation 4. Toxic links 5. Staleness of matches when locked into links for 8 weeks I'd like to see server links last 4 weeks until the Alliance system is implemented. Maybe shorter links will fix these issues, maybe not. All I know is that I am sick of waiting 8 weeks to get rid of a toxic link, or hoping certain servers are placed in their appropriate tier. I know I am not the only one tired of the other problems as well. Just my thoughts, maybe I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 they wont make as much money thru gems if we do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetoII.3782 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Why not weekly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 why why why =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrolan.9608 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 > @"Sovereign.1093" said: > they wont make as much money thru gems if we do this. They are completely getting rid of the ability to transfer I doubt gem income is significant at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > @"Sovereign.1093" said: > > they wont make as much money thru gems if we do this. > > They are completely getting rid of the ability to transfer I doubt gem income is significant at all. actually you can still transfer worlds =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loosmaster.8263 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 > @"Sovereign.1093" said: > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > @"Sovereign.1093" said: > > > they wont make as much money thru gems if we do this. > > > > They are completely getting rid of the ability to transfer I doubt gem income is significant at all. > > actually you can still transfer worlds =) I thought so too but I couldn't find the original thread about. You can transfer during the 8 week match for gems still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 > @"Loosmaster.8263" said: > > @"Sovereign.1093" said: > > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > > @"Sovereign.1093" said: > > > > they wont make as much money thru gems if we do this. > > > > > > They are completely getting rid of the ability to transfer I doubt gem income is significant at all. > > > > actually you can still transfer worlds =) > > I thought so too but I couldn't find the original thread about. You can transfer during the 8 week match for gems still. links in this sense will be the alliances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HazyDaisy.4107 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 The next 6 weeks will be the 4 headed hydra version 2.0 with 1u1d. It won't be as bad, but it'll still be nice to watch from the sidelines as opposed to front and center. I'd love 4 week rotations, I just NEED to see this first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrolan.9608 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 > @"Sovereign.1093" said: > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > @"Sovereign.1093" said: > > > they wont make as much money thru gems if we do this. > > > > They are completely getting rid of the ability to transfer I doubt gem income is significant at all. > > actually you can still transfer worlds =) In the alliance system? How? Even then the system should result in less movies therefore ostensibly less gem income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > @"Sovereign.1093" said: > > > @"morrolan.9608" said: > > > > @"Sovereign.1093" said: > > > > they wont make as much money thru gems if we do this. > > > > > > They are completely getting rid of the ability to transfer I doubt gem income is significant at all. > > > > actually you can still transfer worlds =) > > In the alliance system? How? > > Even then the system should result in less movies therefore ostensibly less gem income. (world(guild alliances(other guilds not in alliance(individual players)))) so those who are always together are the guild alliance, who get to move every 2 months, so the rest can go where they are if the place is not full. =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrolan.9608 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 But they get allocated to a world. Where does anet state that they can move after that allocation? Except in instances when they are joining a guild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 > @"morrolan.9608" said: > But they get allocated to a world. Where does anet state that they can move after that allocation? Except in instances when they are joining a guild. @devs what say you? lets let an anet dev answer that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HazyDaisy.4107 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 I thought I remembered reading in one of those threads that no one (guild or otherwise) could transfer the first or last week of the alliance system linking, but in 6 weeks in between (assuming they go with 8 week pairings) you could pay to transfer with the restrictions currently in place (ie no pips until a full week on new world). I can understand some safe guard restrictions, but it's unreasonabke to say no one can transfer at all during these linkings, especially if they're long, it doesn't do Anet or players any good to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenesisII.1540 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 It's in the world restructuring post... https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/26547/world-restructuring/p1 ![](https://i.imgur.com/4CfyYqe.jpg "") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrolan.9608 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Oh jeez that has the potential to just continue the bandwaggoning issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 it is ok to transfer =) dont worry to much about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trajan.4953 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 > @"LetoII.3782" said: > Why not weekly? Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 > @"morrolan.9608" said: > Oh jeez that has the potential to just continue the bandwaggoning issue. Sort of... It likely will be less than currently. That being said, I hope the systems sensitivity is a little quicker than the current system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etheri.2654 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 4 weeks isn't enough time to even out the ladder on +1-1. I really wonder what makes you think it's an improvement. Bandwagoning doesn't require links or server relinks. Also anet has created many "stacked" links by themselves without anyone asking for it. Tanking and match manipulation aren't related to the length of the season; but matchmaking stability is. A server which gets put in T4 might belong in a T2 matchup; but never reach its ideal mu in a 4 week span of time. Toxic links isn't a problem with links; but a problem with players and how the game doesn't incentivise working together. Staleness of matches is the state of the game. Your proposal doesn't fix any of the issues you're trying to fix. Please review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeceiverX.8361 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Should have always been two weeks like I proposed. Anything longer and people will game it. As they're doing. Especially if WvW rewards are good and can cover the cost of transferring around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitavia.5276 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 If a solution isn't found, then wvw may not make it to alliances. The abuse of this transfer system has only increased as time has gone on. I'm glad there are some at least willing to help try to find a solution. Perhaps all servers should be locked for the first 1/2 of a linking. Or even up to 2 weeks before the next linking. Allow people to shift and join friends, etc just before the new linking so that their numbers are properly factored in before the new linking and thus it is balanced for the next few weeks. The current system is just breaking the game more and more each matchup. If Anet does nothing, as certain new games come out, they are going to loose more of the wvw player base. Ktrains will be all those here who stay will have left. Be nice to find some solution to this mess that links created. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunkamania.7561 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Didn't we vote for 1 month server relinks and they made it 2 months anyways? Not 100% positive on this but anet does what anet wants even if it's wrong and relinks should be done every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenesisII.1540 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 > @"hunkamania.7561" said: > Didn't we vote for 1 month server relinks and they made it 2 months anyways? Not 100% positive on this but anet does what anet wants even if it's wrong and relinks should be done every week. It was not a "majority" vote, most of the players voted for 1 month and 3 months, so they went with 2 months. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/WvW-Poll-6-June-World-Linking-Schedule-CLOSED/page/3#post6196507 > 38.1% Reevaluate match-ups monthly. > 15.9% Reevaluate match-ups every other month. > 28.9% Reevaluate match-ups quarterly. Also constant relinking gives servers less time to settle, which means more chaotic matches, and more time for devs working on data than wvw, as the system is not automated but it will be with the alliance system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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