Daddicus.6128 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 I looked over the recipes for bags on the wiki (https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bag). 24-slot bags seem to be the right size for the next step in bags. And, the price is OK (except maybe for the special PoF-only requirements). But, am I correct that 80+% of the old bags are not able to be used to upgrade to 24-slotters? There are uses for safe boxes, and for Pact equipment boxes, but not for regular equipment boxes? How about the dozens of pillager's packs and siegemaster's satchels I've purchased from WvW? Halloween bags? Etc. Are they all lost in no-upgrade-path land? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game of Bones.8975 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 32-slot bags for 250 gold material price!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARIORSCHARGEING.2637 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 yes you are right they are all lost and on that you can not use them at all and to be very honest here if you have the 20 slot gossamer bags . you can use them to up grade to the 24 bags and then use them to up grade to the 32 slot bags https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/32-Slot_Gossamer_Saddlebag good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djinn.9245 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 It does seem that you are correct. But I will probably never use these new bag recipes because the bags are Bind on Equip. I can't see putting that much gold into a character that I might decide not to play at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARIORSCHARGEING.2637 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 but still 256 slots one would never have to worry too much about space for a while . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddicus.6128 Posted September 27, 2017 Author Share Posted September 27, 2017 > @Djinn.9245 said: > It does seem that you are correct. But I will probably never use these new bag recipes because the bags are Bind on Equip. I can't see putting that much gold into a character that I might decide not to play at some point. Soulbound? Yeah, you're right. That much money for soulbound is absurd. I swap bags between characters all the time, to keep them all even. I don't mind so much having a few bags that are just smaller. But, it's well into 80% for me. I don't understand why they would stick it to their players like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddicus.6128 Posted September 27, 2017 Author Share Posted September 27, 2017 > @WARIORSCHARGEING.2637 said: > but still 256 slots one would never have to worry too much about space for a while . Speak for yourself. I can fill them as fast as I get them. 256 is less than double what I have now on my mains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddicus.6128 Posted September 27, 2017 Author Share Posted September 27, 2017 > @WARIORSCHARGEING.2637 said: > yes you are right they are all lost and on that you can not use them at all and to be very honest here if you have the 20 slot gossamer bags . you can use them to up grade to the 24 bags and then use them to up grade to the 32 slot bags https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/32-Slot_Gossamer_Saddlebag good luck Yeah, I saw that. That's what my post is about: SOME of the bags we already own can be upgraded to 24-slot bags. But, only a small fraction of them. That's a lot of money to throw away. (Not really, because I'll just move them to other characters, doing a daisy-chain promotion of slots down the list of characters.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARIORSCHARGEING.2637 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 > @Daddicus.6128 said: > > @WARIORSCHARGEING.2637 said: > > yes you are right they are all lost and on that you can not use them at all and to be very honest here if you have the 20 slot gossamer bags . you can use them to up grade to the 24 bags and then use them to up grade to the 32 slot bags https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/32-Slot_Gossamer_Saddlebag good luck > > Yeah, I saw that. That's what my post is about: SOME of the bags we already own can be upgraded to 24-slot bags. But, only a small fraction of them. That's a lot of money to throw away. (Not really, because I'll just move them to other characters, doing a daisy-chain promotion of slots down the list of characters.) now your thinking and in doing so . I think your find it more easy to get the 32 bags as well . and I can not remember but I think its 10 or 12 slots bags you can sell where you can get some money back from that point on with high slot bags . I also believe after looking at the wiki that using the gossamer bags will be the most way for one to get the 32 slot bags the most easiest of ways possible . far as the other bags you can not sell on trade post . maybe you can sell them to a vendor . I have done that myself . while upgrading to a higher level bag slot count . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illconceived Was Na.9781 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 > @Daddicus.6128 said: > > @WARIORSCHARGEING.2637 said: > > yes you are right they are all lost and on that you can not use them at all and to be very honest here if you have the 20 slot gossamer bags . you can use them to up grade to the 24 bags and then use them to up grade to the 32 slot bags https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/32-Slot_Gossamer_Saddlebag good luck > > Yeah, I saw that. That's what my post is about: SOME of the bags we already own can be upgraded to 24-slot bags. But, only a small fraction of them. That's a lot of money to throw away. (Not really, because I'll just move them to other characters, doing a daisy-chain promotion of slots down the list of characters.) Some 20-slot bags are cheaper to obtain, so I imagine they intended that not all would have the same upgrade path. I just move them around to storage toons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddicus.6128 Posted September 27, 2017 Author Share Posted September 27, 2017 > @WARIORSCHARGEING.2637 said: > > @Daddicus.6128 said: > > > @WARIORSCHARGEING.2637 said: > > > yes you are right they are all lost and on that you can not use them at all and to be very honest here if you have the 20 slot gossamer bags . you can use them to up grade to the 24 bags and then use them to up grade to the 32 slot bags https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/32-Slot_Gossamer_Saddlebag good luck > > > > Yeah, I saw that. That's what my post is about: SOME of the bags we already own can be upgraded to 24-slot bags. But, only a small fraction of them. That's a lot of money to throw away. (Not really, because I'll just move them to other characters, doing a daisy-chain promotion of slots down the list of characters.) > > now your thinking and in doing so . I think your find it more easy to get the 32 bags as well . and I can not remember but I think its 10 or 12 slots bags you can sell where you can get some money back from that point on with high slot bags . I also believe after looking at the wiki that using the gossamer bags will be the most way for one to get the 32 slot bags the most easiest of ways possible . far as the other bags you can not sell on trade post . maybe you can sell them to a vendor . I have done that myself . while upgrading to a higher level bag slot count . You haven't read the details of the recipes, have you? A 32-slot bag costs a 28-slot bag and some expensive materials (mats). A 28-slot bag costs a 24-slot bag and some mats. And, the 24-slot bags cost TWO 20-slot bags and some other stuff. So, we're talking about a LOT of money. But, that's not my complaint; I think the price is reasonable. After all, 20-slot bags cost 5 times what 18-slot bags did. My issue is that only a handful of 20-slot bags are useful to upgrade to 24-slot bags. I have many dozens of bags that aren't eligible. I stopped making 18-slot bags, but I never stopped making 20-slotters. But, a large percentage of them can't be used for the upgrades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illconceived Was Na.9781 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 > @Daddicus.6128 said: > My issue is that only a handful of 20-slot bags are useful to upgrade to 24-slot bags. I have many dozens of bags that aren't eligible. I stopped making 18-slot bags, but I never stopped making 20-slotters. But, a large percentage of them can't be used for the upgrades. Except lots of those were far far cheaper than the 'eligible' ones. I'm sure it's deliberate on ANet's part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddicus.6128 Posted September 27, 2017 Author Share Posted September 27, 2017 > @"Illconceived Was Na.9781" said: > > @Daddicus.6128 said: > > My issue is that only a handful of 20-slot bags are useful to upgrade to 24-slot bags. I have many dozens of bags that aren't eligible. I stopped making 18-slot bags, but I never stopped making 20-slotters. But, a large percentage of them can't be used for the upgrades. > > Except lots of those were far far cheaper than the 'eligible' ones. I'm sure it's deliberate on ANet's part. Most of them cannot be compared to the eligible ones, because they were gained through either actions or special "currencies". For example, the WvW bag cost 350 badges plus 7g. What is the value of badges? It can't be measured accurately, because of the variety of items it can purchase. Same thing with Halloween bags, which cost cobs (ultimately, candy corn). The most egregious one, though, is the equipment box. The three boxes that "replaced" the equipment box (in the recipe list) are eligible, but the original one isn't. Why? I can sort of see your point on the oddball bags (event bags, for example). And maybe, if they're in a "screw the players" mindset, the WvW bags. But, certainly not for equipment boxes. I hope it's just an oversight. And, why on earth are they soulbound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illconceived Was Na.9781 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 > @Daddicus.6128 said: > > @"Illconceived Was Na.9781" said: > > > @Daddicus.6128 said: > > > My issue is that only a handful of 20-slot bags are useful to upgrade to 24-slot bags. I have many dozens of bags that aren't eligible. I stopped making 18-slot bags, but I never stopped making 20-slotters. But, a large percentage of them can't be used for the upgrades. > > > > Except lots of those were far far cheaper than the 'eligible' ones. I'm sure it's deliberate on ANet's part. > > Most of them cannot be compared to the eligible ones, because they were gained through either actions or special "currencies". For example, the WvW bag cost 350 badges plus 7g. What is the value of badges? It can't be measured accurately, because of the variety of items it can purchase. Same thing with Halloween bags, which cost cobs (ultimately, candy corn). Of course they can be compared, especially candy corn, which has more uses as a currency than as an ingredient. In particular, we can convert gold to candy corn easily and for 5-7 months each year, the Candy Pails have been far, far cheaper than ordinary 20-slot bags. Similarly, anyone who WvWs has more Badges of Honor than they can spend reasonably, so the WvW bags are also far, far cheaper. > The most egregious one, though, is the equipment box. The three boxes that "replaced" the equipment box (in the recipe list) are eligible, but the original one isn't. Why? I'm not sure what you mean by this. > > I can sort of see your point on the oddball bags (event bags, for example). And maybe, if they're in a "screw the players" mindset, the WvW bags. But, certainly not for equipment boxes. I hope it's just an oversight. That's not "screw the players" -- it's making a choice to protect the entire economy. > > And, why on earth are they soulbound? It's a known bug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddicus.6128 Posted September 27, 2017 Author Share Posted September 27, 2017 > @"Illconceived Was Na.9781" said: > > The most egregious one, though, is the equipment box. The three boxes that "replaced" the equipment box (in the recipe list) are eligible, but the original one isn't. Why? > I'm not sure what you mean by this. > There are three "pact equipment box" items available. All three (which do the same thing as a regular equipment box, as far as I can tell) have an upgrade path. But, the original, armorsmith-created "equipment box" doesn't have an upgrade path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddicus.6128 Posted September 27, 2017 Author Share Posted September 27, 2017 I'm glad to hear the soulbound thing is a bug, not a choice. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARIORSCHARGEING.2637 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 > @Daddicus.6128 said: > > @WARIORSCHARGEING.2637 said: > > > @Daddicus.6128 said: > > > > @WARIORSCHARGEING.2637 said: > > > > yes you are right they are all lost and on that you can not use them at all and to be very honest here if you have the 20 slot gossamer bags . you can use them to up grade to the 24 bags and then use them to up grade to the 32 slot bags https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/32-Slot_Gossamer_Saddlebag good luck > > > > > > Yeah, I saw that. That's what my post is about: SOME of the bags we already own can be upgraded to 24-slot bags. But, only a small fraction of them. That's a lot of money to throw away. (Not really, because I'll just move them to other characters, doing a daisy-chain promotion of slots down the list of characters.) > > > > now your thinking and in doing so . I think your find it more easy to get the 32 bags as well . and I can not remember but I think its 10 or 12 slots bags you can sell where you can get some money back from that point on with high slot bags . I also believe after looking at the wiki that using the gossamer bags will be the most way for one to get the 32 slot bags the most easiest of ways possible . far as the other bags you can not sell on trade post . maybe you can sell them to a vendor . I have done that myself . while upgrading to a higher level bag slot count . > > You haven't read the details of the recipes, have you? > > A 32-slot bag costs a 28-slot bag and some expensive materials (mats). A 28-slot bag costs a 24-slot bag and some mats. And, the 24-slot bags cost TWO 20-slot bags and some other stuff. > > So, we're talking about a LOT of money. But, that's not my complaint; I think the price is reasonable. After all, 20-slot bags cost 5 times what 18-slot bags did. > > My issue is that only a handful of 20-slot bags are useful to upgrade to 24-slot bags. I have many dozens of bags that aren't eligible. I stopped making 18-slot bags, but I never stopped making 20-slotters. But, a large percentage of them can't be used for the upgrades. oh yes I have fully read them and use them a lot for all my toons . and you are right on these things fully . and I understand what it is your saying can not blame you their at all. I was thinking about this and it is a shame they have not included them but also I thought about have you tried the mystic forge with them ???? maybe they could be something useful their maybe . in the worse case but yet not so much at least some of them I think can be sold to vendors maybe good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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