BlaqueFyre.5678 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 > @Rumba.3174 said: > > @atticus.5284 said: > > WvW + its modes > > * Core WvW > > ~~* Edge of the mists~~ > > > > Only one correction - Edge of the mists is not WvW > > > > > > Right... cos you don't get wxp nor have ranks and Abilites there. Heck eotm is not even in the WvW tab. Again you want Mist War Rewards for not playing the Mist War, again that's like asking for Raid Rewards to be handed out in Dungeons because they are both PvE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumba.3174 Posted October 1, 2017 Author Share Posted October 1, 2017 > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > So now that we have new people in WvW, it's 'they stink so get out?' > > > > > > You must be playing on a server that ques all 4 maps then. > > Yes we have new players and that really awesome! Indeed I’m in a server that got 4 queues. > > > > But as I said in OP, due to that eotm does not have pips the pugs come to core wvw and they don’t want to join VoIP, cos they are pugs. Due to this it causes alot of friction in map/team chat. So by giving eotm pips they can enjoy their pug wvw back in eotm and still get their rewards. > > Heaven forbid they should be embraced and worked with to train them. > > So, under your plan, that would also count towards your servers activity for full status then? > > You are totally missing the point! New players are not the issue they want to learn that great cos then they come to VoIP. Dunno how many times I need to tell you its pugs AKA players that don’t want to learn that are there for the loot? Let’s turn it around; You don’t think you are a cunt towards those who like to wvw pug? Why being a cunt and not letting them have a pip system, how does this effect you in a bad way or anybody else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumba.3174 Posted October 1, 2017 Author Share Posted October 1, 2017 > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > @atticus.5284 said: > > > WvW + its modes > > > * Core WvW > > > ~~* Edge of the mists~~ > > > > > > Only one correction - Edge of the mists is not WvW > > > > > > > > > > Right... cos you don't get wxp nor have ranks and Abilites there. Heck eotm is not even in the WvW tab. > > Again you want Mist War Rewards for not playing the Mist War, again that's like asking for Raid Rewards to be handed out in Dungeons because they are both PvE No it's like asking both stronghold and conquest to get the pip system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqueFyre.5678 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 > @Rumba.3174 said: > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > > @atticus.5284 said: > > > > WvW + its modes > > > > * Core WvW > > > > ~~* Edge of the mists~~ > > > > > > > > Only one correction - Edge of the mists is not WvW > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right... cos you don't get wxp nor have ranks and Abilites there. Heck eotm is not even in the WvW tab. > > > > Again you want Mist War Rewards for not playing the Mist War, again that's like asking for Raid Rewards to be handed out in Dungeons because they are both PvE > > No it's like asking both stronghold and conquest to get the pip system. Which is still the same as asking Raid Rewards in Dungeons since they are both PvE. Just because Stronghold is PvP doesn't mean it gets the League Rewards. See how there are main Gamemodes with subsets under them? See how each subset has different rewards? See how Mist Wars is completely different from EotM? Again it's not a difficult concept EotM doesn't = The Mist award so EotM doesn't get the Mist War Rewards. They both fall under WvW but again the Pips are Mist War exclusive as stated by the Devs. Again a very simple concept. And one last time, EotM is there as an overflow while players wait for queue into The Mist Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 > @Rumba.3174 said: > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > So now that we have new people in WvW, it's 'they stink so get out?' > > > > > > > > You must be playing on a server that ques all 4 maps then. > > > Yes we have new players and that really awesome! Indeed I’m in a server that got 4 queues. > > > > > > But as I said in OP, due to that eotm does not have pips the pugs come to core wvw and they don’t want to join VoIP, cos they are pugs. Due to this it causes alot of friction in map/team chat. So by giving eotm pips they can enjoy their pug wvw back in eotm and still get their rewards. > > > > Heaven forbid they should be embraced and worked with to train them. > > > > So, under your plan, that would also count towards your servers activity for full status then? > > > > > > You are totally missing the point! New players are not the issue they want to learn that great cos then they come to VoIP. > > Dunno how many times I need to tell you its pugs AKA players that don’t want to learn that are there for the loot? Let’s turn it around; You don’t think you are a kitten towards those who like to wvw pug? Why being a kitten and not letting them have a pip system, how does this effect you in a bad way or anybody else? Because it brings more players into WvW. And gives those of us that have kept the mode going some hope of having new blood. Again: EOtM is not WvW. You saying it is, doesn't make it so. Devs have noted it's not. Have a good day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumba.3174 Posted October 1, 2017 Author Share Posted October 1, 2017 > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > > So now that we have new people in WvW, it's 'they stink so get out?' > > > > > > > > > > You must be playing on a server that ques all 4 maps then. > > > > Yes we have new players and that really awesome! Indeed I’m in a server that got 4 queues. > > > > > > > > But as I said in OP, due to that eotm does not have pips the pugs come to core wvw and they don’t want to join VoIP, cos they are pugs. Due to this it causes alot of friction in map/team chat. So by giving eotm pips they can enjoy their pug wvw back in eotm and still get their rewards. > > > > > > Heaven forbid they should be embraced and worked with to train them. > > > > > > So, under your plan, that would also count towards your servers activity for full status then? > > > > > > > > > > You are totally missing the point! New players are not the issue they want to learn that great cos then they come to VoIP. > > > > Dunno how many times I need to tell you its pugs AKA players that don’t want to learn that are there for the loot? Let’s turn it around; You don’t think you are a kitten towards those who like to wvw pug? Why being a kitten and not letting them have a pip system, how does this effect you in a bad way or anybody else? > > Because it brings more players into WvW. And gives those of us that have kept the mode going some hope of having new blood. > > Again: EOtM is not WvW. You saying it is, doesn't make it so. Devs have noted it's not. > > Have a good day! How can it bring more to wvw when they are stuck in the queues? Try read wiki: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/World_versus_World https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Edge_of_the_Mists Indeed have a good day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDchiaScrub.3241 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Wut. People actually arguing semantics or am I missing something? D: Both intend to pit a massive group of players against another massive group of players. If only the EotM map wasn't dooky, I'd go there more often because the "normal WvW" gets crapped on by less than ideal game mechanic additions (bloodlust/gliding/guild upgrades, yes I think their implementations are poor). Map resetting every few hours works well enough to prevent stagnation or dead matchups...still a bad map to play on. Not saying the "normal WvW" has the best maps. They aren't. Just slightly more tolerable than EotM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumba.3174 Posted October 1, 2017 Author Share Posted October 1, 2017 > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > > > @atticus.5284 said: > > > > > WvW + its modes > > > > > * Core WvW > > > > > ~~* Edge of the mists~~ > > > > > > > > > > Only one correction - Edge of the mists is not WvW > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right... cos you don't get wxp nor have ranks and Abilites there. Heck eotm is not even in the WvW tab. > > > > > > Again you want Mist War Rewards for not playing the Mist War, again that's like asking for Raid Rewards to be handed out in Dungeons because they are both PvE > > > > No it's like asking both stronghold and conquest to get the pip system. > > Which is still the same as asking Raid Rewards in Dungeons since they are both PvE. > > Just because Stronghold is PvP doesn't mean it gets the League Rewards. > > See how there are main Gamemodes with subsets under them? See how each subset has different rewards? See how Mist Wars is completely different from EotM? > > Again it's not a difficult concept EotM doesn't = The Mist award so EotM doesn't get the Mist War Rewards. > > They both fall under WvW but again the Pips are Mist War exclusive as stated by the Devs. > > Again a very simple concept. > > And one last time, EotM is there as an overflow while players wait for queue into The Mist Wars. No it's like asking diffrent raid wings to have simluar loot. it's like asking diffrent dungeons have simular loot. See how unfair it is to those who want to pug wvw? See why the queues are so high? See why eotm lost players? Again a very simple concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blodeuyn.2751 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 > @Rumba.3174 said: > > @Blodeuyn.2751 said: > > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > > @XenesisII.1540 said: > > > > Eotm was only ever meant to be a place for players to play when they were stuck in queue, not a different mode. > > > In the beginning yes but time has changed, it's become something of it's own. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Blodeuyn.2751 said: > > > > EoTM is not wvw and rightly should not be treated as such. > > > That's like saying Dugeons are not PvE > > > > EoTM score doesn't count for wvw, nothing you do in EoTM affects wvw score. There aren't even servers in EoTM as there are in wvw. The only thing you get is maybe supply drop in wvw citadel. So no, EoTM is not wvw and therefore should not get pips. > > Thats like saying; Fractals are not PvE cos nothing you do in Fractals will effect PvE thus it's not PvE. > @Rumba.3174 said: > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > > @Blodeuyn.2751 said: > > > > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > > > > @XenesisII.1540 said: > > > > > > Eotm was only ever meant to be a place for players to play when they were stuck in queue, not a different mode. > > > > > In the beginning yes but time has changed, it's become something of it's own. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Blodeuyn.2751 said: > > > > > > EoTM is not wvw and rightly should not be treated as such. > > > > > That's like saying Dugeons are not PvE > > > > > > > > EoTM score doesn't count for wvw, nothing you do in EoTM affects wvw score. There aren't even servers in EoTM as there are in wvw. The only thing you get is maybe supply drop in wvw citadel. So no, EoTM is not wvw and therefore should not get pips. > > > > > > Thats like saying; Fractals are not PvE cos nothing you do in Fractals will effect PvE thus it's not PvE. > > > > Not really. By that definition then WvW should get PvP pips as well. And vice versa because they both pit players against players. > > > > EOTM is just that. It's at best a lobby. And an introduction to some of the mechanics. > > > > > > **PvP + it's modes** > * Stronghold > * Conquest > > **WvW + its modes** > * Core WvW > * Edge of the mists > > **PvE + it's modes** > * Open world > * Living world > * Dugeons > * Fractals > * Raids > * Personal Story > @Rumba.3174 said: > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > So now that we have new people in WvW, it's 'they stink so get out?' > > > > You must be playing on a server that ques all 4 maps then. > Yes we have new players and that really awesome! Indeed I’m in a server that got 4 queues. > > But as I said in OP, due to that eotm does not have pips the pugs come to core wvw and they don’t want to join VoIP, cos they are pugs. Due to this it causes alot of friction in map/team chat. So by giving eotm pips they can enjoy their pug wvw back in eotm and still get their rewards. Ok so this is really about elitism. Got it. Moving on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 > @Rumba.3174 said: > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > > > So now that we have new people in WvW, it's 'they stink so get out?' > > > > > > > > > > > > You must be playing on a server that ques all 4 maps then. > > > > > Yes we have new players and that really awesome! Indeed I’m in a server that got 4 queues. > > > > > > > > > > But as I said in OP, due to that eotm does not have pips the pugs come to core wvw and they don’t want to join VoIP, cos they are pugs. Due to this it causes alot of friction in map/team chat. So by giving eotm pips they can enjoy their pug wvw back in eotm and still get their rewards. > > > > > > > > Heaven forbid they should be embraced and worked with to train them. > > > > > > > > So, under your plan, that would also count towards your servers activity for full status then? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are totally missing the point! New players are not the issue they want to learn that great cos then they come to VoIP. > > > > > > Dunno how many times I need to tell you its pugs AKA players that don’t want to learn that are there for the loot? Let’s turn it around; You don’t think you are a kitten towards those who like to wvw pug? Why being a kitten and not letting them have a pip system, how does this effect you in a bad way or anybody else? > > > > Because it brings more players into WvW. And gives those of us that have kept the mode going some hope of having new blood. > > > > Again: EOtM is not WvW. You saying it is, doesn't make it so. Devs have noted it's not. > > > > Have a good day! > How can it bring more to wvw when they are stuck in the queues? > Try read wiki: > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/World_versus_World > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Edge_of_the_Mists > > Indeed have a good day! then maybe move to a less populated server? So sorry you have that population glut. Your server should be in first with that kind of Pop and coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumba.3174 Posted October 1, 2017 Author Share Posted October 1, 2017 > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > > > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > > > > So now that we have new people in WvW, it's 'they stink so get out?' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must be playing on a server that ques all 4 maps then. > > > > > > Yes we have new players and that really awesome! Indeed I’m in a server that got 4 queues. > > > > > > > > > > > > But as I said in OP, due to that eotm does not have pips the pugs come to core wvw and they don’t want to join VoIP, cos they are pugs. Due to this it causes alot of friction in map/team chat. So by giving eotm pips they can enjoy their pug wvw back in eotm and still get their rewards. > > > > > > > > > > Heaven forbid they should be embraced and worked with to train them. > > > > > > > > > > So, under your plan, that would also count towards your servers activity for full status then? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are totally missing the point! New players are not the issue they want to learn that great cos then they come to VoIP. > > > > > > > > Dunno how many times I need to tell you its pugs AKA players that don’t want to learn that are there for the loot? Let’s turn it around; You don’t think you are a kitten towards those who like to wvw pug? Why being a kitten and not letting them have a pip system, how does this effect you in a bad way or anybody else? > > > > > > Because it brings more players into WvW. And gives those of us that have kept the mode going some hope of having new blood. > > > > > > Again: EOtM is not WvW. You saying it is, doesn't make it so. Devs have noted it's not. > > > > > > Have a good day! > > How can it bring more to wvw when they are stuck in the queues? > > Try read wiki: > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/World_versus_World > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Edge_of_the_Mists > > > > Indeed have a good day! > > then maybe move to a less populated server? > > So sorry you have that population glut. Your server should be in first with that kind of Pop and coverage. > haha :P server loyalty is a thing not to mention friends on that server. It's like being in a pvp guild and you start to take pride in your guilds achivements. Also it cost gems to move to other server. Honestly if eotm gets pips/nerfed pips they can always enter and start working for their fancy shiny stuff. And core wvw have lower queues and commanders have players that willing to follow litsen and can achive stuff. it's a win/win. Only after that it's just fixing that romers and scouts getting their rewards and wvw is near perfect. Part some balance issues but that goes for the whole game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqueFyre.5678 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 > @Rumba.3174 said: > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > > > > @atticus.5284 said: > > > > > > WvW + its modes > > > > > > * Core WvW > > > > > > ~~* Edge of the mists~~ > > > > > > > > > > > > Only one correction - Edge of the mists is not WvW > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right... cos you don't get wxp nor have ranks and Abilites there. Heck eotm is not even in the WvW tab. > > > > > > > > Again you want Mist War Rewards for not playing the Mist War, again that's like asking for Raid Rewards to be handed out in Dungeons because they are both PvE > > > > > > No it's like asking both stronghold and conquest to get the pip system. > > > > Which is still the same as asking Raid Rewards in Dungeons since they are both PvE. > > > > Just because Stronghold is PvP doesn't mean it gets the League Rewards. > > > > See how there are main Gamemodes with subsets under them? See how each subset has different rewards? See how Mist Wars is completely different from EotM? > > > > Again it's not a difficult concept EotM doesn't = The Mist award so EotM doesn't get the Mist War Rewards. > > > > They both fall under WvW but again the Pips are Mist War exclusive as stated by the Devs. > > > > Again a very simple concept. > > > > And one last time, EotM is there as an overflow while players wait for queue into The Mist Wars. > > No it's like asking diffrent raid wings to have simluar loot. it's like asking diffrent dungeons have simular loot. > See how unfair it is to those who want to pug wvw? See why the queues are so high? See why eotm lost players? > Again a very simple concept. No it's like you asking Unranked gets Ranked League Rewards. See they are both sPvP but they are different and have different rewards, just likeThe Mist Wars and EotM. You seem to be stretching here you keep claiming that Since EotM falls under WvW that it should get The Mist Wars Rewards, yet try to claim is different from if Unranked got League Rewards, and if Dungeons got Raid Rewards because you know they are both PvE. Remember EotM is just an queue overflow that functions on the fundamental level completely differently than The Mist War, and why they have separate rewards, just like those other examples. The Pips aren't WvW rewards they are Mist War Rewards. Again it's a very simple concept even a skritt can understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumba.3174 Posted October 2, 2017 Author Share Posted October 2, 2017 > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > > > > > @atticus.5284 said: > > > > > > > WvW + its modes > > > > > > > * Core WvW > > > > > > > ~~* Edge of the mists~~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only one correction - Edge of the mists is not WvW > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right... cos you don't get wxp nor have ranks and Abilites there. Heck eotm is not even in the WvW tab. > > > > > > > > > > Again you want Mist War Rewards for not playing the Mist War, again that's like asking for Raid Rewards to be handed out in Dungeons because they are both PvE > > > > > > > > No it's like asking both stronghold and conquest to get the pip system. > > > > > > Which is still the same as asking Raid Rewards in Dungeons since they are both PvE. > > > > > > Just because Stronghold is PvP doesn't mean it gets the League Rewards. > > > > > > See how there are main Gamemodes with subsets under them? See how each subset has different rewards? See how Mist Wars is completely different from EotM? > > > > > > Again it's not a difficult concept EotM doesn't = The Mist award so EotM doesn't get the Mist War Rewards. > > > > > > They both fall under WvW but again the Pips are Mist War exclusive as stated by the Devs. > > > > > > Again a very simple concept. > > > > > > And one last time, EotM is there as an overflow while players wait for queue into The Mist Wars. > > > > No it's like asking diffrent raid wings to have simluar loot. it's like asking diffrent dungeons have simular loot. > > See how unfair it is to those who want to pug wvw? See why the queues are so high? See why eotm lost players? > > Again a very simple concept. > > No it's like you asking Unranked gets Ranked League Rewards. > > See they are both sPvP but they are different and have different rewards, just likeThe Mist Wars and EotM. > > You seem to be stretching here you keep claiming that Since EotM falls under WvW that it should get The Mist Wars Rewards, yet try to claim is different from if Unranked got League Rewards, and if Dungeons got Raid Rewards because you know they are both PvE. > > Remember EotM is just an queue overflow that functions on the fundamental level completely differently than The Mist War, and why they have separate rewards, just like those other examples. > > > The Pips aren't WvW rewards they are Mist War Rewards. > > Again it's a very simple concept even a skritt can understand. > As i said many many times eotm has become something of it's own with time, yes dev made it do be a overflow for the que but that's not what it ended up to be in the community. You seem to be stuck in 2014 when eotm came out. It's so simple that even a 5 year old can understand things change with time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamurabi.7890 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 > @Rumba.3174 said: > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > > > So now that we have new people in WvW, it's 'they stink so get out?' > > > > > > > > > > > > You must be playing on a server that ques all 4 maps then. > > > > > Yes we have new players and that really awesome! Indeed I’m in a server that got 4 queues. > > > > > > > > > > But as I said in OP, due to that eotm does not have pips the pugs come to core wvw and they don’t want to join VoIP, cos they are pugs. Due to this it causes alot of friction in map/team chat. So by giving eotm pips they can enjoy their pug wvw back in eotm and still get their rewards. > > > > > > > > Heaven forbid they should be embraced and worked with to train them. > > > > > > > > So, under your plan, that would also count towards your servers activity for full status then? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are totally missing the point! New players are not the issue they want to learn that great cos then they come to VoIP. > > > > > > Dunno how many times I need to tell you its pugs AKA players that don’t want to learn that are there for the loot? Let’s turn it around; You don’t think you are a kitten towards those who like to wvw pug? Why being a kitten and not letting them have a pip system, how does this effect you in a bad way or anybody else? > > > > Because it brings more players into WvW. And gives those of us that have kept the mode going some hope of having new blood. > > > > Again: EOtM is not WvW. You saying it is, doesn't make it so. Devs have noted it's not. > > > > Have a good day! > How can it bring more to wvw when they are stuck in the queues? > Try read wiki: > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/World_versus_World > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Edge_of_the_Mists > > Indeed have a good day! I'm still waiting for the testing ground part of EotM to make an appearance in WvW since EotM has remained unchanged since it launched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 > @Swamurabi.7890 said: > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > > > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > > > > So now that we have new people in WvW, it's 'they stink so get out?' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must be playing on a server that ques all 4 maps then. > > > > > > Yes we have new players and that really awesome! Indeed I’m in a server that got 4 queues. > > > > > > > > > > > > But as I said in OP, due to that eotm does not have pips the pugs come to core wvw and they don’t want to join VoIP, cos they are pugs. Due to this it causes alot of friction in map/team chat. So by giving eotm pips they can enjoy their pug wvw back in eotm and still get their rewards. > > > > > > > > > > Heaven forbid they should be embraced and worked with to train them. > > > > > > > > > > So, under your plan, that would also count towards your servers activity for full status then? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are totally missing the point! New players are not the issue they want to learn that great cos then they come to VoIP. > > > > > > > > Dunno how many times I need to tell you its pugs AKA players that don’t want to learn that are there for the loot? Let’s turn it around; You don’t think you are a kitten towards those who like to wvw pug? Why being a kitten and not letting them have a pip system, how does this effect you in a bad way or anybody else? > > > > > > Because it brings more players into WvW. And gives those of us that have kept the mode going some hope of having new blood. > > > > > > Again: EOtM is not WvW. You saying it is, doesn't make it so. Devs have noted it's not. > > > > > > Have a good day! > > How can it bring more to wvw when they are stuck in the queues? > > Try read wiki: > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/World_versus_World > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Edge_of_the_Mists > > > > Indeed have a good day! > > I'm still waiting for the testing ground part of EotM to make an appearance in WvW since EotM has remained unchanged since it launched. Sentries were a function of EOTM first, and I believe watchtowers function was trials there also. Not in the upgrade sense but with it marking players. I also think some of the desert boss mechanics were tested there as well, but that is a guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqueFyre.5678 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 > @Rumba.3174 said: > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > > > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > > > > > > @atticus.5284 said: > > > > > > > > WvW + its modes > > > > > > > > * Core WvW > > > > > > > > ~~* Edge of the mists~~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only one correction - Edge of the mists is not WvW > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right... cos you don't get wxp nor have ranks and Abilites there. Heck eotm is not even in the WvW tab. > > > > > > > > > > > > Again you want Mist War Rewards for not playing the Mist War, again that's like asking for Raid Rewards to be handed out in Dungeons because they are both PvE > > > > > > > > > > No it's like asking both stronghold and conquest to get the pip system. > > > > > > > > Which is still the same as asking Raid Rewards in Dungeons since they are both PvE. > > > > > > > > Just because Stronghold is PvP doesn't mean it gets the League Rewards. > > > > > > > > See how there are main Gamemodes with subsets under them? See how each subset has different rewards? See how Mist Wars is completely different from EotM? > > > > > > > > Again it's not a difficult concept EotM doesn't = The Mist award so EotM doesn't get the Mist War Rewards. > > > > > > > > They both fall under WvW but again the Pips are Mist War exclusive as stated by the Devs. > > > > > > > > Again a very simple concept. > > > > > > > > And one last time, EotM is there as an overflow while players wait for queue into The Mist Wars. > > > > > > No it's like asking diffrent raid wings to have simluar loot. it's like asking diffrent dungeons have simular loot. > > > See how unfair it is to those who want to pug wvw? See why the queues are so high? See why eotm lost players? > > > Again a very simple concept. > > > > No it's like you asking Unranked gets Ranked League Rewards. > > > > See they are both sPvP but they are different and have different rewards, just likeThe Mist Wars and EotM. > > > > You seem to be stretching here you keep claiming that Since EotM falls under WvW that it should get The Mist Wars Rewards, yet try to claim is different from if Unranked got League Rewards, and if Dungeons got Raid Rewards because you know they are both PvE. > > > > Remember EotM is just an queue overflow that functions on the fundamental level completely differently than The Mist War, and why they have separate rewards, just like those other examples. > > > > > > The Pips aren't WvW rewards they are Mist War Rewards. > > > > Again it's a very simple concept even a skritt can understand. > > > > As i said many many times eotm has become something of it's own with time, yes dev made it do be a overflow for the que but that's not what it ended up to be in the community. You seem to be stuck in 2014 when eotm came out. It's so simple that even a 5 year old can understand things change with time. EotM still isn’t part of ThebMist Wars since is is fundamentally completely different from WvW, that it doesn’t get the rewards. It’s so simple to understand. And EotM hasn’t changed it’s literally stayed the same especially with the advent of the pip system it’s still just an overflow for the queue system. Sorry but there have been zero hanged to EotM since it shipped, besides the Livins World Season 1 events being removed, and the General WvW rework,(note how I said WvW not Mist War). Again EotM is nothing more than an overflow that isn’t part of The Mist War and doesn’t get the Mist War Rewards, no matter how much certain people complain about it. Again show how EotM has changed and where the Devs have stated EotM has changed and that it serves a different purpose than what it was originally designed/intended for. I’ll wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamurabi.7890 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > > > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > > > > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > > > > > > > @atticus.5284 said: > > > > > > > > > WvW + its modes > > > > > > > > > * Core WvW > > > > > > > > > ~~* Edge of the mists~~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only one correction - Edge of the mists is not WvW > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right... cos you don't get wxp nor have ranks and Abilites there. Heck eotm is not even in the WvW tab. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again you want Mist War Rewards for not playing the Mist War, again that's like asking for Raid Rewards to be handed out in Dungeons because they are both PvE > > > > > > > > > > > > No it's like asking both stronghold and conquest to get the pip system. > > > > > > > > > > Which is still the same as asking Raid Rewards in Dungeons since they are both PvE. > > > > > > > > > > Just because Stronghold is PvP doesn't mean it gets the League Rewards. > > > > > > > > > > See how there are main Gamemodes with subsets under them? See how each subset has different rewards? See how Mist Wars is completely different from EotM? > > > > > > > > > > Again it's not a difficult concept EotM doesn't = The Mist award so EotM doesn't get the Mist War Rewards. > > > > > > > > > > They both fall under WvW but again the Pips are Mist War exclusive as stated by the Devs. > > > > > > > > > > Again a very simple concept. > > > > > > > > > > And one last time, EotM is there as an overflow while players wait for queue into The Mist Wars. > > > > > > > > No it's like asking diffrent raid wings to have simluar loot. it's like asking diffrent dungeons have simular loot. > > > > See how unfair it is to those who want to pug wvw? See why the queues are so high? See why eotm lost players? > > > > Again a very simple concept. > > > > > > No it's like you asking Unranked gets Ranked League Rewards. > > > > > > See they are both sPvP but they are different and have different rewards, just likeThe Mist Wars and EotM. > > > > > > You seem to be stretching here you keep claiming that Since EotM falls under WvW that it should get The Mist Wars Rewards, yet try to claim is different from if Unranked got League Rewards, and if Dungeons got Raid Rewards because you know they are both PvE. > > > > > > Remember EotM is just an queue overflow that functions on the fundamental level completely differently than The Mist War, and why they have separate rewards, just like those other examples. > > > > > > > > > The Pips aren't WvW rewards they are Mist War Rewards. > > > > > > Again it's a very simple concept even a skritt can understand. > > > > > > > As i said many many times eotm has become something of it's own with time, yes dev made it do be a overflow for the que but that's not what it ended up to be in the community. You seem to be stuck in 2014 when eotm came out. It's so simple that even a 5 year old can understand things change with time. > > EotM still isn’t part of ThebMist Wars since is is fundamentally completely different from WvW, that it doesn’t get the rewards. > > It’s so simple to understand. > > And EotM hasn’t changed it’s literally stayed the same especially with the advent of the pip system it’s still just an overflow for the queue system. Sorry but there have been zero hanged to EotM since it shipped, besides the Livins World Season 1 events being removed. > > Again EotM is nothing more than an overflow that isn’t part of The Mist War and doesn’t get the Mist War Rewards, no matter how much certain people complain about it. > > Again show how EotM has changed and where the Devs have stated EotM has changed and that it serves a different purpose than what it was originally designed/intended for. I’ll wait. > > It's safe to say that what was said about EotM in the past hasn't happened with the exception that it is an overflow for players that want to play something like WvW while they wait in queue. The latest dev post about EotM and pips is pretty clear that EotM won't get pip rewards so your semantic argument for rewards in EotM is a waste of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkpile.7439 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 EotM doesn't need pips, but it needs own legendary armors and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqueFyre.5678 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 > @Swamurabi.7890 said: > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > > > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > > > > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > > > > > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > > > > > > > > @atticus.5284 said: > > > > > > > > > > WvW + its modes > > > > > > > > > > * Core WvW > > > > > > > > > > ~~* Edge of the mists~~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only one correction - Edge of the mists is not WvW > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right... cos you don't get wxp nor have ranks and Abilites there. Heck eotm is not even in the WvW tab. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again you want Mist War Rewards for not playing the Mist War, again that's like asking for Raid Rewards to be handed out in Dungeons because they are both PvE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No it's like asking both stronghold and conquest to get the pip system. > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is still the same as asking Raid Rewards in Dungeons since they are both PvE. > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because Stronghold is PvP doesn't mean it gets the League Rewards. > > > > > > > > > > > > See how there are main Gamemodes with subsets under them? See how each subset has different rewards? See how Mist Wars is completely different from EotM? > > > > > > > > > > > > Again it's not a difficult concept EotM doesn't = The Mist award so EotM doesn't get the Mist War Rewards. > > > > > > > > > > > > They both fall under WvW but again the Pips are Mist War exclusive as stated by the Devs. > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a very simple concept. > > > > > > > > > > > > And one last time, EotM is there as an overflow while players wait for queue into The Mist Wars. > > > > > > > > > > No it's like asking diffrent raid wings to have simluar loot. it's like asking diffrent dungeons have simular loot. > > > > > See how unfair it is to those who want to pug wvw? See why the queues are so high? See why eotm lost players? > > > > > Again a very simple concept. > > > > > > > > No it's like you asking Unranked gets Ranked League Rewards. > > > > > > > > See they are both sPvP but they are different and have different rewards, just likeThe Mist Wars and EotM. > > > > > > > > You seem to be stretching here you keep claiming that Since EotM falls under WvW that it should get The Mist Wars Rewards, yet try to claim is different from if Unranked got League Rewards, and if Dungeons got Raid Rewards because you know they are both PvE. > > > > > > > > Remember EotM is just an queue overflow that functions on the fundamental level completely differently than The Mist War, and why they have separate rewards, just like those other examples. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Pips aren't WvW rewards they are Mist War Rewards. > > > > > > > > Again it's a very simple concept even a skritt can understand. > > > > > > > > > > As i said many many times eotm has become something of it's own with time, yes dev made it do be a overflow for the que but that's not what it ended up to be in the community. You seem to be stuck in 2014 when eotm came out. It's so simple that even a 5 year old can understand things change with time. > > > > EotM still isn’t part of ThebMist Wars since is is fundamentally completely different from WvW, that it doesn’t get the rewards. > > > > It’s so simple to understand. > > > > And EotM hasn’t changed it’s literally stayed the same especially with the advent of the pip system it’s still just an overflow for the queue system. Sorry but there have been zero hanged to EotM since it shipped, besides the Livins World Season 1 events being removed. > > > > Again EotM is nothing more than an overflow that isn’t part of The Mist War and doesn’t get the Mist War Rewards, no matter how much certain people complain about it. > > > > Again show how EotM has changed and where the Devs have stated EotM has changed and that it serves a different purpose than what it was originally designed/intended for. I’ll wait. > > > > > > It's safe to say that what was said about EotM in the past hasn't happened with the exception that it is an overflow for players that want to play something like WvW while they wait in queue. > > The latest dev post about EotM and pips is pretty clear that EotM won't get pip rewards so your semantic argument for rewards in EotM is a waste of time. I don’t think theat word means what you think it means. It’s not a semantic argument, since it is the sole design function of EotM as stated by the Devs, even that recent Dev post stated in it the Mist War Vendors were added so players can access them while there are Queues. If anyone can show where the design and intent of EotM has changed by a Dev I would love to see it. But the sole basis that the two modes in WvW function completely differently shows its more than semantics since you know EotM isn’t server based and so on. And the rewards as stated by Devs are for Mist War again something EotM is not. 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Rumba.3174 Posted October 2, 2017 Author Share Posted October 2, 2017 > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > > > > > @BlaqueFyre.5678 said: > > > > > > > > @Rumba.3174 said: > > > > > > > > > @atticus.5284 said: > > > > > > > > > WvW + its modes > > > > > > > > > * Core WvW > > > > > > > > > ~~* Edge of the mists~~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only one correction - Edge of the mists is not WvW > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right... cos you don't get wxp nor have ranks and Abilites there. Heck eotm is not even in the WvW tab. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again you want Mist War Rewards for not playing the Mist War, again that's like asking for Raid Rewards to be handed out in Dungeons because they are both PvE > > > > > > > > > > > > No it's like asking both stronghold and conquest to get the pip system. > > > > > > > > > > Which is still the same as asking Raid Rewards in Dungeons since they are both PvE. > > > > > > > > > > Just because Stronghold is PvP doesn't mean it gets the League Rewards. > > > > > > > > > > See how there are main Gamemodes with subsets under them? See how each subset has different rewards? See how Mist Wars is completely different from EotM? > > > > > > > > > > Again it's not a difficult concept EotM doesn't = The Mist award so EotM doesn't get the Mist War Rewards. > > > > > > > > > > They both fall under WvW but again the Pips are Mist War exclusive as stated by the Devs. > > > > > > > > > > Again a very simple concept. > > > > > > > > > > And one last time, EotM is there as an overflow while players wait for queue into The Mist Wars. > > > > > > > > No it's like asking diffrent raid wings to have simluar loot. it's like asking diffrent dungeons have simular loot. > > > > See how unfair it is to those who want to pug wvw? See why the queues are so high? See why eotm lost players? > > > > Again a very simple concept. > > > > > > No it's like you asking Unranked gets Ranked League Rewards. > > > > > > See they are both sPvP but they are different and have different rewards, just likeThe Mist Wars and EotM. > > > > > > You seem to be stretching here you keep claiming that Since EotM falls under WvW that it should get The Mist Wars Rewards, yet try to claim is different from if Unranked got League Rewards, and if Dungeons got Raid Rewards because you know they are both PvE. > > > > > > Remember EotM is just an queue overflow that functions on the fundamental level completely differently than The Mist War, and why they have separate rewards, just like those other examples. > > > > > > > > > The Pips aren't WvW rewards they are Mist War Rewards. > > > > > > Again it's a very simple concept even a skritt can understand. > > > > > > > As i said many many times eotm has become something of it's own with time, yes dev made it do be a overflow for the que but that's not what it ended up to be in the community. You seem to be stuck in 2014 when eotm came out. It's so simple that even a 5 year old can understand things change with time. > > EotM still isn’t part of ThebMist Wars since is is fundamentally completely different from WvW, that it doesn’t get the rewards. > > It’s so simple to understand. > > And EotM hasn’t changed it’s literally stayed the same especially with the advent of the pip system it’s still just an overflow for the queue system. Sorry but there have been zero hanged to EotM since it shipped, besides the Livins World Season 1 events being removed, and the General WvW rework,(note how I said WvW not Mist War). > > Again EotM is nothing more than an overflow that isn’t part of The Mist War and doesn’t get the Mist War Rewards, no matter how much certain people complain about it. > > Again show how EotM has changed and where the Devs have stated EotM has changed and that it serves a different purpose than what it was originally designed/intended for. I’ll wait. > > Have you even been in eotm the past year? How does it hurt anybody to have pips/nerfed pips in eotm? I'll wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loosmaster.8263 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 > @"Ok I Did It.2854" said: > > @XenesisII.1540 said: > > Eotm was only ever meant to be a place for players to play when they were stuck in queue, not a different mode. > I need to kind of see the dev post that stated EotM was only a holding area of WvW, Look Next time you log into WvW, just read the text under the EotM join. Self explanatory... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumba.3174 Posted October 2, 2017 Author Share Posted October 2, 2017 > @Loosmaster.8263 said: > > @"Ok I Did It.2854" said: > > > @XenesisII.1540 said: > > > Eotm was only ever meant to be a place for players to play when they were stuck in queue, not a different mode. > > I need to kind of see the dev post that stated EotM was only a holding area of WvW, > > Look > > Next time you log into WvW, just read the text under the EotM join. Self explanatory... Perhaps you should read it agian xD note the words: "and can" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 It's funny: you disguise a noob hate post as trying to help them. 'Oh noes. People are playing my game mode.....' Kinda funny if it wasn't sort of ill intentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbill.7483 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 I would have no problems with PIPS in EOTM if the score there contributed to WVW. Make kills matter in EOTM and roamers would have a field day over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumba.3174 Posted October 2, 2017 Author Share Posted October 2, 2017 > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > It's funny: you disguise a noob hate post as trying to help them. 'Oh noes. People are playing my game mode.....' > > Kinda funny if it wasn't sort of ill intentioned. How is this a noob hate when i've said cupple of times i like to have new players to wvw? This post is more like complaining about that ppl just afk in pvp league just so they get the loot, they not playing the game mode. This is very simluar to the eotm ppl that come to core wvw they just want those pips and don't care about the game mode it self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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