TwiceDead.1963 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > Patch is tues,if it is indeed even still happening. If it does they’ll prob nerf core/dd more and buff DE I can hear the cries of the masses already... This is going to a gold(salt)mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluri.2653 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 I hope they nerf thief badly so i dont have to try and play it anymore ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Yeah cuz we really need sindrener applying his skills on soulbeast,holo or mes,that be fun times for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorQ.7041 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > And it can be stacked to 15 instead of only 10.. But this works just with rifle -- However, I am not sure if it is a UI bug or if they simply forgot the rifle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hopped in game and equipped a rifle with normal D/P build minus Daredevil and no extra DE traits equipped. Just auto attacking golem crits would be between 1380-1580 with no lead attacks. After stacking up to 15 crits would hit for 1500-1890. So I would have to say lead attacks for sure is affecting damage. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm interesting. So it might even be true 15% then. I wonder why it was not fixed with the last patch... > > > > > > > > > > Who knows, but its funny that the nerf was meant to hit deadeye a bit but instead buffed it. Kind of. > > > > > > > > nope it was meant to reduce prestacked damage modifier, that it was meant to hit deadeye is just what many thieves claim. i have yet to see anet ever state that. > > > > > > > > > > I mean you're half right. There was really 0 reason for it to be a nerf to the other specs. None of them were over performing by any means. The only thief spec over performing atm is DE in all forms. I mean it hit DE builds without rifle hard, but you could still just stack with rifle then swap. > > > > it might be your opinion that DE is overperforming and the rest is not, but its still false to assume anets intention was to only hit deadeye. they did hit deadeye in the very patch with making DJ blockable and they surely are not too stupid to specifically nerf deadeye more if they wanted to. you might be upset about the current state of core and daredevil but this hostility towards deadeye for performing better and implying that anet is too stupid to get their own intentions into the game wont really help you there. > > if u say, de is not overperforming, u must be rly bad, to not be able to use it. every ape can kneel deal some dmg, than use dodge, reposition completly hit with dj... xd Yea ur right, anet didnt say, it was meant to hit de, becouse balancing team sucks and got no idea how to deal with this game. de on ranged deals more dmg than core/dd on melee, with much less chance to get a punishment. Shiryu on mat made 15k, binding shadow DJ combo in MARAUDER kitten gear. if u say, its not overperforming, than nothing will make u improve in this game No good deadeye kneels. Watch dduff. Legendary deadeye. Doesn't kneel once. Over preforming at what excatly? Do you see 2-4 every game? Not really. U see one once in a while that about it. Doesn't sound like u play DE at all tbh if u think pressing 3 buttons is all there is to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safandula.8723 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > And it can be stacked to 15 instead of only 10.. But this works just with rifle -- However, I am not sure if it is a UI bug or if they simply forgot the rifle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hopped in game and equipped a rifle with normal D/P build minus Daredevil and no extra DE traits equipped. Just auto attacking golem crits would be between 1380-1580 with no lead attacks. After stacking up to 15 crits would hit for 1500-1890. So I would have to say lead attacks for sure is affecting damage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm interesting. So it might even be true 15% then. I wonder why it was not fixed with the last patch... > > > > > > > > > > > > Who knows, but its funny that the nerf was meant to hit deadeye a bit but instead buffed it. Kind of. > > > > > > > > > > nope it was meant to reduce prestacked damage modifier, that it was meant to hit deadeye is just what many thieves claim. i have yet to see anet ever state that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean you're half right. There was really 0 reason for it to be a nerf to the other specs. None of them were over performing by any means. The only thief spec over performing atm is DE in all forms. I mean it hit DE builds without rifle hard, but you could still just stack with rifle then swap. > > > > > > it might be your opinion that DE is overperforming and the rest is not, but its still false to assume anets intention was to only hit deadeye. they did hit deadeye in the very patch with making DJ blockable and they surely are not too stupid to specifically nerf deadeye more if they wanted to. you might be upset about the current state of core and daredevil but this hostility towards deadeye for performing better and implying that anet is too stupid to get their own intentions into the game wont really help you there. > > > > if u say, de is not overperforming, u must be rly bad, to not be able to use it. every ape can kneel deal some dmg, than use dodge, reposition completly hit with dj... xd Yea ur right, anet didnt say, it was meant to hit de, becouse balancing team sucks and got no idea how to deal with this game. de on ranged deals more dmg than core/dd on melee, with much less chance to get a punishment. Shiryu on mat made 15k, binding shadow DJ combo in MARAUDER kitten gear. if u say, its not overperforming, than nothing will make u improve in this game > > No good deadeye kneels. Watch dduff. Legendary deadeye. Doesn't kneel once. Over preforming at what excatly? Do you see 2-4 every game? Not really. U see one once in a while that about it. Doesn't sound like u play DE at all tbh if u think pressing 3 buttons is all there is to it. any spec, that can 1 shot so easilly with so little risk is overperforming. yea i dont play trashspecs, ur right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorQ.7041 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > And it can be stacked to 15 instead of only 10.. But this works just with rifle -- However, I am not sure if it is a UI bug or if they simply forgot the rifle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hopped in game and equipped a rifle with normal D/P build minus Daredevil and no extra DE traits equipped. Just auto attacking golem crits would be between 1380-1580 with no lead attacks. After stacking up to 15 crits would hit for 1500-1890. So I would have to say lead attacks for sure is affecting damage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm interesting. So it might even be true 15% then. I wonder why it was not fixed with the last patch... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who knows, but its funny that the nerf was meant to hit deadeye a bit but instead buffed it. Kind of. > > > > > > > > > > > > nope it was meant to reduce prestacked damage modifier, that it was meant to hit deadeye is just what many thieves claim. i have yet to see anet ever state that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean you're half right. There was really 0 reason for it to be a nerf to the other specs. None of them were over performing by any means. The only thief spec over performing atm is DE in all forms. I mean it hit DE builds without rifle hard, but you could still just stack with rifle then swap. > > > > > > > > it might be your opinion that DE is overperforming and the rest is not, but its still false to assume anets intention was to only hit deadeye. they did hit deadeye in the very patch with making DJ blockable and they surely are not too stupid to specifically nerf deadeye more if they wanted to. you might be upset about the current state of core and daredevil but this hostility towards deadeye for performing better and implying that anet is too stupid to get their own intentions into the game wont really help you there. > > > > > > if u say, de is not overperforming, u must be rly bad, to not be able to use it. every ape can kneel deal some dmg, than use dodge, reposition completly hit with dj... xd Yea ur right, anet didnt say, it was meant to hit de, becouse balancing team sucks and got no idea how to deal with this game. de on ranged deals more dmg than core/dd on melee, with much less chance to get a punishment. Shiryu on mat made 15k, binding shadow DJ combo in MARAUDER kitten gear. if u say, its not overperforming, than nothing will make u improve in this game > > > > No good deadeye kneels. Watch dduff. Legendary deadeye. Doesn't kneel once. Over preforming at what excatly? Do you see 2-4 every game? Not really. U see one once in a while that about it. Doesn't sound like u play DE at all tbh if u think pressing 3 buttons is all there is to it. > > any spec, that can 1 shot so easilly with so little risk is overperforming. yea i dont play trashspecs, ur right Then there's no point arguing. You are basically saying u never played it n don't know how it works but it's over performing. It's like saying a car sucks but u never driven it. Makes zero sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorQ.7041 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > And it can be stacked to 15 instead of only 10.. But this works just with rifle -- However, I am not sure if it is a UI bug or if they simply forgot the rifle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hopped in game and equipped a rifle with normal D/P build minus Daredevil and no extra DE traits equipped. Just auto attacking golem crits would be between 1380-1580 with no lead attacks. After stacking up to 15 crits would hit for 1500-1890. So I would have to say lead attacks for sure is affecting damage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm interesting. So it might even be true 15% then. I wonder why it was not fixed with the last patch... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who knows, but its funny that the nerf was meant to hit deadeye a bit but instead buffed it. Kind of. > > > > > > > > > > > > nope it was meant to reduce prestacked damage modifier, that it was meant to hit deadeye is just what many thieves claim. i have yet to see anet ever state that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean you're half right. There was really 0 reason for it to be a nerf to the other specs. None of them were over performing by any means. The only thief spec over performing atm is DE in all forms. I mean it hit DE builds without rifle hard, but you could still just stack with rifle then swap. > > > > > > > > it might be your opinion that DE is overperforming and the rest is not, but its still false to assume anets intention was to only hit deadeye. they did hit deadeye in the very patch with making DJ blockable and they surely are not too stupid to specifically nerf deadeye more if they wanted to. you might be upset about the current state of core and daredevil but this hostility towards deadeye for performing better and implying that anet is too stupid to get their own intentions into the game wont really help you there. > > > > > > if u say, de is not overperforming, u must be rly bad, to not be able to use it. every ape can kneel deal some dmg, than use dodge, reposition completly hit with dj... xd Yea ur right, anet didnt say, it was meant to hit de, becouse balancing team sucks and got no idea how to deal with this game. de on ranged deals more dmg than core/dd on melee, with much less chance to get a punishment. Shiryu on mat made 15k, binding shadow DJ combo in MARAUDER kitten gear. if u say, its not overperforming, than nothing will make u improve in this game > > > > No good deadeye kneels. Watch dduff. Legendary deadeye. Doesn't kneel once. Over preforming at what excatly? Do you see 2-4 every game? Not really. U see one once in a while that about it. Doesn't sound like u play DE at all tbh if u think pressing 3 buttons is all there is to it. > > any spec, that can 1 shot so easilly with so little risk is overperforming. yea i dont play trashspecs, ur right > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > And it can be stacked to 15 instead of only 10.. But this works just with rifle -- However, I am not sure if it is a UI bug or if they simply forgot the rifle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hopped in game and equipped a rifle with normal D/P build minus Daredevil and no extra DE traits equipped. Just auto attacking golem crits would be between 1380-1580 with no lead attacks. After stacking up to 15 crits would hit for 1500-1890. So I would have to say lead attacks for sure is affecting damage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm interesting. So it might even be true 15% then. I wonder why it was not fixed with the last patch... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who knows, but its funny that the nerf was meant to hit deadeye a bit but instead buffed it. Kind of. > > > > > > > > > > > > nope it was meant to reduce prestacked damage modifier, that it was meant to hit deadeye is just what many thieves claim. i have yet to see anet ever state that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean you're half right. There was really 0 reason for it to be a nerf to the other specs. None of them were over performing by any means. The only thief spec over performing atm is DE in all forms. I mean it hit DE builds without rifle hard, but you could still just stack with rifle then swap. > > > > > > > > it might be your opinion that DE is overperforming and the rest is not, but its still false to assume anets intention was to only hit deadeye. they did hit deadeye in the very patch with making DJ blockable and they surely are not too stupid to specifically nerf deadeye more if they wanted to. you might be upset about the current state of core and daredevil but this hostility towards deadeye for performing better and implying that anet is too stupid to get their own intentions into the game wont really help you there. > > > > > > if u say, de is not overperforming, u must be rly bad, to not be able to use it. every ape can kneel deal some dmg, than use dodge, reposition completly hit with dj... xd Yea ur right, anet didnt say, it was meant to hit de, becouse balancing team sucks and got no idea how to deal with this game. de on ranged deals more dmg than core/dd on melee, with much less chance to get a punishment. Shiryu on mat made 15k, binding shadow DJ combo in MARAUDER kitten gear. if u say, its not overperforming, than nothing will make u improve in this game > > > > No good deadeye kneels. Watch dduff. Legendary deadeye. Doesn't kneel once. Over preforming at what excatly? Do you see 2-4 every game? Not really. U see one once in a while that about it. Doesn't sound like u play DE at all tbh if u think pressing 3 buttons is all there is to it. > > any spec, that can 1 shot so easilly with so little risk is overperforming. yea i dont play trashspecs, ur right I mean 1 shot as in. A DE has to get off 2x 3 round bursts skirmisher shot and a deaths judgement. With death's judgement putting a dot on your head and a laser with a second delay. In which you don't bother dodging, blocking or evading... It's much easier to dodge then power mes where if u don't see it coming. The only sign is the noise it plays. DEs burst has a massive animation telegraphed. If you get hit then that's just on you.. 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DemonSeed.3528 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 True. If you check out sbobbi's new vid he doesn't even have problems taking on 2 de's at the same time on his core dd thief. God bless sbobbi's booty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safandula.8723 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > And it can be stacked to 15 instead of only 10.. But this works just with rifle -- However, I am not sure if it is a UI bug or if they simply forgot the rifle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hopped in game and equipped a rifle with normal D/P build minus Daredevil and no extra DE traits equipped. Just auto attacking golem crits would be between 1380-1580 with no lead attacks. After stacking up to 15 crits would hit for 1500-1890. So I would have to say lead attacks for sure is affecting damage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm interesting. So it might even be true 15% then. I wonder why it was not fixed with the last patch... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who knows, but its funny that the nerf was meant to hit deadeye a bit but instead buffed it. Kind of. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nope it was meant to reduce prestacked damage modifier, that it was meant to hit deadeye is just what many thieves claim. i have yet to see anet ever state that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean you're half right. There was really 0 reason for it to be a nerf to the other specs. None of them were over performing by any means. The only thief spec over performing atm is DE in all forms. I mean it hit DE builds without rifle hard, but you could still just stack with rifle then swap. > > > > > > > > > > it might be your opinion that DE is overperforming and the rest is not, but its still false to assume anets intention was to only hit deadeye. they did hit deadeye in the very patch with making DJ blockable and they surely are not too stupid to specifically nerf deadeye more if they wanted to. you might be upset about the current state of core and daredevil but this hostility towards deadeye for performing better and implying that anet is too stupid to get their own intentions into the game wont really help you there. > > > > > > > > if u say, de is not overperforming, u must be rly bad, to not be able to use it. every ape can kneel deal some dmg, than use dodge, reposition completly hit with dj... xd Yea ur right, anet didnt say, it was meant to hit de, becouse balancing team sucks and got no idea how to deal with this game. de on ranged deals more dmg than core/dd on melee, with much less chance to get a punishment. Shiryu on mat made 15k, binding shadow DJ combo in MARAUDER kitten gear. if u say, its not overperforming, than nothing will make u improve in this game > > > > > > No good deadeye kneels. Watch dduff. Legendary deadeye. Doesn't kneel once. Over preforming at what excatly? Do you see 2-4 every game? Not really. U see one once in a while that about it. Doesn't sound like u play DE at all tbh if u think pressing 3 buttons is all there is to it. > > > > any spec, that can 1 shot so easilly with so little risk is overperforming. yea i dont play trashspecs, ur right > > Then there's no point arguing. You are basically saying u never played it n don't know how it works but it's over performing. It's like saying a car sucks but u never driven it. Makes zero sense. U cant even give good exaples. its more like, im not driving a car, but i see its fking fast. so ur also telling, malicious backstabs that dont hit like track with 1 malice have a good tell? ur trolling. give me 1 post, where all ur arguments will be valid and without flaw plz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUDse.7623 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > And it can be stacked to 15 instead of only 10.. But this works just with rifle -- However, I am not sure if it is a UI bug or if they simply forgot the rifle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hopped in game and equipped a rifle with normal D/P build minus Daredevil and no extra DE traits equipped. Just auto attacking golem crits would be between 1380-1580 with no lead attacks. After stacking up to 15 crits would hit for 1500-1890. So I would have to say lead attacks for sure is affecting damage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm interesting. So it might even be true 15% then. I wonder why it was not fixed with the last patch... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who knows, but its funny that the nerf was meant to hit deadeye a bit but instead buffed it. Kind of. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nope it was meant to reduce prestacked damage modifier, that it was meant to hit deadeye is just what many thieves claim. i have yet to see anet ever state that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean you're half right. There was really 0 reason for it to be a nerf to the other specs. None of them were over performing by any means. The only thief spec over performing atm is DE in all forms. I mean it hit DE builds without rifle hard, but you could still just stack with rifle then swap. > > > > > > > > > > > > it might be your opinion that DE is overperforming and the rest is not, but its still false to assume anets intention was to only hit deadeye. they did hit deadeye in the very patch with making DJ blockable and they surely are not too stupid to specifically nerf deadeye more if they wanted to. you might be upset about the current state of core and daredevil but this hostility towards deadeye for performing better and implying that anet is too stupid to get their own intentions into the game wont really help you there. > > > > > > > > > > if u say, de is not overperforming, u must be rly bad, to not be able to use it. every ape can kneel deal some dmg, than use dodge, reposition completly hit with dj... xd Yea ur right, anet didnt say, it was meant to hit de, becouse balancing team sucks and got no idea how to deal with this game. de on ranged deals more dmg than core/dd on melee, with much less chance to get a punishment. Shiryu on mat made 15k, binding shadow DJ combo in MARAUDER kitten gear. if u say, its not overperforming, than nothing will make u improve in this game > > > > > > > > No good deadeye kneels. Watch dduff. Legendary deadeye. Doesn't kneel once. Over preforming at what excatly? Do you see 2-4 every game? Not really. U see one once in a while that about it. Doesn't sound like u play DE at all tbh if u think pressing 3 buttons is all there is to it. > > > > > > any spec, that can 1 shot so easilly with so little risk is overperforming. yea i dont play trashspecs, ur right > > > > Then there's no point arguing. You are basically saying u never played it n don't know how it works but it's over performing. It's like saying a car sucks but u never driven it. Makes zero sense. > > U cant even give good exaples. its more like, im not driving a car, but i see its kitten fast. > so ur also telling, malicious backstabs that dont hit like track with 1 malice have a good tell? ur trolling. give me 1 post, where all ur arguments will be valid and without flaw plz the 1. malice adds just 10% dmg to base backstab (21 if you count in iron sight) but that is within the amount other traitlines will add. we surely can talk about backstab dealing too much damage, but that hardly is a deadeye only issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safandula.8723 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > And it can be stacked to 15 instead of only 10.. But this works just with rifle -- However, I am not sure if it is a UI bug or if they simply forgot the rifle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hopped in game and equipped a rifle with normal D/P build minus Daredevil and no extra DE traits equipped. Just auto attacking golem crits would be between 1380-1580 with no lead attacks. After stacking up to 15 crits would hit for 1500-1890. So I would have to say lead attacks for sure is affecting damage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm interesting. So it might even be true 15% then. I wonder why it was not fixed with the last patch... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who knows, but its funny that the nerf was meant to hit deadeye a bit but instead buffed it. Kind of. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nope it was meant to reduce prestacked damage modifier, that it was meant to hit deadeye is just what many thieves claim. i have yet to see anet ever state that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean you're half right. There was really 0 reason for it to be a nerf to the other specs. None of them were over performing by any means. The only thief spec over performing atm is DE in all forms. I mean it hit DE builds without rifle hard, but you could still just stack with rifle then swap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it might be your opinion that DE is overperforming and the rest is not, but its still false to assume anets intention was to only hit deadeye. they did hit deadeye in the very patch with making DJ blockable and they surely are not too stupid to specifically nerf deadeye more if they wanted to. you might be upset about the current state of core and daredevil but this hostility towards deadeye for performing better and implying that anet is too stupid to get their own intentions into the game wont really help you there. > > > > > > > > > > > > if u say, de is not overperforming, u must be rly bad, to not be able to use it. every ape can kneel deal some dmg, than use dodge, reposition completly hit with dj... xd Yea ur right, anet didnt say, it was meant to hit de, becouse balancing team sucks and got no idea how to deal with this game. de on ranged deals more dmg than core/dd on melee, with much less chance to get a punishment. Shiryu on mat made 15k, binding shadow DJ combo in MARAUDER kitten gear. if u say, its not overperforming, than nothing will make u improve in this game > > > > > > > > > > No good deadeye kneels. Watch dduff. Legendary deadeye. Doesn't kneel once. Over preforming at what excatly? Do you see 2-4 every game? Not really. U see one once in a while that about it. Doesn't sound like u play DE at all tbh if u think pressing 3 buttons is all there is to it. > > > > > > > > any spec, that can 1 shot so easilly with so little risk is overperforming. yea i dont play trashspecs, ur right > > > > > > Then there's no point arguing. You are basically saying u never played it n don't know how it works but it's over performing. It's like saying a car sucks but u never driven it. Makes zero sense. > > > > U cant even give good exaples. its more like, im not driving a car, but i see its kitten fast. > > so ur also telling, malicious backstabs that dont hit like track with 1 malice have a good tell? ur trolling. give me 1 post, where all ur arguments will be valid and without flaw plz > the 1. malice adds just 10% dmg to base backstab. we surely can talk about backstab dealing too much damage, but that hardly is a deadeye only issue. > > Yea malicious backstab is only deadeye issue. Stacking lead attacks in perma stealth with assassins signet with 10+10 dmg modifications (10 from backstab, 10 from trait to marked ppl), HITS LIKE TRUCK, and doing to so easily with no punishment is only DE issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUDse.7623 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And it can be stacked to 15 instead of only 10.. But this works just with rifle -- However, I am not sure if it is a UI bug or if they simply forgot the rifle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hopped in game and equipped a rifle with normal D/P build minus Daredevil and no extra DE traits equipped. Just auto attacking golem crits would be between 1380-1580 with no lead attacks. After stacking up to 15 crits would hit for 1500-1890. So I would have to say lead attacks for sure is affecting damage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm interesting. So it might even be true 15% then. I wonder why it was not fixed with the last patch... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who knows, but its funny that the nerf was meant to hit deadeye a bit but instead buffed it. Kind of. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nope it was meant to reduce prestacked damage modifier, that it was meant to hit deadeye is just what many thieves claim. i have yet to see anet ever state that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean you're half right. There was really 0 reason for it to be a nerf to the other specs. None of them were over performing by any means. The only thief spec over performing atm is DE in all forms. I mean it hit DE builds without rifle hard, but you could still just stack with rifle then swap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it might be your opinion that DE is overperforming and the rest is not, but its still false to assume anets intention was to only hit deadeye. they did hit deadeye in the very patch with making DJ blockable and they surely are not too stupid to specifically nerf deadeye more if they wanted to. you might be upset about the current state of core and daredevil but this hostility towards deadeye for performing better and implying that anet is too stupid to get their own intentions into the game wont really help you there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if u say, de is not overperforming, u must be rly bad, to not be able to use it. every ape can kneel deal some dmg, than use dodge, reposition completly hit with dj... xd Yea ur right, anet didnt say, it was meant to hit de, becouse balancing team sucks and got no idea how to deal with this game. de on ranged deals more dmg than core/dd on melee, with much less chance to get a punishment. Shiryu on mat made 15k, binding shadow DJ combo in MARAUDER kitten gear. if u say, its not overperforming, than nothing will make u improve in this game > > > > > > > > > > > > No good deadeye kneels. Watch dduff. Legendary deadeye. Doesn't kneel once. Over preforming at what excatly? Do you see 2-4 every game? Not really. U see one once in a while that about it. Doesn't sound like u play DE at all tbh if u think pressing 3 buttons is all there is to it. > > > > > > > > > > any spec, that can 1 shot so easilly with so little risk is overperforming. yea i dont play trashspecs, ur right > > > > > > > > Then there's no point arguing. You are basically saying u never played it n don't know how it works but it's over performing. It's like saying a car sucks but u never driven it. Makes zero sense. > > > > > > U cant even give good exaples. its more like, im not driving a car, but i see its kitten fast. > > > so ur also telling, malicious backstabs that dont hit like track with 1 malice have a good tell? ur trolling. give me 1 post, where all ur arguments will be valid and without flaw plz > > the 1. malice adds just 10% dmg to base backstab. we surely can talk about backstab dealing too much damage, but that hardly is a deadeye only issue. > > > > > > Yea malicious backstab is only deadeye issue. Stacking lead attacks in perma stealth with assassins signet with 10+10 dmg modifications (10 from backstab, 10 from trait to marked ppl), HITS LIKE TRUCK, and doing to so easily with no punishment is only DE issue stacking leadattacks in stealth is a bug or your in combat, in wich case you also do it on DD / core, assassins signet again a core ability. so your only argument being the ease of execution - totally something the target has to worry about and surely something you can comment on with your ample playtime of that build. core backstab could be easier to apply and deal more damage if the target had an option to react instead of predict. <- this is a core issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safandula.8723 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And it can be stacked to 15 instead of only 10.. But this works just with rifle -- However, I am not sure if it is a UI bug or if they simply forgot the rifle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hopped in game and equipped a rifle with normal D/P build minus Daredevil and no extra DE traits equipped. Just auto attacking golem crits would be between 1380-1580 with no lead attacks. After stacking up to 15 crits would hit for 1500-1890. So I would have to say lead attacks for sure is affecting damage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm interesting. So it might even be true 15% then. I wonder why it was not fixed with the last patch... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who knows, but its funny that the nerf was meant to hit deadeye a bit but instead buffed it. Kind of. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nope it was meant to reduce prestacked damage modifier, that it was meant to hit deadeye is just what many thieves claim. i have yet to see anet ever state that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean you're half right. There was really 0 reason for it to be a nerf to the other specs. None of them were over performing by any means. The only thief spec over performing atm is DE in all forms. I mean it hit DE builds without rifle hard, but you could still just stack with rifle then swap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it might be your opinion that DE is overperforming and the rest is not, but its still false to assume anets intention was to only hit deadeye. they did hit deadeye in the very patch with making DJ blockable and they surely are not too stupid to specifically nerf deadeye more if they wanted to. you might be upset about the current state of core and daredevil but this hostility towards deadeye for performing better and implying that anet is too stupid to get their own intentions into the game wont really help you there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if u say, de is not overperforming, u must be rly bad, to not be able to use it. every ape can kneel deal some dmg, than use dodge, reposition completly hit with dj... xd Yea ur right, anet didnt say, it was meant to hit de, becouse balancing team sucks and got no idea how to deal with this game. de on ranged deals more dmg than core/dd on melee, with much less chance to get a punishment. Shiryu on mat made 15k, binding shadow DJ combo in MARAUDER kitten gear. if u say, its not overperforming, than nothing will make u improve in this game > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No good deadeye kneels. Watch dduff. Legendary deadeye. Doesn't kneel once. Over preforming at what excatly? Do you see 2-4 every game? Not really. U see one once in a while that about it. Doesn't sound like u play DE at all tbh if u think pressing 3 buttons is all there is to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > any spec, that can 1 shot so easilly with so little risk is overperforming. yea i dont play trashspecs, ur right > > > > > > > > > > Then there's no point arguing. You are basically saying u never played it n don't know how it works but it's over performing. It's like saying a car sucks but u never driven it. Makes zero sense. > > > > > > > > U cant even give good exaples. its more like, im not driving a car, but i see its kitten fast. > > > > so ur also telling, malicious backstabs that dont hit like track with 1 malice have a good tell? ur trolling. give me 1 post, where all ur arguments will be valid and without flaw plz > > > the 1. malice adds just 10% dmg to base backstab. we surely can talk about backstab dealing too much damage, but that hardly is a deadeye only issue. > > > > > > > > > > Yea malicious backstab is only deadeye issue. Stacking lead attacks in perma stealth with assassins signet with 10+10 dmg modifications (10 from backstab, 10 from trait to marked ppl), HITS LIKE TRUCK, and doing to so easily with no punishment is only DE issue > > stacking leadattacks in stealth is a bug or your in combat, in wich case you also do it on DD / core, assassins signet again a core ability. so your only argument being the ease of execution - totally something the target has to worry about and surely something you can comment on with your ample playtime of that build. > > core backstab could be easier to apply and deal more damage if the target had an option to react instead of predict. <- this is a core issue. I also commented 1 more thing, u forgot. "doing it so easily with no punishment" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUDse.7623 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And it can be stacked to 15 instead of only 10.. But this works just with rifle -- However, I am not sure if it is a UI bug or if they simply forgot the rifle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hopped in game and equipped a rifle with normal D/P build minus Daredevil and no extra DE traits equipped. Just auto attacking golem crits would be between 1380-1580 with no lead attacks. After stacking up to 15 crits would hit for 1500-1890. So I would have to say lead attacks for sure is affecting damage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm interesting. So it might even be true 15% then. I wonder why it was not fixed with the last patch... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who knows, but its funny that the nerf was meant to hit deadeye a bit but instead buffed it. Kind of. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nope it was meant to reduce prestacked damage modifier, that it was meant to hit deadeye is just what many thieves claim. i have yet to see anet ever state that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean you're half right. There was really 0 reason for it to be a nerf to the other specs. None of them were over performing by any means. The only thief spec over performing atm is DE in all forms. I mean it hit DE builds without rifle hard, but you could still just stack with rifle then swap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it might be your opinion that DE is overperforming and the rest is not, but its still false to assume anets intention was to only hit deadeye. they did hit deadeye in the very patch with making DJ blockable and they surely are not too stupid to specifically nerf deadeye more if they wanted to. you might be upset about the current state of core and daredevil but this hostility towards deadeye for performing better and implying that anet is too stupid to get their own intentions into the game wont really help you there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if u say, de is not overperforming, u must be rly bad, to not be able to use it. every ape can kneel deal some dmg, than use dodge, reposition completly hit with dj... xd Yea ur right, anet didnt say, it was meant to hit de, becouse balancing team sucks and got no idea how to deal with this game. de on ranged deals more dmg than core/dd on melee, with much less chance to get a punishment. Shiryu on mat made 15k, binding shadow DJ combo in MARAUDER kitten gear. if u say, its not overperforming, than nothing will make u improve in this game > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No good deadeye kneels. Watch dduff. Legendary deadeye. Doesn't kneel once. Over preforming at what excatly? Do you see 2-4 every game? Not really. U see one once in a while that about it. Doesn't sound like u play DE at all tbh if u think pressing 3 buttons is all there is to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any spec, that can 1 shot so easilly with so little risk is overperforming. yea i dont play trashspecs, ur right > > > > > > > > > > > > Then there's no point arguing. You are basically saying u never played it n don't know how it works but it's over performing. It's like saying a car sucks but u never driven it. Makes zero sense. > > > > > > > > > > U cant even give good exaples. its more like, im not driving a car, but i see its kitten fast. > > > > > so ur also telling, malicious backstabs that dont hit like track with 1 malice have a good tell? ur trolling. give me 1 post, where all ur arguments will be valid and without flaw plz > > > > the 1. malice adds just 10% dmg to base backstab. we surely can talk about backstab dealing too much damage, but that hardly is a deadeye only issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yea malicious backstab is only deadeye issue. Stacking lead attacks in perma stealth with assassins signet with 10+10 dmg modifications (10 from backstab, 10 from trait to marked ppl), HITS LIKE TRUCK, and doing to so easily with no punishment is only DE issue > > > > stacking leadattacks in stealth is a bug or your in combat, in wich case you also do it on DD / core, assassins signet again a core ability. so your only argument being the ease of execution - totally something the target has to worry about and surely something you can comment on with your ample playtime of that build. > > > > core backstab could be easier to apply and deal more damage if the target had an option to react instead of predict. <- this is a core issue. > > I also commented 1 more thing, u forgot. > "doing it so easily with no punishment" thats exactly what i did comment on. ease of execution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safandula.8723 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And it can be stacked to 15 instead of only 10.. But this works just with rifle -- However, I am not sure if it is a UI bug or if they simply forgot the rifle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hopped in game and equipped a rifle with normal D/P build minus Daredevil and no extra DE traits equipped. Just auto attacking golem crits would be between 1380-1580 with no lead attacks. After stacking up to 15 crits would hit for 1500-1890. So I would have to say lead attacks for sure is affecting damage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm interesting. So it might even be true 15% then. I wonder why it was not fixed with the last patch... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who knows, but its funny that the nerf was meant to hit deadeye a bit but instead buffed it. Kind of. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nope it was meant to reduce prestacked damage modifier, that it was meant to hit deadeye is just what many thieves claim. i have yet to see anet ever state that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean you're half right. There was really 0 reason for it to be a nerf to the other specs. None of them were over performing by any means. The only thief spec over performing atm is DE in all forms. I mean it hit DE builds without rifle hard, but you could still just stack with rifle then swap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it might be your opinion that DE is overperforming and the rest is not, but its still false to assume anets intention was to only hit deadeye. they did hit deadeye in the very patch with making DJ blockable and they surely are not too stupid to specifically nerf deadeye more if they wanted to. you might be upset about the current state of core and daredevil but this hostility towards deadeye for performing better and implying that anet is too stupid to get their own intentions into the game wont really help you there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if u say, de is not overperforming, u must be rly bad, to not be able to use it. every ape can kneel deal some dmg, than use dodge, reposition completly hit with dj... xd Yea ur right, anet didnt say, it was meant to hit de, becouse balancing team sucks and got no idea how to deal with this game. de on ranged deals more dmg than core/dd on melee, with much less chance to get a punishment. Shiryu on mat made 15k, binding shadow DJ combo in MARAUDER kitten gear. if u say, its not overperforming, than nothing will make u improve in this game > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No good deadeye kneels. Watch dduff. Legendary deadeye. Doesn't kneel once. Over preforming at what excatly? Do you see 2-4 every game? Not really. U see one once in a while that about it. Doesn't sound like u play DE at all tbh if u think pressing 3 buttons is all there is to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any spec, that can 1 shot so easilly with so little risk is overperforming. yea i dont play trashspecs, ur right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then there's no point arguing. You are basically saying u never played it n don't know how it works but it's over performing. It's like saying a car sucks but u never driven it. Makes zero sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant even give good exaples. its more like, im not driving a car, but i see its kitten fast. > > > > > > so ur also telling, malicious backstabs that dont hit like track with 1 malice have a good tell? ur trolling. give me 1 post, where all ur arguments will be valid and without flaw plz > > > > > the 1. malice adds just 10% dmg to base backstab. we surely can talk about backstab dealing too much damage, but that hardly is a deadeye only issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yea malicious backstab is only deadeye issue. Stacking lead attacks in perma stealth with assassins signet with 10+10 dmg modifications (10 from backstab, 10 from trait to marked ppl), HITS LIKE TRUCK, and doing to so easily with no punishment is only DE issue > > > > > > stacking leadattacks in stealth is a bug or your in combat, in wich case you also do it on DD / core, assassins signet again a core ability. so your only argument being the ease of execution - totally something the target has to worry about and surely something you can comment on with your ample playtime of that build. > > > > > > core backstab could be easier to apply and deal more damage if the target had an option to react instead of predict. <- this is a core issue. > > > > I also commented 1 more thing, u forgot. > > "doing it so easily with no punishment" > > thats exactly what i did comment on. ease of execution. I don't even mean about ease of execution(it's ofc broken), but rather ease of escape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUDse.7623 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And it can be stacked to 15 instead of only 10.. But this works just with rifle -- However, I am not sure if it is a UI bug or if they simply forgot the rifle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hopped in game and equipped a rifle with normal D/P build minus Daredevil and no extra DE traits equipped. Just auto attacking golem crits would be between 1380-1580 with no lead attacks. After stacking up to 15 crits would hit for 1500-1890. So I would have to say lead attacks for sure is affecting damage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm interesting. So it might even be true 15% then. I wonder why it was not fixed with the last patch... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who knows, but its funny that the nerf was meant to hit deadeye a bit but instead buffed it. Kind of. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nope it was meant to reduce prestacked damage modifier, that it was meant to hit deadeye is just what many thieves claim. i have yet to see anet ever state that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean you're half right. There was really 0 reason for it to be a nerf to the other specs. None of them were over performing by any means. The only thief spec over performing atm is DE in all forms. I mean it hit DE builds without rifle hard, but you could still just stack with rifle then swap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it might be your opinion that DE is overperforming and the rest is not, but its still false to assume anets intention was to only hit deadeye. they did hit deadeye in the very patch with making DJ blockable and they surely are not too stupid to specifically nerf deadeye more if they wanted to. you might be upset about the current state of core and daredevil but this hostility towards deadeye for performing better and implying that anet is too stupid to get their own intentions into the game wont really help you there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if u say, de is not overperforming, u must be rly bad, to not be able to use it. every ape can kneel deal some dmg, than use dodge, reposition completly hit with dj... xd Yea ur right, anet didnt say, it was meant to hit de, becouse balancing team sucks and got no idea how to deal with this game. de on ranged deals more dmg than core/dd on melee, with much less chance to get a punishment. Shiryu on mat made 15k, binding shadow DJ combo in MARAUDER kitten gear. if u say, its not overperforming, than nothing will make u improve in this game > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No good deadeye kneels. Watch dduff. Legendary deadeye. Doesn't kneel once. Over preforming at what excatly? Do you see 2-4 every game? Not really. U see one once in a while that about it. Doesn't sound like u play DE at all tbh if u think pressing 3 buttons is all there is to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any spec, that can 1 shot so easilly with so little risk is overperforming. yea i dont play trashspecs, ur right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then there's no point arguing. You are basically saying u never played it n don't know how it works but it's over performing. It's like saying a car sucks but u never driven it. Makes zero sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant even give good exaples. its more like, im not driving a car, but i see its kitten fast. > > > > > > > so ur also telling, malicious backstabs that dont hit like track with 1 malice have a good tell? ur trolling. give me 1 post, where all ur arguments will be valid and without flaw plz > > > > > > the 1. malice adds just 10% dmg to base backstab. we surely can talk about backstab dealing too much damage, but that hardly is a deadeye only issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yea malicious backstab is only deadeye issue. Stacking lead attacks in perma stealth with assassins signet with 10+10 dmg modifications (10 from backstab, 10 from trait to marked ppl), HITS LIKE TRUCK, and doing to so easily with no punishment is only DE issue > > > > > > > > stacking leadattacks in stealth is a bug or your in combat, in wich case you also do it on DD / core, assassins signet again a core ability. so your only argument being the ease of execution - totally something the target has to worry about and surely something you can comment on with your ample playtime of that build. > > > > > > > > core backstab could be easier to apply and deal more damage if the target had an option to react instead of predict. <- this is a core issue. > > > > > > I also commented 1 more thing, u forgot. > > > "doing it so easily with no punishment" > > > > thats exactly what i did comment on. ease of execution. > > I don't even mean about ease of execution(it's ofc broken), but rather ease of escape that applies to any thief. 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Safandula.8723 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And it can be stacked to 15 instead of only 10.. But this works just with rifle -- However, I am not sure if it is a UI bug or if they simply forgot the rifle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hopped in game and equipped a rifle with normal D/P build minus Daredevil and no extra DE traits equipped. Just auto attacking golem crits would be between 1380-1580 with no lead attacks. After stacking up to 15 crits would hit for 1500-1890. So I would have to say lead attacks for sure is affecting damage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm interesting. So it might even be true 15% then. I wonder why it was not fixed with the last patch... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who knows, but its funny that the nerf was meant to hit deadeye a bit but instead buffed it. Kind of. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nope it was meant to reduce prestacked damage modifier, that it was meant to hit deadeye is just what many thieves claim. i have yet to see anet ever state that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean you're half right. There was really 0 reason for it to be a nerf to the other specs. None of them were over performing by any means. The only thief spec over performing atm is DE in all forms. I mean it hit DE builds without rifle hard, but you could still just stack with rifle then swap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it might be your opinion that DE is overperforming and the rest is not, but its still false to assume anets intention was to only hit deadeye. they did hit deadeye in the very patch with making DJ blockable and they surely are not too stupid to specifically nerf deadeye more if they wanted to. you might be upset about the current state of core and daredevil but this hostility towards deadeye for performing better and implying that anet is too stupid to get their own intentions into the game wont really help you there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if u say, de is not overperforming, u must be rly bad, to not be able to use it. every ape can kneel deal some dmg, than use dodge, reposition completly hit with dj... xd Yea ur right, anet didnt say, it was meant to hit de, becouse balancing team sucks and got no idea how to deal with this game. de on ranged deals more dmg than core/dd on melee, with much less chance to get a punishment. Shiryu on mat made 15k, binding shadow DJ combo in MARAUDER kitten gear. if u say, its not overperforming, than nothing will make u improve in this game > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No good deadeye kneels. Watch dduff. Legendary deadeye. Doesn't kneel once. Over preforming at what excatly? Do you see 2-4 every game? Not really. U see one once in a while that about it. Doesn't sound like u play DE at all tbh if u think pressing 3 buttons is all there is to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any spec, that can 1 shot so easilly with so little risk is overperforming. yea i dont play trashspecs, ur right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then there's no point arguing. You are basically saying u never played it n don't know how it works but it's over performing. It's like saying a car sucks but u never driven it. Makes zero sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant even give good exaples. its more like, im not driving a car, but i see its kitten fast. > > > > > > > > so ur also telling, malicious backstabs that dont hit like track with 1 malice have a good tell? ur trolling. give me 1 post, where all ur arguments will be valid and without flaw plz > > > > > > > the 1. malice adds just 10% dmg to base backstab. we surely can talk about backstab dealing too much damage, but that hardly is a deadeye only issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yea malicious backstab is only deadeye issue. Stacking lead attacks in perma stealth with assassins signet with 10+10 dmg modifications (10 from backstab, 10 from trait to marked ppl), HITS LIKE TRUCK, and doing to so easily with no punishment is only DE issue > > > > > > > > > > stacking leadattacks in stealth is a bug or your in combat, in wich case you also do it on DD / core, assassins signet again a core ability. so your only argument being the ease of execution - totally something the target has to worry about and surely something you can comment on with your ample playtime of that build. > > > > > > > > > > core backstab could be easier to apply and deal more damage if the target had an option to react instead of predict. <- this is a core issue. > > > > > > > > I also commented 1 more thing, u forgot. > > > > "doing it so easily with no punishment" > > > > > > thats exactly what i did comment on. ease of execution. > > > > I don't even mean about ease of execution(it's ofc broken), but rather ease of escape > > that applies to any thief. It was already touched on forum. There are classes that can chase s/d or d/p or fuck em from range. Nothing can hurt DE when he dodge to stealth. Unless he's ultra stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUDse.7623 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And it can be stacked to 15 instead of only 10.. But this works just with rifle -- However, I am not sure if it is a UI bug or if they simply forgot the rifle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hopped in game and equipped a rifle with normal D/P build minus Daredevil and no extra DE traits equipped. Just auto attacking golem crits would be between 1380-1580 with no lead attacks. After stacking up to 15 crits would hit for 1500-1890. So I would have to say lead attacks for sure is affecting damage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm interesting. So it might even be true 15% then. I wonder why it was not fixed with the last patch... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who knows, but its funny that the nerf was meant to hit deadeye a bit but instead buffed it. Kind of. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nope it was meant to reduce prestacked damage modifier, that it was meant to hit deadeye is just what many thieves claim. i have yet to see anet ever state that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean you're half right. There was really 0 reason for it to be a nerf to the other specs. None of them were over performing by any means. The only thief spec over performing atm is DE in all forms. I mean it hit DE builds without rifle hard, but you could still just stack with rifle then swap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it might be your opinion that DE is overperforming and the rest is not, but its still false to assume anets intention was to only hit deadeye. they did hit deadeye in the very patch with making DJ blockable and they surely are not too stupid to specifically nerf deadeye more if they wanted to. you might be upset about the current state of core and daredevil but this hostility towards deadeye for performing better and implying that anet is too stupid to get their own intentions into the game wont really help you there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if u say, de is not overperforming, u must be rly bad, to not be able to use it. every ape can kneel deal some dmg, than use dodge, reposition completly hit with dj... xd Yea ur right, anet didnt say, it was meant to hit de, becouse balancing team sucks and got no idea how to deal with this game. de on ranged deals more dmg than core/dd on melee, with much less chance to get a punishment. Shiryu on mat made 15k, binding shadow DJ combo in MARAUDER kitten gear. if u say, its not overperforming, than nothing will make u improve in this game > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No good deadeye kneels. Watch dduff. Legendary deadeye. Doesn't kneel once. Over preforming at what excatly? Do you see 2-4 every game? Not really. U see one once in a while that about it. Doesn't sound like u play DE at all tbh if u think pressing 3 buttons is all there is to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any spec, that can 1 shot so easilly with so little risk is overperforming. yea i dont play trashspecs, ur right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then there's no point arguing. You are basically saying u never played it n don't know how it works but it's over performing. It's like saying a car sucks but u never driven it. Makes zero sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant even give good exaples. its more like, im not driving a car, but i see its kitten fast. > > > > > > > > > so ur also telling, malicious backstabs that dont hit like track with 1 malice have a good tell? ur trolling. give me 1 post, where all ur arguments will be valid and without flaw plz > > > > > > > > the 1. malice adds just 10% dmg to base backstab. we surely can talk about backstab dealing too much damage, but that hardly is a deadeye only issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yea malicious backstab is only deadeye issue. Stacking lead attacks in perma stealth with assassins signet with 10+10 dmg modifications (10 from backstab, 10 from trait to marked ppl), HITS LIKE TRUCK, and doing to so easily with no punishment is only DE issue > > > > > > > > > > > > stacking leadattacks in stealth is a bug or your in combat, in wich case you also do it on DD / core, assassins signet again a core ability. so your only argument being the ease of execution - totally something the target has to worry about and surely something you can comment on with your ample playtime of that build. > > > > > > > > > > > > core backstab could be easier to apply and deal more damage if the target had an option to react instead of predict. <- this is a core issue. > > > > > > > > > > I also commented 1 more thing, u forgot. > > > > > "doing it so easily with no punishment" > > > > > > > > thats exactly what i did comment on. ease of execution. > > > > > > I don't even mean about ease of execution(it's ofc broken), but rather ease of escape > > > > that applies to any thief. > > It was already touched on forum. There are classes that can chase s/d or d/p or kitten em from range. Nothing can hurt DE when he dodge to stealth. Unless he's ultra stupid actually there are. you may even dodge twice and the AA spamm of a holo with lock on will still connect at the end to reveal you or a ranger/ warrior might apply reveal mid dodge ( cant dodge shout reveals). and then try to use your elite while your opponent is just waiting to interrupt it. or you know just use your CC during the dodge to connect at the end and then cleave the area, much easier counters than trying to catch a thief trying to get away with teleports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safandula.8723 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And it can be stacked to 15 instead of only 10.. But this works just with rifle -- However, I am not sure if it is a UI bug or if they simply forgot the rifle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hopped in game and equipped a rifle with normal D/P build minus Daredevil and no extra DE traits equipped. Just auto attacking golem crits would be between 1380-1580 with no lead attacks. After stacking up to 15 crits would hit for 1500-1890. So I would have to say lead attacks for sure is affecting damage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm interesting. So it might even be true 15% then. I wonder why it was not fixed with the last patch... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who knows, but its funny that the nerf was meant to hit deadeye a bit but instead buffed it. Kind of. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nope it was meant to reduce prestacked damage modifier, that it was meant to hit deadeye is just what many thieves claim. i have yet to see anet ever state that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean you're half right. There was really 0 reason for it to be a nerf to the other specs. None of them were over performing by any means. The only thief spec over performing atm is DE in all forms. I mean it hit DE builds without rifle hard, but you could still just stack with rifle then swap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it might be your opinion that DE is overperforming and the rest is not, but its still false to assume anets intention was to only hit deadeye. they did hit deadeye in the very patch with making DJ blockable and they surely are not too stupid to specifically nerf deadeye more if they wanted to. you might be upset about the current state of core and daredevil but this hostility towards deadeye for performing better and implying that anet is too stupid to get their own intentions into the game wont really help you there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if u say, de is not overperforming, u must be rly bad, to not be able to use it. every ape can kneel deal some dmg, than use dodge, reposition completly hit with dj... xd Yea ur right, anet didnt say, it was meant to hit de, becouse balancing team sucks and got no idea how to deal with this game. de on ranged deals more dmg than core/dd on melee, with much less chance to get a punishment. Shiryu on mat made 15k, binding shadow DJ combo in MARAUDER kitten gear. if u say, its not overperforming, than nothing will make u improve in this game > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No good deadeye kneels. Watch dduff. Legendary deadeye. Doesn't kneel once. Over preforming at what excatly? Do you see 2-4 every game? Not really. U see one once in a while that about it. Doesn't sound like u play DE at all tbh if u think pressing 3 buttons is all there is to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any spec, that can 1 shot so easilly with so little risk is overperforming. yea i dont play trashspecs, ur right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then there's no point arguing. You are basically saying u never played it n don't know how it works but it's over performing. It's like saying a car sucks but u never driven it. Makes zero sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant even give good exaples. its more like, im not driving a car, but i see its kitten fast. > > > > > > > > > > so ur also telling, malicious backstabs that dont hit like track with 1 malice have a good tell? ur trolling. give me 1 post, where all ur arguments will be valid and without flaw plz > > > > > > > > > the 1. malice adds just 10% dmg to base backstab. we surely can talk about backstab dealing too much damage, but that hardly is a deadeye only issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yea malicious backstab is only deadeye issue. Stacking lead attacks in perma stealth with assassins signet with 10+10 dmg modifications (10 from backstab, 10 from trait to marked ppl), HITS LIKE TRUCK, and doing to so easily with no punishment is only DE issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stacking leadattacks in stealth is a bug or your in combat, in wich case you also do it on DD / core, assassins signet again a core ability. so your only argument being the ease of execution - totally something the target has to worry about and surely something you can comment on with your ample playtime of that build. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > core backstab could be easier to apply and deal more damage if the target had an option to react instead of predict. <- this is a core issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also commented 1 more thing, u forgot. > > > > > > "doing it so easily with no punishment" > > > > > > > > > > thats exactly what i did comment on. ease of execution. > > > > > > > > I don't even mean about ease of execution(it's ofc broken), but rather ease of escape > > > > > > that applies to any thief. > > > > It was already touched on forum. There are classes that can chase s/d or d/p or kitten em from range. Nothing can hurt DE when he dodge to stealth. Unless he's ultra stupid > > actually there are. you may even dodge twice and the AA spamm of a holo with lock on will still connect at the end to reveal you or a ranger/ warrior might apply reveal mid dodge ( cant dodge shout reveals). and then try to use your elite while your opponent is just waiting to interrupt it. or you know just use your CC during the dodge to connect at the end and then cleave the area, much easier counters than trying to catch a thief trying to get away with teleports. Shadowstep man. Than use ur elite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUDse.7623 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And it can be stacked to 15 instead of only 10.. But this works just with rifle -- However, I am not sure if it is a UI bug or if they simply forgot the rifle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hopped in game and equipped a rifle with normal D/P build minus Daredevil and no extra DE traits equipped. Just auto attacking golem crits would be between 1380-1580 with no lead attacks. After stacking up to 15 crits would hit for 1500-1890. So I would have to say lead attacks for sure is affecting damage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm interesting. So it might even be true 15% then. I wonder why it was not fixed with the last patch... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who knows, but its funny that the nerf was meant to hit deadeye a bit but instead buffed it. Kind of. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nope it was meant to reduce prestacked damage modifier, that it was meant to hit deadeye is just what many thieves claim. i have yet to see anet ever state that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean you're half right. There was really 0 reason for it to be a nerf to the other specs. None of them were over performing by any means. The only thief spec over performing atm is DE in all forms. I mean it hit DE builds without rifle hard, but you could still just stack with rifle then swap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it might be your opinion that DE is overperforming and the rest is not, but its still false to assume anets intention was to only hit deadeye. they did hit deadeye in the very patch with making DJ blockable and they surely are not too stupid to specifically nerf deadeye more if they wanted to. you might be upset about the current state of core and daredevil but this hostility towards deadeye for performing better and implying that anet is too stupid to get their own intentions into the game wont really help you there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if u say, de is not overperforming, u must be rly bad, to not be able to use it. every ape can kneel deal some dmg, than use dodge, reposition completly hit with dj... xd Yea ur right, anet didnt say, it was meant to hit de, becouse balancing team sucks and got no idea how to deal with this game. de on ranged deals more dmg than core/dd on melee, with much less chance to get a punishment. Shiryu on mat made 15k, binding shadow DJ combo in MARAUDER kitten gear. if u say, its not overperforming, than nothing will make u improve in this game > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No good deadeye kneels. Watch dduff. Legendary deadeye. Doesn't kneel once. Over preforming at what excatly? Do you see 2-4 every game? Not really. U see one once in a while that about it. Doesn't sound like u play DE at all tbh if u think pressing 3 buttons is all there is to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any spec, that can 1 shot so easilly with so little risk is overperforming. yea i dont play trashspecs, ur right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then there's no point arguing. You are basically saying u never played it n don't know how it works but it's over performing. It's like saying a car sucks but u never driven it. Makes zero sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant even give good exaples. its more like, im not driving a car, but i see its kitten fast. > > > > > > > > > > > so ur also telling, malicious backstabs that dont hit like track with 1 malice have a good tell? ur trolling. give me 1 post, where all ur arguments will be valid and without flaw plz > > > > > > > > > > the 1. malice adds just 10% dmg to base backstab. we surely can talk about backstab dealing too much damage, but that hardly is a deadeye only issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yea malicious backstab is only deadeye issue. Stacking lead attacks in perma stealth with assassins signet with 10+10 dmg modifications (10 from backstab, 10 from trait to marked ppl), HITS LIKE TRUCK, and doing to so easily with no punishment is only DE issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stacking leadattacks in stealth is a bug or your in combat, in wich case you also do it on DD / core, assassins signet again a core ability. so your only argument being the ease of execution - totally something the target has to worry about and surely something you can comment on with your ample playtime of that build. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > core backstab could be easier to apply and deal more damage if the target had an option to react instead of predict. <- this is a core issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also commented 1 more thing, u forgot. > > > > > > > "doing it so easily with no punishment" > > > > > > > > > > > > thats exactly what i did comment on. ease of execution. > > > > > > > > > > I don't even mean about ease of execution(it's ofc broken), but rather ease of escape > > > > > > > > that applies to any thief. > > > > > > It was already touched on forum. There are classes that can chase s/d or d/p or kitten em from range. Nothing can hurt DE when he dodge to stealth. Unless he's ultra stupid > > > > actually there are. you may even dodge twice and the AA spamm of a holo with lock on will still connect at the end to reveal you or a ranger/ warrior might apply reveal mid dodge ( cant dodge shout reveals). and then try to use your elite while your opponent is just waiting to interrupt it. or you know just use your CC during the dodge to connect at the end and then cleave the area, much easier counters than trying to catch a thief trying to get away with teleports. > > Shadowstep man. Than use ur elite exactly! use mobility, because stealth wont get you away half as reliably, my words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safandula.8723 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And it can be stacked to 15 instead of only 10.. But this works just with rifle -- However, I am not sure if it is a UI bug or if they simply forgot the rifle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hopped in game and equipped a rifle with normal D/P build minus Daredevil and no extra DE traits equipped. Just auto attacking golem crits would be between 1380-1580 with no lead attacks. After stacking up to 15 crits would hit for 1500-1890. So I would have to say lead attacks for sure is affecting damage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm interesting. So it might even be true 15% then. I wonder why it was not fixed with the last patch... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who knows, but its funny that the nerf was meant to hit deadeye a bit but instead buffed it. Kind of. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nope it was meant to reduce prestacked damage modifier, that it was meant to hit deadeye is just what many thieves claim. i have yet to see anet ever state that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean you're half right. There was really 0 reason for it to be a nerf to the other specs. None of them were over performing by any means. The only thief spec over performing atm is DE in all forms. I mean it hit DE builds without rifle hard, but you could still just stack with rifle then swap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it might be your opinion that DE is overperforming and the rest is not, but its still false to assume anets intention was to only hit deadeye. they did hit deadeye in the very patch with making DJ blockable and they surely are not too stupid to specifically nerf deadeye more if they wanted to. you might be upset about the current state of core and daredevil but this hostility towards deadeye for performing better and implying that anet is too stupid to get their own intentions into the game wont really help you there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if u say, de is not overperforming, u must be rly bad, to not be able to use it. every ape can kneel deal some dmg, than use dodge, reposition completly hit with dj... xd Yea ur right, anet didnt say, it was meant to hit de, becouse balancing team sucks and got no idea how to deal with this game. de on ranged deals more dmg than core/dd on melee, with much less chance to get a punishment. Shiryu on mat made 15k, binding shadow DJ combo in MARAUDER kitten gear. if u say, its not overperforming, than nothing will make u improve in this game > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No good deadeye kneels. Watch dduff. Legendary deadeye. Doesn't kneel once. Over preforming at what excatly? Do you see 2-4 every game? Not really. U see one once in a while that about it. Doesn't sound like u play DE at all tbh if u think pressing 3 buttons is all there is to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any spec, that can 1 shot so easilly with so little risk is overperforming. yea i dont play trashspecs, ur right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then there's no point arguing. You are basically saying u never played it n don't know how it works but it's over performing. It's like saying a car sucks but u never driven it. Makes zero sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant even give good exaples. its more like, im not driving a car, but i see its kitten fast. > > > > > > > > > > > > so ur also telling, malicious backstabs that dont hit like track with 1 malice have a good tell? ur trolling. give me 1 post, where all ur arguments will be valid and without flaw plz > > > > > > > > > > > the 1. malice adds just 10% dmg to base backstab. we surely can talk about backstab dealing too much damage, but that hardly is a deadeye only issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yea malicious backstab is only deadeye issue. Stacking lead attacks in perma stealth with assassins signet with 10+10 dmg modifications (10 from backstab, 10 from trait to marked ppl), HITS LIKE TRUCK, and doing to so easily with no punishment is only DE issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stacking leadattacks in stealth is a bug or your in combat, in wich case you also do it on DD / core, assassins signet again a core ability. so your only argument being the ease of execution - totally something the target has to worry about and surely something you can comment on with your ample playtime of that build. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > core backstab could be easier to apply and deal more damage if the target had an option to react instead of predict. <- this is a core issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also commented 1 more thing, u forgot. > > > > > > > > "doing it so easily with no punishment" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thats exactly what i did comment on. ease of execution. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't even mean about ease of execution(it's ofc broken), but rather ease of escape > > > > > > > > > > that applies to any thief. > > > > > > > > It was already touched on forum. There are classes that can chase s/d or d/p or kitten em from range. Nothing can hurt DE when he dodge to stealth. Unless he's ultra stupid > > > > > > actually there are. you may even dodge twice and the AA spamm of a holo with lock on will still connect at the end to reveal you or a ranger/ warrior might apply reveal mid dodge ( cant dodge shout reveals). and then try to use your elite while your opponent is just waiting to interrupt it. or you know just use your CC during the dodge to connect at the end and then cleave the area, much easier counters than trying to catch a thief trying to get away with teleports. > > > > Shadowstep man. Than use ur elite > > exactly! use mobility, because stealth wont get you away half as reliably, my words. U start to troll. What makes DE broken is not just dmg, not just stealth, it's the mix of tools that makes him unkillable while doing crazy dmg. Last time I was playing with guildies on guild arena. I was full zerk vs Warr and 2 soulbeast. Noone could kill me for around 5-10 minutes, cuz of ease of escape i had. 11k hp vs 2 soulbeast and Warr. And yea they wanted me badly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUDse.7623 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And it can be stacked to 15 instead of only 10.. But this works just with rifle -- However, I am not sure if it is a UI bug or if they simply forgot the rifle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hopped in game and equipped a rifle with normal D/P build minus Daredevil and no extra DE traits equipped. Just auto attacking golem crits would be between 1380-1580 with no lead attacks. After stacking up to 15 crits would hit for 1500-1890. So I would have to say lead attacks for sure is affecting damage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm interesting. So it might even be true 15% then. I wonder why it was not fixed with the last patch... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who knows, but its funny that the nerf was meant to hit deadeye a bit but instead buffed it. Kind of. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nope it was meant to reduce prestacked damage modifier, that it was meant to hit deadeye is just what many thieves claim. i have yet to see anet ever state that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean you're half right. There was really 0 reason for it to be a nerf to the other specs. None of them were over performing by any means. The only thief spec over performing atm is DE in all forms. I mean it hit DE builds without rifle hard, but you could still just stack with rifle then swap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it might be your opinion that DE is overperforming and the rest is not, but its still false to assume anets intention was to only hit deadeye. they did hit deadeye in the very patch with making DJ blockable and they surely are not too stupid to specifically nerf deadeye more if they wanted to. you might be upset about the current state of core and daredevil but this hostility towards deadeye for performing better and implying that anet is too stupid to get their own intentions into the game wont really help you there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if u say, de is not overperforming, u must be rly bad, to not be able to use it. every ape can kneel deal some dmg, than use dodge, reposition completly hit with dj... xd Yea ur right, anet didnt say, it was meant to hit de, becouse balancing team sucks and got no idea how to deal with this game. de on ranged deals more dmg than core/dd on melee, with much less chance to get a punishment. Shiryu on mat made 15k, binding shadow DJ combo in MARAUDER kitten gear. if u say, its not overperforming, than nothing will make u improve in this game > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No good deadeye kneels. Watch dduff. Legendary deadeye. Doesn't kneel once. Over preforming at what excatly? Do you see 2-4 every game? Not really. U see one once in a while that about it. Doesn't sound like u play DE at all tbh if u think pressing 3 buttons is all there is to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any spec, that can 1 shot so easilly with so little risk is overperforming. yea i dont play trashspecs, ur right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then there's no point arguing. You are basically saying u never played it n don't know how it works but it's over performing. It's like saying a car sucks but u never driven it. Makes zero sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant even give good exaples. its more like, im not driving a car, but i see its kitten fast. > > > > > > > > > > > > > so ur also telling, malicious backstabs that dont hit like track with 1 malice have a good tell? ur trolling. give me 1 post, where all ur arguments will be valid and without flaw plz > > > > > > > > > > > > the 1. malice adds just 10% dmg to base backstab. we surely can talk about backstab dealing too much damage, but that hardly is a deadeye only issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yea malicious backstab is only deadeye issue. Stacking lead attacks in perma stealth with assassins signet with 10+10 dmg modifications (10 from backstab, 10 from trait to marked ppl), HITS LIKE TRUCK, and doing to so easily with no punishment is only DE issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stacking leadattacks in stealth is a bug or your in combat, in wich case you also do it on DD / core, assassins signet again a core ability. so your only argument being the ease of execution - totally something the target has to worry about and surely something you can comment on with your ample playtime of that build. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > core backstab could be easier to apply and deal more damage if the target had an option to react instead of predict. <- this is a core issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also commented 1 more thing, u forgot. > > > > > > > > > "doing it so easily with no punishment" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thats exactly what i did comment on. ease of execution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't even mean about ease of execution(it's ofc broken), but rather ease of escape > > > > > > > > > > > > that applies to any thief. > > > > > > > > > > It was already touched on forum. There are classes that can chase s/d or d/p or kitten em from range. Nothing can hurt DE when he dodge to stealth. Unless he's ultra stupid > > > > > > > > actually there are. you may even dodge twice and the AA spamm of a holo with lock on will still connect at the end to reveal you or a ranger/ warrior might apply reveal mid dodge ( cant dodge shout reveals). and then try to use your elite while your opponent is just waiting to interrupt it. or you know just use your CC during the dodge to connect at the end and then cleave the area, much easier counters than trying to catch a thief trying to get away with teleports. > > > > > > Shadowstep man. Than use ur elite > > > > exactly! use mobility, because stealth wont get you away half as reliably, my words. > > U start to troll. What makes DE broken is not just dmg, not just stealth, it's the mix of tools that makes him unkillable while doing crazy dmg. Last time I was playing with guildies on guild arena. I was full zerk vs Warr and 2 soulbeast. Noone could kill me for around 5-10 minutes, cuz of ease of escape i had. 11k hp vs 2 soulbeast and Warr. And yea they wanted me badly must have been terribly bad soulbeasts or you didnt engage any of them and just tried to stay alive, in that case 10 minutes was bad of you. you can avoid a fight alltogether with stealth pretty good, but once engaged those should kill you. i am not trolling, you just see the deadeye as much stronger than it is or a core/DD thief as much weaker, not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safandula.8723 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And it can be stacked to 15 instead of only 10.. But this works just with rifle -- However, I am not sure if it is a UI bug or if they simply forgot the rifle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hopped in game and equipped a rifle with normal D/P build minus Daredevil and no extra DE traits equipped. Just auto attacking golem crits would be between 1380-1580 with no lead attacks. After stacking up to 15 crits would hit for 1500-1890. So I would have to say lead attacks for sure is affecting damage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm interesting. So it might even be true 15% then. I wonder why it was not fixed with the last patch... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who knows, but its funny that the nerf was meant to hit deadeye a bit but instead buffed it. Kind of. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nope it was meant to reduce prestacked damage modifier, that it was meant to hit deadeye is just what many thieves claim. i have yet to see anet ever state that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean you're half right. There was really 0 reason for it to be a nerf to the other specs. None of them were over performing by any means. The only thief spec over performing atm is DE in all forms. I mean it hit DE builds without rifle hard, but you could still just stack with rifle then swap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it might be your opinion that DE is overperforming and the rest is not, but its still false to assume anets intention was to only hit deadeye. they did hit deadeye in the very patch with making DJ blockable and they surely are not too stupid to specifically nerf deadeye more if they wanted to. you might be upset about the current state of core and daredevil but this hostility towards deadeye for performing better and implying that anet is too stupid to get their own intentions into the game wont really help you there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if u say, de is not overperforming, u must be rly bad, to not be able to use it. every ape can kneel deal some dmg, than use dodge, reposition completly hit with dj... xd Yea ur right, anet didnt say, it was meant to hit de, becouse balancing team sucks and got no idea how to deal with this game. de on ranged deals more dmg than core/dd on melee, with much less chance to get a punishment. Shiryu on mat made 15k, binding shadow DJ combo in MARAUDER kitten gear. if u say, its not overperforming, than nothing will make u improve in this game > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No good deadeye kneels. Watch dduff. Legendary deadeye. Doesn't kneel once. Over preforming at what excatly? Do you see 2-4 every game? Not really. U see one once in a while that about it. Doesn't sound like u play DE at all tbh if u think pressing 3 buttons is all there is to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any spec, that can 1 shot so easilly with so little risk is overperforming. yea i dont play trashspecs, ur right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then there's no point arguing. You are basically saying u never played it n don't know how it works but it's over performing. It's like saying a car sucks but u never driven it. Makes zero sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant even give good exaples. its more like, im not driving a car, but i see its kitten fast. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so ur also telling, malicious backstabs that dont hit like track with 1 malice have a good tell? ur trolling. give me 1 post, where all ur arguments will be valid and without flaw plz > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 1. malice adds just 10% dmg to base backstab. we surely can talk about backstab dealing too much damage, but that hardly is a deadeye only issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yea malicious backstab is only deadeye issue. Stacking lead attacks in perma stealth with assassins signet with 10+10 dmg modifications (10 from backstab, 10 from trait to marked ppl), HITS LIKE TRUCK, and doing to so easily with no punishment is only DE issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stacking leadattacks in stealth is a bug or your in combat, in wich case you also do it on DD / core, assassins signet again a core ability. so your only argument being the ease of execution - totally something the target has to worry about and surely something you can comment on with your ample playtime of that build. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > core backstab could be easier to apply and deal more damage if the target had an option to react instead of predict. <- this is a core issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also commented 1 more thing, u forgot. > > > > > > > > > > "doing it so easily with no punishment" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thats exactly what i did comment on. ease of execution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't even mean about ease of execution(it's ofc broken), but rather ease of escape > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that applies to any thief. > > > > > > > > > > > > It was already touched on forum. There are classes that can chase s/d or d/p or kitten em from range. Nothing can hurt DE when he dodge to stealth. Unless he's ultra stupid > > > > > > > > > > actually there are. you may even dodge twice and the AA spamm of a holo with lock on will still connect at the end to reveal you or a ranger/ warrior might apply reveal mid dodge ( cant dodge shout reveals). and then try to use your elite while your opponent is just waiting to interrupt it. or you know just use your CC during the dodge to connect at the end and then cleave the area, much easier counters than trying to catch a thief trying to get away with teleports. > > > > > > > > Shadowstep man. Than use ur elite > > > > > > exactly! use mobility, because stealth wont get you away half as reliably, my words. > > > > U start to troll. What makes DE broken is not just dmg, not just stealth, it's the mix of tools that makes him unkillable while doing crazy dmg. Last time I was playing with guildies on guild arena. I was full zerk vs Warr and 2 soulbeast. Noone could kill me for around 5-10 minutes, cuz of ease of escape i had. 11k hp vs 2 soulbeast and Warr. And yea they wanted me badly > > must have been terribly bad soulbeasts or you didnt engage any of them and just tried to stay alive, in that case 10 minutes was bad of you. > you can avoid a fight alltogether with stealth pretty good, but once engaged those should kill you. > i am not trolling, you just see the deadeye as much stronger than it is or a core/DD thief as much weaker, not sure. I played carefully cuz I'm fking zerker, but I wasnt only afking . And they always engaged on me with sic em, so I had to avoid some dmg, remove reveal, and than stealth Fiesta begin again Edit. It is not de being stronger than rest, it just has stupid mechanics that allows him to do what already mentioned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUDse.7623 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And it can be stacked to 15 instead of only 10.. But this works just with rifle -- However, I am not sure if it is a UI bug or if they simply forgot the rifle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hopped in game and equipped a rifle with normal D/P build minus Daredevil and no extra DE traits equipped. Just auto attacking golem crits would be between 1380-1580 with no lead attacks. After stacking up to 15 crits would hit for 1500-1890. So I would have to say lead attacks for sure is affecting damage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm interesting. So it might even be true 15% then. I wonder why it was not fixed with the last patch... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who knows, but its funny that the nerf was meant to hit deadeye a bit but instead buffed it. Kind of. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nope it was meant to reduce prestacked damage modifier, that it was meant to hit deadeye is just what many thieves claim. i have yet to see anet ever state that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean you're half right. There was really 0 reason for it to be a nerf to the other specs. None of them were over performing by any means. The only thief spec over performing atm is DE in all forms. I mean it hit DE builds without rifle hard, but you could still just stack with rifle then swap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it might be your opinion that DE is overperforming and the rest is not, but its still false to assume anets intention was to only hit deadeye. they did hit deadeye in the very patch with making DJ blockable and they surely are not too stupid to specifically nerf deadeye more if they wanted to. you might be upset about the current state of core and daredevil but this hostility towards deadeye for performing better and implying that anet is too stupid to get their own intentions into the game wont really help you there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if u say, de is not overperforming, u must be rly bad, to not be able to use it. every ape can kneel deal some dmg, than use dodge, reposition completly hit with dj... xd Yea ur right, anet didnt say, it was meant to hit de, becouse balancing team sucks and got no idea how to deal with this game. de on ranged deals more dmg than core/dd on melee, with much less chance to get a punishment. Shiryu on mat made 15k, binding shadow DJ combo in MARAUDER kitten gear. if u say, its not overperforming, than nothing will make u improve in this game > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No good deadeye kneels. Watch dduff. Legendary deadeye. Doesn't kneel once. Over preforming at what excatly? Do you see 2-4 every game? Not really. U see one once in a while that about it. Doesn't sound like u play DE at all tbh if u think pressing 3 buttons is all there is to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any spec, that can 1 shot so easilly with so little risk is overperforming. yea i dont play trashspecs, ur right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then there's no point arguing. You are basically saying u never played it n don't know how it works but it's over performing. It's like saying a car sucks but u never driven it. Makes zero sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant even give good exaples. its more like, im not driving a car, but i see its kitten fast. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so ur also telling, malicious backstabs that dont hit like track with 1 malice have a good tell? ur trolling. give me 1 post, where all ur arguments will be valid and without flaw plz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 1. malice adds just 10% dmg to base backstab. we surely can talk about backstab dealing too much damage, but that hardly is a deadeye only issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yea malicious backstab is only deadeye issue. Stacking lead attacks in perma stealth with assassins signet with 10+10 dmg modifications (10 from backstab, 10 from trait to marked ppl), HITS LIKE TRUCK, and doing to so easily with no punishment is only DE issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stacking leadattacks in stealth is a bug or your in combat, in wich case you also do it on DD / core, assassins signet again a core ability. so your only argument being the ease of execution - totally something the target has to worry about and surely something you can comment on with your ample playtime of that build. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > core backstab could be easier to apply and deal more damage if the target had an option to react instead of predict. <- this is a core issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also commented 1 more thing, u forgot. > > > > > > > > > > > "doing it so easily with no punishment" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thats exactly what i did comment on. ease of execution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't even mean about ease of execution(it's ofc broken), but rather ease of escape > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that applies to any thief. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was already touched on forum. There are classes that can chase s/d or d/p or kitten em from range. Nothing can hurt DE when he dodge to stealth. Unless he's ultra stupid > > > > > > > > > > > > actually there are. you may even dodge twice and the AA spamm of a holo with lock on will still connect at the end to reveal you or a ranger/ warrior might apply reveal mid dodge ( cant dodge shout reveals). and then try to use your elite while your opponent is just waiting to interrupt it. or you know just use your CC during the dodge to connect at the end and then cleave the area, much easier counters than trying to catch a thief trying to get away with teleports. > > > > > > > > > > Shadowstep man. Than use ur elite > > > > > > > > exactly! use mobility, because stealth wont get you away half as reliably, my words. > > > > > > U start to troll. What makes DE broken is not just dmg, not just stealth, it's the mix of tools that makes him unkillable while doing crazy dmg. Last time I was playing with guildies on guild arena. I was full zerk vs Warr and 2 soulbeast. Noone could kill me for around 5-10 minutes, cuz of ease of escape i had. 11k hp vs 2 soulbeast and Warr. And yea they wanted me badly > > > > must have been terribly bad soulbeasts or you didnt engage any of them and just tried to stay alive, in that case 10 minutes was bad of you. > > you can avoid a fight alltogether with stealth pretty good, but once engaged those should kill you. > > i am not trolling, you just see the deadeye as much stronger than it is or a core/DD thief as much weaker, not sure. > > I played carefully cuz I'm kitten zerker, but I wasnt only afking . And they always engaged on me with sic em, so I had to avoid some dmg, remove reveal, and than stealth Fiesta begin again > Edit. It is not de being stronger than rest, it just has stupid mechanics that allows him to do what already mentioned so basically your only problem is that you dont enjoy fighting deadeyes, why didnt you say so from the get go? then we wouldnt have to derail this topic, its an important topic - the bug needs fixing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safandula.8723 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"omgdracula.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"syszery.1592" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And it can be stacked to 15 instead of only 10.. But this works just with rifle -- However, I am not sure if it is a UI bug or if they simply forgot the rifle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hopped in game and equipped a rifle with normal D/P build minus Daredevil and no extra DE traits equipped. Just auto attacking golem crits would be between 1380-1580 with no lead attacks. After stacking up to 15 crits would hit for 1500-1890. So I would have to say lead attacks for sure is affecting damage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm interesting. So it might even be true 15% then. I wonder why it was not fixed with the last patch... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who knows, but its funny that the nerf was meant to hit deadeye a bit but instead buffed it. Kind of. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nope it was meant to reduce prestacked damage modifier, that it was meant to hit deadeye is just what many thieves claim. i have yet to see anet ever state that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean you're half right. There was really 0 reason for it to be a nerf to the other specs. None of them were over performing by any means. The only thief spec over performing atm is DE in all forms. I mean it hit DE builds without rifle hard, but you could still just stack with rifle then swap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it might be your opinion that DE is overperforming and the rest is not, but its still false to assume anets intention was to only hit deadeye. they did hit deadeye in the very patch with making DJ blockable and they surely are not too stupid to specifically nerf deadeye more if they wanted to. you might be upset about the current state of core and daredevil but this hostility towards deadeye for performing better and implying that anet is too stupid to get their own intentions into the game wont really help you there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if u say, de is not overperforming, u must be rly bad, to not be able to use it. every ape can kneel deal some dmg, than use dodge, reposition completly hit with dj... xd Yea ur right, anet didnt say, it was meant to hit de, becouse balancing team sucks and got no idea how to deal with this game. de on ranged deals more dmg than core/dd on melee, with much less chance to get a punishment. Shiryu on mat made 15k, binding shadow DJ combo in MARAUDER kitten gear. if u say, its not overperforming, than nothing will make u improve in this game > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No good deadeye kneels. Watch dduff. Legendary deadeye. Doesn't kneel once. Over preforming at what excatly? Do you see 2-4 every game? Not really. U see one once in a while that about it. Doesn't sound like u play DE at all tbh if u think pressing 3 buttons is all there is to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any spec, that can 1 shot so easilly with so little risk is overperforming. yea i dont play trashspecs, ur right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then there's no point arguing. You are basically saying u never played it n don't know how it works but it's over performing. It's like saying a car sucks but u never driven it. Makes zero sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant even give good exaples. its more like, im not driving a car, but i see its kitten fast. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so ur also telling, malicious backstabs that dont hit like track with 1 malice have a good tell? ur trolling. give me 1 post, where all ur arguments will be valid and without flaw plz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 1. malice adds just 10% dmg to base backstab. we surely can talk about backstab dealing too much damage, but that hardly is a deadeye only issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yea malicious backstab is only deadeye issue. Stacking lead attacks in perma stealth with assassins signet with 10+10 dmg modifications (10 from backstab, 10 from trait to marked ppl), HITS LIKE TRUCK, and doing to so easily with no punishment is only DE issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stacking leadattacks in stealth is a bug or your in combat, in wich case you also do it on DD / core, assassins signet again a core ability. so your only argument being the ease of execution - totally something the target has to worry about and surely something you can comment on with your ample playtime of that build. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > core backstab could be easier to apply and deal more damage if the target had an option to react instead of predict. <- this is a core issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also commented 1 more thing, u forgot. > > > > > > > > > > > > "doing it so easily with no punishment" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thats exactly what i did comment on. ease of execution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't even mean about ease of execution(it's ofc broken), but rather ease of escape > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that applies to any thief. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was already touched on forum. There are classes that can chase s/d or d/p or kitten em from range. Nothing can hurt DE when he dodge to stealth. Unless he's ultra stupid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually there are. you may even dodge twice and the AA spamm of a holo with lock on will still connect at the end to reveal you or a ranger/ warrior might apply reveal mid dodge ( cant dodge shout reveals). and then try to use your elite while your opponent is just waiting to interrupt it. or you know just use your CC during the dodge to connect at the end and then cleave the area, much easier counters than trying to catch a thief trying to get away with teleports. > > > > > > > > > > > > Shadowstep man. Than use ur elite > > > > > > > > > > exactly! use mobility, because stealth wont get you away half as reliably, my words. > > > > > > > > U start to troll. What makes DE broken is not just dmg, not just stealth, it's the mix of tools that makes him unkillable while doing crazy dmg. Last time I was playing with guildies on guild arena. I was full zerk vs Warr and 2 soulbeast. Noone could kill me for around 5-10 minutes, cuz of ease of escape i had. 11k hp vs 2 soulbeast and Warr. And yea they wanted me badly > > > > > > must have been terribly bad soulbeasts or you didnt engage any of them and just tried to stay alive, in that case 10 minutes was bad of you. > > > you can avoid a fight alltogether with stealth pretty good, but once engaged those should kill you. > > > i am not trolling, you just see the deadeye as much stronger than it is or a core/DD thief as much weaker, not sure. > > > > I played carefully cuz I'm kitten zerker, but I wasnt only afking . And they always engaged on me with sic em, so I had to avoid some dmg, remove reveal, and than stealth Fiesta begin again > > Edit. It is not de being stronger than rest, it just has stupid mechanics that allows him to do what already mentioned > > so basically your only problem is that you dont enjoy fighting deadeyes, why didnt you say so from the get go? then we wouldnt have to derail this topic, its an important topic - the bug needs fixing. Trying to predict dodge vs invisible players is not fighting lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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