Ok, now undo the marked stealth mechanic...

[Raiden The Beast.3016]

Thank you... great patch notes... lol no buff to dp sd no nerf to daggerstorm...

 

But with the change from 3 to 1sec stealth, Please undo this unprofessional marked mechanic in wvw regards stealth

[SoulSin.5682]

At least raise the stealth time a little.

 

From 4s to 8s to match skills like Mass invisibility.

[Safandula.8723]

> @"SoulSin.5682" said:

> At least raise the stealth time a little.

>

> From 4s to 8s to match skills like Mass invisibility.

 

lol. which skill of thief should give 8s of stealth?

[Eugenides.1274]

Once the stealth applied by Silent Scope is changed to 1 second, doesn't that mean you won't get hit by the destealth and revealed mechanic of marked? IIRC it only applies at 3 seconds of stealth. Even with Shadow Arts, the stealth will only last 2 seconds so you shouldn't get hit with the debuff.

 

Not commenting on the validity of the change, but it might not be entirely bad. When fighting in an area with a watchtower or nearby a sentry it should allow you to get into stealth to hit Death's Judgement without having to worry about getting punished by the debuff unless you try to stack stealth outside of Silent Scope. It may end up shoehorning you into Shadow Arts though if you want the safety of repositioning with stealth (which would also lower DPS potential, but that might be a side effect ANet is aiming for).

[Turk.5460]

> @"Eugenides.1274" said:

> Once the stealth applied by Silent Scope is changed to 1 second, doesn't that mean you won't get hit by the destealth and revealed mechanic of marked? IIRC it only applies at 3 seconds of stealth. Even with Shadow Arts, the stealth will only last 2 seconds so you shouldn't get hit with the debuff.

 

The mark still applies to builds outside of Deadeye. Core and Daredevil access to stealth is through smoke field finishers, CnD, SA traits, and utility skills. All of which are a minimum of 3 seconds, which will apply the Marked reveal.

[SoulSin.5682]

> @"Safandula.8723" said:

> > @"SoulSin.5682" said:

> > At least raise the stealth time a little.

> >

> > From 4s to 8s to match skills like Mass invisibility.

>

> lol. which skill of thief should give 8s of stealth?

 

Shadow Refuge

Smoke field + blinding powder.

Shadow trap.

 

Not all of those give 8s, but they are by thenselves more than enough to get marked.

[Safandula.8723]

> @"SoulSin.5682" said:

> > @"Safandula.8723" said:

> > > @"SoulSin.5682" said:

> > > At least raise the stealth time a little.

> > >

> > > From 4s to 8s to match skills like Mass invisibility.

> >

> > lol. which skill of thief should give 8s of stealth?

>

> Shadow Refuge

> Smoke field + blinding powder.

> Shadow trap.

>

> Not all of those give 8s, but they are by thenselves more than enough to get marked.

 

Marked mechanic was poorly thought but Tbh stealth need rework

[TwiceDead.1963]

> @"Safandula.8723" said:

> > @"SoulSin.5682" said:

> > > @"Safandula.8723" said:

> > > > @"SoulSin.5682" said:

> > > > At least raise the stealth time a little.

> > > >

> > > > From 4s to 8s to match skills like Mass invisibility.

> > >

> > > lol. which skill of thief should give 8s of stealth?

> >

> > Shadow Refuge

> > Smoke field + blinding powder.

> > Shadow trap.

> >

> > Not all of those give 8s, but they are by thenselves more than enough to get marked.

>

> Marked mechanic was poorly thought but Tbh stealth need rework

 

Stealth mechanic itself is fine. The over-abundance of it wasn't fine.

[Raiden The Beast.3016]

Marked stealth mechanic is one of the most stupid Design decision ever made in gw2...only because of forum meme from wvw low Skill players... and anet listen to them. Somehow like decisions in balance...

[Straegen.2938]

While problematic for stealthers, I find the marked mechanic simply kept me from hunting in those areas. I might dart in to pop a zergling or to take out a sentry when nobody was around but I certainly didn't stay. Now with the shorter stealth Silent Scope gives, I will try to go back to hunting in those areas since the marked designation does draw in prey.

[Lithril Ashwalker.6230]

I agree, find my past post on the discussion of changing Marked.

[Jugglemonkey.8741]

> @"Straegen.2938" said:

> While problematic for stealthers, I find the marked mechanic simply kept me from hunting in those areas. I might dart in to pop a zergling or to take out a sentry when nobody was around but I certainly didn't stay. Now with the shorter stealth Silent Scope gives, I will try to go back to hunting in those areas since the marked designation does draw in prey.

 

I've noticed this as well, been playing my old shortbow trapper DD a lot recently and it's funny watching people pile on me in marked areas to discover I don't need stealth lol

[MakubeC.3026]

What is this Marked stealth mechanic you're talking about? Never heard of it.

[Leo Schrodingers Cat.2497]

> @"MakubeC.3026" said:

> What is this Marked stealth mechanic you're talking about? Never heard of it.

 

No seriously, wtd are yall talking about?

[Sir Vincent III.1286]

> @"Leo Schrodingers Cat.2497" said:

> > @"MakubeC.3026" said:

> > What is this Marked stealth mechanic you're talking about? Never heard of it.

>

> No seriously, wtd are yall talking about?

 

In WvW, if you get close to a tower, you'd get Marked. If you are in stealth, you'd get Revealed after 3s.

[elcapo.6159]

**_If anet keeps nerfing DE and thief mechanics, i have to ask for heavy gear for my thief and more base health. All the hate post against thieves, comes from people who didnt have any clue about run with no armor and 10.5k health specially in competitive modes._**

[Jugglemonkey.8741]

The problem is, silent scope was never the reason for marked being introduced for towers. That stealth play was mostly achieved with placing sniper's cover in a wall then heartseeker x4, so smoke fields. So removing mark now will enable cheesy hiding in towers again just like it was before.

[MUDse.7623]

> @"Jugglemonkey.8741" said:

> The problem is, silent scope was never the reason for marked being introduced for towers. That stealth play was mostly achieved with placing sniper's cover in a wall then heartseeker x4, so smoke fields. So removing mark now will enable cheesy hiding in towers again just like it was before.

 

well before the change there was also energy sigil stacking and you could permastealth with only dodges, wich i did.

if you just aim to hide you may also change traits for more stolen skills to use them on non damagable targets / out of range or obstructed, that can cover for quite a bit.

 

however i dont think removing marked will make only more deadeyes. 2 scrappers and you have 0 tell permastealth for an entire group wich may include mesmers as the new stealth gyro has no visuals for opponents and there is a trait that will reduce its cooldown by 3s every time you use a dodge roll. so there again dodge for permastealth ;)