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**A little friendly competition will only benefit players, 2021, keep an open mind for options, exciting...** 2000: World of Warcraft Devs leaves Blizzard to form Triforge (tribute to classic SNES game Zelda) 2002: NCsoft acquires Triforge (Arenanet) 2005: GW1 releases by Arenanet **WoW fans: Boo! GW1 fans: Yay! Innovative! WoW killer!** 2006: GW1 Factions expansion releases 2006: GW1 Nightfall expansion releases 2007: GW1 Eye of the north expansion releases 2007: GW2 announced **GW1 fans: take your time! Don't rush!** 2012: GW2 Releases 2015: GW2 Expansion Heart of Thorns **GW1 fans: Mechanics update? Alliances? Cantha? GW2 fans: What's Cantha?** 2017: GW2 Expansion Path of Fire **GW1 fans: Mechanics update? Alliances? Cantha? GW2 fans: Boo! No GW1!** 2018/2019: Arenanet Layoffs **GW1 fans: Worried...Alliances? Cantha? GW2 fans: Boo! No! No GW1!** 2019: GW2 former GW1/GW2 Devs leaves for Relentless studios 2019: Amazon cancels Crucible by Relentless studios **GW1 fans: ... GW2 fans: Boo! Told ya!** 2019: New World Announced (yes steam launch) 2020: GW2 End of Dragons Announced (no steam launch) 2020: Crucible team (former GW1/GW2 Devs) merged into New World team **GW1 fans: Yay! Innovative! Worried...Cantha? GW2 fans: Boo! No GW1! NW fans: take your time! Don't rush!** 2021: ... ***Pattern forming here? Competition? More option for players? And oddly enough...** **2019-2020:** **GW1/GW2 Fans:** Alliances? Balanced PvP endgame? **NW:** 50 vs 50 War **GW1/GW2 Fans:** PvE? **NW:** Invasion (defend against hordes) **GW1/GW2 Fans:** Siege style Fort Aspenwood/Jade Quarry like in GW1? (3 teams of 4 per side) **NW:** here you go, 20 vs 20 Outpost rush (4 teams of 5 per side) **GW1/GW2 Fans:** Dungeons/raids? **NW:** Oh look...Expeditions **GW1/GW2 Fans:** Crafting? Cantha? Factions? **NW:** Hold my beer... 

**Ah, the love & hate relationship cycle of a game that could've been so much more...** - Free to play (Marketing), new player tries PvE (infatuation) - Player buys game based on PvE (justification, **$ profit**) - Player buys skins (passion, dedication of time, **$ profit**) - Player fiercely defends game on forums based on PvE (confirmation bias) **Then bam!** - Player tries PvP/WvW for the first time, instantly killed (confusion) - Player transfers servers to follow Zergs (**$ profit**) - Player sees hackers, reports (shocked, questions) - Player harrassed by hackers in-game (anger, injustice) - Player goes on forums (resent, lost, helpless due to $ and hours put in game) - Player sees promises for fixes/alliances (optimism, hope) **Time passes, no action taken, then bam!** - Player loses hope, goes on forums voicing out concerns (frustration) - New unexpecting PvE players (in the infatuation phase) attacks veteran player viciously on forums - fiercely defending their investment in the game (**$ profit**) **The cycle repeats...** Since we're on this topic, any comments on the below video by a dedicated GW1/GW2 content creator noting hacking in-game? He was almost banned for pointing out the critical issues, it was the veteran player community that came into his defense, the decision for the ban was later revoked, any comments/thoughts on this?

**gw2 players:** we goin' back to Cantha! gw1 veteran devs: hold my beer! **gw2 players:** 2 years, no wvw alliances still? gw1 veteran devs: oh look...50v50 War **gw2 players:** I miss GW1 [Fort Aspenwood](https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Fort_Aspenwood) & [Jade Quarry](https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_Jade_Quarry) invasion style play gw1 veteran devs: here you go...20v20 outpost rush **gw2 players:** friendly competition much? gw1 veteran devs: ..ends transmission.. 

> @"Arheundel.6451" said: > People asking for "balance"..should play PvP and see how fun it's the game once you start removing options.... - So, people asking for balance should quit WvW gamemode? hmm, interesting.. > @"Arheundel.6451" said: > 1) They changed siege damage so that people focus on fights ...and if you lose the tower or whatever....just go and recap it! - If one side spawn camps (50 vs 5) for 3 hours+ on a 24/7 match that resets once per week, then what happens? Go to PvP as well? (spawn area does not allow siege prints at the moment) > @"Arheundel.6451" said: > 2) WvW offers the biggest customability in the game, plenty of opportunity for you to change the way you play and plenty of guides, - Third party website to gain an upper hand, or die infinitely number of times, got it! Too bad for those PvE players trying WvW for the first time right? > @"Arheundel.6451" said: > 3) **There is no fixing population** , people will always lemming from one server to another looking to zerg their way to victory but guess what?....A small population server can still fight and win...deal with it! - 50 vs 5 at 1 corner of spawn on EBG, no siege allowed at spawn, how do you win? Please elaborate.. > @"Arheundel.6451" said: > 4) If you want the so called "balance"...go PvP... - So WvW is not balanced, solution is to quit WvW gamemode, deja vu > @"Arheundel.6451" said: > > The situation above is what happens when people keep asking for "balance" in a MMO without understanding what balance in a MMO means - PvP has a point system and timer, WvW has no timer, can you let me know which server and time zone you play WvW on? Me and a few perma-stealth buddies would love to hook up with you sometime near your spawn when zergs/blobs are away :) > @"Arheundel.6451" said: > Everything else like Alliances or whatever, won't change the current scenario much more than that. Many people like me keep logging in GW2 just because WvW is still somehow fun to play - And yet alliances was mentioned by the devs themselves in the past before the layoffs, I guess they're wrong? Which server do you play on? Would love to meet ya in person at spawn :) Got to buy them gems for real $ to support the games' new shinny weapon skins right? https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/26547/world-restructuring/p1 https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/45856/world-restructuring-update-1/p1 https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/61986/world-restructuring-update-2/p1 https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/26877/world-restructuring-faq/p1

Well said above, pragmatically speaking, the **math** never lies in the end, at times **rude awakenings** are needed for any business. **GW2 WvW is missing gold standard design elements such as:** - **[GW1 skill system](https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Skill)** diversity + balance - **[GW1 alliance battles](https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Alliance_Battles)** design philosophy - **GW1 game design** methodology (listening to players constructively without taking it personally) - **Passion:** veteran game designers dedicated to their craft & not just for the money - **Meritocracy:** The right talents in the right places - **Financial literacy & accountability:** Utilizing the right $ resources in the right places - **GW1:** Player was king, balanced by critical design decisions - **GW2:** Money (skins) is king There is another major **'BIG'** competitor appearing in the horizon with infinite financial resources. Veteran game designers from the GW1 era are on their team, if you've ever played [GW1 Factions & Alliance Battles](https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Alliance_Battles), I'm sure you'll instantly recognize similarities in their recent alpha PvP system, this spring/summer will be another one of those defining moments where **math is king!** Keep the hope alive though! Fingers-crossed! :)