Speedylord.2798

> @"Gyro.9182" said: > I am hugely disappointed by ANet‘s decision (and its intentional disabling of comments on the original thread). Long-time Mac gamer, invested much time, love and quite a bit of money in the game. > Yes, I understand that shifting the game to a sensible base (Metal instead of the extremely outdated OpenGL) would cost time and money they don‘t want to invest, or cannot. I also understand that their situation and the assumed number of Mac users might make this a „sensible“ decision. > What I do not understand at all is why existing Mac users have to be forcibly locked out of the whole game in mid-February. They might continue allowing us to play it, even if no further extensions would be provided or glitches would be fixed. Instead - they announce to completely lock us out. > Unless this changes, I will turn my back on the game and company before they force me to do it. If you're really into gaming (as the term Mac gamer implies), I would stronly recommend just getting a Windows (or linux perhaps) gaming desktop/laptop, the performance difference and overall game experience is pretty big :)! I might've misinterpreted your wording though.

> @"anduriell.6280" said: > > @"Speedylord.2798" said: > > Well yes, a laptop and a desktop, gaming or not, are just different things. Desktops are stationary, laptops are more compact and thus mobile, being able to be used when not plugged in. > > > > Also please stop putting quotation marks on the "gaming" for gaming laptops, many modern gaming laptops can be faster than most people's gaming desktops so just quit it please. > > > > Mini ITX setups are great and compact, but you still cannot get any work done with them when you're in a public place for example. If you're in a business meeting room you're not gonna place a Mini ITX Desktop, keyboard + mouse and monitor on the table. If you're travelling from office to office it can work, but not when you need to do work on the go or when you need to get things done when you simply do not have the space for a setup or do not want to rely on having power sockets and the necessary space available at all times. > > > > Although gaming laptops can be bought as a mobile counterpart for their gaming desktop at home, most people actually buy gaming laptops to have the benefit of a regular laptop (mobility and portability/lightweight, off the wall use) while also having a good gaming experience when you're not travelling, which would not be possible on a regular ultrabook but would be on a (gaming) desktop. > > Gaming laptops are for people who can benefit from the mobile aspect of it, and would need a good laptop anyway but either 1) cannot afford both a good laptop and desktop 2) do not have the space for a desktop setup 3) simply want to have one solution. There are many more reasons why one would want to look into gaming laptops as a solution but these are just to list a few. > > Agreed, my point is buyers should be aware they are not the same thing and they should not expect same performance. If we can agree on that i don't see any need to keep discussing this point. Yes that's exactly it! They are different beasts and each got their own usecases, buyers should decide which solution is best for their usecase:)!

> @"anduriell.6280" said: > > @"Speedylord.2798" said: > > I'm not saying mobile CPU's perform as well as desktop CPU's, I am saying that mobile CPU's can still be very powerful in its own right > > > > And yes, the mobile RTX 2060 may be 20% lower in performance compared to its desktop counterpart, that doesn't make it a slow GPU. For 1080P gaming, > > > > Gaming Laptops will always be more expensive than Gaming Desktops, but the big difference is portability. > So yeah you agree a "gaming" laptop is not a gaming desktop. When you buy one of those you should be aware of the difference. Those have their use and is when you travel around and don't stay in a place for long. Otherwise i would advise a mini ITX setup which can be pretty portable and connect it to a any TV or monitor. > > A gaming laptop is an accessory for your existing gaming rig, not a replacement. > > > Well yes, a laptop and a desktop, gaming or not, are just different things. Desktops are stationary, laptops are more compact and thus mobile, being able to be used when not plugged in. Also please stop putting quotation marks on the "gaming" for gaming laptops, many modern gaming laptops can be faster than most people's gaming desktops so just quit it please. Mini ITX setups are great and compact, but you still cannot get any work done with them when you're in a public place for example. If you're in a business meeting room you're not gonna place a Mini ITX Desktop, keyboard + mouse and monitor on the table. If you're travelling from office to office it can work, but not when you need to do work on the go or when you need to get things done when you simply do not have the space for a setup or do not want to rely on having power sockets and the necessary space available at all times. Although gaming laptops can be bought as a mobile counterpart for their gaming desktop at home, most people actually buy gaming laptops to have the benefit of a regular laptop (mobility and portability/lightweight, off the wall use) while also having a good gaming experience when you're not travelling, which would not be possible on a regular ultrabook but would be on a (gaming) desktop. Gaming laptops are for people who can benefit from the mobile aspect of it, and would need a good laptop anyway but either 1) cannot afford both a good laptop and desktop 2) do not have the space for a desktop setup 3) simply want to have one solution. There are many more reasons why one would want to look into gaming laptops as a solution but these are just to list a few.

> @"anduriell.6280" said: > > @"Pepsi.3610" said: > > Hello everyone, > > For xmas I decided to buy a new gaming laptop: Asus Rog Strix G15 with GPU RTX2060, and CPU i7 10th generation, I mean, a really great PC for its specs. > > > Just sharing my experiences : > * laptops are a pretty weak machines when we talk about CPUs, because of power consumption and thermals. > * I7 2.6ghz is slow in comparison to what you get in a PC. The 5ghz hyperboost will not be noticeable for games. Ina desktop I run 5.2ghz in all cores stable in a i7 9th generation. I have seen 10th gen reach 5.6ghz stable. > * laptop 2060rtx is a 20% slower by design than the desktop counterpart which is not good to start with. Also ASUS is known to under clock their machines to keep the thermals down. > > TLDR: a “gaming laptop” is not a gaming pc, its overpriced computer you use when you cant play on a desktop because travelling, so don't expect an amazing performance. > > Now, yes GW2 is badly optimized and you can not get over 30fps in busy maps even with the latest most powerful hardware. > As other said lag is usually because an slow internet connection. I'm sorry but you clearly haven't kept up with the gaming laptop space very well. First of all, many gaming laptops can run their CPU's at their maximum rated clockspeed. Sometimes you will have to tweak them a bit but the general consesus is that there are many devices on the market in this day and age where both the CPU and GPU can be cooled well and perform as intended. The 2.6Ghz he mentioned, is clearly the base clock of the CPU. The all core boost of the CPU (i7 10th gen, so it's either the 6 core i7 10750H or the 8 core i7 10850H) is rated at 4.50Ghz, that's only 200Mhz lower than let's say the standard all core boost clock of a desktop i7-10700K. I'm not saying mobile CPU's perform as well as desktop CPU's, I am saying that mobile CPU's can still be very powerful in its own right, probably being able to outperform many CPU's people on this forum use in their desktop. And yes, the mobile RTX 2060 may be 20% lower in performance compared to its desktop counterpart, that doesn't make it a slow GPU. For 1080P gaming, and especially Guild Wars 2 which would in no way ever saturate a GPU of this calibre, it is more than enough. Here's a YouTube link which shows some benchmarks of the mobile RTX 2060 (and GTX 1660 Ti as well): . Gaming Laptops will always be more expensive than Gaming Desktops, but the big difference is portability. You can use one device to use for work on the go or to travel with, and when you get home you can game on the same device and with that a good gaming experience. 144hz, competent GPU + CPU combos, sometimes even mechanical keyboards, being able to push 120-300fps in competitive FPS titles, being able to run AAA titles on highest settings while maintaining a good framerate on 1080P... Saying that laptops cannot game well or do not offer good performance is a very dated statement.

Threadrippers are not really CPUs meant for gaming, they are targeted towards numbercrunching applications and heavily multithreaded applications/workloads. The absolute fastest CPUs in terms of core speed/single thread performance would be a Ryzen 5000 series processor (btw make sure not to compare clockspeed between intel and AMD, given IPC, "instructions per clock," is different and there are some pretty big architectural differences. 4Ghz on an AMD chip is not the same as 4Ghz on an intel chip). Given that the Ryzen 5000 series is difficult to obtain right now (limited stock), you can also look at something like at Ryzen 5, 7 or 9 3000 CPU's or Intels offerings being the i5 10600K or i7 10700K. You COULD get an i9 10850K but I would say it offers limited value over the i7 10700K. So basically: *Absolute best of the best would be the Ryzen 9 5900X (or the 16 core Ryzen 9 5950X) *More reasonable options for current gen are either the Ryzen 5 5600X or Ryzen 7 5800X, or intel's core i5 10600K and core i7 10700K. *For previous gen options I would look at either the intel core i9 9900K, the Ryzen 5 3600X or Ryzen 7 3700X. I recommend to pick one of these because as newer games release, they will be more multithreaded and I would say a 6 core CPU with multithreading is really something you want to have, as 4 core/8 threads will slowely be a bottleneck as time moves on for games. This is why I do not recommend the intel core i5 9600K or core i7 9700K, because they only have 6 and 8 threads available respectively and for some modern games is already a limiting factor. In Guild Wars 2 you could get away with it but if you're planning on playing newer games and AAA titles, I would strongly recommend the Ryzen 5/7 of either the 3000 or 5000 series, or the Core i5/i7 of the 10th gen. :)