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> @"LolLookAtMyAP.8394" said:
> I only really don't like fighting Mirages, thanks to Mirage Cloak. No matter how many nerfs it gets, Mirage will be a pain in the butt.
so you answered the poll, by doing the opposite of what was asked
> @"Knighthonor.4061" said:
> Which of the Guild Wars 2 classes do you enjoy fighting against the most in structure PVP?
^^ "the most" not the "least"
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250kp cm group failing t1 siren reef?
sounds like OP wanted to put some volume behind his rant as to be taken more serious now.
however, it's quite the opposite. a proper 250kp team just melts crowe
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> @"Acheron.4731" said:
> to berserker as a gm trait in exchange for % damage boost or stab
> Pros/Cons?
you have to be kidding lol
berserker (both banners, and power dps) are currently overperforming dps-wise
and here you are, asking for even more dps.
you do realise that the next balance patch, in 3 months from now, will nerf berserker by either putting an icd on f1, or lowering the damage mod from bloody roar from 20% to 10%?
enjoy your 3 months, i know i will
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> @"Only Even.6193" said:
> I stepped in a VG training squad yesterday that welcomed everyone, anyclass.
> We were 3-4 exp players, the other players were total newcomers in raids, some with no ascended gears at all, one Reaper with mastery 9 and around 800 AP, with green gears.
> The Com tooks like 5 minutes to explain the mechanics, and we killed it during the first try, 6m20s. Some blues but not a big deal... After that we tried Gorso but since we had two players with no mastery (our chrono had to port them on the platform to start) and not enough dps to skip each time, we called it a night.. Tho, we achieved 13% remaining before wipe.
> We did around 10 tries on Gorso with this comp and no one ragequited or started to blame anyone even once, we helped the newcomers to improve their rotations and utility slots, we gained some dps, we reached 13% but still wasn't enough. Still, it was one of the most pleasant raid sessions I ever had, it was a lot of fun.
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> The most frustrating thing about this is that I've seen far worse from "full exp squad 200+li/kp". Most of those exp players can't even stand 1-2 wipes before leaving/kicking, acting like princesses so even if they made a mistake, you can't talk about it, because they can get angry at you/leave/kick you or even blaming the whole squad, or everything at the same time.
> So Kp/Li is absolutely not a sign of skill level because you'll never know in wich conditions a player obtained them, but as Illconceived said, It's the easiest thing to show.
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> To me, a very high skilled raider is able to explain every mechanics clearly and describe every roles so even a newbie can understand quickly.
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when you join a 200+ li group you expect a clear run, which is only natural
you should only join on the class you are comfortable with, and with the exp needed.
if you want to wipe, you are free to join training groups
even better: every kill that becomes a mess should be gg'd and re-done. that is the true way to learn, and improve
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> @"PhObLife.8370" said:
> To get back into the topic and discussion: What I am trying to say is that in the end it doesn't matter what build or character you play as long as you enjoy it! :)
so you wrote me a full book, to then end with the line i said "it does not matter"
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lol?
does it really matter...for open world
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> @"DonArkanio.6419" said:
> > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > @"Lord of the Fire.6870" said:
> > > > @"narcx.3570" said:
> > > > > @"Lord of the Fire.6870" said:
> > > > > > @"Yasai.3549" said:
> > > > > > Honestly Renegade is totally boring.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The spec was designed to literally never dodge to keep the crit buff, sit in Summons AoE, and just pew pew pew pew.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Other than the fact that all the summons cost a literal bomb to cast, the Profession skills also cost alot to cast.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I can see the intended gameplay too :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kalla was probably meant to be a commander sort of class, where yu poop out summons, order them to do things, and rouse them with Fervor.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What it ends up is a boring class camping a single weapon, sitting in their snug little AoEs and pew pew pew pew pew.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If not for the fact Energy system and other Legends exist, there is no reason to swap.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In fact, one reason to swap was already removed : yu can't swap to Mallyx anymore to spend excess Energy in rotation to drop Torment fields.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > who has Mallyx in their rotation ?
> > > >
> > > > Literally everyone who's playing dps renegade in raids or divinegade vs NPNG in fractals.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I wanted to bet on Dps Renegade ^^ but it as diviner you are absolute wrong https://snowcrows.com/raids/builds/revenant/renegade/alacrity/
> > > You take Shiro and Kalle because of cc . In fraktal cms its a common problem that people take Mallyx and the whole group the has too less cc then
> >
> > uh if you as rev don't take malyx, then you are doing it wrong
> >
> > i see you are one of those "shiro and kalla" only folks, cuz that is what snowcrows says.
> > amazing tho, since snowcrows are for raids, and not for fractals
> >
> > https://discretize.eu/builds/revenant/hybrid-renegade
> >
> > i think this clearly says you should run jalis + kalla.
> > you only switch out jallis for malyx if there is no pain no gain
> >
> > if you don't need stability (skorvald, mama= jalis for that sole reason alone ) or cc (forced engagement on jalis is a very good cc skill with 500 breakbar damage) then and only then can you take shiro, as last option
> >
> > i mean forced engagement + staff 5, switch to kalla, switch to sword put down soulcleave and icerazor and you are ready for a good opening burst, while still providin everything that makes renegade great
> >
> >
> > people really need to stop mixing gamemodes, and spread wrong information
> >
>
> > @"narcx.3570" said:
> > > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > > @"Lord of the Fire.6870" said:
> > > > > @"narcx.3570" said:
> > > > > > @"Lord of the Fire.6870" said:
> > > > > > > @"Yasai.3549" said:
> > > > > > > Honestly Renegade is totally boring.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The spec was designed to literally never dodge to keep the crit buff, sit in Summons AoE, and just pew pew pew pew.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Other than the fact that all the summons cost a literal bomb to cast, the Profession skills also cost alot to cast.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I can see the intended gameplay too :
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kalla was probably meant to be a commander sort of class, where yu poop out summons, order them to do things, and rouse them with Fervor.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What it ends up is a boring class camping a single weapon, sitting in their snug little AoEs and pew pew pew pew pew.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If not for the fact Energy system and other Legends exist, there is no reason to swap.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In fact, one reason to swap was already removed : yu can't swap to Mallyx anymore to spend excess Energy in rotation to drop Torment fields.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > who has Mallyx in their rotation ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Literally everyone who's playing dps renegade in raids or divinegade vs NPNG in fractals.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I wanted to bet on Dps Renegade ^^ but it as diviner you are absolute wrong https://snowcrows.com/raids/builds/revenant/renegade/alacrity/
> > > > You take Shiro and Kalle because of cc . In fraktal cms its a common problem that people take Mallyx and the whole group the has too less cc then
> > >
> > > uh if you as rev don't take malyx, then you are doing it wrong
> > >
> > > i see you are one of those "shiro and kalla" only folks, cuz that is what snowcrows says.
> > > amazing tho, since snowcrows are for raids, and not for fractals
> > >
> > > https://discretize.eu/builds/revenant/hybrid-renegade
> > >
> > > i think this clearly says you should run jalis + kalla.
> > > you only switch out jallis for malyx if there is no pain no gain
> > >
> > > if you don't need stability (skorvald, mama= jalis for that sole reason alone ) or cc (forced engagement on jalis is a very good cc skill with 500 breakbar damage) then and only then can you take shiro, as last option
> > >
> > > i mean forced engagement + staff 5, switch to kalla, switch to sword put down soulcleave and icerazor and you are ready for a good opening burst, while still providin everything that makes renegade great
> > >
> > >
> > > people really need to stop mixing gamemodes, and spread wrong information
> > >
> >
> > I died a little inside the he referred me to SHNEEEWWWCREWWWZZzzzz, lol. :bleep_bloop:
> >
> > I will say that I really like Shiro on all three 99cm bosses tho (unless it's npng)... Divinegade has enough pewpew to do like 2.5-3 of the adds on Siax to save the day if yer in a super fail pug thanks to PT and sw5's mobility. Although if I'm being honest with myself, I should prolly still be bringing dwarf on the 1st and 3rd bosses there for stab (and rotgd in bad groups), but zzzzzz...
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> I mean, that's all cool but it is nowhere near related to the design of Renegade or the Kalla's Fervor. I like the discussion but would like to stick to the subject.
> Thanks a lot!
a tl.dr version of your discussion, answered by yourself
> @"DonArkanio.6419" said:
> It doesn't have to be ineteresting for everybody.
i heard firebrand is fun, enjoy your new class
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if you only care about open world (either solo, or large metas/world bosses)
then this is the only build that matters
- has support in banners
- has cc (crowd control like stun, dazes to break defiance bars https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Defiance_bar ) in main hand mace
- has damage in offhand axe and greatsword
- increases damage of players around you with empower allies and sharing might to them
- good heal on short cooldown, that cures conditions and give +20% damage buff that lasts 6 seconds
really alot of good stuff
once you are fammiliar with that, you can slowly drop "comfortable things" for more offense, since this is not the type of build you'll want to use everywhere
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> @"Lord of the Fire.6870" said:
> > @"narcx.3570" said:
> > > @"Lord of the Fire.6870" said:
> > > > @"Yasai.3549" said:
> > > > Honestly Renegade is totally boring.
> > > >
> > > > The spec was designed to literally never dodge to keep the crit buff, sit in Summons AoE, and just pew pew pew pew.
> > > >
> > > > Other than the fact that all the summons cost a literal bomb to cast, the Profession skills also cost alot to cast.
> > > >
> > > > I can see the intended gameplay too :
> > > >
> > > > Kalla was probably meant to be a commander sort of class, where yu poop out summons, order them to do things, and rouse them with Fervor.
> > > >
> > > > What it ends up is a boring class camping a single weapon, sitting in their snug little AoEs and pew pew pew pew pew.
> > > >
> > > > If not for the fact Energy system and other Legends exist, there is no reason to swap.
> > > >
> > > > In fact, one reason to swap was already removed : yu can't swap to Mallyx anymore to spend excess Energy in rotation to drop Torment fields.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > who has Mallyx in their rotation ?
> >
> > Literally everyone who's playing dps renegade in raids or divinegade vs NPNG in fractals.
> >
>
> I wanted to bet on Dps Renegade ^^ but it as diviner you are absolute wrong https://snowcrows.com/raids/builds/revenant/renegade/alacrity/
> You take Shiro and Kalle because of cc . In fraktal cms its a common problem that people take Mallyx and the whole group the has too less cc then
uh if you as rev don't take malyx, then you are doing it wrong
i see you are one of those "shiro and kalla" only folks, cuz that is what snowcrows says.
amazing tho, since snowcrows are for raids, and not for fractals
https://discretize.eu/builds/revenant/hybrid-renegade
i think this clearly says you should run jalis + kalla.
you only switch out jallis for malyx if there is no pain no gain
if you don't need stability (skorvald, mama= jalis for that sole reason alone ) or cc (forced engagement on jalis is a very good cc skill with 500 breakbar damage) then and only then can you take shiro, as last option
i mean forced engagement + staff 5, switch to kalla, switch to sword put down soulcleave and icerazor and you are ready for a good opening burst, while still providin everything that makes renegade great
people really need to stop mixing gamemodes, and spread wrong information
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3-4-2-f1-2-5-2
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"why do they not bunker on the spot i positioned myself on, and decide to remain on"
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> @"Lan Deathrider.5910" said:
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> A good generic PvE combo is Fierce Blow -> Backbreaker -> Staggering Blow -> Earthshaker.
why da hell would you open with fierce blow???
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> @"Lord of the Fire.6870" said:
> > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > @"Lord of the Fire.6870" said:
> > > > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > > > @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> > > > > > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> > > > > > > > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > everyone asks for fb healer because they are clueless (they copy what someone else once asked)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > power quickbrand is the superior choice over healbrand
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > power quickbrand is essentially a 4th dps (2 pdps+bs) that you bring, while still having the classic fb utilities (if needed)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > divineren has laughable dmg, better to make that the healer as kalla elite (soulcleave) scale crazy good with healing power. 657 heal per attack????? why yes pls
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > what about the time when Kalla elite is not available? Do you have some magic which allows you to channel Kalla the entire time? Please share.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > i mean... you give up so much offense by going healbrand compared to quickbrand.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > quickbrand has good burst, which is crucial for fractals/phases and good sustained dps
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean... you give up so much utility by going heal renegade compared to support renegade.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Support Renegeade has access to boon removal, stability, a weaker Kalla and great cc for all those times where you want a smooth run.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > See what I did there?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If you play heal renegade then you can use kalla heal before swaping for heals. Also ventari heals are not that bad either. And warrior can boonstrip like it used to do before.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If you are running ventari you are not running:
> > > > > > > > > > > - dwarv for stability
> > > > > > > > > > > - mallyx for boon removal
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If you are not running ventari, you have gaps in your healing coverage.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > As mentioned earlier, Healfirebrand gives up damage for more utility (and only damage). Heal renegade gives up utility for healing.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If warrior boonstrips, he does way less damage.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > warrior can boonstrip without losing damage tho lol
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > put a superior sigil of absorbtion on a mace, and there you go you can now boonstrip as core/zerker war
> > > > > > > > > > you give up literally nothing
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Why would I ever use mace on my Berserker warrior?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > since you only use it at start (when no pain no gain triggers) and then camp axe like every other capable zerker?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No Pain, No gain triggers every 20 seconds. If I'm phasing things faster than 20 seconds, why am I bringing a healer?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > @"Cyninja.2954" said:
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> > > > > > > This is not about no healer compositions. This is about healer compositions and which is most convenient.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > because i have to follow your rules.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > is it about healer comps, or not.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, this thread is about healer comps and which is the most friendly for people who rely on a healer.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you want to talk no healer comps, do so in your own thread. The moment you do not phase things in 20 seconds (which is very likely if people rely on a healer) warriors loses a lot of dps if he has to switch to maces mid fight. That is on top of all the other drawbacks to renegade heal versus fb heal.
> > > >
> > > > so you force the fb into heal whon ormally has dps equal, or above bs to have a diviner renegade who can't even push 10k most of the times
> > > >
> > > > glad i'm in charge of my groups then
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > fb alone can stack 1.20 min quickness, there is noit even a reason to play fb just swap dh
> > > > the group was slowed down because of the kitten dps renegade has (nearly half of warrior) sadly, the alacrity is needed. if not for alacrity, renegade has no spot in such comps
> > > > good groups know the value of prestacking, and precasting.
> > > > precasting banners, removing banners taking more useful utilities yes pls
> > > > if you take 20+ seconds to phase, then something is badly wrong
> > > >
> > >
> > > Sry I thought about it 2 days what I could say about it you guys do alot of thing which nearly all goes back to be able to reset you skills. This has nothing to do what people understand as normal gameplay. You didn't need a healer because the boss wasn't able to do much dmg in such a short time and the main dmg phases didn't even trigger.In fact if I would do something like this in another MMO the admins mouse would hover over the ban button right now. This is not new people complaining about the abusive character of skill reset since the introduced it into fractals with GG.
> > >
> > > I believe what Arena.NET doesn't understand is bosses in fractals have less HP point then the ones in raids but in fractals you also have fractals potions and fractal titles enabling people with to overstack through skill reset is just the one point too much which you have proven. I also say you guys know your classes and mechanic otherwise this couldn't work but its not the same pressure 99% of the other groups go through when doing 99cm.
> > >
> > > Basically you took a challenge mode and turned it into a joke
> >
> > no GG was used tho, as could be seen
> >
> > precasting of banners/traps, then resetting cooldowns with mistlock as is intended by anet, then free to swap builds/utilities as banners last 60 seconds anyway
> >
> > a simple fix would be: when you remove a utility from your bar, it also gets removed from play. untill that happrns, this is what you will see
> >
> > not like challenge mode, is challenging to start with.
> > the real challenge is speedclears
>
> I said that because skill reset were initial a part of GG they moved it then to the mistlock after the mentioned complains about it. A simple fix would be turn GG off and reset the skills when all player dies.
infact dps could be alor faster if what you said happened. imagine the weaver casting fgs, then everyone gg's and repeat untill everyone has a fgs.
5 precasted fgs on top of the innitial burst, a bit overkill but sure fun.
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> @"Lord of the Fire.6870" said:
> > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> > > > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > >
> > > > > @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> > > > > > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > > > > > @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> > > > > > > > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > everyone asks for fb healer because they are clueless (they copy what someone else once asked)
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > power quickbrand is the superior choice over healbrand
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > power quickbrand is essentially a 4th dps (2 pdps+bs) that you bring, while still having the classic fb utilities (if needed)
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > divineren has laughable dmg, better to make that the healer as kalla elite (soulcleave) scale crazy good with healing power. 657 heal per attack????? why yes pls
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > what about the time when Kalla elite is not available? Do you have some magic which allows you to channel Kalla the entire time? Please share.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > i mean... you give up so much offense by going healbrand compared to quickbrand.
> > > > > > > > > > > > quickbrand has good burst, which is crucial for fractals/phases and good sustained dps
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I mean... you give up so much utility by going heal renegade compared to support renegade.
> > > > > > > > > > > Support Renegeade has access to boon removal, stability, a weaker Kalla and great cc for all those times where you want a smooth run.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > See what I did there?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If you play heal renegade then you can use kalla heal before swaping for heals. Also ventari heals are not that bad either. And warrior can boonstrip like it used to do before.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If you are running ventari you are not running:
> > > > > > > > > - dwarv for stability
> > > > > > > > > - mallyx for boon removal
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If you are not running ventari, you have gaps in your healing coverage.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > As mentioned earlier, Healfirebrand gives up damage for more utility (and only damage). Heal renegade gives up utility for healing.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If warrior boonstrips, he does way less damage.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > warrior can boonstrip without losing damage tho lol
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > put a superior sigil of absorbtion on a mace, and there you go you can now boonstrip as core/zerker war
> > > > > > > > you give up literally nothing
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why would I ever use mace on my Berserker warrior?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > since you only use it at start (when no pain no gain triggers) and then camp axe like every other capable zerker?
> > > > >
> > > > > No Pain, No gain triggers every 20 seconds. If I'm phasing things faster than 20 seconds, why am I bringing a healer?
> > > >
> > > > > @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > This is not about no healer compositions. This is about healer compositions and which is most convenient.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > because i have to follow your rules.
> > > >
> > > > is it about healer comps, or not.
> > >
> > > Yes, this thread is about healer comps and which is the most friendly for people who rely on a healer.
> > >
> > > If you want to talk no healer comps, do so in your own thread. The moment you do not phase things in 20 seconds (which is very likely if people rely on a healer) warriors loses a lot of dps if he has to switch to maces mid fight. That is on top of all the other drawbacks to renegade heal versus fb heal.
> >
> > so you force the fb into heal whon ormally has dps equal, or above bs to have a diviner renegade who can't even push 10k most of the times
> >
> > glad i'm in charge of my groups then
> >
> >
> > fb alone can stack 1.20 min quickness, there is noit even a reason to play fb just swap dh
> > the group was slowed down because of the kitten dps renegade has (nearly half of warrior) sadly, the alacrity is needed. if not for alacrity, renegade has no spot in such comps
> > good groups know the value of prestacking, and precasting.
> > precasting banners, removing banners taking more useful utilities yes pls
> > if you take 20+ seconds to phase, then something is badly wrong
> >
>
> Sry I thought about it 2 days what I could say about it you guys do alot of thing which nearly all goes back to be able to reset you skills. This has nothing to do what people understand as normal gameplay. You didn't need a healer because the boss wasn't able to do much dmg in such a short time and the main dmg phases didn't even trigger.In fact if I would do something like this in another MMO the admins mouse would hover over the ban button right now. This is not new people complaining about the abusive character of skill reset since the introduced it into fractals with GG.
>
> I believe what Arena.NET doesn't understand is bosses in fractals have less HP point then the ones in raids but in fractals you also have fractals potions and fractal titles enabling people with to overstack through skill reset is just the one point too much which you have proven. I also say you guys know your classes and mechanic otherwise this couldn't work but its not the same pressure 99% of the other groups go through when doing 99cm.
>
> Basically you took a challenge mode and turned it into a joke
no GG was used tho, as could be seen
precasting of banners/traps, then resetting cooldowns with mistlock as is intended by anet, then free to swap builds/utilities as banners last 60 seconds anyway
a simple fix would be: when you remove a utility from your bar, it also gets removed from play. untill that happrns, this is what you will see
not like challenge mode, is challenging to start with.
the real challenge is speedclears
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> @"Blood Red Arachnid.2493" said:
> If you have blatant bias and are just trying to "win" an argument, we're going to notice. We're not stupid. The following line proves it.
>
> > @"melandru.3876" said:
> >
> > also, the bench (snowcrows) uses diviner trinkets (3 of them) which are in fractals not needed due to potion convertion, again increasing fb actual dps not reflected in the benchmark
>
> The really big detail that you're leaving out here is that this is also true for alacrigade. Standing with no buffs, a full diviner Alacrigade sits at 88.9% boon duration, which earns about one second of spare time between Orders From Above and when alacrity falls out. However, inside of fractals and using potions, you can swap out the entire diviner armor set for berserker armor, getting 79.53% boon duration. This duration is enough so that alacrity ends out just as Orders From Above comes of cooldown.
>
> This, among many other factors, is why Alacrigade is also nebulously "way higher than 23k". Now, the idea of "what is true for thee may be true for me" is not some secret doctoral-level philosophy. It's common sense. Any reasonable person should've taken it into consideration that, if the fractal potions let you swap out pieces on Firebrand, it would also let you swap out pieces on Renegade. So, the only conclusion I can come to is that _you're not reasonable._ You're drumming up whatever you can, regardless of any practicality or truth to what you say, because you're goal here isn't to figure out which one is better.
lol
the only difference is: an alacnade actually needs the boon duration to upkeep alacrity. fb can go full zerk and still keep quickness up
but by all means, educate me!
https://discretize.eu/builds/guardian/hybrid-firebrand
vs
https://discretize.eu/builds/revenant/hybrid-renegade
it seems you theorycraft (and test) better than actual dedicated speedclear guild?, because by the looks of it..you do require near full diviner (1 humble zerker piece on alacnade lol? ye that will sure boost dps by alot)
on skorvald you run jalis instead of shiro, so rip "dps"
on mama you run jalis instead of shiro, so rip "dps"
on no pain no gain, you run malyx instead of shiro, so rip "dps"
golem test < actual scnerario
the fb golem test is not even correct, as they said so themselves : ". Epilogue Ashes of the Just should be used but is a DPS loss on the golem." the more allies, the higher the effect. but sincr the test was done alone, it wasn't used. small detail, still valid
but what would you know right, i now remember you. you are the guy that claimed herald was amongst the best dps because it could grt numbers by only autoattacking compared to dedicated dps classes that require a rotation
it all makes sense now, then you call me biased...riight
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> @"Blood Red Arachnid.2493" said:
> I just checked snowcrows.
>
> [Power Quickbrand:](https://snowcrows.com/raids/builds/guardian/firebrand/power%20quickness/ "https://snowcrows.com/raids/builds/guardian/firebrand/power%20quickness/") 23.2k DPS
> [Alacrity Renegade:](https://snowcrows.com/raids/builds/revenant/renegade/alacrity/ "Alacrity Renegade: ") 23k DPS
>
> The numbers for the heal sets isn't listed. Unless there's some drastic new change that hasn't been taken into account, then the two comps are going to be very similar in DPS, no matter which one you take as the healer.
burst > sustained damage. only first few numbers matter. any dps build can have 20k+ dps by just autoattacking if you want to have it that way
yet only weaver, power soulbeast and dragonhunter are taken because of their insane first numbers. with burst i mean 70k+ dps
big advantage of fb, he can swap dh precast traps, swap fb and have some nice extra damage
what you also have to take into account. dh and fb benefit from symbols, in an actual scenario fb will provide symbols for dh and vice versa, which is not reflected in a dummy test
the actual fb dps is way higher then 23k
also, the bench (snowcrows) uses diviner trinkets (3 of them) which are in fractals not needed due to potion convertion, again increasing fb actual dps not reflected in the benchmark
same with runes,scholar runes are a dps increase over thief runes in fractals due to potion convertion, the extra precision from thief runes are not needed. and getting 100% flanking in fractals is nearly impossible
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> @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> > > > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > >
> > > > > @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> > > > > > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > > > > > @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> > > > > > > > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > everyone asks for fb healer because they are clueless (they copy what someone else once asked)
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > power quickbrand is the superior choice over healbrand
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > power quickbrand is essentially a 4th dps (2 pdps+bs) that you bring, while still having the classic fb utilities (if needed)
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > divineren has laughable dmg, better to make that the healer as kalla elite (soulcleave) scale crazy good with healing power. 657 heal per attack????? why yes pls
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > what about the time when Kalla elite is not available? Do you have some magic which allows you to channel Kalla the entire time? Please share.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > i mean... you give up so much offense by going healbrand compared to quickbrand.
> > > > > > > > > > > > quickbrand has good burst, which is crucial for fractals/phases and good sustained dps
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I mean... you give up so much utility by going heal renegade compared to support renegade.
> > > > > > > > > > > Support Renegeade has access to boon removal, stability, a weaker Kalla and great cc for all those times where you want a smooth run.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > See what I did there?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If you play heal renegade then you can use kalla heal before swaping for heals. Also ventari heals are not that bad either. And warrior can boonstrip like it used to do before.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If you are running ventari you are not running:
> > > > > > > > > - dwarv for stability
> > > > > > > > > - mallyx for boon removal
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If you are not running ventari, you have gaps in your healing coverage.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > As mentioned earlier, Healfirebrand gives up damage for more utility (and only damage). Heal renegade gives up utility for healing.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If warrior boonstrips, he does way less damage.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > warrior can boonstrip without losing damage tho lol
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > put a superior sigil of absorbtion on a mace, and there you go you can now boonstrip as core/zerker war
> > > > > > > > you give up literally nothing
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why would I ever use mace on my Berserker warrior?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > since you only use it at start (when no pain no gain triggers) and then camp axe like every other capable zerker?
> > > > >
> > > > > No Pain, No gain triggers every 20 seconds. If I'm phasing things faster than 20 seconds, why am I bringing a healer?
> > > >
> > > > > @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > This is not about no healer compositions. This is about healer compositions and which is most convenient.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > because i have to follow your rules.
> > > >
> > > > is it about healer comps, or not.
> > >
> > > Yes, this thread is about healer comps and which is the most friendly for people who rely on a healer.
> > >
> > > If you want to talk no healer comps, do so in your own thread. The moment you do not phase things in 20 seconds (which is very likely if people rely on a healer) warriors loses a lot of dps if he has to switch to maces mid fight. That is on top of all the other drawbacks to renegade heal versus fb heal.
> >
> > so you force the fb into heal whon ormally has dps equal, or above bs to have a diviner renegade who can't even push 10k most of the times
> >
> > glad i'm in charge of my groups then
> >
> >
>
> Strong comeback there. Did not invalidate anything of what I said as far as utility and groups which require healer goes. You are free to build however you want, most PUG groups go with heal Firebrand or no healer at all.
>
> EDIT:
> > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > if you take 20+ seconds to phase, then something is badly wrong
> >
>
> You seem to have a very hard concept to understand groups which need healers. No, not every group phases fights in 20 seconds. Those who do and still use a healer are doing it wrong or playing it super safe.
>
> I'm not going to base my recommendations on personal preconceptions of how much damage I expect people to do because I know many players will do less. I base my recommendations on which composition offers the best benefit and utility versus damage output. I believe I have explained this well enough so far.
i'm not saying you are wrong, because you aren't. i just despise the explanation to justify it
stuff like heal scourges (and heal fb's) only exist because some people do not deserve to be in t4/cm's and they get carried hard by it
put in weight, or we drop some weight (if you know what i mean)
end-game content is hard and not for everyone
https://dps.report/rcvZ-20190722-221009_siax
99cm, second boss. pug run. it's clear that this renegade is absolutly clueless. if it wasn't for the renegade (that took 20k+ damage) this group would not need a healer.
so we forced a fb into healing, for a diviner renegade who can't even make 5k dps.
i think this illustrates my pov nice, and why i prefer fb as dps, rather then heal.
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> @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> > @"melandru.3876" said:
> >
> > > @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> > > > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > > > @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> > > > > > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > > > > > @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> > > > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > > > > > > > > everyone asks for fb healer because they are clueless (they copy what someone else once asked)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > power quickbrand is the superior choice over healbrand
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > power quickbrand is essentially a 4th dps (2 pdps+bs) that you bring, while still having the classic fb utilities (if needed)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > divineren has laughable dmg, better to make that the healer as kalla elite (soulcleave) scale crazy good with healing power. 657 heal per attack????? why yes pls
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > what about the time when Kalla elite is not available? Do you have some magic which allows you to channel Kalla the entire time? Please share.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > > > > > > > > i mean... you give up so much offense by going healbrand compared to quickbrand.
> > > > > > > > > > quickbrand has good burst, which is crucial for fractals/phases and good sustained dps
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I mean... you give up so much utility by going heal renegade compared to support renegade.
> > > > > > > > > Support Renegeade has access to boon removal, stability, a weaker Kalla and great cc for all those times where you want a smooth run.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > See what I did there?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you play heal renegade then you can use kalla heal before swaping for heals. Also ventari heals are not that bad either. And warrior can boonstrip like it used to do before.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you are running ventari you are not running:
> > > > > > > - dwarv for stability
> > > > > > > - mallyx for boon removal
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you are not running ventari, you have gaps in your healing coverage.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As mentioned earlier, Healfirebrand gives up damage for more utility (and only damage). Heal renegade gives up utility for healing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If warrior boonstrips, he does way less damage.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > warrior can boonstrip without losing damage tho lol
> > > > > >
> > > > > > put a superior sigil of absorbtion on a mace, and there you go you can now boonstrip as core/zerker war
> > > > > > you give up literally nothing
> > > > >
> > > > > Why would I ever use mace on my Berserker warrior?
> > > >
> > > > since you only use it at start (when no pain no gain triggers) and then camp axe like every other capable zerker?
> > >
> > > No Pain, No gain triggers every 20 seconds. If I'm phasing things faster than 20 seconds, why am I bringing a healer?
> >
> > > @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> >
> >
> > > This is not about no healer compositions. This is about healer compositions and which is most convenient.
> >
> >
> > because i have to follow your rules.
> >
> > is it about healer comps, or not.
>
> Yes, this thread is about healer comps and which is the most friendly for people who rely on a healer.
>
> If you want to talk no healer comps, do so in your own thread. The moment you do not phase things in 20 seconds (which is very likely if people rely on a healer) warriors loses a lot of dps if he has to switch to maces mid fight. That is on top of all the other drawbacks to renegade heal versus fb heal.
so you force the fb into heal whon ormally has dps equal, or above bs to have a diviner renegade who can't even push 10k most of the times
glad i'm in charge of my groups then
fb alone can stack 1.20 min quickness, there is noit even a reason to play fb just swap dh
the group was slowed down because of the shitty dps renegade has (nearly half of warrior) sadly, the alacrity is needed. if not for alacrity, renegade has no spot in such comps
good groups know the value of prestacking, and precasting.
precasting banners, removing banners taking more useful utilities yes pls
if you take 20+ seconds to phase, then something is badly wrong
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> @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> > > > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > > > @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> > > > > > > > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > > > > > > everyone asks for fb healer because they are clueless (they copy what someone else once asked)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > power quickbrand is the superior choice over healbrand
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > power quickbrand is essentially a 4th dps (2 pdps+bs) that you bring, while still having the classic fb utilities (if needed)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > divineren has laughable dmg, better to make that the healer as kalla elite (soulcleave) scale crazy good with healing power. 657 heal per attack????? why yes pls
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > what about the time when Kalla elite is not available? Do you have some magic which allows you to channel Kalla the entire time? Please share.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > > > > > > i mean... you give up so much offense by going healbrand compared to quickbrand.
> > > > > > > > quickbrand has good burst, which is crucial for fractals/phases and good sustained dps
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I mean... you give up so much utility by going heal renegade compared to support renegade.
> > > > > > > Support Renegeade has access to boon removal, stability, a weaker Kalla and great cc for all those times where you want a smooth run.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > See what I did there?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you play heal renegade then you can use kalla heal before swaping for heals. Also ventari heals are not that bad either. And warrior can boonstrip like it used to do before.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you are running ventari you are not running:
> > > > > - dwarv for stability
> > > > > - mallyx for boon removal
> > > > >
> > > > > If you are not running ventari, you have gaps in your healing coverage.
> > > > >
> > > > > As mentioned earlier, Healfirebrand gives up damage for more utility (and only damage). Heal renegade gives up utility for healing.
> > > > >
> > > > > If warrior boonstrips, he does way less damage.
> > > >
> > > > warrior can boonstrip without losing damage tho lol
> > > >
> > > > put a superior sigil of absorbtion on a mace, and there you go you can now boonstrip as core/zerker war
> > > > you give up literally nothing
> > >
> > > Why would I ever use mace on my Berserker warrior?
> >
> > since you only use it at start (when no pain no gain triggers) and then camp axe like every other capable zerker?
>
> No Pain, No gain triggers every 20 seconds. If I'm phasing things faster than 20 seconds, why am I bringing a healer?
> @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> This is not about no healer compositions. This is about healer compositions and which is most convenient.
because i have to follow your rules.
is it about healer comps, or not.
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> @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> > > > > > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > > > > everyone asks for fb healer because they are clueless (they copy what someone else once asked)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > power quickbrand is the superior choice over healbrand
> > > > > >
> > > > > > power quickbrand is essentially a 4th dps (2 pdps+bs) that you bring, while still having the classic fb utilities (if needed)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > divineren has laughable dmg, better to make that the healer as kalla elite (soulcleave) scale crazy good with healing power. 657 heal per attack????? why yes pls
> > > > >
> > > > > what about the time when Kalla elite is not available? Do you have some magic which allows you to channel Kalla the entire time? Please share.
> > > > >
> > > > > > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > > > > i mean... you give up so much offense by going healbrand compared to quickbrand.
> > > > > > quickbrand has good burst, which is crucial for fractals/phases and good sustained dps
> > > > >
> > > > > I mean... you give up so much utility by going heal renegade compared to support renegade.
> > > > > Support Renegeade has access to boon removal, stability, a weaker Kalla and great cc for all those times where you want a smooth run.
> > > > >
> > > > > See what I did there?
> > > >
> > > > If you play heal renegade then you can use kalla heal before swaping for heals. Also ventari heals are not that bad either. And warrior can boonstrip like it used to do before.
> > >
> > > If you are running ventari you are not running:
> > > - dwarv for stability
> > > - mallyx for boon removal
> > >
> > > If you are not running ventari, you have gaps in your healing coverage.
> > >
> > > As mentioned earlier, Healfirebrand gives up damage for more utility (and only damage). Heal renegade gives up utility for healing.
> > >
> > > If warrior boonstrips, he does way less damage.
> >
> > warrior can boonstrip without losing damage tho lol
> >
> > put a superior sigil of absorbtion on a mace, and there you go you can now boonstrip as core/zerker war
> > you give up literally nothing
>
> Why would I ever use mace on my Berserker warrior?
since you only use it at start (when no pain no gain triggers) and then camp axe like every other capable zerker?
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> @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > @"Cyninja.2954" said:
> > > > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > > everyone asks for fb healer because they are clueless (they copy what someone else once asked)
> > > >
> > > > power quickbrand is the superior choice over healbrand
> > > >
> > > > power quickbrand is essentially a 4th dps (2 pdps+bs) that you bring, while still having the classic fb utilities (if needed)
> > > >
> > > > divineren has laughable dmg, better to make that the healer as kalla elite (soulcleave) scale crazy good with healing power. 657 heal per attack????? why yes pls
> > >
> > > what about the time when Kalla elite is not available? Do you have some magic which allows you to channel Kalla the entire time? Please share.
> > >
> > > > @"melandru.3876" said:
> > > > i mean... you give up so much offense by going healbrand compared to quickbrand.
> > > > quickbrand has good burst, which is crucial for fractals/phases and good sustained dps
> > >
> > > I mean... you give up so much utility by going heal renegade compared to support renegade.
> > > Support Renegeade has access to boon removal, stability, a weaker Kalla and great cc for all those times where you want a smooth run.
> > >
> > > See what I did there?
> >
> > If you play heal renegade then you can use kalla heal before swaping for heals. Also ventari heals are not that bad either. And warrior can boonstrip like it used to do before.
>
> If you are running ventari you are not running:
> - dwarv for stability
> - mallyx for boon removal
>
> If you are not running ventari, you have gaps in your healing coverage.
>
> As mentioned earlier, Healfirebrand gives up damage for more utility (and only damage). Heal renegade gives up utility for healing.
>
> If warrior boonstrips, he does way less damage.
warrior can boonstrip without losing damage tho lol
put a superior sigil of absorbtion on a mace, and there you go you can now boonstrip as core/zerker war
you give up literally nothing
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how about we push it even further??
like the crown pavillion queens gauntlet. we get to chose our penalties (instabilities now) for increased rewards
bad teams can take easy ones and be happy, good teams can put some challenges on themselves (increasing max amount of instabilities allowed so you can have like 5-6 of them)
rewards scale with instabilities used
everyone happy both casual and elite
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aslong as you don't listen to the "you can tank without toughness" advice
it's fun, seeing the tank fail because there is a fb either support or condi dps
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Imbued_Haste
soulbeasts also get increased basic attributes, which includes toughness, when merged
so yes as a tank, you do NEED toughness depening on comps
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everyone asks for fb healer because they are clueless (they copy what someone else once asked)
power quickbrand is the superior choice over healbrand
power quickbrand is essentially a 4th dps (2 pdps+bs) that you bring, while still having the classic fb utilities (if needed)
divineren has laughable dmg, better to make that the healer as kalla elite (soulcleave) scale crazy good with healing power. 657 heal per attack????? why yes pls
i mean... you give up so much offense by going healbrand compared to quickbrand.
quickbrand has good burst, which is crucial for fractals/phases and good sustained dps
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then you better run around butt naked, because those fancy clothes you are wearing, guess where they are made and in what conditions