Yoci.2481

> @"Salt Mode.3780" said: > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > > Not just that, wvw covers cmirage faults. > > Trailblazer to cover for low protection and no toughness that pvp mesmer gets. > > Energy sigil and energy food to cover for 1 dodge and nerfed vigor uptimes. > > And tormenting runes for healing to cover the fact that mirage has one of the worst healings in the game. > > Actually no energy sigil over caps the endurance bar so no it doesn't cover it, dodge recharge bar is still 8 seconds even with vigor and energy food. > Torment runes are neglectable in terms of heal because now you only have one dodge you either dodge for dmg or you dodge to avoid dmg there is no doing both. > The only thing that is correct is yes trailblazer covers the defensive part of it. Other then that condi mirage in WvW is ignorable and avoidable. > Fact that our dodge bar requires 8 seconds to recharge while weapon swap is 10 seconds and sigil of cleansing is 3 condi remove (torment, burn, confusion) condi mirage does no damage. > That is unless you decide to 1 v 1 a condi mirage then yea maybe it could beat you after 20+ min of fighting. It is true that most builds can ignore a condi mirage as condi Mirage has little chase potential and low burst. A solo roamer that fights for an objective like a camp doesn't have that option, though. Many builds have a hard time against such a condi Mirage, especially in competent hands. It can be pretty oppressive in those cases. And that are the moments most people think about when they hear calls for giving Mirage the second dodge back.

Condi Mirage can be very annoying in WvW but that is mostly because of dire and trailblazer stats that give extreme survivability while having almost maximum condition damage. The condition damage itself isn't the issue, but the strong defense combined with stealth and detargets make it unfun to play against.

GS 3 teleport.

When comparing these we have to keep in mind the difference between PvP and WvW. PvP is a bit more balanced. In WvW Mesmer has to deal with a lot of OP cute little kittens that just don't exist in PvP, while WvW Mesmer itself is pretty close to PvP Mesmer.

Well okay but they are not going to nerf 8 classes down to the level of Mesmer. So either we get a big boost or we stay bottom of the barrel forever.

Wow cool, I will watch it when I have the time. You are doing a lot for the community! :)

The I Dont Want To Die GS Power Chrono: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?Pi0AEx/lVwuYYsEGKeOT7NXA-zRIYRU/XKhVAZGCdGBtmAqdACYH8O0nB-e Chaos/Inspiration/Chrono Surprisingly effective against some builds. Lots of quickness and superspeeding clones. Wear down your enemies. Can still almost one shot certain glass builds. Get out of dangerous situations easy peasy. Now _you _ can troll the thief! At least until they get used to your build. Arcane Thievery is optional, use whatever you want. Mirror Images, Decoy or Mimic are good alternatives.

Thank you for working hard on this. I cry a lot about Mesmer needing help but other than that you are doing a good job on a great game. :)

GS 3 teleport. :)

What if it worked like this: Your clones aren't invulnerable and can be targeted and killed, but they will immediatly respawn until you shatter them, or if you get out of combat. That way we have a resource mechanic that can't be messed with, just like other classes.

I don't think clones should be invulnerable, but they should be harder to kill in blob fights. Or perhaps bring back that old trait that makes clones do damage when they are killed.

Imagine if Guardian skills just didn't go off and went on full cool down near an enemy blob.

The funny thing is while almost every Mesmer build (especially power) got nuked to ashes the annoying trailblazer staff condi Mirage that is oppressive and very annoying to play against 1v1 still works rather well, even though it was the thing that ultimately caused this 3 year period of Mesmer nerfs.

They haven't even addressed the most basic problems of Mesmer and you people talk about the next elite. I don't understand this.

Removing distortion from F4 but getting back the second dodge sounds like an acceptable trade to me, but not in a vacuum. Mesmer in general has problems that need to be addressed.