lLobo.7960

> @"Jski.6180" said: > The anasers are one in the same if a weaver swaps its main atument it loses the effect of that trait line witch is a massive dmg lost or healing lost meaning them staying in doable atument is more effective for there 5 big hits like core and tempest. The reward is massive for weaver to stay in doable atuments most of the time only jumping out of it just to reapply the dmg buff. That would be true if it was not for dual attunement. That is why DPS sword weaver goes int water/fire to use the dual skills, charge fire grab and swap into air/air (with fresh air) or air/water right before the skill lands to increase the crit dmg (with fresh air and air traits). As soon as the Power dps weaver is in a single attunement it needs to swap again otherwise will loose its dps buff. That is why fire condi weaver can (and have to) rotate attunements to keep his condi buffs instead of camping fire like fire condi tempest does (and has done so since it was condi meta in the early HOT raids). But the fire condi weaver can rotate attunements without ever being completely out of fire. When it goes in Air, it doesnt use the air skills, it uses the offhand fire skills and dual attack (if the player knows what is doing), then it goes back into fire and doesnt use the air offhand skills, unless it needs the CC. The next rotation it doesnt go into air again, but earth, And not for the earth skills, but just to keep the attunement rotation for buffs, again it will use the dual skill and the offhand fire skills... Weaver is about quickly rotating attunements. Tempest is about prolonging them.

> @"Jski.6180" said: > I think weaver rewards you more for staying in an atument then say tempest as you get more dmg for going doable atument meaning you have to stay in that atument longer then an tempest when waiting for overloads (sadly the overload it self is not a ture reward for staying in that atument just an added effect.) The buff to dmg for dual attuning (and the buff to condi dmg for different attunement) are very short. If you stay on that attunement you quickly loose the buff and it will take 2 attunement swaps to recover it (swap to new attunement, swap to double attunement). So to keep the buff you need to swap attunement constantly, to have 100% uptime, you pretty much have to swap as soon as possible. 0s - dual attuned (fire/fire), bonus triggered, 4s to change attunement, 4s - swap to new atunnment (air/fire), 4s to change again, 8s - swap to dual attune (air/air) refreshing the bonus. You need to use 2 attunments to pull this out, as trying to get back to the same single attunement you started would take another 4s. This can be improved a bit with Arcane trailine and alacrity. So yea, Weaver rewards fast and constant attunement swap. Tempest meanwhile, needs to stay in that attunement at least 6 secs to get the overload, and then its locked out of that attunment for a long time, so if you are specializing in something you mostly "camp" that attunement... Fire tempest (fire/arcane/tempest, or fire/earth/tempest for solo open world) camps fire all the time... Fresh air tempest only swaps attunement to bypass the longer overload CD, but it mostly "camps" air... Healing tempest mostly "camps" water, with the odd dip out for auras or other buffs... > @"Jski.6180" said: > Core ele is the only version of ele that was true 2-3 atuments only though trait lines. Weaver and tempest both get use of the other atuments skill due to there added effects. Core ele got every thing from its trait line and trait lines alone. Well... all ele specs have 4 attunements, but core ele is the only one that can (in theory) improve 3 of them... semantics really... The issue is, there isn't much of a reason to do so (most game modes push you to specialize), and there isn't much a way to do so well enough. If you want to do dmg, you'll go fire/air/X. X could be an elite spec (fresh air tempest, dps weaver). Core could be fire/air/arcane, or fire/air/water, but those are very inferior to the other options, mostly due to the power of overloads, dual skills, and the dps bonuses of e-spec traitlines. For core ele to shine due to its ability to slot 3 elemental traitlines, those traitlines need to have a lot more synergy.

Tempest rewards you for staying in attunements longer, weaver rewards you for constantly swapping attunements and combining them. A spec with only two attunements is really... meh. Id rather see an elite spec that change how the attunements give you new skills (so skills are fixed per weapon) and gives you weapon swap. This was the suggesntion here: https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/76602/new-elite-spec-disciple-weapon-swap-and-longbow > @"lLobo.7960" said: > The disciple is an elementalist that focus more on martial prowess than raw magic channeling. > Focusing on martial expertise and physical prowess, the disciple can swap weapons in combat but looses the ability to have different and unique skills in each attunment and magical attacks. > Instead, the disciple uses the elemental magic of attunements to boost its attacks and defenses and uses its weapons in martial combat instead of conduits to magic. To compensate the lack of long range magic attacks, the disciple uses a longbow to deliver his attacks from distance and physical skills to be mobile and effective in combat. > > **New weapon:** longbow > **New utility skills:** physical skills > TL/DR: Martial focus elementalist with long range dps as longbow, weapon swap instead of individual attunement skills, mobility, new conditions (torment and poison), and even stealth with combos. Instead of one weapon with 20 new skills, gains one weapon with 5 new skills and new skills for each old weapon (staff 5, scepter 3, dagger 5, focus 2). Staff and dagger become melee versions, scepter becomes akin to mace and focus akin to shield.