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**GW2 WvWvW:** 

@"diamondgirl.6315" said: >@"XenesisII.1540" said: >BG will hit 3rd because they want to keep SoS with them, about the only server these days that doesn't mind hanging out with them. >While I am kind of charmed by the idea of being frenemies with a great server (you are only really as good as your rivals, and wvw is pointless without great rivals), I really would like other servers to come mix it up with us. Mag, JQ, whoever wants to come up and start smashing BG's toys with us, I think stiffer (gigglegiggle) competition will only help absolutely all of us have more fun in the mode. Including BG. Exactly...Ignoring all the trash talk the fact is we all need rival servers for fights. Some of the best times in WvWvW were the BlackGate, Jade Quarry and Sanctum of Rall matchups years ago. Let's all have a bit more sportsmanship and server pride like the good old days. Enjoy the fights, bags and fun because all we've got left is each other... Found this on the old GW2 forums archive on Reddit: In any case, every death of a server has a cost: Not all of the players move on. Probably close to half of the player base simply gives up, stops playing, or moves to another game mode (e.g. duel based roaming). This is a big reason why the inherently instable T1 WvW could not go on forever. Everytime T1 consumed another server, the overall pool of players shrank. Together with the natural erosion over time, this has contributed to todays situation, where not enough PPT players are left to fill 3 server. There is not enough guilds in this game to create alliances out of just them. The active players of this game have been declining for years. All this update will do is make the last organised playerbase into groups; which will dominate random pugs who are learning to play the game. The fact of the matter is we have proven as a playerbase that we like to stack together in massive zergs and dominate other servers. Also If Arenanet is trying to turn GvG into an esport it's already been tried with obsidian sanctum and stronghold in pvp. Forcing everybody into massive guilds so they can ktrain together is the only result of this. https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/24889/season-1-wvw-gvg-na-tournament#latest https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/30492/best-notable-wvw-havoc-guilds-eu-and-na#latest https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/32179/why-isnt-kdr-a-bigger-part-of-the-war-score-in-wvw#latest There is a common trend among these threads which is to glorify GvGers and put down PPTers. https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/26790/wvw-restructure-will-fail-if-you-do-not-balance-defensive-power#latest Especially this thread where the OP believes removing the defence of the structures of an outnumbered force would lead to better fights. The original poster of this thread is from Magumma and like many on his server is a GvGer (Guild vs Guild). He claims that if Arenanet do not nerf defence like siege and guild upgrades on structures then the WvWvW megaserver restructuring will fail. I believe the opposite and I will go into detail why. When this restructuring of WvWvW servers takes place and the system is moved into guild based then players will be concentrated into alliances of guilds. This means that all of the GvGers will probably stack together in a massive alliance just like Magumma is currently. If Arenanet nerfs defence then not only will the PPT guilds not be able to defend properly but also they will be spawn camped and most likely quit the game. Magumma vs BlackGate is a recent example in T1 where Magumma would dominate EBG with SMC and PPK (Points Per Kill). This meant that none of the BG PUGs and militia who usually go fight all the time on EBG could not rally a force to fight the Magcloud. Magumma complained that there was nobody to fight and claimed that BlackGate had ran off to EOTM or PvE. Both servers lost because 1 server had all the GvGers and the other did not. When this WvWvW megaserver restructuring happens you can be sure that good players will stack into guilds with good players. The concentration of good players vs PUGs/roamers/militia and even new players will be even greater. This means that WvWvW will become like the old days of EOTM where GvGers would farm uplevel randoms (for their ultimate dominator title) who didn't even stand a chance to fight with a PPT pugmander. WvWvW will change from a place where roamers and militia are accepted because they scout for enemy zergs taking structures into a GvG or gtfo game mode. Many of these players do not realise that without the structures to take there are no massive fights simply because many GvGers run untagged and do not command PUGs (Pick Up Groups) how to fight with them. This will slowly demoralise anybody who is not in a massive alliance of guilds and make them quit the game mode entirely. When outnumbered players hide inside keeps with their siege they do so because that do not want to be forced to spawn where they will often be camped. Instead of fun fights these players simply want bags in any way possible to boost their KDR (Kills/Death Ratio). This can be tracked through websites like https://wvwintel.com/ by server. The statistics from this website have been used to brag in the past about winning and will probably get worse with the WvWvW megaserver restructuring. The sportsmanship in online gaming is almost non-existent and there are no real consequences for winners making fun of the losers (Example; http://www.gw2wvw.net/). In the end we all lose when players quit because they have been forced out of the game mode. New players in the past especially on BlackGate were encouraged to join TeamSpeak to learn to fight with the commanders who were in guilds. These guilds formed the frontline while the PUG players were often the backline. The commanders would literally tank the enemy zerg for the server and these were the days of true server pride and fun. A competition needs 2 fair teams so if Arenanet do not spread the guilds correctly then the whole thing will fail. It doesn't matter if they can't all stack together in a massive alliance because that is literally what has caused the problem over the years. Every fun fight needs sportmanship on each side because in the past people have pinsniped commanders from enemy zergs and suddenly instead of a fight they have a pushover for bags. Do these players want a fight or do they want their KDR/PPK boosted for bags and bragging rights?

@"X T D.6458" said: >Help me understand here...JQ tanks to avoid t1/BG, but you want to open up because? @"MaLeVoLenT.8129" said: >No one wants a link. Aandrie Youre wrong. We're tanking to avoid T1, tanking to open. Welcome to the meta imposed by 1 up 1 down. >JQ wants to open up because just like many JQ has been bleeding. JQ has been locked for 6 months, moving to a 7 month period since before the expansion. During the expansion players come back to the game and they want to play with their friends. These players have been waiting for longer than a half year in the wake of an expansion. Meanwhile during the 7 month period JQ has lost substantial coverage and guilds alike, yet we still remain locked. JQs overall ideal Tier should perhaps be Tier 1 second or 3rd place. However because of the capacity situation posted about in various threads, the only thing Tier 1 itself provides is a slow degrade to implosion and the general population avoiding the most stacked server and organized server, that can still beat every server while being half dead and bored. The same effect has been happening for ages, even to the days of my alliance and way before that. The only difference now is 1 up 1 down greatly intensifies this disaster of a WvW system. >The common response I get to this is, they why don't you xfer to a lower server population. But yet the same folk who would give me that would also cry when I do and call me a bandwagon when the same outcome happens. >TL DR JQ is trying to save its life. Just like the rest of you. Oh I feel so sorry for poor Malevolent (OnS) who backstabs his own server and tries to destroy them repeatedly by stacking to servers to break the T1 wall. Before his lack of sportsmanship and wanting a challenge drove him to create the alliance of TW and several other cross server repping guilds. Yes go ahead and stack another server like you did to TC and YB. Tanking is no problem when there is no honor to be had because nobody has any server loyalty anymore. Thanks to you and your ideas for WvWvW Arenanet listened to you and we have the rotation you wanted so much for years. Whats the matter doesn't it suit you when the game is dead years later? This is from the old forums when he used to run Blackgate as server leader. "Greetings I’m Malevolent Omen, a server leader of Blackgate and the guild leader of [OnS]Onslaught. Blackgate is seeking Oceanic, South East Asian, and European guilds to fulfill our community’s coverage during Season 2. We seek guilds and individual players who want to join the server that maintained the lead in WvW Season 1. Since I came to Blackgate, I found that Blackgate has a great community with many people willing to work together to strengthen the server to better the community. Resilient is the word to describe Blackgate, which is one of the reasons my guild chose to come to here a year ago. No matter what trials and tribulations we go through as a server, in the end we always work together and get over them. These same tribulations have made us strong. Whether it is being the world’s first Tequatl kill or our will to win Season 1, Blackgate has always put its best foot forward. Coming to Blackgate isn’t an easy win and Season 2 will be a much more competitive environment. If you are expecting easy wins here, chances are you will be disappointed. The competition is fierce and our Rival Servers want our heads on a stake. If you are interested in Blackgate, we would love to hear from you. We are looking for like-minded guilds and players that want to come compete in North American Tier 1 WvW. If you are worried about Blackgate being Full, please note that our server status changes depending on time and we have been monitoring it so we know when players are able to transfer. If you are worried about the cost to transfer to a Tier 1 server, please know that on Blackgate we help support guilds and players that are interested in our community. Join us on BEASTGATE!" Website: http://www.blackgatewvw.com South East Asia & Oceanic Contact • Death Dollie (Tenebris.9258) Europe Contact • Skugg (glorius.1235) • Smokee Gee (Smokee.1754) North America Contact • Malevolent Omen (MaLeVoLenT.8129) **Malevolent as leader of BlackGate stacked the server with the help of the community warchest.** Another post from reddit about the history of WvWvW and the 2v1 because of lack of sportsmanship. "I want to start with a disclaimer that for story purposes, the servers are presented as simplified groups, in one case in particular, the characters presented as a server are a small subset of that server's population which gave that server a bad name. There are tons of great people on BG, and very often I've had some great, enjoyable fights with them. Once upon a time, I was on Sanctum of Rall. I did not begin playing at launch, closer to around the January of the first year. I joined the server and guild of a relative who'd been playing since launch. This particular guild had a longer history of being an RvR guild, going back to Dark Age of Camelot. We had our own vent channel, we had a commander to lead guild raids in WvW, our server's standing was improving rapidly. Life was good. Soon after I started playing WvW, it became apparent that our server, SoR, was on it's way up to T1, to compete with the big boys. One week, we were fighting Storm-Bluff Isle and Tarnished Coast (whom we considered enjoyable opponents) The next week, we were up against Sea of Sorrows and standing champion Jade Quarry. Looking back, I wish we'd never hit T1. We did alright that first week in T1, placing second. That partial success seemed to change much of the attitude on the server from "We enjoy WvW" to "We are good at WvW". The server, our guild included, got much more competitive. SoS soon fell out of T1, replaced by a new opponent, Black Gate. As competition increased, tempers began to fly. No longer were our opponents other great communities with whom we had enjoyable fights. No longer was JQ the admirable champion, whom we sought to dethrone, and no longer was BG the rookie, the newcomer to greet with the same good-natured battle with which we greeted other servers. No, now this was war; the other servers were just scumbags who sucked, and we found every possible reason to call their play dishonest. BG called themselves BeastGate. Not ones to pass up the opportunity, we called them every name under the sun (BadGate, BagGate, HackGate, etc). We also took to calling JQ "JQQ". I don't know whether or not they had names for us. Then, in the midst of all this, WvW Tournament Season 1 came about. At the start, it was assumed that JQ would win, given that they had the best seed. But while we at SoR decided to just fight like usual and kitten about it on the forums, BG took action, and by action, I mean they bought a kitten of big WvW guilds from other servers, including a massive Russian guild. They wiped the floor with us and had us eat off of it. I want to take a moment to reiterate, before I go further, that there are dickbags in every server, and that there are lots of nice people in BG. Those in BG that did bad things are not representative of BG as a whole. It was at this tourney that SoR died. One of the biggest things was that our server-wide teamspeak got DDOSed, a lot. It was also noticed that our teamspeak, without exception during this tourney, got DDOSed if-and-only-if we were facing BG that week. Tensions grew. "They're a bunch of hackers and cheaters." the TS got moved from its public ts that everyone knew of, to a secret one which was given only to wvw guild leaders. It also didn't help that BG had made several guild purchases for the tourney; we said they'd "raided Mommy's wallet", and added to their name list monikers such as "BuyGate" and "BribeGate". As the tournament came to a close, SoR fell in status, WvW guilds transferred out, having tasted T1 and not wishing to leave. As a result, SoR fell further, and the loop continued until SoR hit its current spot. My guild was one of the guilds that left. We came to TC, our old enemies friends, the next guild moving up in the ranks. We only did so after TW, the server's flagship guild, abandoned ship. This fractured the guild immeasurably; only about half transferred. I almost didn't; I almost stayed in SoR, but my relative in the guild offered me the gold needed to transfer. Because we were split between worlds, it was much harder to get those who played less into groups. The guild died. Some moved to other games. Those that stayed found other guilds, including myself. SoR as a whole suffered a similar split- those who left got split mostly into JQ and TC. Few, if any, went to BG. There was far too much bad blood. BG, of course, lauded themselves on victory, and in the weeks leading up to season 2, boasted to JQ and TC of how badly they would wreck us, like they did season 1. This was a mistake on their part, for three reasons. -Reason 1: TC and JQ now had many guilds from SoR, expatriots of their home server, due to events for which they blamed BG. Exiled from their home soil, they were out for blood. -Reason 2: Most of the rest of JQ had been in the server for Season 1. They'd expected an easy win, and were none too pleased with BG's antics either. -Reason 3: This is the biggest reason of all. BG, in all their "Beast Gate" chest beating, forgot that they were taunting TC. They pissed off a Role-Play server. Never kitten off a Role-Play server. Thus began the farce that is known as the Season 2 2v1, or as I like to call it, the reaming of BG. In a hastily contrived plot, JQ and TC agreed to focus fire on BG, trading wins week-by-week, so that by week 7, BG could not win. We'd then duke it out for 1st on the final week. BG didn't like this, and took to the forums to demand Anet's divine intervention. They didn't get it. We added "BlubGate" and "CryGate" to their name list. It's worth noting that by now, Anet had locked the WvW matchup forum category, forcing discussion to move to an unmoderated third party forum. It began unmoderated, at least. The 2v1 resulted in one of the biggest flame wars I've ever seen. Several players laughed, saying BG got what they deserved. Several BG said they never deserved anything like this. Several non-BG painted a picture of the 2v1 as a Jihad against the unrighteous. Several BG compared the other servers to an evil empire. There were several reaction pictures posted, of laughter, and of rage. Moderation finally got introduced when someone attached a massive picture of a kitten to his post, for the world to see. JQ won in the end. TC came second, and BG got third. After it became clear that TC couldn't win, we almost managed to sway public opinion towards letting SoS beat us in the matchup, to put BG in fourth, but alas, nothing came of it.TC solidified its identity as the new third T1 player, and BG got kitten. All was right in the world. And yet, not all was right. In the end, winning isn't much of a victory. I don't play WvW much anymore. It's not the same- no one from my old guild is on anymore. If I run, I run with strangers in mumble. TC is a welcoming and rich community, but I must confess it's not as good as it was. I miss SoR; I miss what it was. I miss having good fights with opponents we respected. I miss doing raids on a keep, with the whole giant group all in the guild. I miss the people ion the group being there to have fun, not to win. Sometimes, when I run in wvw, with a particularly friendly commander in mumble, just for a moment, I feel like I'm back there. But then the moment passes. TL;DR: Tier1 is full of drama, someone please come up and knock us down to T2." **Why is it that the whole of the GW2 playerbase is punished for the actions of a few alliances of guilds who have stacked servers since the game's launch? You know what the worst part of all this is Arenanet? Now you're just going to give them all the tools they need to do it forever with these new "megaserver alliances."** Let me give you some proof of this with some videos and reddit posts by these people. Does anyone remember the Titan Alliance who stacked servers at the beginning of the game? Sanctum of Rall was stacked by Indo (Tempest Wolves): Blackgate was stacked by Malevolent (OnSlaught): **They have even made blatant statements about what their intentions were to do below:** [–]MaLeVoLenT_OnS 2 points 2 years ago "I heard about this Weeks before HoT even had a release date. Arena Net wasn't kidding they've been working on this for years. I even hinted at this multiple times and i told various commanders and leaders. The information was provided to me by Arena Net hired beta testers and streamers. The same folk who provided me with this intel are the same folk who warned me if a season was coming or a certain patch. The information is legit the only thing thats not is the fact that they've been working on this for a year + so what we have as a leak could be vastly outdated. When TW, OnS, WHOA, TS, EK, kitten, LUN formed "The Mad Court Alliance" we also knew about this. We also didn't like how the Tiers rotate and we wanted to break it. We wanted to play with who we wanted and fight who we wanted. We didn't want the stagnant pace of WvW and we believe that GW2 WvW community is a global community and friends and guilds are what builds communities not the server you are currently on. So yes "The Tier destroyer alliance" is real and the list of guilds within will probably keep the alliance going(hoping its just not 3 guilds)." **Malevolent was removed as server leader of BlackGate because he along with these guilds started cross-server representing. He wanted revenge on BlackGate even though he made it into what it is himself. The hypocrisy of some of the people in this world...He's finally won and destroyed Blackgate now.** https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/26547/world-restructuring#latest **Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.**

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